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| sense | Posted
on 22-Feb-04 04:42 AM
What is the true definition of nature? Nobody knows coz human mind is what it sees around it , as a matter of fact everybody has its way of executing different functions, so I dont believe nature can be bound in one or more single sentence structures. Now, why is there a big discussion going in streets over homosexuals, cause they r not as what normal human beings r? but is it good to restrict or disgust others feelings just because they r not the way u r? There is no point on disgusting people with the words such as gays or lesbos coz that is their identity their own nature...so why dont we let live the people the way they wanna live.... lets not frown on what we have is what they dont have coz it may be like what they have is what we dont have. |
| SITARA | Posted
on 22-Feb-04 07:34 AM
....normally! |
| meERA | Posted
on 22-Feb-04 08:53 PM
normally, of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| acharya | Posted
on 22-Feb-04 08:57 PM
Normally, of course!! :) |
| tabasco | Posted
on 22-Feb-04 09:16 PM
.normally?? it wudn't have been so big deal if only they had stuck to their basic ..being NORMAL ofcourse i am conservative. :\ |
| meERA | Posted
on 22-Feb-04 09:39 PM
What exactly is the definiton of "Normal"? |
| mahakaal | Posted
on 22-Feb-04 09:47 PM
homosexuals .........shitty .them all should be lined up in the streeet and shot one by one.right in their temple.dunno what science says or what studies say but its against the basic rules hence them should be shot if not i read about people having sex with animals and being charged of that ......well that tooo should be considered normal like freaking gays |
| The_gentleman | Posted
on 22-Feb-04 10:07 PM
totally depends on how he/ she( the subject in concern) covets. to say normal is as much as to be bias to their normalcy and to insinuate a beam of pertness. peace |
| chinausbusiness | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 12:50 AM
some of the posting reminds me of American Beauty! |
| sense | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 05:44 AM
yeah guys...if we critically look at the word normal is their any defination over it? isnt it just like the word nature. Thanks meEra for reminding |
| lll_lll | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 07:49 AM
Thumbs up to the_Gentleman. I hear you bro.. |
| jacko | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 08:38 AM
Has any one see the move "the next best thing"? The world has become such that there is no need for traditional marriage anymore. Marriage is mostly matter of convenience. After the first test tube baby and since WWII, women in most developed countries can have babies without being dependent on a man. With the invention of test tube babies the dependency between man and women has been severed. (Note: There is no reason for men to loose self-confidence and decry homosexuality for this matter). Choosing one’s partner is not longer matter of security and procreation, but is matter of freedom. Homosexuality is a natural show of expression and acknowledgement of beauty. Those, that came out of hiding this week in California deserver to fully express their choice. Their discrimination should no longer be tolerated. They deserve full state rights granted to married straight people. Any perverts that the discriminate based on others sexual orientation and choices do not deserve the freedom they have. They ought to recognize that world through technological advancement has eliminated the need for traditional marriage all together, and as a result the world has become a better place. Opponents of freedom & their backward mentality should look into actually justifying their own self-loathing, the reason for their discriminating existence. |
| jacko | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 08:44 AM
Normal?? Evolution by its very nature guarantees variation. There is no normal in any biological and environmental sence. Everyone is differnet and their uniqness is what fules life. |
| meERA | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 09:00 AM
Jacko you said it all!!!!!!! I could never have defined it better. So I know this friend who was like, who was alike why do people become gays, as long as there are plenty of girls around, I just don't understand!!!! He does NOT understand and never will. Homosexuality is a matter of choice and not forced. They do not become homosexual because they do not get girls. What a dumb way to think. Moreover, homosexuals DO NOT hate girls. People need to understand that. I have tons of homosexuals friends and knows tons more, and believe me when I say they LIKE girls. Just because they do not have sexual relationship with the famale population do not mean that they hate girls. In fact a study showed that some (not all) homosexuals are born that way, did you hear that Stevie?????? I forgot the source from where I this piece of information, but its reliable, hell ya!!!!! Girls/female hater are not normal, but then again the definition of normalcy varies. Go homosexuals, its your world too and booooooooooooo to all those that go against you all!!!!!!!!! PS: I seem to be addressing only the guys when I say homosexuals, the same applies to the female homosexuals too! |
| jacko | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 09:18 AM
Another note worthy movie that comes to mind thinking about this subject is "FIRE", by indian Director Deepa Mehta. |
| SITARA | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 09:20 AM
Here, my definition of "Normal" translates into how every human being likes to be treated, WITH RESPECT! |
| czar | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 11:00 AM
Such incredible public scrutiny, in all media, of the most intimate and private of preferences. Makes me wonder: Are we humans so impoverished of qualities that we’re led to view one another primarily by sexual orientation? Have we no finer abilities and aspirations that transcend the loins? Is our species so bereft of achievements? How ironic the strenuous labours of the parsimonious to impose their bigotry on others while failing to act upon the greater need: compassion and humanity. |
| dazzling ko keti | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 12:07 PM
There is nothing RIGHT or WRONG about being GAY. That is just the way he/she is. For the most part, its a biological and in some cases a psychological disorder and could amount to something beyond one's control. With a society, which tends to point fingers at anyone/anything that is even slightly unconventional, I can only empathize with their situation. Homosexuality has been a part of human society since the time of the Romans. It is believed emperors like Caeser were not ill-acquainted with this concept. Another factor, which has promoted this general aversion towards gays/lesbians is the traditional christian concept, where God made Man and Woman. Not Adam and Andrew. Not Eve and Eva---but Adam and Eve. Therefore, we have been ingrained with this notion that marriage or attraction for another individual should strictly be confined within these parameters. That to most of us is, what we consider "Mainstream" and "Natural". But as we progress into more liberal societal structures, where the lines between religion and religious ethics start to blurr, issues which were formerly swept under the carpet are beginning to emerge. As in everything else, humans are more receptive to the "known" as opposed to the "unkown". Since gays and lesbains have decided to come out of the closet, this brand new twist is knocking the doors of mainstream concepts/ideas with an unexpected imapct. Sure it will take sometime, maybe even a very long time, for the dust to settle down and everybody to adopt new ideas. Nevertheless, its not an unattainable reality---A reality both "YOU"and "I" have a significant hand in reshaping. |
| dazzling ko keti | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 12:14 PM
O and here is a link which could help build your flexibility. Hopefully the link works as a clickable one, :) [url]http://hem.passagen.se/nicb/homo.htm[/url] |
| le chef du nuit | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 01:32 PM
heres a joke for yall Q: in a fire, why are the gay guys the first out of the building? A: coz they already have their shit packed seriously tho, i used to be quite intolerant of gays, coz i thought, like so many people do, that homosexual behaviour was 'not natural' however, one Dashain ko astami, i was at sankhu, holding on to the boka that we were about to sacrifice when the randy little bugger decided to mount the boka in front of it, and started to hump away. needless to say, since then i have quite changed my views |
| sense | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 01:37 PM
thanks for ur opinions guys....u got a good concept Dazziling ko keti but can u be more specific on what u mean by psychological disorder in this paragraph....... For the most part, its a biological and in some cases a psychological disorder and could amount to something beyond one's control. With a society, which tends to point fingers at anyone/anything that is even slightly unconventional, I can only empathize with their situation. I just wanted to inject a little bit out of track point ...dont u guys think Hinduism is a bit liberal on this matter, coz we have seen a lot of sculptures on temples showing the act of love making by the people of same sex...Please correct me if I am wrong? |
| dazzling ko keti | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 02:07 PM
Well, there are some peopl who are sexually molested when they are very young. As a result, they completely switch off their attraction for the opposite sex. Ofcourse, this is just a handful of people we're talking about. Nevertheless, sexual abuses at a tender age does in some cases, trigger this behavior. I hope that makes some sense to you, SENSE :) |
| u_day | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 02:41 PM
As far as I know, the word 'normal' is derived from word - nORM. norm can be anything that is usual, accepted and respected in that society. Things that are normal in one society/culture might be normal for another culture. like: eating beef, it's normal to eat beef in this society whereas, it's not in hindu culture. So, basically you can't just say what is normal and what is not. As Cheetara ji mentioned earlier, >> "Normal" translates into how every human being likes to be treated, WITH RESPECT! what is respected in the society/culture is normal. Are we afraid that we might not be considered nORMAL in a homosexual society of tomorrow if we let them live with respect today???? Is that what holding us from accepting them people with difference sexual preference??? As for mahakal and lll_lll, Why just shoot homosexuzls only? How about killing all the ignorant people who cannot read or write??? better yet, how about the people with a specific race or ethnicity?? people like you make me sick.... |
| u_day | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 02:44 PM
Talking about normal, I just remembered a controversial AD the appeared in New York Times couple of months ago. The Ad showed Mayor Bloomberg holding a blunt and saying," It is NORMaL@ to smoke weed" |
| u_day | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 03:02 PM
Thanks for your views dazzling_ko_keti. >> There is nothing RIGHT or WRONG about being GAY. That is just the way he/she is. But, before deciding if being GAY is RIGHT or WRONG shouldn't we be asking if it is RIGHT to be sexually attractive to another person (i.e., same sex or opposite sex). I think sexual preference is decided by nature but nurture and thw environement that surrounds the persons motivates or supresses that orientation. Dazzling_ko_keti, I have another hypothesis about sexual molestation. I believe girls/women who were molested in their childhood do not have developed certain part of body. I just came up with that theory from my personal experience and observation. Do you know if that theory has been proven or has there been any research done in that ???? |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 03:17 PM
Homosexuality is a DISEASE. It is either 1) genetic or 2) a state of mind. There might be some other reasons as to why someone is a homosexual, but these are the only two that I can think of at the moment. In any case, a certain someone is a homosexual because of either of the two abnormalities I mentioned previously. As simple as that! Come to think of it, it can also be a cultural practice, like homosexuality among the Spartans and also among today's Pasthun society. However, for the sane world, this is not normal behavior. Some people like to defend homosexuality as natural because it can also be found among animals. BUT THE FACT IS IT IS NOT A NORMAL BEHAVIOR FOR ANIMALS EITHER. It is a roadblock, evolutionarily speaking. That is, unless a male copulates with a female and produces progeny, genes cannot be handed down to posterity. So really, these homosexuals are not contributing anything for human good. About catholic riests and their penchant for young kiddies, it is because of sexual frustration that they molest little chiltren, especially young boys since they can't be imprenated. Having said that, the definition of a marriage is between two consenting adults of opposite sex. How the hell do homosexuals meet this definition of this sacred concept? They don't! Oh, perhaps maybe when one homosexual acts as a male and the other as a female in their relationship could this be true. But face it, this is a disease, and should be treated as such. What we need to do is come up with remedial solutions to this problem plaguing mankind rather than letting them have their way. This is America. I am sorry, but if you are looking for rampant homosexuality, legalized drug usage, pornaholic culture, you have knocked on the wrong door. Go to some country in Scandinavia instead. This gay marriage fracas opens up a pandora's box, and acts as a precursor to more moral deviance and turpitude. What next, legalize sex in a public locality? |
| dazzling ko keti | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 03:31 PM
Uday, There are certain answers which have absolute values. Meaning it could either be fully correct or it cold be totally wrong. But with the sexual revolution of the nineties, the answer to your question would fall under a gray area. Depending on who you ask the question, you will get a different answer. If you would pose that question to a conservative republican, you will most probably be hurried into condemning gays and lesbians. Whereas, a liberal democrat may have an answer totally embracing homosexuality. So it just depends whcih side of the spectrum you stand. To me, love, appreciation and attraction transcends gender barriers. So, if a woman and a woman have found love in each other, who are "WE" to label that as RIGHT and WRONG. |
| dazzling ko keti | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 03:36 PM
O and about my response on homosexuality being triggered by molestation in I don't have an independant study that I could refer you to off-handedly. Then too, I have read about it and if I come across the article I shall refer it to you. |
| dazzling ko keti | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 03:51 PM
Pornography, sex in public and leagalizing drugs are very different than legalizing marriage for a gay couple. Anyone, be it a gay or a straight couple should not resort to indecent and lewd behavior in public. That is totally unacceptable regardless of one's sexual orientation and I would totally support a law against these behaviours. But when 2 respectable, consenting adults want to share their love for each in the most decent manner, I don't think WE have a right to obstruct that. Thats their life. They too have a right to feel the way they feel and express it in a way they deem as appropriate. There are people who need 24/7 supervision from law enforcement and I don't think the gay community is among them. Their crime, if at all it is a crime, amounts to nothing BUT a reason for the majority to throw their weight and find ways to humiliate and oppress them. THAT to me is INJUSTICE and unpardonable!!! |
| mahakaal | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 04:19 PM
useless to go on what the science and the study says.gays freaking dshould be shot right in thier head or better their balls crushed.science says this and that,helll,what you people trtying to be progressive modern hell with that........silly modern behaviour.gays should be shot............ else you got to let them people as i said in my earlier post who make out with animals considered as people with genetic or psychological disorder or the way they are and let them have fun with animals....helll tahst the right toooooo as you all say thats the way they are......... and i know you ll say we are talking about humans and not animals thats right but animals are animals we human can do anything with them.......is not that right????????? now dont say them are animals sweeet cute whatever and they should not be treated pathetically then helllllll you freaking sobs stop eating barbeque or steaks.............now i know you say they are meant to be eaten and above that they are killed in snap so they dont suffer and blah blh ahelllllllll with that and now your sweeeeeet cuuute animal has no right to live cause you neeed it for your taste. HENCE SO ANIMAL FAAAAAKERS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED LIKE US AND VERY NORMAL PEOPLE IF GAYS ARE TO BE TREATED AS NORMAL IE LIKE US HELLL WITH YOU |
| le chef du nuit | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 04:37 PM
someone said: This is America. I am sorry, but if you are looking for rampant homosexuality, legalized drug usage, pornaholic culture, you have knocked on the wrong door. really? i thought this was the country where hugh hefner is a pop cultre icon where porn is a multi-billion dollar industry where snoop dogg airs his ads for 'girls gone wild doggy style' on major networks where the second-most popular talk show host (after oprah) is ellen degeneres, who is gay where 'queer eye' is a massive hit where movies like 'philadelphia' win oscars dontcha sound a little idiotic when you make claims like that? |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 05:29 PM
Oh? So you're basing what's good and what's not good for America by following Hollywood? Oh wow, and you thought my assertions were idiotic? 60% of Americans are against gay marriages. According to gallup poll conducted in 2003, about 43% of Americans view homosexuality as an unacceptable lifestyle, but 54% think it's acceptable. The point is, the majority do not believe it is acceptable. It's rather a split. Porn industry is a multi-billion dollar industry, but is not something overt. Michican only recently passed a bill banning mobile porn. President George W. Bush opposes not just gay marriages, but in fact believes homosexuality is a sin. "I am mindful that we are all sinners. And I caution those who may try to take a speck out of their neighbor's eye when they've got a log in their own." You base your assertions on Hollywood that doesn't represent America, and I'll rely more on reality. Okay? Dontcha feel idiotic when you base your whole argument on what you view on tv? |
| _sage | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 05:49 PM
To those who think homosexuality is a disease: It's not. It's a preference, a way that some people feel and some do not. It's very harmful to talk about it like it's a disease. All human societies have had people of different sexualities. Some societies had little problem with different sexualities and some chose to treat them like outcasts and abnormal or diseased. How can you define what is "normal" or "natural" -- who gave you authority to define normal and then tell everyone who is different that they are diseased? I find it offensive. I love the fact that people are different in all kinds of ways including their sexualities. Homophobia is a disease, if anything. It's like sexism, racism, caste-ism - judging people based on what category you put them in. It's just wrong. People have a right to be judged by their actions and their character, not your steroetypes against them. |
| kingkong | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 06:45 PM
my professor is gay my gaja dealer is gay and the guy who let me borrow his lighter at the t stop today was also gay i knew coz he had a button on his bag that said " PROUD GAY FATHER" and it seems its ok its not the end of the owrld for christ sake and i have this inner feeling that jesus was also gay not that i have proof but nowhere in bible do u find him with any girl but always with guys and the whore who was with him didnt had sex with him as far as bible informs so lets just stop this gay bashing and for your information nepali angel( although there has always been question about your sexual identity as i got informations from other threads) homosexuality is not a disease nor is it genetic. |
| meERA | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 06:57 PM
Homosexuality is NOT a disease. Neither the hard science nor the soft science supports that. The DSM 4 Revised (its a book that categories all mental diseases and is publisehd by the APA and is nicknamed the psychologist's bible) has removed homosexuality from its latest edition claiming that it is NOT a disease. Neither do any of the medical journal supports homosexuality as a disease. I have yet to come across one anyway. When we label certain traits of people as a disease, can we please havae data to support our claim? Its like saying in the olden times, and even now in some village that people are boksi (witch) without any claim, all because we do not like the way they behave. "Homosexuality is not contributing anything for human society" Says WHO???? There are tons of people in all postitions who are homosexuals. Let's look at it this way, homosexuals by not producing babies are helping to control the population. Moreover many are adopting babies which is another service to the society. Mind you, the adopted babies do not grow up to be homosexuals. NO WAY!!!! Even if they did, no big deal, its their freedom, their choice. "the definition of a marriage is between two consenting adults of opposite sex." Says who??? The definition of marriage is between two consenting adults, sex does not matter. As I was reading the threads, I came across a certian somebody's post. I won't say anything to what HE wrote for I feel either he posted in the WRONG thread of he does not understand what the rest of us are talking about! Eating meat (??) having sexual intercourse with animals (??) what in hell does that have to do with homosexual behavior of people. Gay should be shot (??) This person seems to be going in circles with his thoughts. |
| u_day | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 07:06 PM
Nepali_angel said: >> According to gallup poll conducted in 2003, about 43% of Americans view >> homosexuality as an unacceptable lifestyle, but 54% think it's acceptable. The point >> is, the majority do not believe it is acceptable. How does that 43% make the majority? Can you clarify, please? chef bro, You forgot the jerry springer show, father of all controversial TV talk shows. kingkong dude, The guy with the lighter is not gay but his son is gay. He is just proud that his son is comfortable with his sexuality. BTW make sure you have enuff money when you go to buy gaja hai. Feri he might ask you for some alternative payment if you are short in cash... hehehehe. |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 07:21 PM
U_day, What I'm saying is 53% is not a majority. To be a majority, there should be a bigger divide than only 9-10% difference. And stop relying on TV shows to base your claim that America is a sexually liberal country. It is in fact "puritanical" when compared to Northern European countries. Definition of disease, according to dictionary: A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress, and characterized by an identifiable group of signs or symptoms. "The possibility of a genetic or otherwise biological basis for homosexuality has been the object of a number of studies. Among the most publicised are studies falling into the following three categories: Studies of brain structure (e.g. Simon LeVay's study of the neurons in the hypothalamus) Twin studies (e.g. the study of John M. Bailey and Richard Pillard on twin brothers) Studies of chromosomes (e.g. by Dean Hamer) These studies lend credence to the idea that there is a genetic component to sexual orientation, or that homosexuality and heterosexuality may be partly the result of some otherwise innate physical characteristic(s). The majority of these studies are far from conclusive and proper scientific discussion over the physiological or genetic causes of homosexuality continues." Seems to me like homosexuality is indeed a pathological condition with genetic, environmental and psychological components. So what DSM 4 revised has removed homosexuality as a disease? This is a debatable issue and America is split over it. I said homosexuality is not contribuiting anything positive to society. I did not make the claim that homosexuals haven't contributed to society. Two different things. The formal definition of a marriage, according to dictionary is: The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife Marriage might mean same sex marriage, according to the dictionary, but it does not have the legal force. In other words, this definition is actually a civil union. Bush in fact supports the traditional definition of marriage, that is between a man and a woman. |
| u_day | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 08:04 PM
Meera, Thanks for bringing up the DSM defination. Can you look in that bible of yours and tell mahakal what DSM says about people (like him) who have sex with animals? He seems to know alot about it:p |
| mahakaal | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 08:38 PM
WHOEVER SAYS GAYS ARE TO BE TREATED NICELY AND THEM ARE TO BE TAKEN AS ANOTHER PERSON : YOU ALLL ARE PERVERTS QUEER AS GAYS FREAKING MENACE DOG BALLL LICKERS SOOKERS |
| dazzling ko keti | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 08:52 PM
Mahakal please observe some etiquette in your language.Its alright to have strong opinions but its NOT alright to use vulgarity to convey your point of view. We all have the right to respectfully disagree with one another. So, lets try this in a more mature fashion. |
| meERA | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 09:48 PM
A certain somebody here seems to be an animal expert. I am sure he wil know more about having sex with animals than everybody else on earth. The DSM is a mere dictionary compared to our walking encyclopedia:- the great man himself. |
| Trixy | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 10:03 PM
i whole heartedly agree with Dazzling ko Keti.. wateva she said so far makes more sense than the ppl here who use vulgar words from a disgusting vocabulary... ......also i respect that homosexual people also have their own rights and their own preferences.. n i have nothing against them, just cz i prefer being hetro doesnt mean everyone else should to be aswell in order to be classed as "normal" cz no one has that almighty power to define that word.... ......hope homo sexual people live in peace without bad mouthed narrow minded people constantly ranting n raving n putting them down... Trixy |
| jacko | Posted
on 23-Feb-04 11:20 PM
Arguments that state, homosexuality as disease, are false. Studies that link biological malfunction asho mosexuality do NOT exist and can hardly be called scientific. Some arguments here are analogical to Hitler’s hatered for the Jews. (Take them to concentration camp, experiment and exterminate). Where do you find correlation between healthy people and heterosexual versus unhealthy and homosexual? Any statement that it has been shown... by so and so... is just plain false. BTW, there are those who have written that humans never went to the moon and the entire trip was staged. WAKE UP. What we need here is not paraphrase of non-sense studies, but a discussion of how a choice between consenting adults affect our society, their lives, what implication it has in future generation and how it transforms our society. This phenomenon is no fad. Disco was was a fad, homosexuality is here to stay. Its a freight train traveling at 100 miles an hour and there is not a force (HIV, STDS and even all you hypocritical cry babies) that is going to stop it. Respect personal choice and live free, free of hate. |
| sense | Posted
on 24-Feb-04 04:12 AM
Sorry mahankal, We r having some discussions over here please specify ur reasons than putting some disgusting words. Jacko gave a clear explanatio on his last posting...n Dazzeling ko keti is enriching this issue with more facts...whereas Nepali keti has also defended her stance on good basis. Here we r talkin abt how we should be treating homos rather than what statistics n peoples research say. Again the thing to be noted is the truth is unknown...no one knows the reality not even science...but what should be the basic instict of humans when it comes to dealing with homosexuals...should it be like what mahaakal said...SHOOT EM UP.....or shud it be like what JAcko n DAzzeling ko keti refer to LIVE N LET LIVE????? I would like to hear a clear view on this from Nepali_ keti. |
| Roje | Posted
on 24-Feb-04 04:54 AM
Anti gay remarks remind me of a friend who could have been alive if some people had not put them in action. I take it as my personal obligation to let the people know how being close to his life and death kinda put some "sense" in me. I was very intolerable towards gays and lesbians. I dont think it came down to shoot, kill, destroy but sick, gross or weird were associated with these people, until I met this guy. I got a chance to experience a small part of his life when I got a chance to chaperon him around. It was an eye opener to find out how he was made fun of over and over again, called names over and over again, put down over and over again. Then the thought about why does he go through or has been going through all this if he could have avoided it, that is IF HOMOSEXUALITY WAS A CHOICE. It will be hard for me to accept that it is a choice after knowing him. I dont think anyone would choose something out there thats gonna make his/her life miserable to the extent that some "unqueer" might even take the half-hearted comments of killing gays literally and actually act it out. Its a strange feeling to live with the memory of someone who was killed. Please make sure to be a little responsible when you pass comments cuz some people, if not you, might literally take it up. PS: please no sorries, sympathy or flowers :). |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 24-Feb-04 11:42 AM
Child molestation can result in a number of disorders, sex addiction being one. A man may be a homosexual because he was sexually abused as a child. It is very possible. But that does not mean that all homosexuals were molested when young. There have been cases in which a homosexual becomes a heteroxual through faith. I am no Christian, but these stories are rather interesting: http://www.heinvites.org/story.php3/0348.html What would Hinduism say about homosexuality? |
| MadMax | Posted
on 24-Feb-04 12:22 PM
Homosexuality is a sin - says all religion. I am OK with gay folks but I wouldn't support gay marriage. |
| nepali_angel | Posted
on 24-Feb-04 12:43 PM
The American psychiatrists were placed in a tremendous pressure in the 1970's, by gay rights activists espousing the view of homosexuality as normal behavior. The inevitable revision could actually be attributed to the caving in to pressure by the psychiatrists to these demands, rather than to accumulation of proofs refuting the "homosexuality as a disorder" view of the time. The psychiatrists could not think with a clear head. The result was due to successful gay lobbying(APA members were actually urged not to protest the decision) and was not based on scientific knowledge. Ergo, the DSM revision. This is a good example of political correctness gone awry...political correctness is against science. On the flip side, in fact so is conservative thinking. Stem cell resarch was America's baby in a sense, the majority of discoveries were made here..but thanks due to Bush's refusal to fund stem cell research, America can't make much progress in this area. Things that could have been achieved were: replacing bald spots, cancer therapy, just to give you a few examples. The Japanese are even planning to make hybrid beings. Of course we have to tolerate other people, but that doesn't mean we have to support their lifestyle. These are two completely different things. Absolutely. |
| aakash | Posted
on 24-Feb-04 12:50 PM
i dont know much but it is really disgusting to see two men kissin n gettin all over each other! |
| dazzling ko keti | Posted
on 24-Feb-04 04:08 PM
For you the homophobics, you're not alone in your disgust for gay marriages. You share it with -----Mr. President!!!! This comes in answer to your prayers. Please read the article from the Washingtonpost, regarding the new law banning gay marriages. PS: Oh, don't forget to say Amen after reading it!!! :) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1883-2004Feb24.html |
| MadMax | Posted
on 24-Feb-04 04:14 PM
Finally Dubya has done one thing right - ban Gay Marriage. |
| MadMax | Posted
on 24-Feb-04 04:20 PM
Homosexuality is a sin. Therefore it can never be normal. Gay people are free to do what they please, but prepare to face the Judgement Day. Heavan has no place for gay people. Bless the Lord. Amen. |
| MadMax | Posted
on 24-Feb-04 04:54 PM
Homosexual hypocrisy http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/1299hypocrisy.htm |
| _sage | Posted
on 24-Feb-04 07:37 PM
I don't think this thread will ever die but how can I not post when I see the horrible things people are saying! I cannot believe all the hateful things here! You must have compassion and realize how much these attitudes hurt people every day who must live with homophobia. Or even die because of it. As for the DSM, the psychiatric profession originally listed homosexuality as a disorder because that was the prevailing social attitude at the time in the U.S. Social science often reflects the values of society, instead of reveailing some "objective" truth. How can some percentage of human beings, like 5 to 15 percent or higher depending on definitions, all be born with a 'disorder' or 'disease'? This is not a likely outcome of evolution. Yes, gay rights activists put pressure on the APA to declassify it as a disorder, but this was not a bad thing. It was like any other social change -- human rights and equal civil rights will win over closed-minded values. Now it's happening with same-sex marriage too. Please, please realize that your brothers and sisters and daughters and sons may be gay or lesbian or bisexual. How can you hate them? How can you contribute to a society that makes life hostile for them? How can you even think of this? Everyone is equal in value. Nobody is diseased for their sexual preference. Celebrate not hate our brothers and sisters. see http://www.bds.org.np/ |
| u_day | Posted
on 24-Feb-04 10:10 PM
Dazzlingko_keti, Mahakal is speechless. He has nothing to say against hmosexuals; He is out of opinions gainst them. That is why he is using vulgarity and BIG FONT. Guys, Do you know why homophobic people hate gays/lesbians??? They do that because they are insecure. They are afraid that one day they might turn into homos themselves. |
| czar | Posted
on 24-Feb-04 10:11 PM
Earlier in this thread I’d expressed reservations about sanctimony and parsimony. It has been my observation that some often use God to clinch any argument that discomfits them or challenges their faith and, sometimes, their bigotry. I accept that Faith and Religion is the compass by which some to conduct their lives. Historically, however, religion has often been hostile towards the spirit of science, democracy and freedom. Whenever enquiring minds examined topics that discomfit believers, organized religion often went on the warpath. Alcoholics were soundly condemned to Hell and Damnation from the pulpit most Sundays. Scientific studies in recent years point to genetic factors, that alcoholism be viewed as a disease rather than moral failure. That a health clinic offered salvation and not the local confessional. Hallelujah! Perhaps there is yet no conclusive scientific basis to establish homosexuality as a valid part of the diversity of the human sexual makeup. But why not keep an open mind on the issue? True to form, I see some thunder from the pulpit, with the supposed full backing of God. [He cheats at cards every Saturday too, no?] In the late 1500’s Johannes Kepler, building on Copernicus’ work, went on to formulate and publish laws of planetary motion that proposed a heliocentric nature of our part of the universe. Contrary to religious dogma, the sun, and not the earth, was the centre around which the earth rotated. Kepler was excommunicated in 1612. His mother was accused of witchcraft and tortured. And this was a man that provided many years of service to the Church, at one point even being consulted by the Papacy on certain matters astrological. Many thinkers and scientists have been ostracized and hounded in the name of religion. The trials and tribulations of Bertrand Russel come to mind immediately. So why is it those who consider themselves more Catholic than the Pope often treat others as children of a lesser God? |
| sense | Posted
on 25-Feb-04 05:09 AM
Thanks guys for ur overwhelming response on this issue......now....the question still lingers in air though we had a lot of facts, statistic, researchs, religious beliefs,anthropology...n the list goes on. My objective to post this issue was to get a clear view over how homosexuals be treated? I am sorry I refered Nepali angel as nepali keti in my last posting so will u pls take those question into account. Madmax well....will u please try to elaborate why this is a sin...shud homosexuals be really treated as sinners....what is ur definition over sin or sinners? Again isnt normality in itself bounded into sentence structures....what shud be societys response for this growing change?...isn still being conservative choosing to run away from reality? |
| baadal | Posted
on 25-Feb-04 05:56 AM
along the same lines, if you insist, how should heterosexual people be treated? |
| april | Posted
on 25-Feb-04 09:23 PM
How should hetrosexuals/homosexuals/lesbians be treated?? How about treating them as normal humans?? Why should any one be branded by any name but the name given to them by their parents? Why/or how are these people any different from others but for their sexual preferences which is nobody's business anyway. Why can't we learn to accept others for what they are as long as they are good human beings? Isn't that far more important? |