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| Biswo |
Posted
on 26-Feb-04 11:01 PM
Students union elections were held and not surprisingly, akhil/nebisangh dudes won. The only king supporter party, an affiliate of Raaprapaa, didn't make any mark at all. Even third and fourth position went to the student unions affiliated with the anti-king anti-Maoists student unions.
There goes the claim of popularity by the king and the Maoists. It is unfortunate that in Nepal those who lose in election talk about having popularity and popular mandate so many times that you want to abominate in disgust right when they are talking.
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Amnesty International appealed a few days ago that the situation of teacher 'Chandra Nepal' and his wife, an Amnesty International member, Sabitri Nepal, who were abducted by royal nepalese army a few days ago be made public.
No address of those two people were given. But I think I know them. They lived in the village next to mine.
Last summer, when I was in Nepal, people told me that Mrs Sabitri and her husband were constantly harrassed by the security forces. I never really knew their political affiliation. They were very nondescript people. Mr Nepal was a teacher, and was very likely to be a UML supporter. Mrs Nepal was in Amnesty International, and that organization once didn't have a single leftist members in Tandi.So, I never knew what Mrs Nepal's political affiliation was.
However, their son, Madhur Nepal, who grew in front of my eyes, and was a taciturn young boy who listened attentively when I spoke, and who came first in his class during his primary school days, had been a Maoist commander in eastern Chitwan. He was often hiding near Shaktikhor. People told me he used to carry two pistols. He was a chubby boy.He was not an early recruit in the Maoist movement. And I didn't even know he was a left sympathizer.
I found the news of his recruitment so difficult to believe that I often asked about his whereabouts when I called home or to my friends. I had a belief that he would come back to his cushy bed once he realized the thorny and painful life of a vagabond rebel in the tough terrain. I also thought constant threats of death by marauding Police/Army in the mountainous Shaktichor region of Chitwan would break him.
One villager told me that Madhur in deed returned to his home from time to time. I believe he is in his early 20s and he definitely misses good food and love of his parents. He was the only son of his parents anyway. About two weeks ago, a villager of mine told me that he had seen Madhur somedays before in the village.
Before the last truce,the security personnels used to come to Madhur's house in the midnight. They would use very foul language at his mother. No word was prohibited and conservative old people at the village found those loud vituperation very offending. The security personnels would also threaten to detain both of his parents if they didn't help them finding Madhur.
The villagers had sympathy for those two people. The villagers didn't like the Maoists, but they also loved the lovely kid who grew up in front of them and had never offended anyone. I also found the situation of Madhur really sad. Madhur suffered from nostalgia, he missed his good friends of the village none of whom had joined the Maoists, and yet the path he had chosen had been almost irreversible. He lurched along his path willynilly because, as his friends said, he knew that he would be killed by the security personnels if they ever found him.
My village has a lot of old people living by themselves. When I was there,I found that some of their grown up sons were working as DSP in districts like Achham, some had sons as CDO in some districts. Some of my friends work as officers in army and police. But a rule was there: that no one would touch these old men. Maoists too didn't touch. The RNA too didn't touch the old men. Yes, the region was not Dharma kshetra of war. But no one ever though that there would ever be any issue about retributive action against the father of Ram Bahadur Thapa 'Badal', or Pushpa Kamal Dahal 'Prachanda' . May be the rule is revised now.
In 2046, once two boys from my village were abducted by police. When they came back, their body was swollen, and there were scars all over their body. My own brother , a very apolitical person then, was taken from his hostel. He showed us his scars in his legs, and hips. They didn't commit any crime. May be speaking out loud against the king was crime, but they didn't even speak anything. They were just following the rules. And the king was supposed to be at the hand of a nice man, Birendra, then. This time, the situation is more grave.But I hope Chandra Nepal and his wife will return safe without any scar . I hope they are safe wherever they are. Otherwise, who knows it will kick off a cycle of violence against the family members of police/army/maoists.
Amen.
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| bardan |
Posted
on 27-Feb-04 02:44 PM
regarding the student elections,what u say is true,the RPP didnt do well,but what also is true that the elections which were postponed for three years were finally held by this govt..its mere rhetoric to proclaim democracy its another thing practicing it.It just shows that if there is political will,democracy and elections will not be held hostage by the securtiy situation.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 28-Feb-04 10:18 AM
>Regarding the student elections,what
>u say is true,the RPP didnt do well,but
>what also is true that the elections which
> were postponed for three years
>were finally held by this govt
OK, let me give the government 'credit' for holding the election. However, it was evident to all that these elections were 'strategically' announced so as to drive a wedge between the student organizations.
The loss of RPP-affiliated student union is not just 'the RPP didn't do well' thing. It is more than that. It is a sound thrashing of those who back the king. In the wake of the election, the king's claim of 'being popular' etc all can be easily thrown out of the window.
I also predict that if the next general election were to be held today, anyone who openly supports the king Gyanendra would lose the election. Not a single soul who supports king's actions since Ashoj18 will be elected. When I was in Nepal, I had seen how Nepali people view the king. People are just tired off by him and his megalomaniac actions.
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| Dogz 4 Life |
Posted
on 28-Feb-04 10:29 AM
Hey Biswo,
Where can I find the report on college student's poll? I tried but could not find any news on who won on which campus. Sharing is caring..right? Let me know.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 28-Feb-04 10:33 AM
Hi Dogz4life,
partial results are mentioned in this report by TKP.
Will end of polls signal re-start of campaign against regression?
POST REPORT
KATHMANDU, Feb 27 - The CPN-UML-affiliated All Nepal National Free Students’ Union (ANNFSU) claimed sweeping victory in Thursday’s Free Students’ Union (FSU) polls bagging 35 campus chairmanship seats until Friday evening. However, overall results were unknown as the counting still continued.
The student wing of the Nepali Congress (NC) party – NSU, managed to secure second position but the total number of seats won has not been confirmed as the counting still continued till late Friday evening.
NSU claimed to have won 21 seats for chairmanship so far but the ANNFSU dispute this figure and said it has secured 13 seats. Kishor Singh Rathore-led NSU (Democratic), a breakaway faction of the NSU, bagged three seats, ANNFSU (Unified) one seat in Lamjung Agriculture Campus and the Nepal Revolutionary Students’ Union one seat in Bhaktapur.
Results from the vote counting that concluded today afternoon elsewhere in the districts show ANNFSU clinching victory in Bhojpur Campus. In Baglung Campus and Myagdi Campus, a joint panel won the seat with candidates from ANNFSU elected to the post of chairman, from NSU as vice-president and from ANNFSU (ML) as treasurer. "The key to ANNFSU’s victory is because it has moved the hearts of students by fighting for their rights and facilities in the campuses," Shri Prasad Shah, office chief of the ANNFSU claimed.
Despite the sizeable loss for the NSU and other smaller groups, they were reluctant to concede defeat on the ground that they were fighting on friendly terms to stand solidly against regression.
They claimed they have won over the hearts of the college students who support them for what they describe as "anti-regression movement".
Gagan Thapa, General Secretary of NSU, which finished second in terms of securing the seats for chairmanship, preferred calling it a victory against regression.
"The voting is over. Now we will begin our campaign against regression," he said.
Krishna Adhikari, President of ANNFSU (Unified), which won only one seat so far for chairmanship, said the student organizations were not contesting in terms of gains and losses. "It is a triumph for democracy. We are more than happy," he said.
TU Registrar Geeta Bhakta Joshi said the voters’ turnout was more than 50 per cent. There are 150,000 voters in TU’s 61 constituent colleges.
Talking to The Kathmandu Post, Joshi said the polling was concluded in 39 out of 61 constituent campuses under the TU. He said that five campuses will have their polls shortly but in 16 other campuses, election would be conducted within the last week of Falgun.
In about 200 private or affiliated campuses of TU, details of election results were sketchy as the tabulation continued till Friday night. And as the rule exists, polls are not compulsory in those campuses. The polls concluded with warm messages of solidarity among seven different student organizations. However, counting in a few colleges, including the Kirtipur Campus was not yet over till the filing of this report. TU officials said the overall results would be announced on Saturday.
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| Dogz 4 Life |
Posted
on 28-Feb-04 10:53 AM
Thanks Biswo..You da Man.
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| oys_chill |
Posted
on 28-Feb-04 11:06 AM
"When I was in Nepal, I had seen how Nepali people view the king. People are just tired off by him and his megalomaniac actions. "
As much as I agree with other things you've said in this thread, I have to disagree with your above conclusion. What nepali people are you talking about? few youngsters in some major cities. Sorry dai, they don't represent the entire nepali people. The older generation, late middle aged ppl, and THOUSANDS OF VILLAGES spread across the kingdom unequivocally support the king. The notion of King alone is very important to these ppl, cheated and betrayed by their local leaders and wounded by Maoist atrocities. I personally don't approve any of the king's action, but I don't think people are tired of him. They want him to take positive measures. What he does and does not is totally out of my jurisdiction. Yes, I can tell you for one thing though: I personally am sick and tired of political parties giving galat "ASWASAN" to people all the time.
different strokes for differnt folks :)
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 28-Feb-04 01:31 PM
>The older generation, late middle aged
>ppl, and THOUSANDS OF VILLAGES spread
> across the kingdom unequivocally support
> the king.
The villages have risen in the previous years. Maoists grew up like a mushroom in exactly those districts/villages. Mainly because of palace massacre, the mystic aura of divine representation around Shah rulers has been dispelled, and people look at the present king through a very unfavorable prism. The nation has changed, oys. If the students voted overwhelmingly against pro-king outfits, so will their parents/uncles.
Anyway, I welcome any chance to see your statement reflected by election and numbers.
>Yes, I can tell you for one thing though:
> I personally am sick and tired of political
> parties giving galat "ASWASAN" to people
> all the time.
The biggest ASWASAN in the modern history came from Tribhuvan when he said 'constitutional assembly' will be convened to make a new constitution. Another biggest ASWASAN of democratic reform/bikaasko mool came from Mahendra. Probably the most famous ASAWASAN came from Birendra, when he claimed that he would take Nepal to Asiyaali Maapdanda. Under all these kings, we remained raiti-kaa-raiti. At the end of 2046, we didn't have any good educational system, our all import-export trade was controlled by 25 families most of them king loyals, all Nepal had a total of 951 doctors, telephone/electricity in only a few regions, tourism sector controlled a few families.. the list goes on.People , not surprisingly, take notice of this. That's why I predict that not a SINGLE pro-king candidate would win the next general election, and I dare them to announce that wherever they can.
I condemn the political leadership for their ineptness and mendacity. But I will be more comfortable to let people decide what they want for themselves.
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 29-Feb-04 11:11 AM
Oys,
You will not be completely wrong if you say old people and villagers see the king as a cultural object. However,you are wrong if you say they support the king politically. The bulk of the support is cultural, not political.
That too has eroded with the royal massacre. The royal massacre has completely demystified the royalty to even the most ignorant and old villagers living in the most remote village. Gyanendra and Paras are never going to be vishnu ko avatar to them, no matter how many Shinghals declare them so.
Whatever cultural acceptance should have remained, that too has severely compromised by Maoists education/propoganda over the last seven years. There are probably hardly any villager who has not heard the word 'Saamanti', let alone about the conspiracy theory.
In absence of contest or challenge, cultural acceptance may work as a political support. However, the political form of it breaks down at the first political challenge to it. And it's been long since that has occurred in Nepal. And this break-down is just being reinforced by every political 'chal-khel' of Gyanendra
I don't know if you disagree, however, I agree with Biswo's speculation that in the future election, none or negligible number of the candidates who supports the king's political ambition will be elected. And this will explain what I mean by the break-down of the political form of a cultural object.
Oys, do you think, the candidates supporting the king will win the future election ?
Regarding the current crop of political leaders, they are khattam. No question about it. However, let's be optimistic. Political leaders have started to admit that there has been a gross mistakes on their part in the past. This alone is not going to make them right. However, it must facilitate a process of breeding new and better leadership to emerge.
The most important sign of hope comes from what you uncharitably described as 'few youngsters in some major cities'. I think their movement is a precursor to a new, bold and democratic leadership of future. They are our 'enough is enough'. They are rejecting the monarchy and they are rejecting the limitation of their political leaders. They need our support, solidarity and active involvement.
You recently wrote you have a soft corner for the king. I am not trying to harden your young heart, but I ask you how soft ? I mean, is that culturally soft or politically soft ? If it is culturally soft, let that not be confused with the political softness. If it is indeed politically soft, then I give up.
As much as we are pissed off with our political leaders, let us not forget that they are one of us and we have a choice about them individually. The same does not go with the king and the prince. So there is no point comparing them politically, even if you have a soft corner for the king.
Basically, at this point, however confusing and messy the situation is, we have to search a sustainable solution. Status quo is not it. Going back to the compromise of the past is not it. Anything as a temporary relief is not what we should seek. Our temporarism, ad-hocism has brought this mess. It's time to reject them and think beyond.
If we can't, we have no right to lament.
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| oys_chill |
Posted
on 29-Feb-04 06:46 PM
Oh of course, king's parties..(how many are there by the way) will not win any election in future......but that doesn't mean, political parties who win necessarily means they won by fair means nor they have the support of the people, nor it reflects what people support.
Before you jump and crucify my postings, I am here not to support the king, nor make a mockery of the political parties. What I am saying is plain and simple: Yes, king and their allies have certainly angered and betrayed the mass. But now where are the leaders that can be compared to the king and say He'll do a better job than the king? Are there any? if yes, please enlighten me, instead of the monotonous rambling of anti king blogs. Of course people have changed a lot, but still I think the notion of king is very important to the identity and unity for a country like ours, but that's only my opinion. please read carefully, its my opinion
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 01-Mar-04 12:20 AM
>But now where are the leaders that
>can be compared to the king and say
> He'll do a better job than the king?
>Are there any? if yes, please
>enlighten me, instead of the monotonous
>rambling of anti king blogs.
Well, oys, you are entitled to your opinions, your beliefs, and that is fine.
As far as I am concerned, I can name you plenty of people who can do better than King Gyanendra's aimless rule which is flayed not only by countrymen, students, but lately by international community.
So, to name a person, let me name the worst among the leaders: Khum Bahadur Khadka , Govinda Raj Joshi, Rabindra Nath Sharma.. they all will be better than Gyanendra. Of course, needless to say, that is my opinion :-)
This is because in my system of belief, a person is popular only after he is able to prove that . In politics and in election, that is by vote count.Contrary to what you believe,there seems to be quite a few parties out there doing king's bidding. For example: Raprapa, Rajeshware Devkotako party, Hariyali party, Keshav Sthapitko recently opened party, Salim Miya Ansariko party, Save The Nation, ... I seem to have lost the count...
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| mitra 2 |
Posted
on 01-Mar-04 08:27 AM
I agree that King Supporters wouldn't win many seats if the election is held fairly. However, RPP had won at least a dozen seats during their hard times in the past and since the king is steering the wheel now, it is a more favorable situation for them to win even more. That is, if the election is held fairly. But, what are the chances of holding a free and fair election in country? I see none.
King Gynendra is not listening to anybody since he took over. Security forces who help to conduct the election are under his influence. All the crucial posts are filled with his loyal men including VDC/DDC chiefs, ambassadors, election commissioner, and what not! Please note story behind how he appointed the election commissioner. There was no need of that if he had a good intension. Moreover, it is a proven fact that politicians are not as loyal to their party as they are to a post. So, I predict that worst trading of politicians is yet to come. I also predict that there would be a hung parliament leaving room for king to play dirty games for quite some time. If a party gains majority, obviously they would break away for a lousy reason. In any case, the purpose of the king would be served. However, my first and foremost prediction is that I see no election in Nepal without a huge pressure from international community.
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 01-Mar-04 12:55 PM
Oys,
It is not fair to call such a friendly and decent discussion a crucification of your postings. As a matter of fact, I admire you for frank expressing your views and opinion on political matters. Not all can do that. There are some Sajhaites who have plentiful views and strong opinion about the matters we are talking about, but they keep it to themselves. A glimpse of their strong views gets leaked with their brief whining now and then, but they don't have guts to share their real views. They are coward. But you are different. You have not only views but also guts to share them and defend them with your own logic.
Please keep posting.
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Mitra2,
Gyanendra is indeed working his grand design to get back the part of the power the royal family lost in 2047. But aren't we seeing how he is axing his own foot ? Who had thought (except a few fanatics like myself) before asoj18 ko kaanda, students will take the street to demand the republicanism ?
As for the performance of RPP in the last election, I think that became possible because RPP blended in with others and they really gave impression that they are not a king's party and they are fine with 'democracy'.
That has changed since Gyanendra's take over, particularly after their RPP's Pokhara Adhivesan which adopted a resolution to empower the king (although that was limited to the time of an immergency, the sign is clear !)
Now, if and when they go public supporting the active monarchy, their old credential that they had gotten by distancing themselves from the king will be lost. They will be the same old Mandale-Panche again.
As for election bureaucracy, which is naturally a cross section of the same voters, is not going to be solely Gyanendra's tool. We have matured enough to let any dhandhali of the magnitude of the last referendum to happen.
So whether it is the election for a Constituent Assembly or a referendum or for a parliament, that is when Gyanendra will see his dream of wearing his father's shoes a mere daydream.
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| bhunte |
Posted
on 02-Mar-04 02:22 PM
Nepe said:
>>>>....I admire you for frank expressing your views and opinion on political matters. Not all can do that. There are some Sajhaites who have plentiful views and strong opinion about the matters we are talking about, but they keep it to themselves.....<<<<<
What is this pumping for? Are you still in bihari jhole rajniniti? Hajur ajhai pasan yug ma hunu hunchha ki ke ho? It reminds me another kurup nara pichas who is always hungry for human sacrifices and blood, and wanted to be be adorned with human skulls all around his neck. Do all sajhites need to reveal what political ideologies they have? Where in the republican world people would show their mat patra where they balloted before droppin in the ballot box? Do you think everyone need to march here with own flagships?? You should come to me to learn what is politics in real, or i can arrange a scholarship for you where you get a proper political training. Got it? Otherwise, don't bark here. No one need to preach anyone here.
I haven't forgotten other thread hai....Continue to get enough janamat there and baloon with hot air as much as you can....I will be there for ribbon cutting...ha ha ha
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| bhunte |
Posted
on 02-Mar-04 02:26 PM
Nepe said:
>>>>....I admire you for frank expressing your views and opinion on political matters. Not all can do that. There are some Sajhaites who have plentiful views and strong opinion about the matters we are talking about, but they keep it to themselves. A glimpse of their strong views gets leaked with their brief whining now and then, but they don't have guts to share their real views. They are coward. But you are different. .....<<<<<
Nepe, What is this pumping for? Are you still in bihari jhole rajniniti? Hajur ajhai pasan yug ma hunu hunchha ki ke ho? It reminds me another kurup nara pichas who is always hungry for human sacrifices and blood, and wanted to be be adorned with human skulls all around his neck. Do all sajhites need to reveal what political ideologies they have? Where in the republican world people would show their mat patra where they balloted before droppin in the ballot box? Do you think everyone need to march here with own flagships?? You should come to me to learn what is politics in real, or i can arrange a scholarship for you where you get a proper political training. Got it? Otherwise, don't bark here. No one need to preach anyone here.
I haven't forgotten other thread hai....Continue to get enough janamat there and baloon with hot air as much as you can....I will be there for ribbon cutting...ha ha ha
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 02-Mar-04 03:07 PM
Bhunte ji,
I am noticing a sudden change in your attitude and language. And it has already gone to the level that I prefer not to give a damn. So sorry brother, I don't give it a damn.
Now to some sane question "Do all sajhites need to reveal what political ideologies they have?"
Nope, they don't need to reveal. Nobody are required to reveal/share/discuss/comment anything here. But you don't get praised for not sharing your views. Tetti ho.
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| chinausbusiness |
Posted
on 02-Mar-04 04:08 PM
No one needs to voice their opinion, its a personal choice. I do admire those who do. Then there would be no leaders, no one to follow, back to Panchayat or was it back to Rana regime?
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| bhunte |
Posted
on 02-Mar-04 04:17 PM
nepe, what a self contradictory personality! Who are you to insult people accusing them a coward for not sharing his ideologies? Yes, sometimes attitude may rhyme like a wave. Honestly speaking again, you don't know ABC of politics. Go somewhere else to practice it but sajha isn't a playing field for it. No one will give a damm to it unless it is a creative and constructive one. Political ideologies for some is not a commodity like an apple or orange to share. pls no chharo hanning here. kuro tetti ho ahile lai...
one kabita dedicated for you hai sandarva ma:
suro nai chauu bhane nepe, jau desha ma garna lai rajaniti bidisa bata!
katar nai hau bhane nepe, pathau jehad ka hunkar makure dulo bata!
however, my blessing to you for your ambition though. astu!
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| bhunte |
Posted
on 02-Mar-04 04:27 PM
chinausbusiness, the issue is not for going back to old regimes. Leadership will evolve naturally with time and tide to topple be it a corrupt regime or one with autocratic with severe atrocities. People power will decide what kind of leaderships and what kind of governance. I am not saying here mato suhaundo hawa pani sunhaundo, but samaye sapechhe one.
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 02-Mar-04 05:28 PM
Bhunte ji,
I am posting just to correct your misrepresentation of my words. The rest I don't give a damn, although it is getting entertaining.
I have nothing to say to those who choose not to share their views. I respect their choice. Period.
I called coward only to those who whine and whine and whine but are afraid to share their views in more detail. I don't think it was inappropriate to call them cowards and praise others who are bold enough to share their diverse views like Oys did.
That was what I said.
Enough of whiners and whining. Let's save this thread for those who have some substance related to the topic of the thread to share.
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| bhunte |
Posted
on 02-Mar-04 06:31 PM
Nepe ji, ye teso po? daha le pet polera digine kinna farmasy tira dhaunu bhaya jasto lagyo hai malai ta. ani kajisab ko kuro ra kulo jata ghumayo ootai ghumne rahechha.....ho ta ni yo thread ma 'jo jogi aye pani kanai chireko jasto lagyo' hola hajur lai...baru yo thread lai 'manchhe oonai hun, kura tinai hun' bhanda kaso hola? hajur lai maile oohile nai jaher gari sakeko chhu ki sajha is also for entertaining for some...
banki kuro arko dhago ma....
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