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| WkW |
Posted
on 19-Feb-04 06:39 PM
Two postings on kantipuronline.com caught my sight.
First one being "Security forces gun down 3 innocents"
At the bottom the news states that "member of the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) Kapil Shrestha, president of Nepal Human Rights Organisation of Nepal Sudeep Pathak and president of Nepal Bar Association Shambhu Thapa, who were present at Jugedi, condemned the security forces for killing the innocents without any verification."
The second posting stated "Maoists indoctrinate 13 girls"
According to it "Maoist armed militants have forced thirteen abducted girls to join women rebels' battalion in Achham district... ". The news mentions nothing about human rights.
My questions:-
Dont the 13 abducted girls have thier rights? And wont these human rights organizations fight for giving these girls their rights?
Are the human rights associations going to condemn the security forces only or are they going to condemn the maoists too who abducted those girls?
What results are found of the actions taken by the human rights people both from the Government as well as Maoist sides?
Please do reply
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| WkW |
Posted
on 20-Feb-04 02:31 PM
No comments or what?
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| jacko |
Posted
on 20-Feb-04 02:47 PM
These articles are no different from many that have been written in the past 10 years. The news articles are so void of details and the essentails of story telling reading it is just depressing. It seems to me that those reporting are either not geeting the full story first hand or they are doing it to meet their daily quotas. I am sure I am not the only one sick of the monotonousness of the news articles coming from Nepal.
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| thaag |
Posted
on 20-Feb-04 04:59 PM
You have to be alive to criticize. If they criticize Maoshits, do you think they will be alive??
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| _sage |
Posted
on 21-Feb-04 04:51 PM
I feel that the NHRC people all detest the human rights violations by both the government and the Maoists, equally. But their main ability to deter HR violations is in relation to the government. The government is the side of the conflict who has a greater burden to respect the rights of the noncombatants. It may not seem fair, but the government has to do all they can to prevent HR violations, or else it loses more and more legitimacy.
The Maoists just the same should respect human rights, but they are the ones who started this war, technically, and they present themselves as more ruthless on purspose, to be able to intimidate people into joiing and supporting them.
But the government, anyway, has killed about 3/4 of the people who have died.
Imagine if you live in a village and people come to the door dressed like Maoists so you give a lal salaam and then they beat you, it turns out they were security forces.
Or imagine the opposite, if you heard people calling out "Where are the Maoists?" and you say "they went that way!" and then they beat you senseless and it turns out they were the Maoists seeing if you would inform where they are to the police.
Either way, you lose if you are a common person in a village just cooking dal bhat dido sagh and trying to live your life, listening to radio nepal on your little transistor radio, with your little boy and girl reading by kerosene lamp for their next school day, even though they are too dar lagyo to go to school anymore because the Maoists came to the school in the next village and the army shot three students there who they were friends.
The NHRC is doing a good job for their position.
The government doesn't give them enough funding and the courts do not listen to their requests for injunctions. They only keep the NHRC for appearances. But the members are trying to do good work. Listen to Sushil Pyakurel or read something by Dr Bipin Adhikari. They are good people. They want peace and human rights from both sides. They are also concerned about human rights live freedom from poverty and freedom from abuse and discrimination (for women, dalits, low-caste, non-Bahun) and for the whole nation of Nepal in the world system.
But the government created a parallel human rights council to do their own bidding and they funded them at a higher level than the NHRC. Because the NHRC was becoming too vocal. But please remember, the NHRC condemns abuses by the Maoists equally with abuses by HMGN. Please read their reports on their website. Google search to NHRC Nepal.
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| M.P. |
Posted
on 21-Feb-04 07:30 PM
"Distance gives perspective", wrote a columnist at Nepali Times about a year ago if I am not wrong. But, let's try putting ourselves in the shoes of the security forces, politicians, the King, the government, the Maoists, and the human right activists--posting online from a place miles and miles away, we could be missing some important stuff going on at ground zero!
Personally, I think it should have been the king, the political parties and the maoists who should have feared each other well, from the very beginning. RNA was first dragged into the equation, and now, as it seems, it is perpetuating itself its existence in the equation.
The human right activitists should have been left alone. But when the whole state mechanism is geared towards gaining credibility, mostly by concealing information, I see no point in cursing the ground-level bhare bhure sipahi and hawaldaars. The problem lies in Kathmandu--mainly in Narayanhity and Simha Durbar and the poor New road that witnesses rallies almost everyday after four. Do not misunderstand me, but the solution to the Maoist problem also, I think, lies in Kathmandu. No matter how long Gyanendra Maharaj spent, or spends in the future, in rural Nepal "understanding" the agonies of the poor, it is best if he realized that the solution lies in the place his ancestors declared the capital long ago!
My 25 paisa.
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| WkW |
Posted
on 21-Feb-04 08:32 PM
After getting the taste of easy money by just going and looting banks and free food and shelter by going to a house in a remote village where two meals a day comes only in times of festivals.
Do you actually think that you can change the lifestyle of the people who are so called the maoists who almost have forgotten the words "work, earn and live" ?
Even if the problems get solved in the capital, do you think that it will be so motivating that it will enable all the rebels to lay down their guns and live the same tough life as a farmer, blacksmith, carpenter or any other profession?
The status of this problem has been so controvertial that it has brought a conflict in the bringing security to the people. It has come to a extent of nearly impossible to stop.
In order to stop this problem it will take more than the agreement or the communique they sign in the capital.
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| Rastafariya |
Posted
on 21-Feb-04 09:21 PM
Birader WkW I is totally agree with you. You is talk so truth that I is really unnerstand what you is means by that.
See that is what them happened with them Democracy. Them peopal was fine before ruling I and I thrugh him Avataar of Vishnu. But I guess it was not them enougf for them peopal so them tell I and I that them we is needs to gets them Democracy. We is say okkey and start them revolusion for Democracy. We is get them good good Democracy and them peopal become them ministers.
But just like you is say that them was used to not working and just ruling and making them laws for I and I even though it was thru him Lord Vishnu.
Now them put themselves in them position which needed work and not only putting money in them own pockets. Now them complicasion arise. Because all him brothers wants to do them same things. Now them complicasion for each other.
Now this brother wants it different. Now this brother says that them Maoist is them bestest thing and now him messed up da whole thing.
Now him Lord Vishnu is come too. Now it very bad bad for them peopal who bring them Democracy and did not work for them peopal that elecsion him .
It them all messed up now birader WkW
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 21-Feb-04 10:02 PM
WkW,
The basic premise of your posting, that somehow Maoists are living a posh life without having to work, is faulty. Now, I agree they are criminals,they extort money from people, they looted the banks, but to say that they are living a cushy life is just an illusory proposition indicating how little you know about privation of rebel life.
Let me put it this way: before Saddam Hussain was caught in his ugly beards/moustaches, the man who was equally famous fugitive and caught by CIA and was televised all over the world in equally ugly beards was Che Guevara. Even for Che, a guerrilla of the Himalayan stature, there were not sufficient food. Even for Saddam, there were only a few low grade foods and couple of underwears, notwithstanding his millions of dollars.
I have seen the Maoists. They sleep in cowpens, jungle, under the fear that someone might mow all them down before the next dawn. They threaten villagers to give them food so they know villagers are not their friends from their heart. They go to bank to loot money, but what money? Except in early cases, they haven't looted more than a million rupees in any robbery as far as I have noted. A boy from Sindhupalchouk who went to work for the Maoists and is now a supervisor in an engineering project that one of my classmates is running told me his experiences as rebel and that didn't look like something comparable to my experience as a poor, meagerly provided college boy in people's republic of China.
We can debate the merit of MP's proposition and that's perfectly legitimate. But not on faulty assumptions. I think some Maoists will lay down their arm and happily return to their home. So many of them are teenagers who after somedays tends to have the nostalgia for the warm bed and careless life under their adoring parents. Some are likely to be more hardcore, and fight until their last breath. But the solution of this problem will lie on making more people lie down their arm, rather than making us sidhaasaadhaa Nepali live above the stacks of corpses of presumed Maoists and ordinary soldiers.
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| confused |
Posted
on 21-Feb-04 10:32 PM
"Maoist armed militants have forced thirteen abducted girls to join women rebels' battalion in Achham district... ".
WKW bro .. i dont know how much the information you provided is correct...but i think Moist have not rapped and thrashed women around...like police..
anyway..Human Rights?? i think in Nepal many NGO and INGOS have been working for WOmens rights and havee been seen successful...many people and INGO's lai maitighar have done great things..Nepal is already suffocated by "CHELIBETI BEKHHBIKHAN" and has suffered immense on that..so i dont think these NGOS or INGOS have done all they can...WOmen rights movement in Nepal is very strong and active..and even in Maobadi's side..they have great Women activist ...
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| confused |
Posted
on 21-Feb-04 10:36 PM
yaah i just would like to know some opinions too.. what are your views on women trafficking in nepal?? would like to hear some opinions
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| WkW |
Posted
on 23-Feb-04 06:53 AM
Confused bro I got this information from kantipuronline.com from the postings dated 02-19-04. I have read some of the articles as well as seen interviews of women Maoist militants. What they stated in them was that they were repeatedly raped time after time.
A mistake committed by a few make the whole group look bad. Like the bunch of Muslim people who attacked the WTC made the Muslims all over the world key suspect for terrorist act as well as made them look bad. In the same way due to the irresponsible acts of few policemen it’s changing the perspective of the people towards the whole police department. So we really can’t blame the police as a whole in raping and thrashing girls. We can’t say that the whole system of police is infested due to the acts of a few.
When it comes to girl trafficking I get the shrills down my spine just thinking of the girls who have been entangled in this spider's web. It is a pity to hear that the people who are conducting these activities are mostly Nepali men and women who deliberately fool the innocent girls and take them to the markets of Bombay to be sold as if they were mere livestock. Most of them are in their mid teens. Feeding in the good dreams of a luxurious life and great standards they easily convince the parents of the girl to get into the thinking that they are handing over their daughters in good hands. Whose parents don’t think of the well being of their child? In some instances it’s the family members are the ones who push these girls into the pit of misery.
Yes indeed NGO's and Ingo’s like Maiti Nepal have proceeded and have achieved a lot in stopping the girls and making people aware of these traffickers. Even though traffickers still manage to slip off and the business is still going on.
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| confused |
Posted
on 23-Feb-04 01:43 PM
True WKW...Women trafficking is one of the most disturbing bussiness..yes and in many cases parnets are also very much involved in this bussiness..selling out their daughters..this is very pathetic and disturbing..and NEpal and other South Asian countries its still at large of women trafficking..and United Nations has also done a great deal to help out....hope one day we can completly wipe out this crime from the face of earth...
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| hansy420 |
Posted
on 23-Feb-04 02:02 PM
to make long story short....nope!
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