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| Prem Charo |
Posted
on 21-Apr-04 07:33 PM
Nepal has failed to fight corruption
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Nepal has failed to combat corruption despite having good anti-corruption laws, the Transparency International has said in its Global Corruption Report 2004, released today.
Nepal has the Anti-corruption Act, it conducted investigation on property owned by different people at different high level posts at different times through the Judicial Investigation and Probe Commission on Property, the Commission for the Investigation of Abuse of Authority is also working for wiping out corruption and the National Surveillance Centre has been established for the same purpose but corruption still prevails, the report has mentioned.
The report has identified Indonesia, the Philippines, Zaire, Nigeria, Serbia, Yugoslavia, Haiti, Peru, Ukraine and Nicaragua as the countries with most cases of corruption adding the former presidents and head of the governments of the respective
nations are the most corrupt persons in the world, who have earned as much as $1million to $100 million illegally.
The report also has indicated that the political leaders are the propagators or corruption world wide."The problem (of corruption) includes a wide range of acts committed by political leaders before, during and after leaving the office," the report states.
The report has identified vote buying as a major problem in Asian countries —the Philippines, Thailand, Taiwan and Japan. The report also says that rampant corruption prevails in development programmes in China.
The report, released by TI Nepal branch, here today said that lack of political will among the leaders is one of the main cause of corruption in the countries.
"Laws regulating political finance must be followed up with the effective enforcement," the report states. This means that independent oversight agencies must be endowed with powers to supervise, investigate and, if required, institute legal proceedings in cases of electoral malpractices.
The report has lauded the adoption of the UN Convention against Corruption by the Mexico meeting in December 2003, which is the first global instrument to fight against corruption in an international level. "The Convention breaks new ground, particularly in relation to the provision on cross-border recovery of assets, but more is needed if it is to have a significant impact on reducing corruption," the report added.
TI Report. March 4 2004
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| ashu |
Posted
on 21-Apr-04 08:08 PM
Why are Khum Bdr Khadka and Govinda Raj Joshi, to name two corrupt netas, active
in the ongoing Andolan?
Because, for a variety of reasons, their political colleagues do NOT have the heart to
tell them: "You know what, you guys have become our liabilities, not our assets. Your
being with us erodes our own credibility in the eyes of the public, in our fight against corruption and other ills. And so, the cost of having you on board is much higher than what we can publicly afford in terms of where our party wants to go next. Personal friendships aside, we do NOT want you as active karya-kartas/netas anymore.
Good luck, and goodbye."
Can the peers of Khadka and Joshi do that?
They simply cannot.
Likewise, most Nepalis do sincerely rail against the CONCEPT of corruption in all its ABSTRACTION, but do not want to create personal enemies in the process by
investing a lot of time and resources to take on such corrupt individuals.
Why?
Simply, the costs are too high, and the benefits, too vague.
After all, noobody in Nepal has EVER won a medal, or for that matter public
approbation, for his or her "fight against corrupt individuals."
For most Nepalis, taking such a clear, sharp and focussed stance would also mean turning against their own friends, parents, ista-mitra and relatives and village-folks
and so forth . . .and, let's face it, NOBODY really wants to be "that kind of a total
jerk" against corruption.
True, some clever individuals try to remain above the fray, by trying to remain
ALOOF from "corrupt" individuals, but, let's face it, that too is a cop-out.
What's the solution?
I don't know.
I am as puzzled as anyone else.
But:
Unless a few copies of Nepali Ralph Nadar emerge, and lead movements against corruption as a full-time obsession (regardless of whether there is money in the field or not) and are NOT afraid to make even powerful enemies, the talks about corruption,
like those about poverty, are destined to remain just that: collective hand-wringing followed by a cocktail reception at 5-star hotel in the capital of our favorite
developing country.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| Makar |
Posted
on 21-Apr-04 08:39 PM
"Unless a few copies of Nepali Ralph Nadar emerge..." EMERGE, yes, not fall from Moon or Mars. For that Nepal needs Rule of Law. "Above the law" Kings and their families are the biggest obstacle for the emergence of Ralph Nadar wannabes. It is astonishing why Nepalese do not see the direct relationship between monarchy and corruption.
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| Rastafariya |
Posted
on 21-Apr-04 08:47 PM
Wow ! birader Makar, You is needs to go them take some bathing in da river.
You already forgots last decade of them Democracy? Them time when them was full Democracy. You was sleeping?
All them biraders got many Democracy like them RNAC, Lauda, Contracts, Pajeros, Big big houses that was never there before them Democracy.
You never see them Rule of Law in them Airport called Vansaar? Them had many Rule of Laws there. Them was Rule of Law in them Doorsanchar, Yatayaat, Nepal Oil Nigam etc.
Dont be comin here and tellin lies that them was no Rule of Law or them Democracy.
Some of them Democracy is still in them Swiss Bank, Hong Kong Shanghai Bank.
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| nsshrestha |
Posted
on 22-Apr-04 07:35 AM
Ashu,
Do we not share the same blame? They bought us, but on the other hand, we let them buy us. They were elected and we elected them time and again.
You don’t have to go very far to find Ralph Nader. They are in every street corner now, being beaten by police, and still voicing - The mother of all the corruption should be stopped. But you chose to be not to be the part of it.
I am not showing solidarity with Khum Bahadur or Govinda Raj. But there is a greater cause to fight for.
Asked Dronacharya – What do you see Arjun? Arjun replied – Guru I see nothing but the eye. Well, you denounced to be Arjun.
If I am Myopic, please be my spectacles!!!
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| An Indun Poet |
Posted
on 22-Apr-04 08:17 AM
What about Gyane's New Home in England? What about his Bank Account in Switzerland?
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| ashu |
Posted
on 22-Apr-04 09:15 AM
nsshresha wrote:
"They were elected and we elected them time and again."
Well, representative democracy is all about having choices. But what choices did we
have anyway? Take the example of Krishna Prasad Bhattarai. Bhattarai may be a likeable fellow in some context, but his case illustrates where our representative democracy went awry.
Bhattarai was elected as an MP from Parsa zilla.
Did he have a home there?
No.
Had he done anything for Parsa?
No.
Was he in any way committed to Parsa?
No.
Yet the voters there elected him as their representative to the then parliament,
After he was elected, did he do anything for Parsa?
No.
In other words, the Nepali Congress's communist-like Politburo aka Central Committee decided that Bhattarai would run from Parsa, and the voters there ended up not
having much of a choice in terms of who they wanted as an NC candidate to better represent them.
If anything, by dividing many professional bodies, the bureaucracy and even the police force along stark party-political lines, our political parties (especially the Nepali Congress) DECREASED our collective degrees of freedom, our degrees of
independence in the last 12 years.
That is why, in Nepal today, you don't find just an engineer. But a Congressi engineer
or an UML engineer. You don't find just a human rights activist. But an ideologically motivated Congressi human rights activist or a RPP or a UML human rights activist.
And so on and on.
Unless the political parties change their leadership by retiring their over-the-age-of-60 leaders and begin on a totally fresh page, there is NOT any hope for their redemption
at all. They will just muddle along, and the last thing people in Neal want to see is thesame old jokers BACK as MPs.
[In Nepal, almost 13 million people are under the age of 20 -- too young to remember 2046 saal, much less respect BP ko sapana.]
I mean, if Girija and Madhav Nepal REALLY want this Andolan to succeed, why can't they do an "aa.ma.ran un.shun"?
IN doing so, what do they have to lose anyway? If they die, then they become heroes. If they succeed , then, too, they become heroes. But they do not even have the moral strength to fight to the finish for their convictions . . . and so, they let the students be the sacrificial lambs in this Andolan.
As for the King, let me say that: As any competent player of that ultimate strategy game, otherwise known as chess, knows, if the King moves around too much on his
own on the board, then, the chances of him walking into a checkmate become higher and higher - doing the King no good. The King's movement can only take him so far.
And so, the challenge for the political parties is NOT so much as to keep on sacrificing the pawns, but to go for a checkmate or settle for a draw with an increased
bargaining power.
So far, the parties have displayed NEITHER an agenda for a checkmate nor an agenda for a draw.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| niksnpl |
Posted
on 22-Apr-04 12:41 PM
I DON'T AGREE, NEPAL IS FAILED..........................
I KNOW THAT THIS PREM CHARO HAS FAILED MENTALITY..........
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| andolan_61 |
Posted
on 22-Apr-04 03:09 PM
There are lot of discussions about Monarchy, democracy and corrupted leaders here in sajha.
I still think that Nepal never had full democracy and its time to decide whether you want monarchy or full democracy like Narahari Acharya said. I don't think there is any middle line like it used to be.
Ashu brought up a couple of issues here about " Why govinda and Khum Bahadur are in Andolan" ?
- Everyone is aware that this andolan is for democracy and eveyone has freedom to participate in andolan plus they aren't convicted as Khusia yet from AAktiyar so i don't think any one has right to say to them not to participate in Andolan. I think people are the decision-makers so neither Ashu nor anyone else can judge about their Participation. I hope next election will decide their Faith. I want to clear you guys that I am not supporting Govinda or Khume but I am just talking about the democratic way.
I think Monarchy is the main obstacle in democracy. The government of 2046 talked about charging a corrupted leader back in 2047 but they found that most of the corruption had connection with royal family so they stopped that issue. I still think that ratio of corruption is big in panchayat era than last 12 years but since there are more transparency and opposition party, people are aware of corruption in last 12 years
Ashu brough another question here” if Girija and Madhav Nepal REALLY want this Andolan to succeed, why can't they do an "aa.ma.ran un.shun"? “
- Ashu, there are many way you can do andolan right now. You should be aware that BP koirala did amaran Ansan back in Panchyat era and that was last option at that time. In current semi democratic situation, I don’t think Girija or Madhav should go for “amaran Anasan” to get international or national Attention. I think Gyane has access of internet and all other devices and he can find the situation of Nepal in national as well as international media.
Last thing, netas can be changed. If People doesn’t like any netas, they have right to elect someone else in next election but what about King? Who can change king if he doeswrong thing. Who has right to sack him? That’s why I am supporting Netas rather than King.
Ashu, I read somewhere that you hold a degree from one of the reputed school in the world. I want to ask some question to you.
- Which period of time has more development, Panchayat era or 12 year democracy?
- In which period of time, people has more right about showing their displeasure against government ?
- In which period of time, there is more transparency.
I think it’s time to decide whether you want monarchy or full democracy!
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| An Indun Poet |
Posted
on 22-Apr-04 03:48 PM
Ashu, why don't you come back to the US, get married (for Greencard) and run for Senator from Massachusttes.
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| An Indun Poet |
Posted
on 22-Apr-04 03:51 PM
Let me correct.
Why don't you go back to the US, get married (for US citizenship) and run for Congress as an Independent.
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| thaag |
Posted
on 22-Apr-04 04:07 PM
(prem) chari ko kaha chha ra ghara, ye saila rat katyo dali ma basera..........
Nepal kahile k ma pass bha theyo ra ahile fail bho bhanera chinta garnu??
Pas hune kuro fail bhaye po chinta, sadhai fail hune lie kun naulo bho ra? hoina chari??
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| ashu |
Posted
on 22-Apr-04 06:56 PM
Andolan 61 wrote:
"Ashu, I read somewhere that you hold a degree from one of the reputed school in the world. I want to ask some question to you."
Just one thing, here in public: I have absolutely NO interest in being a victim of my
alma mater's reputation. Sure, I have the greatest of respect for and even pride in my alma mater. But, as my own person, I really do NOT want to define myself (or would want other people to define me) for the rest of my life on the basis of where I went to school. If anythng, I would want to work work hard, take risks and earn my keep rather than coast along breezily, as some kind of a poster-boy, on the basis of where I went to school. So, please, you can ask these questions and more, WITHOUT prefacing them by bringing up my alma mater's kura.
In other words, for me, the whole of a person is more significant than the sum of his parts.
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"- Which period of time has more development, Panchayat era or 12 year democracy?"
My answer: 12 years of democracy
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"In which period of time, people has more right about showing their displeasure against government ?"
My answer: 12 years of democracy.
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- In which period of time, there is more transparency.
My answer: Adjusted for 'relativity', it's hard to say. Thanks to the Nepali press, our knowledge of who is corrupt increased dramatically in the last 12 years even while our political-legal system buckled down to the same kind of failure as before in not being to do anything about them in any satisfactory way.
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My point: We do NOT live in a binary world in Nepal. In other words, if you criticize the party, that does NOT mean that you are supporting the King per se. I criticize the parties here because I do have higher hopes for them, and, as a citizen, am utterly frustrated when they display a lack of strategic directions, and seem to muddle along with a huge credibility gap betweem what they say and what they do.
Unless the parties do something to plug that gap, they'll have a hard time convincing many people that the parties do hold the interests of the majority. That is why,
before the change in Narayanhiti, the change in party leadership is crucial.
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IP wrore:
"Ashu, Why don't you go back to the US, get married (for US citizenship) and run for Congress as an Independent."
I am NOT interested in running for a seat in the US Congress. I don't think I can do
much there, much less win a seat. But since Nepal is the countty I love and since this
is the country that's brimming with tons of potential, since this is the country where a little bit of effort in the right diection goes a long way, I may run for a public office
here someday (maybe as an independent). We'll just have to see how these things
turn out. :-)
More later.
oohi
ashu
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| makar |
Posted
on 22-Apr-04 08:21 PM
Brother Fariya, you are the unquestioned emperor of this forum. If you say the earth is flat, I shall accept it. But my dear friend, given a choice between the devil and the deep see, what will you accept? I am very afraid of devils, it devours you without giving you an opportunity to cry for help. As for the deep sea, sharks and all, I can still cry for help, swim for a while, or get rescued by some international humanitarian organisations. Having made my point, I respectly submit myself to whatever ruling you make on this issue. Don't give up the fight, my dear commander of mo mo soldiers.
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| andolan_61 |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 07:42 AM
Most of the people agrees that politics is dirty game and i also believe it is dirty game but there should be democracy in country for freedom, peronal values and develoved and peaceful Nepal. We need political party to run democracy properly. Like i mentioned earlier, people has always right to good leader to lead democracy in Nepal and i also think it's lengthy process. Now, we are in crucial time and we have multiple choices between king, Moiast and king and i defintly have to say party because it is best among these three....
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