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| ashu |
Posted
on 04-Apr-04 03:13 AM
As a NON-gay person who happens to be a long-time fan of Pedro Almodovar-directed Spanish movies, I, for one, believe that Nepali gays and tranvestites should have a
right to live with dignity in Nepal.
Whatever one thinks of homosexuality, the concept here is: What consenting Nepali adults (gaus or non-gays) do in the PRIVACY of their rooms (without harming others) should be their and their business alone -- and NOT the business of the state and its police force.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
***********
Gays seek right to live with dignity
Himalayan News Service
Kathmandu, April 2:
The gay community has now started coming out in the open, calling on the concerned authorities and society to listen to them and treat them as normal human beings who have a right to live with dignity.
Amid many cases of torture and discrimination against homosexuals, there is however, a positive side.Umesh Shrestha tells his story about how his family and neighbours accept him for who he is. "They love and respect me which is what a human needs. Aren't we all humans?" questioned Shrestha. According to him,even the educated people make the lives of homosexuals painful and consider our preference "unnatural."
Few countries have made laws for men having sex with men (MSM). "If pets have their rights in western countries, why can't Nepali government make laws for us?" Speaking at the public hearing for homosexuals, he further pointed out that there are MSMs who are supporting their families and need the government's support.
The programme was organised by Blue Diamond Society (BDS) in collaboration with the Forum for Women Law and Development (FWLD), Maiti Nepal, Pro Public, Nav Kiran Plus and Nepal Plus here today.
There are many who are forced to bear the brunt of society. Lakshman Gurung's (name changed) problems started at home. He realised his preference since he was seven but started moving in drags after meeting other homosexuals.
He had problems with his step-mother from childhood but it became worse when the police detained him with his friends, tortured and humiliated them by forcibly examining their private parts. Moreover, the police called in photographers who splashed their photos in various papers.
"I felt like committing suicide," he said. At home, his father and step-mother refused to acknowledge his presence. "People started hating me after finding about my sexual preference," he said. Eventually, he decided to leave home. His father did not offer any financial support and declined to give property rights as he was no longer his son.
One of his friends helped him and he worked at dance restaurants and discos for a living. His problems multiplied as he had to go out in drags at nights and face police harassment. He now works at the BDS and finds life to be much better.
Although awareness about the MSMs has gone up, they are still being discriminated against and abused by the police,said Sunil Babu Pant, director of BDS. "We haven't been able to achieve much despite our fight for equality and right to live with dignity," he said.
Emphasising that even the legal audit shows there are discriminatory laws against homosexuals, lawyer Sapna Malla Pradhan, however, said that gays are not fighting for their rights. The BDS members and homosexuals participated in the pride march from New Baneshwar to Maiti Ghar.
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| niksnpl |
Posted
on 04-Apr-04 03:14 AM
what about lesbian rights ni???????
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| ashu |
Posted
on 04-Apr-04 03:16 AM
In public discourse, the word "gay" is inclusive of lesbians too.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| Rastafariya |
Posted
on 04-Apr-04 12:23 PM
Yo Birader Peopal!
Yo them rich peopal with lots of knowlej and intelligent. Yes I is agree why them peopal not have them gay rights in da kingdom for them rich peopal.
As for I and I I not want any rights that them rich peopal in da west asking for. For I and I first thing I is have to get is equal right to life. I wants to live first so I is can look for gay , ungay and other kinds of right.
While I not even have right to democracy when them peopal wants to have gay rights. Yes them peopal needs them gay rights to go to them Hayatt, Soaltee and Yak & Yeti. Down here we is never have no discriminasion. I and I not have right to god why I ask right to gay? Them peopal not let I go to them temples of them god that I consider mine too.
I unnerstand that them rich high class peopal needs all them rights to put I and I down.
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| niksnpl |
Posted
on 04-Apr-04 12:56 PM
hey......you talk about equality..............and also complain about male dominated world....then why like this????????????????/
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| Rastafariya |
Posted
on 04-Apr-04 09:07 PM
Yo birader ! What them you is ask?
Why them you needs them gay rights when I and I is not have right to live? When I and I not have right to eat and breathe you is here asking them gay or ungay rights.
When them your peopal sucking da blood of my brothers here you is asking right for your sex while them peopal not even consider I human.
You ask I that birader. Them peopal only want to rule in da name of Democracy, Autocracy, Bureaucracy and Ghooshcracy.
So you want I again to ask for gay right? Didnt I give you right to rule I? Didnt I and I give you right to become them minister? Didnt I give you right to buy them big big Pajeros so that you is can go over them potholes in da kingdom? didnt I give you them right to buy all them nice nice things and send them your chilluns to foreign land so that them may get educasion come back and rule again?
What them you want I to do?
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| NappyROOTS |
Posted
on 04-Apr-04 09:29 PM
RASTA--- Man, please be yourself anf get rid of your fake accent or style of writing. Geez.
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| buzz |
Posted
on 04-Apr-04 10:05 PM
I second nappyROOTs, rasta please, have mercy on our poor soul and drop your accent.
about ashu's posting, shouldn't we be more concered about human rights, before we start reaching out to its branches (gay rights, women's right, etc).
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| karmapa |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 01:09 AM
A sneak preview of what might or might not be coming our way!!! A humor piece
Sent by , as a courtesy of washingpost.com
Enjoy!!!!!!!!
Karmapa
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A Scene at City Hall in San Francisco
"Next."
"Good morning. We want to apply for a marriage license."
"Names?"
"Tim and Jim Jones."
"Jones? Are you related? I see a resemblance."
"Yes, we're brothers."
"Brothers? You can't get married."
"Why not? Aren't you giving marriage licenses to same gender couples?"
"Yes, thousands. But we haven't had any siblings. That's incest!"
"Incest?" No, we are not gay."
"Not gay? Then why do you want to get married?"
"For the financial benefits, of course. And we do love each other.
Besides, we don't have any other prospects."
"But we're issuing marriage licenses to gay and lesbian couples who've
been denied equal protection under the law. If you are not gay, you can
get
married to a woman."
"Wait a minute. A gay man has the same right to marry a woman as I have.
But just because I'm straight doesn't mean I want to marry a woman. I want
to marry Jim."
"And I want to marry Tim, Are you going to discriminate against us just
because we are not gay?"
"All right, all right. I'll give you your license. Next."
"Hi. We are here to get married."
"Names?"
"John Smith, Jane James, Robert Green, and June Johnson."
"Who wants to marry whom?"
"We all want to marry each other."
"But there are four of you!"
"That's right. You see, we're all bisexual. I love Jane and Robert, Jane
loves me and June, June loves Robert and Jane, and Robert loves June and
me.
All of us getting married together is the only way that we can express our
sexual preferences in a marital relationship."
"But we've only been granting licenses to gay and lesbian couples."
"So you're discriminating against bisexuals!"
"No, it's just that, well, the traditional idea of marriage is that it's
just for couples."
"Since when are you standing on tradition?"
"Well, I mean, you have to draw the line somewhere."
"Who says? There's no logical reason to limit marriage to couples. The
more the better.
Besides, we demand our rights! The mayor says the constitution guarantees
equal protection
under the law. Give us a marriage license!"
"All right, all right. Next."
"Hello, I'd like a marriage license."
"In what names?"
"David Deets."
"And the other man?"
"That's all. I want to marry myself."
"Marry yourself? What do you mean?"
"Well, my psychiatrist says I have a dual personality, so I want to marry
the two together. Maybe I can file a joint income-tax return."
"That does it! I quit!! You people are making a mockery of marriage!!"
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Spousal Benefits for Gays at U.N. Challenged
By Colum Lynch
UNITED NATIONS, March 15 -- A bloc of more than 50 Islamic states, backed
by the Vatican, sought today to halt U.N. efforts to extend spousal
benefits to partners of some gay employees.
To view the entire article, go to
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61437-2004Mar15.html?referr
er=emailarticle
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| baadal |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 07:03 AM
Ashu wrote, "In public discourse, the word "gay" is inclusive of lesbians too." This is not what I have come across, especially if one is not a "gay man" -- for example the use of the phrase "gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender (GLBT)." Some caution needs to be used before one states what is used in "public discourse." Also, equating the rights to sexuality to the privacy of consenting people's rooms can be problematic because it puts forward a notion of homosexuality that is only about what happens behind closed doors --- makes it sound like it is only about who we have sex with, and not about who we are attracted to, feel for and love. For GBLT rights include feeling safe enough to be who you are in public as well -- in the context of Nepal, this might be seen in the light of metis being able to dress in drag without having to fear police/public harrassment.
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| Zombie |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 07:54 AM
I think this forum is not about what name you give to the individual with homosexuality but about the right they possess in the society. I think Buzz is right, in Nepal's context, its time to think about human rights before we even mention about gay rights.
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| baadal |
Posted
on 05-Apr-04 11:50 AM
it is important to ensure that the definition of human rights does not leave certain groups out...aren't women and gay people humans? if yes, then why should they be left behind as "branches" of human rights.
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