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| the real ashu |
Posted
on 24-Jul-01 04:10 AM
Suman Pradhan wrote:
They are journalists of unquestionable integrity with whom I have had the opportunity to work closely over the years. It is outrageous to level such charges against them without backing it up.
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Suman-ji,
With all due respect, those journalists may well be of "unquestionable integrity", and that unsubstantiated
"charges against them" may well be "outrageous", as you
say.
Fine.
But let's look at it from the EXPERIENCE of visitors
(Diwas K et al) to this Web site .
These GBNC Web site visitors know for a fact that even when
they did bring backed-up instances of, say, plagiarism to
your and your colleagues' attention months ago, they still
have NO idea what actions, if any, have been taken against
the offenders.
So far, no formal statement of any kind has come from the Kathmandu Post, and the whole thing seems to have been
quietly brushed aside.
When visitors see this kind of behaviour once or twice from
a business like yours whose currency is PUBLIC TRUST to begin
with, then, they can hardly be faulted for being dismissively cynical about any lofty claims of "unquestionable integrity" about ANY of your colleagues anywhere within the Kantipur Publication.
Look, because I know you personally, I am not doubting your
integrity.
But I wonder why you'd want to put your good name at risk
when, as evidence clearly says, you can't seem to do much publicly against plagiarists amidst you on one hand, yet you
feel the need to rise up to a public defense of your
colleagues' real and imaginary sins.
I am sure you realize that your stance sounds contradictory
to even supporters like me.
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Suman Pradhan wrote:
By the way, kantipuronline, kantipur and kathmandu post may all belong to the same publishing group, but they are in no way run by the same editors. They have separate editorial teams, and work independent of each othe.
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Again, please see it from the eyes of us customers: As
customers, we don't care and we don't need to know whether
there are "separate editorial teams" or one editorial team.
The umbrella called Kantipur Publications is responsible
for anything that goes on in any of its media outlets,
regardless of editors and reporters.
oohi
ashu
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| Sngi |
Posted
on 24-Jul-01 08:46 AM
HI real AShu dai,
I agree with you in total.
>These GBNC Web site visitors know for a fact
>that even when
>they did bring backed-up instances of, say,
>plagiarism to
>your and your colleagues' attention months
>ago, they still
>have NO idea what actions, if any, have been
>taken against
>the offenders.
>
>So far, no formal statement of any kind has
>come from the Kathmandu Post, and the whole
>thing seems to have been
>quietly brushed aside.
>
>When visitors see this kind of behaviour
>once or twice from
>a business like yours whose currency is
>PUBLIC TRUST to begin
>with, then, they can hardly be faulted for
>being dismissively cynical about any lofty
>claims of "unquestionable integrity" about
>ANY of your colleagues anywhere within the
>Kantipur Publication.
>
>Look, because I know you personally, I am
>not doubting your
>integrity.
>
>But I wonder why you'd want to put your good
>name at risk
>when, as evidence clearly says, you can't
>seem to do much publicly against plagiarists
>amidst you on one hand, yet you
>feel the need to rise up to a public defense
>of your
>colleagues' real and imaginary sins.
Sumanji, you should follow the advice of the real Ashu.
You better not lie in public about what you possibly can not do against the powerful Gurubacharya of the Kantipur publication and take back your words of "doing something". BTW do you intend to become a politician?
I will still read your writings, though.
S.
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| suman pradhan |
Posted
on 24-Jul-01 09:14 AM
Dear Ashu and Sngi,
You have raised two questions - whether any action was taken or not against the plagiarist and, as you said, who cares whether any various newspapers and other media have separate editorial teams.
The answer to the first is, yes action has been taken. If you remember my postings during the plagiaris debates on this website, I said we are investigating the affair and would do something about it. Though at the time, I did also mention that The Kathmandu Post reserves the right whether or not make the action public. The Post has decided not make the action public. Period.
It was a grave offense and the reporter admitted as such. But we editors were also at fault in that case since never in our eight year history have we educated our reporters/editors about the sins of plagiarism (admittedly a big failing on our part.) After that case though, we have made it a point to educate all our staff what plagiarism is and how the paper intends to deal with it in the future.
As for your other question, I am surprised this should come from you Ashu. You are among the very few on this site who understands how how the media business operates in general and Kantipur Publications functions in particular. And still...
As a staff of The Kathmandu Post, I see no reason why ignorant readers should lump Kantipur and Post together, which was done by GP ji and others. What do we care what Kantipur journalists stand for. We are only concerned about what we stand for. The publications of course should stand for all its media properties and I think the publications executives should be the ones replying to your assertions and not me.
But taking your argument a notch further, I would like to ask, should the New York Times be held responsible for content published by the Boston Globe? They belong to the same New York Times Company (which is separate from the paper). Just as well, what should the Washington Post do if some objections are raised over the content of Newsweek. Again, they are both held by the same company - the Washington Post Company. I think the individual papers and the holding companies should be held responsinble, and not the Times for the Globe's content or the Washington Post newspaper for Newsweek. Don't you think so?
And this to Sngi: No, I don't intend to become a politician. This is the best job in the world. Why would I want to change? But a peice of advice, if you want to criticise others, pls use your real identity.
cheers
suman
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| Puskar |
Posted
on 24-Jul-01 09:45 AM
Regarding who should be responsible for publishing a particular content...
1. The editorial team has the primary responsibility. They are the ones who should know (from the standpoint of both editors and publisher) what should and should not be published, and what is inappropriate for the audience.
2. The author of the content holds the secondary responsibility.
3. The publishers have the ultimate responsibility.
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| sngi |
Posted
on 24-Jul-01 09:58 AM
>The answer to the first is, yes action has
>been taken. If you remember my postings
>during the plagiaris debates on this website,
> I said we are investigating the affair and
>would do something about it. Though at the
>time, I did also mention that The Kathmandu
>Post reserves the right whether or not make
>the action public. The Post has decided not
>make the action public. Period.
Yaeh yeah. You have taken action. How do we know? The plagarist is so powerful in the house, that's why the post did not want to make the action public, right?
Je bhanidiye pani ta bha' cha ni! Hoina?
You better be quiet in this issue or admitt your inabilty to do something against your powerful collegues without risking your position in TKP. Else, you will keep on loosing your credibilty more.
>And this to Sngi: No, I don't intend to
>become a politician. This is the best job in
>the world. Why would I want to change? But a
>peice of advice, if you want to criticise
>others, pls use your real identity.
This should not have irritated you so much. You are not doing your job properly in this issue. Please listen to real Ashu dai.
Well here the question is about the content/issue, the real identity is secondary. You don't need to advice me! Will I listen to you? NO.
Suppose, I listened, and I reveal that my name is Ram BDR. Does that satisfy you? The nature of the website is such that I can disguise with what ever name I choose. So concentrate on the issue that Ashu dai has raised once again, not on the identity. In the time of freedom to choose one's own sex, race, origin etc. etc. Why can't I enjoy this little freedom of choosing my own name? Do you want to take action against me like that to plagarist? Go ahead.
I will still read your articles,though.
S.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 24-Jul-01 05:01 PM
>It was a grave offense and the reporter admitted as such. But we
>editors were also at fault in that case since never in our eight
>year history have we educated our reporters/editors about the
>sins of plagiarism (admittedly a big failing on our part.) After
>that case though, we have made it a point to educate all our
>staff what plagiarism is and how the paper intends to deal with
>it in the future.
Dear Sumanji:
It is a welcome development that your colleagues are now having a
lesson on plagiarism.
What I don't understand is what is wrong in publicizing the action
taken? Now, in this website, people publicly said,"Hey,dude, you
are a fake writer!" and they even sent emails to you. We know
'publicly' about the charge, so what is wrong in respondingly
'publicly'what was the response?
Publicizing such action can only serve your paper, and teach
others a lesson. Let people know that they can't fool TKP and
its readers with impunity.
It is in deed welcome that TKP editors also feel that they are
also at fault for not teaching their editors the lesson on ethics.
I wish all such 'remorse' and 'action' had been published in the
same venerable paper. I don't think that would be some 'demeaning'
experience.
I think it is sad that whenever there is a chance for people to
show their integrity and their resolute service for society, they
all appear vulnerable to other extraneous elements (cronyism,?,to
be straight).
I don't remember reading his 'opinion' in TKP any more, so I think
he is probably black-listed for a moment.(I haven't
searched,though, and I think his reporting are still from AFP.)
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| diwas k |
Posted
on 24-Jul-01 08:01 PM
Suman ji,
When did this "admitting as such" take place?
>
>It was a grave offense and the reporter
>admitted as such.
>As a staff of The Kathmandu Post, I see no
>reason why ignorant readers should lump
The readers are, as you put, ignorant, because you are too busy taking care of business in-house (your right!!!). The readers spotted plagiarism and identified plagiarists, but you chose to hide behind corporate curtain. Makes me wonder which side ignorance lies.
>But taking your argument a notch further, I
>would like to ask, should the New York Times
>be held responsible for content published by
>the Boston Globe? They belong to the same
>New York Times Company (which is separate
>from the paper).
Boston Globe has demonstrated it can handle situations of plagiarism. And it was done publicly. CAN YOU DO THAT? Else the analogy is irrelevant.
Diwas K
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| GP |
Posted
on 24-Jul-01 08:13 PM
"As a staff of The Kathmandu Post, I see no reason why ignorant readers should lump Kantipur and Post together, which was done by GP ji and others. What do we care what Kantipur journalists stand for. We are only concerned about what we stand for. The publications of course should stand for all its media properties and I think the publications executives should be the ones replying to your assertions and not me". Suman wrote.
Suman ji,
I don't mind you call me ignorant reader, but, I will
call your whole set of editorial board ignorant editorial
board with less feeling and practice of ethics, less
responsibility on LIABILITY issues.
To be true, let me tell you that, I am also one of the
Editor of a journal in my field that is published monthly.
Being part of the Editorial Board, I can see the responsibility
of each individual editors, and the responsibility finally
goes up and reaches to the head of the organization that
owns the issue. So, I can see how they care for each word
their readers say or make on thier site or via telephone
or fax or email or in personal talks. The
Kantipur Publication (Kantipur or TKP) and the journal
(which has circulation 50,000 copies in each issue) that
I work, have one big difference and that is on LIABILITY.
Kantipur Pub (including its editorial and writers) do not
have any responsibility over LIABILITY for any damages
whether public characters or privacy issues. The quality
of a journal or publication lies on its responsibility over
LIABILITY issues. Kantipur Publication (Kantipur and TKP)
publishes news that has no facts all based on Telephone
conversations or writer thinks on his own imagination, one
example is a news on Dipendra "... why should not we believe
on Dipendra as killer...", where no verifiable names are
given. Such news are daily in Kantipur and TKP. You can read
whole article "... based on very reliable sources ... ".
Why Editors do not ask its writers to give names at least
a few, and if they can not produce a few, that means for me
its based on rumors. In order to keep reporters active
with TKP or Kantipur, they just try to produce articles
more sensasional , like the Hritik case. First thing,
Kantipur Publication should learn is the LIABILITY.
Don't publish articles that can not be verifiable by
independent sources, later proved as fake news. It repeated
in the case of ARMY sorrounding Maoists too. Kantipur
Publication (Kantipur dialy and TKP) both are based on mostly
telephone conversations and reporting has no facts at final
stage.
Finally, I suggest you to have one small group of editors
who listens to readers' feedback and analyze as an independent
citizen on past issues of TKP and report it to editorial
board may be once a month. At least it will improve the
quality of some dedicated writers, editors what they were
missing unknowningly. Well, if you have such groups already
and still quality remains same, I will not surprised to cite
on quote "A man is really sleeping, can be woke up in one
push or call, but, a man if pretending to be slept, can never
be made to woke up. Probably we will need to BALTI BHARI
pani BHARER tyasta ko SARIRA MATHI GHOPTYANU PARCHA."
GBNC discussion forum may serve this purpose.
I strongly feel a INDEPENDENT MONITORER IN NEPALI MASS
MEDIA. Its very essential so that peoples can get rid
of RUMOR based SENSASIONAL news and GHATIYA ARTICLES.
Sumanji, I don't mind or care even if you or your
TKP tries to assissnate me via TKP as it tried on
Deuba or Gorkha Patra tried on RC Poudel. I am not going
to stop making comments on your TKP whenever I find
its news are either GHATIYA or based on rumors.
Personal Regards.
GP
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| Deuba |
Posted
on 24-Jul-01 09:11 PM
TKP tried to kill me?
You got to be kidding, GPji. Please back up your claims.
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| tired of GP |
Posted
on 24-Jul-01 10:56 PM
hey GPji:
keep your arguments short and concise. Learn from Ashu Dai. You bore me to death.
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| GP |
Posted
on 25-Jul-01 01:08 AM
Bro.,
Are you asking me to copy how Ashu is doing?
Ashu is already tired of too many copy Ashu(s),
hopfully, he will not like me to be another
Ashu to make him tired of too many fake Ashu(s).
Let me try to be short, but .. . . . . .
Life is long like Marathooooooon, we need stamina.
Have a Kitkat, have a break --- Nakayama Emiri,
the Jap. CM Girl said. Let me have a break
because of next para... (read next para)
BTW, Today was very long day for me due to the
SirCam Virus, that infected my computer. Just
don't get panic if you got any email from my
computer. I got it from a Nepali who wanted
an advice from me .. . . . . (the file with
PIF extension). e.g. abcd.doc.PIF
Life is really like Marathoooooooooooooooon.
Thanks for your advice.
GP
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