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| nepali007 |
Posted
on 29-Mar-04 03:36 PM
Hey,
Not sure if you have ever heard or read on papers, but most of the time its indicated that Buddha was born in India. I remember taking a history class while I was doing my undergrad, our history teacher for 20 years said Buddha was born in India. That proved me one thing, whatever is fed into our heads, that is what is going to be in there and that is what we think is right/wrong. Now I wonder, what other beliefs are in us that is just not true. Why don't we explore things little more, why don't we spend little more effort in acquiring "correct" information. I am sure if that history teacher had done little research, he would have found out the truth. A perfect example: that Nepali "billionaire dude". Anyways back to Buddha's birthplace.
Past weekend I was watching a show on PBS channel, "Sylvia's Path", narrated by Bill Cosby. I was offended to hear the narrator say "... birthplace of Buddha, India ...". Right then I changed the channel and then returned back to the end of the show to get some information about the production company, so that I could send them an email. I did not get any information then, but I got some information off the web and I have written them an email regarding the mistake. Lets see what explanation they will give me.
I am not sure why, but I have seen this mistake many times and it does piss me off. Not that I have anything against Indians but its about the media sending the wrong message and not doing their home-work well.
Anyways, halla back at me and tell me what you think.
Peace,
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| mickthesick |
Posted
on 29-Mar-04 06:37 PM
.The main reason why most historians say that Buddha was born in India is: Nepal was not a unified kingdom at the time of Buddha's birth. We all agree with that, right? The other thing to be noted is that not even India was a unified country then. The current India( meaning the unified India) came into existence only after the British invaded India and started ruling in the subcontinent. Thus history often considers this whole subcontinental area as the Indian subcontinent. Remember, it's "Indian subcontinent" and not "India" that should be mentioned as Buddha's birthplace because neither India nor Nepal was a single country then.
Most western historians (also the Asians) do not know this fact and hence mistake "Indian subcontinent" for "India".
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| dyamn |
Posted
on 29-Mar-04 09:54 PM
who cares.. buddha is important, his teaching is important.. who gives a flip about his birth place.... i know i know it's good for Nepal's reputation and to gain some tourists.. but they're not going there cuz of the maoists anyway, so what's the point...
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| CRUSADER |
Posted
on 29-Mar-04 10:56 PM
I find it extremely aggravating when I see the media or books stating that India was the birth place of Buddha. Good point there James
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| dyamn |
Posted
on 30-Mar-04 12:02 AM
welll.. this is what i think okie, an immidiate family member of used to work for govt long time ago and he was fighiting over this issue with indian authorities. I is hear that indians did their best to give false impression to the world that buddha was not actually born in lumbini and born in somewhere in india, which i don't know the place. My fam mem told me that they(indians) used to steal the bricks from lumbini and and take them to so called buddha's place. They wanted to gain reputation and tourists... they are the ones whose claming to the world that buddha was born in India.. we nepali should clearify that to anyone and where wehre we hear/see, like our friend did up thier by emailing...
buddha's teaching is imp than his birth, but Nepal is Imp than indian's arrogance and bullism(did i spell this right? noooo- shitnz)....
indians are suckaazzzz they can't see nepali, paki, bangla, bhutani, or anyone from the saarc reigon happy...
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| Shaiva |
Posted
on 30-Mar-04 08:32 AM
what's the difference? go to lumbini, it looks like india anyway.
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| sense |
Posted
on 30-Mar-04 09:10 AM
Nepals tarai looks like india but that doesnt mean people of tarai r indians niether does it imply that nepal is just a pahadi country. If everybody begins saying like what Shaiva said then one day our himali region looks like tibet n our hilly regoin looks like bhutan...then u wont have an answer to what ur identity really is, unless u have a residence permit of a second class citizen in any other country...u would not dare to say that to your motherland.
as far as Indias claims over buddhas birth place its not only the propoganda made by indians but the major part is western world loves to do that...Little knowledge is dangerous thing thats what western medias r facing these days. With white skin n blonde hair u cant always expect fair things...n there is also no point in giving justification to those craps coz truth speaks by itself... Ask any of the real boudhist where Buddha was born the answer will always be Nepal.
NO OFFENSES
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| ltrw |
Posted
on 30-Mar-04 04:34 PM
EVERY TIME I HEAR THIS TOPIC IT REALLY ANNOYS ME... HONESTLY IT DOES NOT MATTER WHERE THE HELL HE WAS BORN... I AM GLAD I CAME TO KNOW HIS VIEWS ON LIFE AND EXISTENCE..AND I BEILEVE THAT IS THE IMPORTANT BIT!
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| proudnepali |
Posted
on 31-Mar-04 02:44 PM
IT's THe INdian PRopaganda and THE Nepalese SIlence that had created this mis-identification. I wish the Related (Governmental and others) bodies do something about it. Again, NEPAL is considered as a HINDU country even though Buddhist and HINDU citizens might be equal in numbers. I can only guess, if that is one reason why No authoritative Nepalese voice had reached the west?
REgardless of what religion I believe in I see this INDIAN invasion (in terms of taking the credits as the birth place of Lord Buddha) as a BIG Threat to Nepalese identity. I will try my best to clear up the confusions of the Western People.
I am glad that NEPali007 brought this topic here. It is embarrassing to each of us NEpalese to here that BUddha was born In INDIA.
We gotta do something about it?? We cannot count on the days before unification. What we have in hand is what we have. If history was to be accountable.. NEpal might be half the size of the Present India.
There are thousands of legitimate proofs yet People try to confuse other people. THat's sick.
Jai Nepal
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| nepali007 |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 10:06 AM
Guys, thank you for you input and here a feed-back from me on your feed-backs:
1. Dyamn, yes you are right, its about his teachings, but at the same time its our identity. How are Nepali people known in this world ... Gurkha, Mt. Everest etc. And if you were to tell me that Oh we don't care if India says Mt. EVerest belongs to India, what matters is how tall it is, then I guess you are one of those passive person who is happy with what comes along. I am not makin' a statement about you but just an opinion based on what you wrote.
2. I agree, back in the days there was no such thing as unified Nepal. But just the fact that Lumbini lies within Nepal boundry, they need to mention Nepal in conjuction with Buddha's birthplace.
3. What we can do regarding this matter? Next time when you view a program or read and article which makes this mistake, you could at least writem them a note indicating their mistake.
4. Shaiva, does not matter what it looks like. Why do you have to be so shallow dawg. It does not matter how they look like, what matters is who they are, and they are Nepali as well.
We are the new, educated, liberal (hopefully) generation, and us having mindset like that is just sad.
Peace!
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| dyamn |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 12:30 PM
ya Nepali bro, what i wrote up there, it turned out like it'snot imporant to Nepal. I didn' tmean that way.. you're right.. It's important for us - for our identity :)
thanks
dyamn
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