| Username |
Post |
| dirty_harry |
Posted
on 22-Apr-04 06:40 PM
Should Gyanendra abdicate??
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| makar |
Posted
on 22-Apr-04 08:27 PM
Please re-phrase the question: Will he?
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 22-Apr-04 10:02 PM
Simple Answer: No King :-)
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| Jayaa Shamvho !!!! |
Posted
on 22-Apr-04 10:08 PM
Practical answer: He is the one :)
(Only if he practices social and political equality)
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| makar |
Posted
on 22-Apr-04 11:04 PM
"Only if he practices social and political equality"? Can he?
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| M.P. |
Posted
on 22-Apr-04 11:58 PM
He can. But WILL he?
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| niksnpl |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 12:44 AM
OF COURSE!!!!!!!
NO KING!!!!!!!!!!!!
HE WON'T, BUT HE WILL BE FORCED............
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| An Indun Poet |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 04:30 AM
hope he goes, then there will be hope for Nepal.
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| GP |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 05:16 AM
It is politics. Politics is a dirty game. In politics, you have to negotiate.
The winner is the one who can negotiate at the most difficult situation
and saves himself from the crisis. Ability to negotiate is not sufficient,
but, how much share in power you get at the end of negotiation is
very important. Now, three parties are negotiating with each other:
King, Political Parties and Maoists. In this negotiation:
King is cunning: he kept all the state power.
Political Parties are morally corrupt: but, have backing of peoples power.
Maoists are camafloudged like Khamerouge: what else they have more than arms, thugs and threats. They have vaccum what after their so called people's war? Do they have any other agenda than making republic of Nepal? If other political parties, go for republican agenda and succeed to get it, how are the Maoists going to justy their rampange killing of innocent peoples? What Kerry will be Kerry's agenda, when Bush in power used Kerry's agenda of using UN in Iraq? The way Kerry is stucked with, Maoists will be politically stucked if Political parties move their agenda of making Nepal republic of Nepal. What vision they have for republic of Nepal? Afganistan was made republic of Nepal? What they achieved? How are you going to avoid being ruled by Nepali Talibans, technically speaking Maoists are already Taliban of Nepal?
So, is republic of Nepal is only the goal and great achievement? My answer is big "NO".
I am more interested in immediate solution to current crisis first: mutiliate King's power, i.e. bring Royal Nepal Army under the control of parliment or PM. If they can negotiate
to get this deal done, it will automatically solve the crisis and bring the country back
to normal track. We don't want Kim Il dyansty type of King ship in Nepal. Maoists
want "timro palo gayo, aba mero palo", and its wrong and in this aspect what Girija
said in 2046 "yo sabko jit ho", and only democracy offers "hami sabko sajha" (opps: hami sabko sajha: sajha.com? of course hehehehe....) like that.
There should be negotiation and negotiation for "ham sabko sajha agenda", not only applicable to suppressed class, not only to oppressing class: royals, not only the political parties, we want a negotiated settlement that is acceptable to all of us to allowing our right to live peacefully with dignity and honor.
The current negotiation may end up with "NO KING" or may end up with "mutiliated King". Anything away from this, is not a lasting (at least a generation) negotiation.
GP
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| nepali13 |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 05:45 AM
Short answer, time has arrived that Gyanendra got go. Political leaders are SARS but Gyanendra is a CANCER.
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| andolan_61 |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 07:22 AM
There are several reasons behind to say " Not Gyane King".
* He wasn't born as crown prince so he doesn't deserve to be king.
* He is not educated enough to be king.
* He was bussinessman.
* His son is notorious guy.
* He doesn't have vision for the future of Nepal.
* He doesn't phyically look suitable as King( look at his face).
* He is fundamental hinduist ( Nepall is Chhar jaat , chattis barna ko bhulabari).
* He doesn't listen the voice of intellectuals, layer, doctor, engineer.
* He ignores the voice of people.
Lastly, he doesn't have political support to be king .
add more guys and girls
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| MillionDollars |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 07:25 AM
The only valid reason I see up there is his son is a bloody murderer and also is crown prince. Rest is a load of bull.
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| darsandhunga |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 08:57 AM
Of course Not!!!
We don't need this bloody bastard!!!!
Nepali people can rule themselves.~~~~
We are capable of changing our situation to better.
This freaking King is a real burdon to our country and our economy!!!
DO you know he and his family gets $1,000,000 annually out of our anual budget.
Why do we need to spend such a large amount on a businessman and another annoying thing is that he even doesn't pay tax of his business!!
We must overthrow this Mother Freaking F'ker!!!
Darshan
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| andolan_61 |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 09:11 AM
Milliondoallars, could you prove me wrong? i am open for healthy discussion.
* wasn't he businessman? could you tell how own "Hotel soaltee"
* was he born as crown prince in his family?
* does he hold good degree from reputed prestigious school of the world?
* what did he do during this 16 month , after he sacked deuba?
* Wasn't he felliciated by hindu fundamentalist Ashoka singha or something like that? Don't you know that Nepali practice other religions besides hinudism?
* don't you see his picure? ( look at his chicks) . He seems like he has obese. I recommend him to go gym, it's good for health physically as well as mentally. don't drink too much alchohol.
* Why he isn't ready for "Janamat Sangraya"? If he thinks he has support of people, he shouln't be scared from janmat sangra. That proves that he doesn't have support from peopl.
* He went to rukkum, rolpa and asked little girl that " How she broke her hand"
and in the mean time people were fighting in the stree at katmandu? wasn't he supposed to worry about fighting people in ktm rather than one girl's leg in rolpa or somewhere else
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| yOuNgBlOoDz |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 09:14 AM
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| M.P. |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 09:19 AM
Ok, yes king? Reason?
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| Shefali_Ko_Poi |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 09:28 AM
Hell No
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| yOuNgBlOoDz |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 09:31 AM
if no king!!!!!! what are the other options ??????????????????????????????
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| AX |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 09:35 AM
KING OR NO KING? YES KING
reason? it's not your fking biz
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| andolan_61 |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 09:36 AM
yOuNgBlOoDz , There is will , there is way. I think there are numbers of capble person who can fullfill their responsbility as president of Nepal. I would like to name some of them here.since the roll of president is nothing in democracy so anyone could hold that position.
* Biswo Nath Upadhaya
* KP Bhattarai( if he quits party's membership)
* Lok raj Baral
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| andolan_61 |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 09:39 AM
AX, are you gyanne's chamchha or what? why do u have to swear to everyone who doesn't like gyane . No wonder you still have mandale character. i will suggest you to discuss with valid reason , not swear words. I just guess that you must be in nepal.......
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| thaag |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 09:44 AM
We will be better off if we don't have king in future.
If we have to have a king, he should only be a symbolic. No power of any kind should be given to him.
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| darsandhunga |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 09:58 AM
Hey Andolan_61
I support your view of Republicanization of Nepal!!
But!!
I don't support your view about the persons capable of ruling Nepal.
I strongly disagree with you in this regard!! Person's like Kp Bhattarai and Biswanath Upadhya can't be president of Nepal!
I have no bad feeling about Kp bhattarai. In fact he is a good person. But he doesn't have a vision and firm stand needed to be a president
And Biswanath Upadhya is of course a " Kalanka" in nepali political history! Do you know who is responsible in bringing the political crisis in Nepal?? It is he who messed up everything by reversing the UML and King Birendra's decision to hold a new election. He will remain as the KALANKA in Nepal's history!!
There is no way we can respect him!!
You may argue that Upadhya reversed the decision according to constituition. No! he didn't!! He only tried to interpret it in support of Kaangress!!! You know Nepal experienced the political crisis right after the day when that decision was made!
You also said that the role of president is nothing in Democracy!! What do you think his role is??
Are you only taking the example of Indian Democracy??
Dude! Look around the world! and look at US! can't we bring a US system of republic?
Which one do you like Indian or American???
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| AX |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 10:06 AM
andolan_61 if you are brave enuf give me your addy (hopefully in US), will come and beat you to death
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| nepali13 |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 10:42 AM
AX, are you freaking slave of PARASE or part of that ruthless family? I guess you should better find safe place to save your ass because GYANE and his chamche days are running out.
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| andolan_61 |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 10:43 AM
darshundunga,
I don't think Nepal should adopt Ameracand model Democracy where President is only elected and he can choose his partner for secretarty to attorney Journal and i don't think we should give that much power to one person iin Nepal right now but who knows we might adopt american model democracy later in future. We are in primary phase of democracy in nepal and it takes time to establish in grass root. Until it is fully established in grass root, i don't think its good idea to give complete power to one person which is president. He can be dictator. if you look at the history of world, there were lot of elected president turned as dictator.....
As a biswonath, he completed a greeat mission of making constitution after 2046. I know that there was personality crash between biswonath and king and it started when congress government recommended him as president of " Manab ahikar AAyog" and palace rejected and i don't think palace had any right to reject elected government recommendation so there was lot of interference from palace in that matter.
I know you are talking about Parliament dissoulmation by the recommendation of Prime minister, manmohan adhikari. All we know that, he recommend dissolution of parliament to king and king was seeking advice from supreme court and court decided to reverse it. It's not his only biswonath's decision. I hope you understand how the rule of majority works in court. I would like to compare that incident with the incident that happend in last election in 2000 in USA where there was dispute of florida votes and supreme court rejected to re-count the vote in florida. so if you wanna follow democracy, you have to obey supreme court's decision regardless of your favour.
I already told that in democracy , there is no major role of president so KP bhattarai can be president. he is saint, he isn't corrupt. he fought for democracy. so why not? I think we don't have too many choice for president right now so we have to choose one among whoever we have so i still go with KP Bhattarai( if he quits Party membership) .
Looking for healthy discussion
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| andolan_61 |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 10:47 AM
AX,
I want to remind you that this is not Panchayat era in Nepal where palace can do anything whatever they want and we are talking about US, not Nepal. It looks like you still have hangover of mandale kaal. There is law in US and no one is above law so you can't do nothing to me in US..... borther, get over with that hangover. Most of the nepalise come to us to get education and that doesn't only mean you get your diploma from university . Everyone should learn of respect, freedom and other good american values from this society and i hope you will learn these kinds of things one day in US...........
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| AX |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 11:08 AM
rather than calling me name. Just drop the addy here, will serve ya good :)
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| suva chintak |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 12:07 PM
Another important discussion!
Both monarchy and republic are alternative forms of running a state. One is not intrinsically superior to the other, it depends upon the historical context and geopolitical necessities. So what is good for Dick may not be so suitable for Dickson.
But if we are talking about Nepal now, all those who call for a republic have a historic opportunity. The king has been severely weakened by the Maoist insurgency and the ongoing republican riots in the streets launched by the five parties. There are now clear signs that he may buckle. So, if the republicans really want to establish a republic in Nepal, the the five party alliance and the Maoists must form a tactical unity to oust the king. The political parties, if they are sincere about their republican principles, must now take the hand offered by the Maoists to overthrow monarchy. They must not make another compromise if the king gives them the prime minister's chair or even revives the parliament. As Girija and Makune have declared, this ought to be their "decisive movement", they must not settle for anything less. Hopefully they will not be distracted by their greed to get the chair, let us hope they remain true to what they have professed so far.
Interesting times ahead certainly!
SC
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| sense |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 12:21 PM
Ax dude , challenging guys r always interesting when they r stupid enough to act as a freaking wanna be just out of from a gym.
As for the rest my view is just dont give power to monarchy, n again if it wants to violate its limitation thorow the whole system away..I dont beleive anybody in nepal will oppose this when paras is there.
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| Dr. Strangelove |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 12:45 PM
Andolan_61, LR Baral is no. 1 India ko Pithoo. Are you nuts?
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| yOuNgBlOoDz |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 01:10 PM
hahahahahha AX bro kehile dekhi supari lina thalyo :D:D:D:D: hehe
like dat one.. drop you addy will serve ya right re hahaha
andolan .. be a man.. instead of being bheda..
see .. there is no evidence that king has done nething wrong.. where as about taking over the power.. it was freakin necessity.. and fawk its just been 13 mnths since he has taken over... in comparasion to 15 bloody years of neta .. so lets get real here...
futher more.. like AX bro said.. its none ya fakin bzness why neeed king.. but YES WE NEED KING IN NEPAL>>>
fawk neta
fwk girija n makune
n fawk their mothafakin political strategy
yb
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| andolan_61 |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 01:11 PM
Dr strangelove,
He was ambassdor of India for Nepal during sher bahadur era. He is political science professor. How do you prove that he is indian ko pitho..... we all should talk with valid points.... all i am saying is that we don't have two many choices so that i choose lok raj. Could you name some for president of Nepal in today's scenerio?
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| andolan_61 |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 01:16 PM
No wonder all mandale( Ax,yOuNgBlOoDz ) use same language. Do mandales know more than swearing here in sajha.... I presented some reason " why gyane can't be king in this thread" and i would like to challege all mandales to write with evidence, facts and proof rather than full of swearing words....... It's nepali people bussiness to think about future of nepal....
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| khimu |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 01:17 PM
f*ck him (king) He is just like the Rana (Rana Sashan).
how about "Democratic Nepal"
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| AX |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 01:20 PM
where's the address???
sense was nice enuf to send his addy too bad he is not in US. will show you what mandale (as you labled me) is all about
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| yOuNgBlOoDz |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 01:20 PM
ANDOLAN GIMME FEW REASONS ( i dont' wanna your assumptioins with full freakin evidence.. why can't he be a king... )(i repeat i want none of ya bs assumptions.. ) n then we ll know who is mandale... btw they call mandale to those who dont' want king.. we are in favor of king..
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| confused |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 01:25 PM
Democratic Nepal has just been a dream, and i dont think it will ever be possible..
abt the King for this situation, i would have said yes, if it was not Gyane, i think CNE (or whatever u calll the person below the chief in army) should take control of the situation. To control this situation there needs to be a dictorship, one person taking charge and throw all these corrupt politicians into jail and start a new goverment.(of course it aint easy :P)
so anywaz NO I DO NOT SUPPORT KING
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| Dr. Strangelove |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 01:25 PM
Andolan_61..I guess you meant to say Nepal's ambassador to India. I know he's a professor of Political Science. It's not a good idea to have a "president" who is tilted ideologically too much towards Bharat in light of Nepal's geopolitical reality. Proximity of dominant, emerging world power, China, should always be a major consideration.
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| Drona |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 01:50 PM
Guys, don't loose your head, and don't loose conscience; I mean don't be confused. The website is crystal clear. The kingship needs to be in its present place. Otherwise, Nepalese progress will be all over the place.
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| Go_Lakerssssssssssss |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 04:18 PM
no king
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| niksnpl |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 04:38 PM
Majority wants NO KING?????????? and NIKSNPL TOO
if there will be referumdum in Nepal, Surely...............Gyane will be .....................
I can't gues..... it's upto u people..........hehehehe
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| EnufRespectseeyan |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 04:42 PM
A BIG YES TO THE KING
HAMRO RAJA HAMRO DESH JYAAN BHANDA PYAARO CHA
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| niksnpl |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 04:49 PM
HAMRO DESH (BINA RAJA) JHYAAN BHANDA PYAARO CHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| confused |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 09:46 PM
HAMRO RAJA HAMRO DESH JYAAN BHANDA PYAARO CHA
ho ho..malai ni pyaro cha, matlab chaina even king commits crime, drug deals, or rape women...i love my king :P
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| Ekar |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 09:55 PM
Kill the king...Kill gyanee....and Paras should be stoned to death.....
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| kalebhut |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 10:51 PM
i love my king.. he he looks like confused is cofused about his sexuality now. This is what i call heights of confusion. If confused was a female this would be a confusion on my part though.
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| Prem Charo |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 11:24 PM
Yes, we need king. I can give you 9 reasons why we need king.
All these parties all the parties are liars
1.they never keep up with their promises.
2. They are corrupt
3. They are self centered demogouge pandering the passion of the innocent Nepali people with their fradulent attitude.
4. they are hegemonist (naatawaad kripawaad)
5. They don't have any vision for the country.
6. What is their road map to bring peace in the country.
7. All they care about is power
8. They have already proved that they don't have any nag to run the country.
9. We wouldn't be in this political turmouil if they had provided good governance for the last 12 years.
Rastra bhkta charo = prem charo
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| Shaiva |
Posted
on 23-Apr-04 11:57 PM
I can give you at least 9 reasons why we DON'T need the king.
All these MANDALES are liars
1.they never keep up with their promises
-King Tribhuvan promised Constituent Assembly, he didn't keep it.
-King Mahendra promised Development, he developed MANDALES.
-King Birendra promised peace, he left the country in deep in piss.
-King Gyanendra promised elections (through his Jwai Deuba), he gave Panchas.
2. They are corrupt
-Ten fold Bhatta hike
-Felicitations
-Jaguars, Rolls
-Military Supplies
-Thapadom, on contract presumably?
3. They are self centered demogouge pandering the passion of the innocent Nepali people with their fradulent attitude.
-Lip service to democracy, autocratic behaviour.
-Herding masses to hear him speak, speak what?
4. they are hegemonist (naatawaad kripawaad)
-Inherent to any heridatory monarchy, no further comments necessary.
5. They don't have any vision for the country.
-Not exactly true, backward vision of past 'glory' have often been made by the king.
6. What is their road map to bring peace in the country.
-American guns will do it. The king is happiest in his military uniform.
7. All they care about is power
-Needs to elaboration. Remember King Dipendra and what he allegedely did?
8. They have already proved that they don't have any nag to run the country.
-Yes, their twelve generations have proved it that Nepalese will always remain poor.
9. We wouldn't be in this political turmouil if they had provided good governance for over 200 years.
-Exactly, how many centuries does it take for people to grow out of their infantile obsession?
Thanks you PC. Nobody could have made the case against monarchy so crystal clear.
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| niksnpl |
Posted
on 24-Apr-04 01:32 AM
WOW Shaiva!!!!!!!!!!!
U R Genius.............. :))))
PremCharo is searching a place to hide his face...heheheheheh
GyaneBhakta Charo = Prem Charo
Chamchha Charo = Prem Charo
Now , Chamchha Charo will go to Subha Chintak, or Isolated Freak to get help.then long bhasans to show that they are intelligent...........so boring...........hehehehe
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| darsandhunga |
Posted
on 24-Apr-04 11:55 AM
Yes ! Andolan_61 you are right!!
But, i still have some doubts about politics of Nepal. The real cause of failure of our leaders and failure of our democracy is Lack of education!!
pople are so uneducated that they can't make any good decision in case of crisis. I am not talking about poeple like you are me. I am talking about all those people living out there in villages. They don't understand what democracy is. They only understand what the some educated persons in the society tell them. That is why! they go after everyone. That is why so many people took part in the faliciation of GYANE eventhough they considered him as brother killer.
One truth is that our democracy was based on them. The political leaders got elected because of the blind votes those uneducated people gave in favour of them. This is one reason why democracy is in trouble in nepal. For democracy to function well, every one should be able to know the value of it. For politics of a country to be better, there should be good political culture. And you know that we don't have any kind of political culture in Nepal. Nepal is really a primitive country in case of politics.
Look at the history of England, they knew what democracy is before 1200 ad. They took all power from the king during 1700s. But, we are still suffering from the miscunduct of our monarchs in 21st century. WHy??
Do you know why??
Yes! because of lack of education and good political culture. Nepalese people didn't get any chance to participate in the government until 1950 ad. Rana created the political culture like that of slaves. People only knew to value the king,or leaders not themselves.
But, in democracy people must value themselves and of course democracy is about valuing ourselves.
There are various other factors as well. But for the time being, i doubt abuot lack of education. I doubt abuot the capacity of the people to make a good judgement whether it be with king or without king.
I think for this, we need to educate people under monarchy to make them able to judge about themselves.
I don't like to see this king being in power. I don't like monarchy at all. But for the reality i think everybody of us should accept this.
As nepalese people are not yet educated enough!!!
What do you think?
Darshan Dhunga
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| confused |
Posted
on 24-Apr-04 02:53 PM
Shaiva bro talli, P.C laTTI :)
gyanne ko chamcha = prem charo :P
We need a total dictarship in this country right now, no king, no parties, no nothing..TOTAL DICTATORSHIP then Nepal will start to civilize in some extent
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| yOuNgBlOoDz |
Posted
on 24-Apr-04 03:00 PM
jai desh
jai nareshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
yb
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| mildseven |
Posted
on 24-Apr-04 03:17 PM
i hope some of you anti nationalist, nepal rapists, pro corruption, anti regression idiots are on the streets when the guns start firing. I hope some of you get shot in the balls. so while u lie there sans gonads,u can realize that ur blood is being used by ur leaders to come back to power so they can start raping you again.
i bet that will make u real happy. I pray however that ur blood goes to waste, and all ur leaders run away to india as soon as their kartavya vimudha followers start dying. i pray that we can then deal with the maoists and then live a peaceful life again where one can walk out and buy milk w/o the fear of getting shot at which is one of the many wonderful gifts ur leaders have given us in the past 12 years.
jay desh, jay naresh
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| niksnpl |
Posted
on 24-Apr-04 03:49 PM
I Want to ask MILDSEVEN, what the Kings have given in last 250 years....
and darsahdhunga, I totally agree with you.....Until the People are educated, they won't be able to utilise the Democracy properly. And It takes a long for any System to be established. It won't happen in this 12 years of period. If the people were educated, they could decide what is good/bad for them..then the Democracy have been flourished much faster but in context of Nepal, we have to start from negative...First come to zero, and then there will be the real start..
My point is that....with Gyane, the country will go backwards.. then you can estimate the consequence..
It will take some time, but Democracy has no substitute in Nepal..
and these 3-4 chamchhas of gyane can just keep on shouting and see the revolution happening before their eyes...
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| yOuNgBlOoDz |
Posted
on 24-Apr-04 04:12 PM
niksnpl.. wake up dude.... there ain't leading nepal newhere.........
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| niksnpl |
Posted
on 24-Apr-04 04:15 PM
If they aren't taking Nepal nowhere......atleast we aren't going backwards.................
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| niksnpl |
Posted
on 24-Apr-04 04:16 PM
I think you should wake up.................
I never supported these corrupted politicians.............I am just speaking for Democracy........and it has long way to go............................
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| as101 |
Posted
on 24-Apr-04 09:28 PM
somebody need to kill that baster king
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| nomad |
Posted
on 24-Apr-04 11:05 PM
Katmandu Asks: Is Gyanendra Smoking as Nepal Burns?
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/25/international/asia/25NEPA.html?ex=1083470400&en=4c66c71fbd0c179c&ei=5040&partner=MOREOVER
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| An Indun Poet |
Posted
on 25-Apr-04 07:44 AM
There are people on the streets of the cities and those in the villages-- with no fear of the Gun, and their aim is to get Gyane and 250 years of shit out of Nepal. So that THEY not GYANE can chose their leaders.
Its time for the Maoists and the Demcorats to join hands kick Gyane and his killer gang out of the country so that our younguns will never have to shy their head when someone tells them-- "The king in Nepal is deemed as GOD. People of Nepal drink water off the King etc. etc."
Prem Charo, Suva Chintak and the rest of you Royalists-- do you think Gyane is the reincarnation of Vishnu. Would you do a "Dhanushtankar" bow and drink water off feet? You guys probably would..... But there are millions of Nepali who are fed-up of this.
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| as101 |
Posted
on 25-Apr-04 08:00 AM
we all just not protest but we all need to go palace throw all king an his families out
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| isolated freak |
Posted
on 25-Apr-04 08:35 AM
My vote goes for the King and for these reasons:-
1. Nepal is a country that has more than 61 ethnic groups whos peak more than 70 different languages/dialects. There needs to be an institution/leader that can bind the people together and save the nation from breaking up and or an ongoing ethnic war. And the King is the only force or factor that can guaranty this. When powerful eladers or institutions collapse all of a sudden in a multi-ethnic countries, the countries either break down or engage in ethnic wars. For example, Chezchsolovakia, Yugoslavia, USSR and Indonesia.
2. Democracy is the best system in the world, but for democracy to flourish, one needs democratic infrastructre in place. As I said some tiems ago in a reply to someone, you can't change your bedrrom into kicthen overnight. If you change your bedroom into kictehn overnight, the chances are, you will soon be in a huge mess. Likewise, to make democracy work, you have to build the infrastructure necessary. Dictators and authoritarian rulers are more efficient than the democratically elected ones. The reason: They can keep things under control. Everybody agrees that Pakistan is much better under Gen Pervez Musharraf than any of the democraticaly elected leaders.
Also, to prove their legitimacy authoritarian leaders and dictators focus on transparent bureaucracy and efficiency. And when the system changes from authritarianism to democracy, people know exactly what to do and what to expect. For example, Lee Kuan Yu, Mahathir, deGaulle, Pervez Musharraf, King Hussien, Marshall Tito .. the list goes on.
3. Whose democracy are we advocating in Nepal anyways? Let's look at Nepal's conditions:
a) Almost 40% of the population is illeterate
b) About the same percent of the population lives in poverty and absolute poverty
percentage is poor and illeterate, the chances of undemocratic people coming to power is more in Nepal, than the real democrats coming to the power. Democracy has often been abused by the undemocratic forces to come to power and then just jeopardaize not only the system but the whole nation and at times, the whole world. For example, Hitler and Mussolini both came to power throgh democratic elections! Even in our pyaro Nepal, DB Lama got elected unopposed from Rasuwa on our own democratic congressi ticket!
Also, the widespread iletracy and poverty make it very easy for the people to exploit the system. People are so cut off from the events due to iletaracy and poverty that they can be easily manipulated. For 100 Rs, they will vote for anyone. And whoever says that this is a far fetched argument, sir, please see for yourself what types of people were elected in Nepal's multi-party elections. At least, the Panchayati elections were somehow fair: Even people like Padma Ratna and Golche Sarki and Ramraja Prasad Singh could get elected. In the democratic elections, only those who can spend money and who have a truck load of ram-bhakta-hanuman type Karyakartas win. For example, Khum Bahadur Khadka, Girija and many others.
Also it is interesting to note: The US and the UK which promoted democracy all over after the fall of the Soviet Empire and the Berlin Wall, have now taken a different approach. The US and the UK leadership, throughout the 90s thought that the world will be a better place if every country was democratic, and supported democracy movements everywhere. Many "authritarian" regimes were thrown and new "democratic" governments came into existacne, but instead of the world being a safer place, the world became much more chaotic. Ethnic fightings erupted in many countries and those who didn't have ethnic conflicts couldn't form stable governmnets because the people and the countries were not just ready for democracy. These days, the US has shifted its policy: Although, in rhetoric, it still promotes democracy, in action, however, it supports strong leaders, who the US believes can bring things under control and develop the infrastructure necessary for democracy to flourish. This they realized a long time ago, but except for an instance, they hadn't made it their practice (the US actually supported King Hussein of Jordan when he dissolved the house because the Parliament there didn't seem to function well, and the Palestanian population in Jordan could start violence anytime and a strong leader was needed to make sure that the country doesn't go down and the Palestanians do not create any mischief). Now, the US is making this its practice. By supporting the King in Nepal, and the President Musharraf in Pakistan or by engaging in extensive trade with what was considered brutal regimes not long ago, the US is trying to build the infrastrture necassary for democracy in these countries, so that democarcy, when imposed or achieved through revolutions/rebellions actually works.
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| singdude |
Posted
on 25-Apr-04 10:20 AM
I have not even bothered what u guys have writen about the king but I say F... the monarchy.Why waste tax on the bloody blood sucker !!
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| yOuNgBlOoDz |
Posted
on 25-Apr-04 10:30 AM
whose sukin the blooooooooooooooood??
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| mildseven |
Posted
on 25-Apr-04 10:31 AM
that was birendra's mistake exactly. he gave away democracy too early too easily. I support gyanendra knowing very well that once literacy rate improves, more people are aware of their rights and more people understand the meaning and importance of democracy, they will once again demand democracy. At that time, I will support them fully, because they will be ready to be supported. they will be ready to take responsibility of the country. At that time, Paras will kill more people than birendra ever did and gyanendra probably will. But the more blood is shed, we will try to uphold our new found freedom more personally and not let these netas come and start misusing it again. Having paid a dear price, we will care for it dearly. right now its a toy we got for free. Then it will not be. Till then I support Gyanendra as a person who can bring peace in the country, prosperity in the country. AT the very least get us out of the clutches of the maoists.
to the person who asked what monarchy has given us in the past. well monarchy has given us democracy during birendras time which led to all this. monarchy has also given us democracy during tribhuwan's time which was also the same situation though not as bad. just change GP Koirala to BP/MP Koirala and u have the same breed of corrupt people. Monarchy has also given us a stable safe and prosperous rule during mahendra. roads were built, schools were opened, we were a peace zone, we had respect in the world. Now its just another civil war torn, poor backward country the likes of which u usually find in africa.
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| Ebaje |
Posted
on 25-Apr-04 01:29 PM
All I gotta say is F*** Gyane and Parase and some of these Ghusya Bau's sons who are here in Sajha.
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| touch_the_sky |
Posted
on 25-Apr-04 01:48 PM
King of no king, its the same thing.
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| Prem Charo |
Posted
on 25-Apr-04 05:32 PM
Guys,
What you guys are bashing about ?? Without King in Nepal is not solution. Without Maobadi is the solution.
What do you think ??
Prem Charo :)
Hawaii
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| as101 |
Posted
on 25-Apr-04 08:08 PM
F... the Kind and his familiesssss
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| An Indun Poet |
Posted
on 25-Apr-04 10:10 PM
Illiterate or Not, People want to decide for themselves. Its the Gyane and his anscestors who have put up us Nepalese in the dark with illeteracy.
There are far more ethnic groups in India, democracy works there as well.
So don't give us some shit with your "dhanustankar bow to the king and the drink off his feet" with useless points.
Nepal is better with Gyane and his family out of the picture for the years to come.
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| lopsee |
Posted
on 25-Apr-04 11:54 PM
kingggggggggggggggggggg
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