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| nescient |
Posted
on 03-Apr-04 02:30 AM
There's a person I see in the mirror
Someone I know
Or maybe a stranger?
Has dark circles under the eyes
So much pain behind those eyes
Just looks back at me
Sliently screaming for help
Everyday of his life
I know,he just stares at the wall
All night long
Maybe it is his imagination
Maybe it is true
No one tries to find
No one believes
And calls him crazy
But the empty walls,in his room
Talks back to him
GIves him company
And maybe it is just for a while,
But the voices inside his head
Fills the emptiness of his life
When his friends aren't there
When he has no one to turn to
When there is no one,but him and the voices
the slient screamings listen to his pain
He is alive but he is dead
He is awake but he is asleep
He is there but he has drifted far away
Someone knows him but no one really cares
People say he is mad
Everyone around him despise him
And all of them analyze him
But I know he is only sad
Just as there would be no existence of cure without a disease
If insanity didn't exist,neither would sanity
It is two extremes at the end of a rope
One wearing a suit in a business meeting
Another in a padded cell in a special hospital
It is not a disease,I must say
It is a cure
for sadness
for misery
for pain
for the heartaches
Maybe someone will find the key to his twisted mind
Maybe someone will make the pain go away
maybe....
When a person talks to "God"
It is called a prayer
When "God" talks back to him
He is given the name schizophrenic?
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| SimpleGal |
Posted
on 03-Apr-04 12:10 PM
Nicely attempted Nescient! Some of the lines are very poignant! And the need for an opposite (sanity vs insanity) to appreciate the so-called "good" is well highlighted..Keep it up!
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 03-Apr-04 12:50 PM
Let me confess at first. For me, it takes a lot of effort to read poems longer than a few lines. I did it anyway, looking for negative justification for not reading lengthy poems, which usually I find- like redundancy, dilution, self-contradiction, ambiguity etc.
When I read the final four lines, I was speechless. Wow ! How poignant ! How profound !
When a person talks to "God"
It is called a prayer
When "God" talks back to him
He is given the name schizophrenic?
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| Meera |
Posted
on 03-Apr-04 12:54 PM
Nescient, you write such beautiful poems.
What's your secret?????????
Wish I could compose like you!!!!!!!!!!
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| nescient |
Posted
on 03-Apr-04 04:14 PM
thank you!
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| patali |
Posted
on 03-Apr-04 10:55 PM
Nescient, I have been a silent reader in all of your poems, I just could not resist myself without saying a word in such a stunning yet very poignant feelings associated in this poem.... A prayer and A Schizophrenia....yes indeed...elegantly expressed two extreme poles...brilliant style of writing and so are command of words and imagery...supreme piece of work!!!!!!!
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| niksnpl |
Posted
on 04-Apr-04 03:08 AM
khoob ramro!!!!!!!!
people used to call me schizophrenic.........but after reading your poem ( i started thinking that God is talking with me..........) heheheheh.............may be i will be next buddha,jesus, mohammmad and so on.......................
wa bhai wa!!!!!!!!WA BHAI WA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| nescient |
Posted
on 04-Apr-04 04:03 AM
naakh bhulyo :)
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 04-Apr-04 07:57 AM
"If you talk to God, you are praying; if God talks to you, you have schizophrenia."
- Thomas Szasz, Schizophrenia in The Second Sin, 1973
This is the original quotation, Nescient!!!!!
Reading a review of "The Anatomy of Melancholy" which is loaded with credited quotations, the reviewer strongly condemns the great injustice done to writers and poets when their words and phrases are stolen and misrepresented without attributing the credits to their rightful owners.
Nescient, I applaud that you attempt (as S. Gal stated) to write on popular topics concerning social ills, bear in mind that there are many (in Sajha) who are quite familiar with those subjects as well.
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| redstone |
Posted
on 04-Apr-04 08:20 AM
I have a shirt that says
"i hear voices...and they don't like you"
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| Laughing Buddha |
Posted
on 04-Apr-04 02:37 PM
:/
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| nescient |
Posted
on 04-Apr-04 05:39 PM
Sitara:Thanks for the original quotation.I started writing this one after reading the quotation.And yeah after watching the movie "Secret Window".
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| u_day |
Posted
on 04-Apr-04 07:46 PM
other nice poem from Nescient.
Bravo!!!!
Sitara ji! Thak you for noticing the quotation in her poem but you don't have to be hostile about it. I don't think nescient is gonna misquote or cut'n paste.
Anyway, has anyone see the movie "king of hearts"? The last line reminded me of the movie.
u_day
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| TitoMitho |
Posted
on 04-Apr-04 09:23 PM
"When his friends aren't there
When he has no one to turn to
When there is no one,but him and the voices"
Nescient, having lived away from home for several years and lived on my own for a long time, I've often felt the isolation and alienation behind these words. And you put that experience beautifully in words.
u_day, I think Sitara is right expressing her concern that the climactic lines of the poem are paraphrased from someone else's writings. The difficulty with attributing all ideas and words to their originators is that if we did that, we'd have to accredit almost every single thing that we write - since we've almost always heard those ideas/words from someone else!
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| nescient |
Posted
on 04-Apr-04 10:37 PM
TitoMitho: You are so right about "we'd have to accredit almost every single thing that we write - since we've almost always heard those ideas/words from someone else!"Everything that I have written so far if you go through each line....maybe once or twice in one's lifetime one must have said/thought/felt it.And yes I didn't think it was important to put the original quotation as many of us have heard that quotation many times.Atleast I had heard it many times.
And Sitara: if you have watched the movie "Secret Window" it is at the end of the movie when Jonny Depp is looking at himself in the mirror and talking....that's how I thought about the first line.
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| nescient |
Posted
on 04-Apr-04 11:50 PM
Uday: I was wondering why you had not responded....cause you always do.Thanks and you shall be hearing from me very soon.tring tring
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| SITARA |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 05:49 AM
My dear U-day, no hostility there. I'm sure you are well aware of plagiarism in academia. If you notice, Nepe ji has quoted those very same lines and yet, Nescient has not clarified that they are NOT hers to represent as hers.
Nescient, you don't have to quote every other person, you get an idea from; just the exact lines you use from someone else. Those are very famouse words by Thomas Szasz, I was just very amused that you tried to pass them as yours.
Well, good luck in your future endeavors.
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| Hellbound |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 06:39 AM
Nescient,
When eminent people cannot endure you, they call it nice “attempt”. But, I would call it excellent poem that you ‘wrote’.
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| ou812 |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 06:59 AM
The concern raised here is not about appreciation of the poem nor poetic skill, but rather of blatant plagarism.
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| Hellbound |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 08:20 AM
OU, that's right. She should have Plagiarized the words/quotes with clearly acknowledging source of that information.
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| nescient |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 08:32 AM
Reasons why I didn't put the original quote:
1)I am sorry people but I didn't know I was in an English class writing a paper(for crying out loud it's a damn kurakani board)
2)Llike I said before,as many of us have heard the quote so many times I didn't think it was important to mention the source(anyone who reads books knows it)
3)I thought it was already and clearly understood that it's a quote Thomas Szasz, Schizophrenia in The Second Sin, 1973(but my bad for thinking it was already understood)
4)It was late at night,all of us stoned and yes I couldn't find the original one to put it for you all
So,once again my apologizes who got offended by my "plagarism"
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| Hellbound |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 08:53 AM
I think people noticed plagarism, since the most touching piece of your poem comes from others idea; otherwise, people wouldn't notice it.
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| nescient |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 09:31 AM
I don't think it was a plagarism.Atleast that wasn't my intention.Misunderstanding,is what I would call it.I assumed everyone knew it but apparently not.So I have tried to explain myself,apologized but still if anyone thinks I did plagarized it and can't let go of it and want to be so anal about it well all I can do is show them my middle finger and say "sue me!"
And about stealing someone else's idea,maybe if I were born long time back I would have had the idea first?But oh yeah ifs and buts.I believe,people who have "twisted mind" go through same kinda phase and they all feel the same and just because one's idea is documented first doesn't necessarily mean that is his/her original idea.
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| *****er |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 09:40 AM
Alright..relax people...let this not put a stop to the onflow of touching poems and expressions that nescient has bestowed us with in the past.
I mean, are those few lines really worth discouraging Nescient from writing on sajha? Come on !
I don't believe plagiarism was her intention anyway. So calm down !
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| Qqest |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 11:08 AM
Nescient..
Your really do write good poems. Whether it is your own or influenced one. Some people are just jealous that they wish they could come up with skills like yours. They have got a big ego about being Pseudo-Intellect. They think they are all that when it comes to English Literature but infact these wannabes are just trying come up some big words here and there and practice their written English. But who cares..Post whatever you want becuase you are genius in your own ways and some wannabes have right to burn in thier own jealous sky.
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| nescient |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 12:41 PM
thanks for the support **sniff** **sniff**
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| TilKumari_Ko_Poi |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 01:17 PM
ajjha runches ?? thukka chorni ....HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKK Thukka !!
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| nescient |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 01:35 PM
Dad Stop it!And I wasn't crying.I was just poosing my sigan :)
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| u_day |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 03:35 PM
cheetara ji!
Thank you for emntioning about problem of plagiarism. As nescient said, it is not an english class for crying out loud. I think it is okey to quote somebody in article/poem and post them in kurakani without a citing the source as long as whole story is not cut-n-pasted. Using the tool of cut-n-paste is a big no, no in here.
In lighter note, if jason blair can plagiarise in NY times, why can't we ???..... lu ja
Nescient also mentioned that she was stoned when she posted the poem. Let's not stone her again;)
Instead, let's ask san da man which format we should use to cite sources. Whould we use APA or MAL format? what do you suggest?
u_day
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| nescient |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 03:45 PM
u_day always makes me smile with his weird sense of humor :)
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| hyaterica |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 03:53 PM
dead woman smiling ;)
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| Ashley |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 04:22 PM
Nescient simply superb! (Bowling over** how would u come up with such depths!) May be that’s what is called hidden-talents :)
On a side note, Qqest, why don't u post whatever you want to! I wanna burn in my own jealous sky! ;)
Ashley!
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| MNGuy |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 05:35 PM
Ashley, Its not that hard to make women jealous. :-)
j/k
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| nell |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 05:44 PM
Sitara has a point here. Alls she is saying is to express things that are not yours. If you notice in this thread, Nepe ji quotes the same exact words and Nescient reply is "thank you". He/She is trying to claim the credibility of something that are not his/hers which is not a right thing to do.
Some people here are taking it as a joke. I feel like laughing at you. Thank you...!!!
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| nescient |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 06:50 PM
I thought Nepe knew.My bad!
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| Dominatrix |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 07:25 PM
All im goin to say as brief as i can is...
Thanks alot Nescient for bringing forth that meaningful piece of a poetry and sharing with us Sajhaites .. who gives a dyamn whether it was your piece or not, the main thing is u bought it to light here in Sajha and for someone like me who has never heard of Thomas Szasz, i thoroughly enjoyed reading it.
Also.. shame on u, for those who are goin on about plagarism and saying, 'trying to pass it off as her own piece'... jeez, this is a discussion sharing board, not so dyamn examining board!
Nescient sis, dont be discouraged by some disgruntled snoots, please do bring to light and share some other nice post-worthy poems u have read.
Hee hee..that was not brief at all.. but hey its gotta be done.
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