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| Biswo |
Posted
on 29-Jul-01 09:24 PM
Prime Minister Sher Bahadur Deuba is sincerely doing his best to
solve this festering Maoists problem. His nemesis Maoists have a
problem now: just like a Chinese proverb, "Don't long for
something very much, you might just get it." The 'Fascist' Girija
goot(cabal) is out of government, and Maoist comrades are either
being released or are in process of being released. Now they have
to play ball with their chosen Sher Bahadur ji, and give the
appropriate gesture, otherwise, if they don't know, a man from
Girija goot is quite likely to get the throne back right the next
quarter. After forming the government, half of the Congressi MPs
are already anti Sher Bahadur, and some of the rest will also
join the party president anyway if there is no hope of
progressing under Sher Bahadurji.
Unlike what Maanab Adhikari baadis saying , Maoists are not sure
what the culmination of their war is. Republic? Communism? Maoists
know that even after they get this republic thing, Nepal won't be
radically different, and the fighters in the jungle won't have
a better life. Communism? That's not something Sher Bahadurji
or King Gyanendra will just agree to. Also, more than majority
of people should agree for such thing, or the Maoists should
conquer the people physically. And if the dialogue fails
to deliver any result, what then?
It is tough time ahead.People are still poor, and there are no
hope for uneducated poor Nepalese. Life for them is still very
difficult. Politicians especially those in Nepali Congress are
very corrupt. They don't have clear mentality. They don't know
what they are supposed to do, why they are forming government, and
so all those MPs get bored in Pratinidhi Sabha. Some even sleep
there. Very few read a legislation in detail before signing it.
There is no incentive for them to read and analyse any legislation
since they have to follow whip and sign/oppose anyway.All they
want to do is to have money. Aspiration of becoming Daani Saahu
(donor Merchant)of village encouraged them to ask for MP fund. It
is probably very pleasant experience for them, when fellow
citizens ask for money with them, and they can say them,"OK, I
will give you this much!"
Parties must be serious to get educated people elected. They
can't be run always with the helmsmen whose real life experience
is only as Khajanchi(cashier) or Halkaara(hawker).
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Also Best wishes for our regular contributor Ashu in his way to
Scotland. Hope to hear from you soon.
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| EastSideBoy |
Posted
on 30-Jul-01 11:31 AM
Deuba is certainly not doing the right thing by freeing the rebels. On the contrary, he is strenghthening them. Under the pretext of cease-fire, the terrorists are consolidating their power.
Why does Deuba fail to realise that the only way this problem can be solved is through military action? It just beats me. Everybody knows that the Maoists demands are non-negotiable.
Deuba doesn't have the mandate to compromise on freedom, democracy, constitutional monarchy and free enterprise. If he goes ahead, then he will be betraying the the rest of us freedom loving people.
In the long term, the only way this problem can be solved will be to declare Prachanda and Baburam terrorista and kill them. There is no other solution.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 30-Jul-01 03:01 PM
EastSideBoyji:
Freeing the rebels is not a bad thing. After all,there are already
5000 rebels there in mountain, and the jailed ones are already too
weak to add any force to the rebels in mountain.People slowly
realize that the government has done everything to placate them.
I don't know why should we target the king now. The king doesn't
take bribes. King rarely does 'sifaarish' of mandales for the job
of Saakhaa adhikrit. The king is the least of our problems now. We
need to develop our country first.King,everybody knows, is the
patriotic helmsman. That is a big assurance for now.
I really hope this peace talk things succeed.After 9 PM, people
don't even walk in the street of Chitwan, I have heard. May be
this is same everywhere in Nepal except Kathmandu. Bir Nepalis
so fearful even to walk in the night now! Tourism season is coming
soon, and I don't know what will happen if the situation is not
improved soon.
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| EastSideBoy |
Posted
on 30-Jul-01 06:46 PM
Biswoji,
Why target the king? You said. That's exactly why these talks will fail. The Maoists want a REPUBLIC. Can there be a republic with a King?
They want a communist state. Can multi-party democracy and totalitarian communism exist side by side? What kind of political system will it be?
They want to nationalize all privately own industries and businesses. Can we compromise on this stupid idea?
For these and other reasons, the talks will fail. Then the only alternative left will be to declare war on these terrorists who want to establish a utopian communist state over "the dead bodies of millions of people" (according to Baburam Bhattarai).
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 31-Jul-01 05:31 AM
>Biswoji,
>Why target the king? You said. That's exactly why these talks will fail. The
>Maoists want a REPUBLIC. Can there be a republic with a King?
>They want a communist state. Can multi-party democracy and totalitarian
>communism exist side by side? What kind of political system will it be?
>They want to nationalize all privately own industries and businesses. Can we >compromise on this stupid idea?
In deed, these people are throwback to 60s,EastSideBoyji. Funnily, they sometimes also remind me Gloria Swansong of 1950 classic "Sunset Boulevard".
Oblivious of the change of time, they are like a general who still waives at
the march long passed by.
King Gyanendra, whether we like him or not, is a legitimate king now, and he is
the least of people's concern now. Personally, in the last 45 days, my view
regarding him has been changed a lot, and it can be said to be a 'cautious
laudatory' view.
As a person who has been to the 'utopia' of Mao, I can say that Mao also had
a coalition government. There are still 8 nominal parties in China besides communist
party. The richest man, acc to Fortune, of China is Larry Yeung, whose father
was vice president in China until 98, and he was not a communist.
And even withing communism, the only person who demolished everything personal
and created an 'ideal' community based society was Polpot. Polpot used to criticize
Mao for letting people have private kitchens. When there was famine in China in
60s, Deng allowed private farming in Sichuan, which resulted in increased crop
yield. The imprisioned former communist party general secretary Zhao Ziyang
was rose to prominence because of the high oil production in his leadership in Anhui
province.(facts about the specific province is mentioned from memory, so yet to
be corroborated, but this is basically a truth.)
So, my point is Maoist leaders lack the knowledge of history, or they don't know
what they are demanding, or they are victim of their own propaganda.
I once read a comment by Dr Bhattarai. He termed North Korea a 'kingdom of
North Korea' for declaring Dear Leader a heir apparent of Kim Ill Sung. He wrote
this article around 91.If I understand correctly, Dr Bhattarai doesn't support
any Soviet Ruler except Lenin and Stalin. He doesn't support Polpot also. But he
very clearly support Cultural Revolution(CR), which is alarming thing. CR is nothing
but anarchy of lowerclass in which educated people were incarcerated,brutalized
or even killed.
May be one first ask Maoists what the hell is their utopian system, and what
the hell do they want.
>For these and other reasons, the talks will fail. Then the only alternative left will
>be to declare war on these terrorists who want to establish a utopian communist
>state over "the dead bodies of millions of people" (according to Baburam
>Bhattarai).
Even if they are terrorists and extortionists, one need to talk to them. Afterall,
when the state fights with the rebels,a lot of people are killed. Blood begets hatred
and we can't live in hatred. Our economy will go down. If the dialogue can save
even one life, it is worth all these efforts.
Another thing is dialogue is necessary for providing incentive to the renegade
rebels. Rightnow, even if the rebels want to leave their gang, they don't have
any offer, any idea where to go, and how they will be able to avoid police
persecution. Talks and dissemination of news about talk will provide such avenues.
Also, if there is all out war, we need to have some consensus on how to treat
people, allow red cross, and exchange POWs. It sounds ludicrous now, but in
war such things are very necessary to control the death toll. Being a Nepali, we
all hope that less people die,so that less bereaved mother and babies have to cry.
Let's go for dialogue. If dialogue fails, and if government offers all it can, then
probably army will also have popular mandate to fight. People will think, "well,
the government had done all it could do.."
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| Reetu |
Posted
on 31-Jul-01 11:49 PM
Biswo,
Could you please explain what 'Fascist' means? When lately Prime Minister G. P. Koirala had peoples' mandate to become a Prime Minister of Kingdom of Nepal, how could you say that he was a 'Fascist'? Do you think any Fascist can be removed from the authority simply asking resignation? My point is that G. P. Koirala is not a fascist neither his fellows.
Reetu...
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 01-Aug-01 12:51 AM
Reetuji:
Though I don't support GP, I don't believe that GP is a Fascist. I was quoting the
rebels in the sentence you were pointing to.
Hope things are clear now.
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| Bullet! |
Posted
on 01-Aug-01 05:16 AM
this time, Deuba is really a 'hay' in the middle of the Sea. But still we can Contribute him & country By eliminating - Hynea(.???)
The Main Peoples enemy is the "skunky & hyneas Girija. this is a indian Pet. unless it's eradication there will not be any peace & Prosperity In nepal.
So, the Solution is, to abolish Girija- merciless & his prostitute dauger' gang
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| Reetu |
Posted
on 01-Aug-01 06:18 PM
>something very much, you might just get it."
>The 'Fascist' Girija
>goot(cabal) is out of government, and Maoist
>comrades are either
>being released or are in process of being
>released.
Biswo,
Please, just look at these sentences which does not indicate for the Maoists, does it?
Opponent, Indifference and Blaming are different things, I guess. In your posting, you have shown extremly high degree of blaming. Is it justifiable? Hopefully, it rings the bell.
Reetu....
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 01-Aug-01 07:53 PM
Dear Reetuji:
You can see I have quoted the sentences. The word Fascist is between quotation
marks. And the tenor suggest that I am using the rebel's tone. As for blaming, I
don't think criticisms are tantamount to blaming.
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| EastSideBoy |
Posted
on 02-Aug-01 01:30 AM
Prachanda and Baburam have no right to call others Fascists, since they themselves are striving to impose their fascism on us. There is a great deal of similarity between fascism and communism.
As for Girija being a fascim, nothing can be further from the truth. If he were really a fascist, then the terrorists would be hiding inside some mudholes fearing for their lives now.
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| GP |
Posted
on 02-Aug-01 07:13 PM
In Nepal, BRB and Prachanda have the full human rights to do anything
, move anywhere (Prachanda was quoted that he attended the 'RIM'
meeting/conference in Europe last time using Indian Passport = Indian
Citizenship, He still bashes India = He was asked probably by RAW to
make India bashing so that common people do not feel that
Prachanda is run by RAW, as we all know the politics in Nepal is
successful only when the politicians do India Bashing in public
places, but, meet VK Rajan and assure him that they will do
whatever they wish. Maoists leaders are not less in this case too),
talk anything, disagree with anyone, none outside those two person
have that much of freedom.
Its my analysis, whether to accept or reject its your[The Readers] turn.
GP
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| GP |
Posted
on 03-Aug-01 03:25 AM
The Peace drama: (the reason behind Maoists' ceasefire):]
Political Pundits must have realized by now why the Maoists are
so soft and called for ceasefire. Its all to deactivate the
APF bills. Once its deactivated, then, the killing fields will continue.
Take it or through it.
TKP wrote:
"Should he[Deuba] let the ordinance lapse and hence boost the chance for peace talks with the rebels? Or should the government push for the passage of the APF and kiss goodbye its chances of talks with the rebels?"
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