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| Prem Charo |
Posted
on 21-Apr-04 03:22 PM
Friends,
This is how democracy exercise in Nepal ? Where is the party policies and ethics. No wonder democracy doesn't work in Nepal.
These kids know what they are fightin for? Draging kids in the street for protest, giving money to participate in protest are not fair democratic exercise at all.
I think parties should organize protest in a morally upright way.
Prem Charo:)
Hawaii
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| An Indun Poet |
Posted
on 21-Apr-04 04:11 PM
This picture hardly looks like the kids are participating in a rally. Neither do they seem to be shouting anything. They just seem to be smiling. There are 2 guys-- one of them holding a flag and another probably shouting anti-monarchy slogan.
Nepalnews.com is actually a Royal loyalist-- you can see that they try to show pictures where vehicles are being burnt, where railings are being taken down. I agree that the so called "peaceful" protest is not really so "peaceful".
Like Kanakmani Dixit said, amongst the 3, the king, the maoist and the parties-- there is no question whom to chose.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 21-Apr-04 05:03 PM
>giving money to participate in protest are not
>fair democratic exercise at all.
Guess what, you don't need proof to write anything, do you?
nonsense chirping charo, prem charo.
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| Megalomaniac |
Posted
on 21-Apr-04 05:05 PM
Well the question is not if these kids are shouting slogan or not. The question is who brought them out in the street? The school kids who are not even elligible to vote are being dragged to streets. The country which once used to be known as "zone of peace" has no peace at all. A mother worries for her child safety until s/he is back from the school. The people in rural area cannot sleep in peace with the fear of maoist abducting them for thier so called 'people militia'
Kanakmani Dixit said, "amongst the 3, the king, the maoist and the parties-- there is no question whom to chose. " There is no question of chosing one.True. we need all three, but what we want is the peace among these three entities of our country. All three should compromiose and work together for the betterment of the country. Yes, the key word here is COMPROMISE; the only way out, if there is any, to the present situation in nepal is through "table talks". The killing has not done any good or will do any good in future. Things are getting far beyond 'control'.
Yes, one can argue the table talks were tried earlier on but was of no use. But one should always seek a way out through a peaceful manner.For peace can only be brought through peace itself not via violence. We can call UN, norwegian government or even British government to act as an " intermediators". There is no shame in asking help. I think it is time for nepal to seek forgien help to resolve this conflict even if this is our internal matter.
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| Prem Charo |
Posted
on 21-Apr-04 06:54 PM
Biswo,
In Nepal, It is very common thing that, people get paid for protest. It was happining from Panchayati System. When people needed for party protest or Sarkar sawari people were getting paid.
Now a days all parties are doing the same thing that was happening before. Because of uneducated people and corrupt leaders It is not surprising.
As you said >>nonsense chirping charo, prem charo<< have you ever seen yourself in mirror ?
Megalomaniac,
I agree with you. You got some valid points here.
An Indun Poet,
>>his picture hardly looks like the kids are participating in a rally. Neither do they seem to be shouting anything<< I think this picture can give your answer.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 21-Apr-04 07:41 PM
Premcharo:
I don't have to see in mirror. You need to stop shouting nonsense and things that don't have proof. I don't think the kids are paid. I am against using kids in any political activities but to say that protestors are paid is nonsense. Yes, in Nepal it is not uncommon to pay to bring around king's felicitation, and you probably know quite a lot about that too.
When I said nonsenses, I also referred to your other assertions such as Biswo=nksnpl and referring others as 'Biswa ko chamcha'. How do you prove those things? Just because I didn't rebut it there doesn't mean you have right to claim whatsoever. I just want you to be more civil with me, don't go around cursing me and don't involve me everywhere.
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| M.P. |
Posted
on 21-Apr-04 07:54 PM
Biswo,
You can claim anything here. All the Radio Nepal karmachaaris, members of FNJ, doctors, women -- basically, everybody in the street now -- are hired by the politicians. If somebody asks for evidence, I can throw another generalized statement and evade the question. You know what I mean!
More later; let me go and collect my salary Nepali Congress pays me for supporting democracy in this forum. :)
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I agree that school level students should not be pulled into politics or to the street, but the discussion here is whether they have been "dragged" into the street. True, if they have been dragged, politicians are committing a crime. BUT this CANNOT be used as an excuse to defend Maila Hitler who has been turning a deaf ear to the protests even to the 21st day! If Maile Hitler listens to the people, the politicians wont even have to drag the students to the street.
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| Prem Charo |
Posted
on 21-Apr-04 08:04 PM
Bishow,
"nonsense chirping charo, prem charo" What the hell does it mean? When I wrote "giving money to participate in protest are not fair democratic exercise at all" You came up with theses brainless, dazed, deficient, dense, dim, dodo, doltish, dopy, dotterel, dull, dumb, foolish, futile, gullible, half-baked, half-witted, idiotic, imbecilic, inane, indiscreet, insensate, irresponsible, meaningless, mindless, moronic, naive, nonsensical, obtuse, pointless, puerile, senseless, sluggish, stolid, stupefied, thickheaded, trivial, unintelligent, unthinking, witless comment.
If you cant resist my writting, don't comment at all, But I will keep writing. If you can stand you can write too!! If you wanna escape that's fine. Nobody is stopping you.
Challenging Charo : Prem Charo:)
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| Rastafariya |
Posted
on 21-Apr-04 08:11 PM
It is all them biraders peopal who is always tryin to get more and more monies eve if them whole country is burns down.
Them PEOPAL who them keep I and I down.
Them peopal is da one that teach all them things to kids and bring them to them places of their dirty Politics.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 21-Apr-04 08:59 PM
>If you cant resist my writting, don't comment at
>all, But I will keep writing
Yea, keep writing. I don't know what the hell you mean by this statement, doesn't make any sense to me at all.So, my suggestion is write something rather than blunt personal comments and lies.
I mean, like MP said, how much do you pay to Doctors? How much do you pay to Manjushree Thapa to participate in protests? How much you pay to engineers and professionals to be ready to be lathi-charged? How much do you pay to thousands of people participating everyday? How much will you pay to journalists who are in the road? How much you pay to Kanak Dixit and CK Lal? You don't have any answer. Because probably your only experience of past consists of being an organizer of Pancha-ryaali, so you know quite a few about paying people.
Listen, all I am trying to say is keep sajha free of your nonsenses, and keep me out of your ranting. You are trying to be a joker, you are trying to be funny here, I understand that much, but don't make any joke on me. I don't like your attitude. I don't like you calling others my chamcha. I treat others with dignity, and I hope you will do the same. I hope I am becoming clear. Look at your who's who thread, where I so respectfully told you that I don't have any other names except only twice-used newStudent. You went on guessing about me even further. You didn't have to provoke me. Don't try to be nasty and personal against me. I hope I am clear by now.
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| buddu |
Posted
on 21-Apr-04 09:21 PM
It seems dooon ya kwasi is better for nepalis than democracy.
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| KaleKrishna |
Posted
on 21-Apr-04 10:45 PM
It is not a matter of who paid for these kids to be around. It is a question of leaving them alone to pursue their job i.e to study. These are our futures and if their education and way of thinking is tinkered with at this age they will grow up the same way.
The protestors who ever they be; should have a certain norm and ethics about the protests they carry out. Democracy should not be defined only as a way of attaining immediate goal, but attaining a goal in such a way that it ensures overall progress for times to come. After all, who ever support the cause of commiting a mistake to counter a mistake commited by other does not help end the cycle. It has to be refuted strongly, and ethical approach should be employed, every event happening today will go on to be history in future and will directly bear the consequences of events to come in future.
No blame games for me; ethics and norms should dictate any happening if rule of law is to be established.
Badta janne huna khojne-kale
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| An Indun Poet |
Posted
on 22-Apr-04 01:00 AM
Guess where the 2nd picture came from -- again Nepalnews.com-- the loyalist mouthpiece which has a very difficult time (just like Gorakhapatra and others) to renounce what is going on in Nepal.
Those of us in the US try to see it with the American ways-- which is really a very good thing.
But the people of Nepal lack the same vision as Prem Charos and the rest of us in the US. They are probably not as educated and may not know Democracy. But people have tasted Democracy and they have tasted autocratic rule for how long?? People know the difference.
You call out the names of "Netas" and the corruption-- what about Gyane swallowing 67 crore every year for himself huh?? what about him with 15 crore luxury cars?? What about the expenses occured for the felicitations? what about the corruption which is still going on under Gyane's nose by the present government?? What about the kickbacks? What about the recent hydel-projects given to the Indians.......... And do we have a voice?? Prem Charo and the likes... whom I call "Royal Asswipes" don't seem to be bothered, why? Probably they have close ties with the Palace and their fathers and Uncles might be getting kickbacks from Arms sale, get paid in USD for Bhotekoshi project from NEA, ......
You have 4 options-- stay aloof, Maoist, King and the Political parties (democracy). You make the decision.
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| Hellbound |
Posted
on 22-Apr-04 06:39 AM
Mr. Hilarious Charo jyu slipped up little bit on his statement by using the term ‘money.’ To make it politically correct, I would say young students could have been getting paid for coming forth in the rally. The incentive could be bottles of Coke or Fanta, or Candies or Chocolates….. Now, talking about compensation, one can say there is no proof that these kids are getting paid for that, and by the same token, I would say there’s no proof that these kids ARE NOT getting paid for that.
It doesn’t matter how these kids are brought to the streets; those who drag them on the streets for political fights and feuds are to be blamed as everyone agrees. Today, these kids – who we are arguing here for – are waving political flags, and tomorrow if the situation continues, these students are more likely to come forward, carrying guns and weapons. Will that make you all happy because kids and college students, who are deprived from their school and education, are coming forward to escalate the protests against regression?
And, you don't need any proof to speak up in these forums. Basis can be anyting: the way of society, self-experience, readings or whatever...
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| sense |
Posted
on 22-Apr-04 07:13 AM
why do u loose ur nerves on personal stuffs..what has ones name got to do with when it comes in a discussion of politics, infact if u guys r residing in USofA then what the hell had bill clintons personal relations had to do with his profession, our difficulty in resolving a problem is we take matters very personally. What has panparag gotta do with KP bhattarai politics?
The form here is for discussion not for using ur vocabulary to bash others.
As for the topic I found it extremely shameful that they got children on the road but there was a pic(I couldnt find it today) where police were hiding behind the wall n the children were passing by...if our current regime was so people oriented then isnt it the responsibility of police to provide safe passage for the students, rather than hiding their own heads.
As far as paying the pretestors is concerned, I would say I had been paid aswell..free dinner n beer after hard days tyre burning work...ha ha. Thats how it works. LALU PRASAD THEORY gotta have some influence to his neighbours isnt it?
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| Rastafariya |
Posted
on 22-Apr-04 07:44 AM
Who them is da leadars? It is them I and I? Looka at them leadars. Them educasion and intelligence leadars. Them all looka same and think same. Them only think of them Democracy and sacrifice other peopal.
Do I want them Democracy of them Big big houses and Pajeros? Democracy of them Corrupsion is good for I and I?
No peopal answa my quesion. Do I wants them Democracy that we is been having?
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| niksnpl |
Posted
on 22-Apr-04 12:18 PM
OH OH!!!!
WHY SO MUCH GUESSING GOING ON HERE??????????
YOU GUYS STAY IN US and forgot everything about nepal, AND SEE ONE TWO ODD PHOTOS AND START SPECULATIONS AND MAKE YOUR OWN STORY..........
Here is the story:::::::::
If you can notice, the building in background is ASCOL, aka......Amrit Science College.............and there are 4 Government schools in that area........So that Area is full of students..........both types...............
now those kids saw those guys, doing exciting things, and due to very simple child nature, they went to see those things.........
NOthing to be surprised about that............
ONE suggestion::
Try to find out reality first.............
Don't compare US with Nepal..............
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| Megalomaniac |
Posted
on 22-Apr-04 10:06 PM
Nikspal thanks for the suggestion.
Well what is the reality ? ASCOL ? four government school ?Excitment?? duh!! whatever the reality is you cannot ignore the fact that these kinda excitment do affect the children's psychology.
"Don't compare US with Nepal....." Well just a little reminder to you,nikspal, no one here is comparing US with Nepal.
How about taking your thinking to higher level? That might help you to observe not only where these things are happening but also to think what these things happening in these areas can do to a growing child mentality.
and yeah onething brother/sister, Do you envy the nepali ppl in US ? just outta curiosity....
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| Megalomaniac |
Posted
on 22-Apr-04 10:08 PM
got ur nick wrong...it should have been spelled as "niksnpl". Pardon my spelling error. :)
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| Jayaa Shamvho !!!! |
Posted
on 22-Apr-04 10:20 PM
Niksnpl ji,
Please enlighten me here "ONE TWO ODD PHOTOS " / "Try to find out reality first"..
Are these pics are fake ? What do you mean by reality??
Megalomaniac,
You have a valid point. I didn't see anybody comparing US with Nepal. In fact, If these two countries are comparable, wouldn't be great ??
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| Prem charo |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 02:25 PM
Friends,
Police caught some protesters boosed up. They supposed to be parties responsible personalities. I don't wanna give their name so Please don't ask. It is not about the person it is about the party ethics.
What can we expect with thease netas ??
Prem Charo :)
Hawaii
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| niksnpl |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 02:55 PM
what can you expect with gyane?????///
WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT WITH GYANE???????????
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| M.P. |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 03:09 PM
Dear friends,
Scientists just found out that the earth is flat. "I do not want to give [the name of the scientists] so Please don't ask."
PC,
If you know what you are writing about, have the guts to post the names and the source. Otherwise, would you believe what I just posted above -- addressing "dear friends"?
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Some people never seize to amuse me. Thank you for making this boring day wonderful!
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| Prem Charo |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 10:47 PM
Biswo and M.P Bros:
What the hell are you talking about? Are you drunk or something my friend? Does sarcasm make any sense to you at all or you need a blunt direct comment? Silly man..........................
Ayo malai mal jaro prem charo
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| M.P. |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 11:15 PM
Prem-ji,
Seems like you did not understand MY sarcasm, dear friend! Sometimes it is wise to keep quiet than speak up and reveal your ignorance!
I quit drinking more than a month ago. I drink mild drinks occassionally, but I do not post here -- especially on an issue like this -- when I am tipsy. This issue is too serious to be made fun of, or to be discussed under the influence. So whatever I write here, you can assume I am serious about it (unless, of course, when it a sarcasm which everybody else but you understands!)
Have a good night,
M.P.
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| Prem Charo |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 11:37 PM
Biswo:
I know the issue is very sensitive but nothing we can do about it. Kothe ra Othe rajnitile matra kehi hudaina.
Nepal is in this state of political and economic uncertainty because then prime minister Sher Bahadur Deuba handed power to the king . He dissolved the democratically elected parliament because he had a utter disagreement with Girija Prashad Koirala. he went to darbar at midnight wicked drunk to ask for one full year of entension to conduct the election. He thought he had an adge to fight the election as a sittting prime minister.
And you are pissed off with king? Girija did the same thing back in 1994 after an altercation with Kishunji.
So don't take it very seriously my bro.
prem charo
Hawaii
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