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| asia |
Posted
on 18-Apr-04 07:13 AM
Nepal khoje ko bela manjushree le yo desh ko sthiti pachhi gayera yesto hola bhanera socheko thiyena hola. Prithivi Narayan lai ta pachhuto nai pachhuto. Afno salik ko yesto dasha dekhera hola ki ekikaran garda ragat ra pashina bageko dekhera. Hunata uha Nepal sanga pahile nai frustrate bhai saknu bhayechha. Thesto mehinat garera ekikaran garyo, pachhi afnai grand grand son kasto buddhu, sabai Rana lai sumpechha. Tara waha le Tribhuvan lai chhahi Rana baat mukta garayeko le sarhai thanyabaad dinu bhayo. Tribhuvan swarga pugda ta bhabya swagat, waha pani sarhai khushi hunu hundhyo. Tara kehi din mai afnai chhora (Mahendra) le prajatantra ko paribhasa na bujhekole dukhi hunu bhayo. Chhora lai ali gatilo school ma na padhayera hola, America ma padhayeko bhaye democracy ko ramrai definition shikhthyo hola ra ahile nepal pani Singapore hunthyo hola.Tara bhaninchha grand father ko gun grand son ma janchha re, thesaile hola Birendra ali ramro bhayeko.
Uta B.P. Koirala ta bheri swarga baat prithivi ma aauna lagnu bhayeko thiyo, neta haru lai thik parna, tara visa na payera bechara. Khaas bhanne ho bhane pachhi uha ra Ganesh man ko bhet nai bhayena. Prithivi baat jana lagta, chitragupt le Ganesh Man lai sodhnu bhayo, Swarga jane ki Narka. Ek chhin Ganesh Man ji ta soch ma parnu bhayo, swarga ma jata to sabai lai ke answer dine democracy ko bare ma, ke thaha B.P le press conference garne ho ki. Hunta uha le jiudai, democracy ko rape bhayeko dekhihalnu bhayeko thiyo. Bechara G.P. ra K.P. ko jhanjhat ma fasera behaal. Thesai le waha narka mai jana man paraunu bhayo. K.P. bhattarai pani din raat theyhi sochadai hunununchha, decide garna na sakera Yamraj sanga kehi time mangnu bhayeko chha. Aba B.P. ko yeutai sapna chha, G.P.aaune bitikai, gala ma chatkan hanne ra Deuwa lai electric shock dine.
Nepal ko history herne ho bhane jasle pani sochana sakchha, yaha kati palta ra kati kisim ko democracy aayo. Ek palta 2007 ma (Prajatandra) jun 2017 ma naam change bhayera arkai kisim ko prajatantra ma change bhayo khoi ke naam thiyo,...ye panchayati byabastha. Pheri 2046 ma arkai kisim ko democracy, jun ki sachai ko democracy nai thiyena, ali kati 2017 ko modified version. Thyehi bela nai Raja lai hatayeko bhaye, maoist ko birth nai hudaina thiyo hola. Tara king Birendra ko ramro bichaar bhayera hola, uaha lai party haru le maan parayo ra waha lai thyehi samman diyo, sayad gyanendra jasto bhayeko bhaye, 2046 saal mai rajsatta samapta.
Yo sab lekhera maile afno maan haluka matrai gareko, America ma basera desh ko halat sudharana sakidai na bhanne malai thaha chha. Malai yo pani thaha chha ki Raja ra kunai neta le sajha ma gayera yo sab comments haru padhdai na hola, padheko bhaye sayaad sudhrinthyo hola ki.
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 18-Apr-04 08:08 AM
Well, asia, I hear you dude.
The reason our country is in a mess is because the leaders do not know the ABC of politics. If I remember correctly, Sardar yadunath Khanal, quite respected ( and quite over-rated) figure in nepali diplomacy and bureaucracy told his interviewer once: Yo desh ma politics dherai hoina, thorai bhayera bigreko- I quite agree with this. One of the leadership traits is consistency and the other equally important one is flexibility. These are the two basic leadership traits our leaders lack.
If you look at nepal after 2007 saal, then BP lacked flexibility. No matter what one says about Mahendra, Mahendra was a visionary leader. If BP was flexible enough to go along with Mahendra, then Nepal would be a lot better now. But, BP chose to do otherwise. The result: panchayat. Politics is power. Whoever is in power is legitimate. mahendra "seized the oppurtunity" and led the nation the way he wanted to.
After 2046, the KP -Ganeshman- etc. gang made the same mistake BP made betwen 2015-2017. The Constitution of Nepal has clearly divided the "Rajyastta" between the King, the Cabinet and the Parliament. The Political leaders, to suit their own political interest, tolaly diregarded this fact. Instead of having a friendly-working relations with the Palace, they opted for the collision. And it a human nature: everybody wants to be treated with respect. When the Parties failed to respect the King, and the constitution, it was asoj-14. In his carefully worded asoj-14 speech, the Kinga ctually gave some time to the Parties to think about their mistakes, and enter into a frinedly working relations with him. The Political Parties didn't just get the message. Do you think, the King waited a week to appoint Lokendra Bahadur Chand? No way. He wanted to restart the link with the parties, but the parties just didn't want to do with the King. This is where they showed the height of their stupidity and miscalculation and their hunger for power.
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| asia |
Posted
on 18-Apr-04 09:24 AM
I am 81% agree with you but you have to agree on the point that King knows these parties don't have freindly relation. Please note that Cat (Communist), Dog (Congress) and Monkey (RPP) cann't work in a team. They don't have freindly relation amoung there own party then how can you think for freindly relation between different party. From very begining parties had two group like Congress (36 K.P./74 G.P.), in communist (Makune/Oli), in RPP (Surya/Chandra), Sadvana (Gajendra/Mandal).
You have to also agree that King Gyanendra is also a visionary leader like his father. History is going to repeat soon. He is giving lessons to nepalese leader like coach teach players.
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| Rosie |
Posted
on 18-Apr-04 09:54 AM
You guys had some very interesting things to say up there...Yea, its probably the hunger for power that is driving all these leaders nuts, but I am just shocked at how selfish these leaders can be...not only selfish but STUPID!!! The communist party, the Congress party, all of them were the ruling party at one time or another since a multi-party democracy was established in Nepal. They didn't do JackSHIT during their reign and now that the king is trying to at least make the lives of Nepalis somewhat normal, they are protesting and trying to worsen the situation? And didn't all these bastards - Girija, Krishna prasad, deuba, etc. - go to jail and went through all kinds of hardships to bring democray in the country? At least that's what I heard...And now, that there is democracy, these people are completely abusing it. I mean you would think that if you fight so much to get something, once you get it, you would try to make the best of it. But here, its quite the contrary. Democracy has become a "bandar ko haat ma nariwal" in the hands of these pathetic leaders. I would love it if the King seized the power...
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| niksnpl |
Posted
on 18-Apr-04 10:08 AM
isolated freak!! you are talking as if you were the advisor of gyane during that period.....quite interesting hehehe.......that's why he is damn sure that gyane waited for one week.....
i can't stop laughing.........
i am wondering why so many gyane chamchhas here in sajha.......rosie welcome to gyane chamchha group hai....congrats to u........have fun.....who knows u can be next HM....
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| oys_chill |
Posted
on 18-Apr-04 10:13 AM
I agree hesitantly!
If we were so tolerant of these full fledged corrupted DEMOCRATIC leaders for 15 years, why can't we give a few years to the King? No, I am not a fan of Gyanendra. I can't imagine Paras is the descendant of the throne. But I do strongly believe again that the notion of KING is important to a country like ours-- for the sake of its unity and sovereignity. I see worse civil war to follow if nepal were deemed a republic.
ani tyaspachi, nepal lai farkera ni herna namilla!
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| pizzaguy |
Posted
on 18-Apr-04 10:15 AM
Yo..!! guys . You want the king to seize all the power??? Have you thought what might happen next.?? do u want the power to go to the hands of Paras..??
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| niksnpl |
Posted
on 18-Apr-04 10:22 AM
my personal solution!! let's see what people think about it!!
then make gyane PM, not king.....let's see what can he do???????
give him 5 years.......
what do you think guys.......and girls tooooooo.??????????
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| Rosie |
Posted
on 18-Apr-04 10:33 AM
niksnpl:
No, I am not a "Gyane chamcha" as you put it. Like thousands of other simple Nepalis, I also hoped that once democracy was re-instated in the country back in the 90's, things would dramatically change. But first we went through the whole phase where political parties kept fighting amonst themselves to get office...election was called for every six months...and then, the maoist crisis that has killed scores of young policemen who come from the lowest socie-economic background of our country. Can you imagine their plight or that of the wives and kids they left behind? And now, this state of frenzy all over the country that has made life in Nepal hell. Heck, we don't even care if there is democracy in the country anymore. Like other Nepalis, in retrospect we think about how life was prior to these political parties came along. Yes, the economy wasn't soaring back then, neither is it now, but at least you could go from one place to another safe. Your life wasn't being threatened. Heck, we don't even care if there is democracy in the country anymore. What does freedom of speech matter when your very life is on the line? So, its not that we want "Gyanendra" per se to rule but its more like we don't care who rules as long as they can at least provide some level of safety and security.
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 18-Apr-04 10:38 AM
Well, Oys, Rosie and Asia,
The thing is, King turned out to be a better leader than those who claimed to have read Marx, Lenin, Mao and Gandhi. The King seized the oppurtunity, and that's what matters the most in Politics. Nobody rules by the textbook rules. The international community was favoring the King (a diplomat was quoted saying, "The house of Nepal is on fire and the Parties are fighting for who gets to sleep in the master bedroom"). The King's action was seen by many Nepalis and the diplomats stationed in Nepal as the last resort to achieve peace and stability. This is why no one protested against it. The King is calculating his steps very carefully. And that's another great leadership trait. Of course, this all sound "naive" and "silly" to those who are not formally trained in Pol Science and to those who believe that everybody plays by the rules. Politics isn't a fair game. Whoever has the power, by whatever means, for the most part, is the sole legitimate ruler. And as I said in the otehr thread, those who seize the moment are the most respected leaders such as Kemal Mustafa Attaturk, Mahathir Mohammad, Pervez Musharraf, Charles deGaulle, Lee Kuan Yu, Mao Zedong, King Hussien, Yitzak Rabin and the list goes on. Leadership requires a willingness to take risks and to go against the tide. This is what Chanakaya wrote 2000 years ago, and this is what Machiavelli wrote 500 years ago.
Furthermore, its always easy to deal with one person at a time rather than 100 persons. Nepal's failed democracy of the last 15 eyars have finally taught that to us and our next door neighbors and our big donors. This is why, the west did not utter a single word against the King's move. This means, even the countries like the USA and teh UK, who promote the democratic ideals everywhere, supported the King hoping that he would be able to provide peace and stability, the same reason the democratic west supported the Pakistani President, Gen. Pervez Musharraf. Sometimes, democratically elected leaders can't just deliver because they have their own flaws and the infrastructures necessary aren't there to deliver. Furthermore, in a country like Nepal, the all out democracy was a catastrophe. We could have waited. The Political parties should have thought how to move teh nation forward or should ahve at least started laying foundations for the rule of law. Just holding elcetions and being in power isn't democracy and democracy itself doesn't solve any problem in a country like Nepal.
So, what we are seeing here is: The King trying to do something for the nation and bring about peace and stability and the political parties bent on stopping the King to achieve these goals. These idiots do not realzie that, sooner the King solves the problem the sooner they can rule in peace again. They just miscalculate everything. This is why they fall on the Maoist's trap every now and then. After loosing the credibility, they are now on the streets again for "peaceful" protests. Peaceful.. look at the pics of burning tyres, govt. vehicles.. How acn you term those acts peaceful? This in the short run might increase the parties' popularity, but in the long run, people would just despise them for these primitive protest techniques. And the biggest question these parties tend to ignore: Thanks to them, the mob is violent.. and there's no guaranty that the mob will all of asudden turn peaceful ocne these parties' are in power.. How are they going to deal with the similar breaking-burning protests when they are in power? Is there any way to stop this illeberal militant democracy from gaining grounds? I don't think so.. The political parties instead of training poeple to be liberal and peaceful are training them to be the exact opposite.. and sooner or later, this violent mob will eat them too!
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| niksnpl |
Posted
on 18-Apr-04 10:40 AM
(thums up) rosie!!!!!!!!!!
do you know, why are maoists killing those innocent people?? they are just dieng to save this gyane........
what is the main demand of maoists... republic of nepal......
i was also in favour of monarchy in nepal, but no more........
but i have left the option for gyane too....
be PM and try whatever he can do best.............
any comments rosie!!!
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| niksnpl |
Posted
on 18-Apr-04 10:43 AM
you evaluated 15 years of democracy, but you forgot 30 years of panchayat and 200 years of autocracy.........what did it give to us???
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 18-Apr-04 10:44 AM
Ah this was a weekend well spent. Hung out here for long. Now, until the enxt weekend, bye bye and adios. Keep the discussion going and see you all back next week. Good luck everyone with school and work.
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| niksnpl |
Posted
on 18-Apr-04 10:48 AM
isolated freak.....better u remain isolated in vacuum.............u can't make more people gyane chamchha with your long long bhasans............it's boring to read them all..........
the problem of isolated freak that he is in china....(it seems so)....
if he had been in europe, or us...he might have got some liberal thinkings........aka.i can't blame him even for his thinking....this isn't his fault....gyane has brainwashed him.....
he was advisor of gyane before he left to china...........
oh.......for that reward gyane sent him to china to be proficient to fight in favour of gyane...and he is taking training course in sajha............
good keep it up isoated freak.............gyane needs u...........
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| asia |
Posted
on 18-Apr-04 01:21 PM
Well, everybody has their own thinking, so Rosie and isolated_freak has. One thing i have to say here is, the people who involved in 2046 KRANTI better know the value of this existing so-called democracy. Its not a game that can happen number of times.
I remember the day when I was in RRM campus of Janakpur, how my friends were involved, beleive me they were not doing that for any kind of money or any personal benefit. I remember one 9th grade boy got nail in his toungue, coz he said panchayati byabastha murdabaad. I remember when two men shot dead by police. I have mentioned very few, i think many of us knows the price of it. Do you want to repeat these things again by giving all powers to King?
I know Nepal's problem is there is not a single good leader who devote himself for country.
Adding on Niksnepal comment, i would rather say, let see what happens when you do math like this:
King: Hradendra
PM: Gyanendra
Chief of Army: Paras
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| confused |
Posted
on 18-Apr-04 02:57 PM
King: Hradendra
PM: Gyanendra
Chief of Army: Paras
then asia bro..nepal can be called Iraq when it was ruled by Saddam Hussian :)
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