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| Nepe | Posted
on 30-Apr-04 09:26 PM
Today, a small group of Nepalis from NYC and DC gathered in DC to join in a rally organized by NDYCUSA (- http://www.ndycusa.org ) to show their solidarity with the ongoing pro-democracy movement in Nepal. DC based media will probably report more on this. Here are two pictures from the rally. 
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| Nepe | Posted
on 30-Apr-04 09:27 PM
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| Prem Charo | Posted
on 30-Apr-04 10:15 PM
Ha Ha Ha Ha... Dollar kamai rakheka nepali lai ke ko taauko dukheko ni Nepal ko barema? If they are truly devoted to Nepali politics, they can go to nepal. It is just a bull ..That's what I think. What you guys think?? Who is the leader of this protest, is he trying to get some kind of KURSHI in Nepal?????? Prem Charo :) Hawaii |
| Prem Charo | Posted
on 30-Apr-04 10:26 PM
Does DC know where Nepal is? Raaj Bhakti Charo = Prem Charo |
| Riten | Posted
on 01-May-04 05:48 AM
Koi na koi khutta taanney ta niski haalcha. I wonder why some Nepalis tend to be over cynical of others. Case in point here, this nincompoop calling himself "Prem Charo." Nepalis in DC are concerned about the situation back home and are doing something about it. But here we have Prem Charo being snotty and passing smartass comments. #1. "Dollar kamai rakheka nepali lai ke ko taauko dukheko ni Nepal ko barema?" Because Nepal is where we came from, where most of us have families and homes, where lot of us are planning to return to in future, whose citizenship lot of us still hold, and simply because we care. #2. "If they are truly devoted to Nepali politics, they can go to nepal." Trust me Charo, lot can be done for Nepal from abroad. Are you the type who makes yourself an excuse by saying, "I am not in Nepal, so I don't have to do anything for Nepal." #3. "It is just a bull ..That's what I think. " I think you are full of bull.... #4. "Who is the leader of this protest, is he trying to get some kind of KURSHI in Nepal?????? " So what? If a dynamic leader shines himself in these kind of protests and proves himself effective, more power to him. #5 Prem Charo, you are one big dumbass from Hawaii. |
| Prem Charo | Posted
on 01-May-04 06:59 AM
Riten, I do agree with you though. I am also helping couple of schools in remote part of Nepal. I am willing to do more if money goes to the right hand. I was was just saying sadak chap rajniti USA maa pani ?? I do belive in democracy but I don't agree without king in Nepal for political balance. Because we have already seen how the ruling parties administer the public policy and affairs and exercise sovereign authority in the government. If good leader leads the way for better, King has no choice but step down. That's the way to go. Deshvakta charo :) Prem Charo Hawaii |
| Riten | Posted
on 01-May-04 01:47 PM
Prem Charo, I appreciate your second post. It made sense. Thank you. No hard feelings, bro. |
| Drona | Posted
on 01-May-04 02:11 PM
Prem Charo, you sound to have been stuck in dollar-earning. Are you a ... citizen? |
| Biswo | Posted
on 01-May-04 03:08 PM
Hats off to those who make it to there! |
| dyamn | Posted
on 01-May-04 04:38 PM
.. aba DC banda organize garnay hola ni Nepali haru lay hahahahahaha ani white house ma dhunga hannay hola?? HOINA? ANI , dc KO street lights ani bar haru bhatkaunay hola.. go bir Nepali haru gooo.... |
| dyamn | Posted
on 01-May-04 04:39 PM
Drona, who are you to ask about someone's citizenship? and what "citizen"; Nepali , American, Mexican?? what point are you trying to make and who hired you as a Sajha BCIS(INS) miss??? |
| Nepe | Posted
on 01-May-04 06:25 PM
Knowing PremCharo's deranged behavior in Sajha for long, I see no point in debating with him, although sometimes he has some points. Regarding socalled anti-regression movement of political parties, there is no doubt that it had remained a pure kursi-andolan since the day it was announced until recently when people were reluctant to join in. Now that educated mass has joined in, the nature and direction of this andolan has changed qualitatively. This andolan now represents a gradual realization by educated mass of the fact that our adherence to monarchy is handicapping us to seek a just future that is only possible when all power comes to the people. It is true that the top leadership of parties still remain sorry players of the same musical kursi that did not represent the sovereignty of Nepali people although they were told otherwise. However, lower level political workers have become a part of a national awakening that our civil society and common people are going through. This can be clearly seen in two different tendencies that political leaders and the rest of the mass are showing- leaders for staying in pre-asoj 18 order but the mass for a total change. This conflict now expressed in lack of respect to old political leaders by civil society and common people even when they are together on the street tells a lot of things about what we can expect to see in future. That we are not going to lose sight of our goal even in confusing time, that the old corrupt leadership will be rejected and new promising leaders will emerge and that we will never share our sovereignty with the king like our leaders did, anymore may be among some we are going to see. It was to celebrate this national awakening in the country that I participated in the rally organized in DC yesterday irrespective of whatever the purpose of the organizer was. My quick reading of literature of NYDCUSA gives me impression that they are a little bit left behind by how much forward Nepali youth back in the country has succeeded to bring themselves to. However, meeting with several fellow participants who were at par with our youth back home in their resolution for rejecting monarchy was an inspiring experience for me personally in DC rally yesterday. I was equally moved by a warm greeting I received by a retired Nepali of my father's age and acquaintance who had walked several miles on foot to find the rally yesterday. |
| Nepe | Posted
on 01-May-04 06:28 PM
From Nepali Post- s]xLl5gsf] gf/fafhLkl5 b"tfaf;sf Ps sd{rf/Ln] lj/f]wkq a'em]sf ePklg sfod d'sfod /fhb"t aflx/ lg:sg} k5{ eGg] c8fg h'n'zsf ;xefuLn] lnPkl5 em08} cfwf306fkl5 sfod d'sfod /fhb"t ?b| g]kfn 9f]sfdf cfO{ lj/f]wkq ;DalGwt 7fpFdf k7fOlbg] atfpg'ePsf] lyof] . h'n'zdf ;xefuL x'g cfOk'u]sfx? eg] g]kfnL b"taf;sf sd{rf/Lx?sf] Jojxf/af6 lgSs} ?i6 x'g k'u]sf lyP . ;f]xL cj;/df ¥ofnLsf ;xefuL z}n]z >]i7n] b"tfaf;sf] o:tf] /j}ofn] g]kfnsf] yfkf ;/sf/sf] k|lutudgsf] 5fofF cd]l/sfsf] g]kfnL b"tfaf;;Dd cfOk'u]sf] atfpFb} sd{rf/Lx?n] o; k|sf/sf] /j}of gb]vfpg ;d]t cfu|x ug'{eof] . To;cl3 XjfO6 xfp; glhs}sf] :jtGqtf kfs{df em08} Ps306fhlt ;xefuLx?n] k|hftGq axfnL u/, /fhf 1fg]Gb| /fhgLltaf6 aflx/ a;, k|hftGq cd/ /xf];\ h:tf c+u|]hLdf n]lvPsf Kn]sf8{ af]s]/ lj/f]w k|b{zg u/]sf lyP . kfs{kl5 ¥ofnLsf ;xefuLx?n] Soflk6nlxn -cd]l/sL ;+;b ejg_ cufl8 k'u]/ g]kfndf k|hftGq k'g:yfkgf u/, dfgjclwsf/sf] axfnL u/ / kqsf/dfly ul/Psf] ;/sf/L bdgsf] lj/f]wsf gf/f nufPsf lyP . ;g\ !(() sf] cfGbf]ngsf ;dodf ;d]t lgSs} ;lqmo /xFb} cfpg'ePsf Xo'dg/fO6;\ sld6L 8L;Lsf cWoIf 8f= an/fd cof{n æof] cfGbf]ngn] g]kfndf eO/x]sf] cfGbf]ngsf nflu 7"nf] g}lts ;dy{g / o; k|sf/sf] h'n'zn] g]kfndf eO/x]sf] cfGbf]ngnfO{ yk pmhf{ k|bfg u/]sf] pxfF atfpg'x'G5 . cfkm\gf] ;+:yf / JolQmut tkm{af6 cfkm"n] cd]l/sg s+u|]; Dofg / l;g]6/x?;Fu g]kfnsf af/]df k|hftGq / dfgjclwsf/sf nflu ;Dks{ ul//x]sf] s'/f 8f= cof{nn] g]kfnL kf]i6;Fusf] s'/fsfgLsf cj;/df atfpg'eof] . Go'of]s{b]vL h'n';df efu lng cfpg'ePsf 8f= tf/f lg/f}nf eGg'x'G5, æclxn] g]kfndf h'g /fhgLlts cGof}ntf / cl:y/tf pTkGg eO/x]sf] 5 To;}sf] lznlznfdf g]kfndf rfF8f]eGbf rfF8f] zflGt ;'/Iff / k|hftflGqs kl/kf6Lsf] k'g:yfkgf xf];\ eGg] b[li6sf]0fn] cd]l/sfdf /x]sf g]kfnLx?4f/f h;/L r]tgf hufpg] lx;fan] of] ¥ofnL ul/Psf] xf] / To;sf nflu cfkm" k|b{gLdf efu lng cfPsf] pxfF atfpg'x'G5 . cd]l/sfaf6 uPsf] cfjfhsf] dxTj ;d]t a9L x'g] ePsfn] o;sf] k|efjn] g]kfnsf] cfGbf]ngnfO{ ;d]t yk k|efj kfg{ ;Sg] x'gfn] o; k|sf/sf] h'n';df cfkm" efu lng cfOk'usf] pxfF atfpg'x'G5 . ;xefuL cfdf]b s6'jfn eGg'x'G5, k|hftGqk|lt ljZjf; /fVg] g]kfnL ;fyLefOx?n] XjfO6 xfp; cufl8, Sofl6n lxn cufl8 cfkm\gf] b]zdf k|hftGq k'g:yfkgf xf];\ eGg] cfjfhnfO{ cd]l/af6 ;d]t g]kfndf k'uf];\ eGg] h'g p2]Zon] cfof]hgf ul/Psf] ¥ofnLdf cfkm" ;xfefuL x'g cfOk'u]sf] s'/f pxfFn]] g]kfnL kf]i6nfO{ atfpg'eof] . h'n';df ;xefuL x'gsfnflu Go'XofD;fo/df a;f]af; ub}{ cfpg'ePsf of]u/fh uf}tdnfO{ eg] h'n';df ;xefuL ePkl5 cfkm\gf] pT;fxdf sdL cfPsf] s'/f g]kfnL kf]i6;Fusf] s'/fsfgLdf atfpg'eof] . lsg t eGg] k|Zgdf pxfF eGg'x'G5, æof] h'n'; eg] sf7df8f}+df xfn /fli6|o k|hftGq kf6L{n] nufPsf] h:tf]dfq ePsf] 5 . cfkm"n] ljut ;g\ !(() sf] cfGbf]ngdf ;d]t cd]l/sfdf h'n';df ;xefuL ePsf]n] clxn]sf] cfGbf]ngdf g]kfnsf o'jfx? u0ftGqsf] kIfdf uO;s]sf] cj:yfdf xfdL ljb]zdf a:g] g]kfnLx?n] klg u0ftGq :yfkgfsf nflu cfkm\gf] cfjfh p7fpg'kg]{ s'/fdf pxfFn] hf]8 lbg'eof] . /fhf4f/f vf]l;sfPsf] hgtfsf] clwsf/ k"0f{ ?kdf hgtfdf kmsf{Og'kg]{ / ;j{bnLo ;/sf/sf] :yfkgf u/L b]zsf] /fhgLlts ;d:of ;dfwfg ul/g'kg]{ s'/f /fVb} cfkm"x?n] o; k|sf/sf] sfo{qmdsf] cfof]hgf u/]sf] s'/f g]kfnL k|hftflGqs o'jf kl/ifb\, Go'of]s{sf dxf;lrj cfgGb lji6n] g]kfnL kf]i6;Fusf] s'/fsfgLdf atfpg'eof] . Go'of]s{l:yt g]kfnL k|hftflGqs o'jf kl/ifb\sf] cfof]hgfdf ePsf] pQm lj/f]w ¥ofnLdf Go'of]s{ tyf jfl;+ª6g 8L;Lsf g]kfnL a'l4hLjL, ljBfyL{, snfsf/, kqsf/ / ljleGg ;+3 ;+u7gsf k|ltlglwx? u/]/ em08} Ps ;o krf; hgf g]kfnLx?sf] ;xeflutf /x]sf] lyof] . |
| Nepe | Posted
on 01-May-04 06:35 PM
Ignore the previous posting. 8L;Ldf P]Soj4tf ¥ofnL g]kfnL kf]i6 k|ltlglw d] )!, @))$ dfgjclwsf/ axfnL u/, k|hftGq k'gM :yfkgf u/, kqsf/dflysf] bdg aGb u/ Û oL gf/fx? lxhf] z'qmaf/ lbpF;f] cd]l/sfsf] jfl;+ª6g 8L;Ll:yt g]kfnL /fhb"tfaf;df g]kfndf rln/x]sf] cfGbf]nk|lt P]Soj4tf hgfpgsf nflu lj/f]w kq a'emfpg k'u]sf g]kfnLx?n] b"tfaf;sf sd{rf/Lx?n] 9f]sf aGb u/]/ a;]kl5 nufPsf x'g\ . s]xLl5gsf] gf/fafhLkl5 b"tfaf;sf Ps sd{rf/Ln] lj/f]wkq a'em]sf ePklg sfod d'sfod /fhb"t aflx/ lg:sg} k5{ eGg] c8fg h'n'zsf ;xefuLn] lnPkl5 em08} cfwf306fkl5 sfod d'sfod /fhb"t ?b| g]kfn 9f]sfdf cfO{ lj/f]wkq ;DalGwt 7fpFdf k7fOlbg] atfpg'ePsf] lyof] . h'n'zdf ;xefuL x'g cfOk'u]sfx? eg] g]kfnL b"taf;sf sd{rf/Lx?sf] Jojxf/af6 lgSs} ?i6 x'g k'u]sf lyP . ;f]xL cj;/df ¥ofnLsf ;xefuL z}n]z >]i7n] b"tfaf;sf] o:tf] /j}ofn] g]kfnsf] yfkf ;/sf/sf] k|lutudgsf] 5fofF cd]l/sfsf] g]kfnL b"tfaf;;Dd cfOk'u]sf] atfpFb} sd{rf/Lx?n] o; k|sf/sf] /j}of gb]vfpg ;d]t cfu|x ug'{eof] . To;cl3 XjfO6 xfp; glhs}sf] :jtGqtf kfs{df em08} Ps306fhlt ;xefuLx?n] k|hftGq axfnL u/, /fhf 1fg]Gb| /fhgLltaf6 aflx/ a;, k|hftGq cd/ /xf];\ h:tf c+u|]hLdf n]lvPsf Kn]sf8{ af]s]/ lj/f]w k|b{zg u/]sf lyP . kfs{kl5 ¥ofnLsf ;xefuLx?n] Soflk6nlxn -cd]l/sL ;+;b ejg_ cufl8 k'u]/ g]kfndf k|hftGq k'g:yfkgf u/, dfgjclwsf/sf] axfnL u/ / kqsf/dfly ul/Psf] ;/sf/L bdgsf] lj/f]wsf gf/f nufPsf lyP . ;g\ !(() sf] cfGbf]ngsf ;dodf ;d]t lgSs} ;lqmo /xFb} cfpg'ePsf Xo'dg/fO6;\ sld6L 8L;Lsf cWoIf 8f= an/fd cof{n æof] cfGbf]ngn] g]kfndf eO/x]sf] cfGbf]ngsf nflu 7"nf] g}lts ;dy{g / o; k|sf/sf] h'n'zn] g]kfndf eO/x]sf] cfGbf]ngnfO{ yk pmhf{ k|bfg u/]sf] pxfF atfpg'x'G5 . cfkm\gf] ;+:yf / JolQmut tkm{af6 cfkm"n] cd]l/sg s+u|]; Dofg / l;g]6/x?;Fu g]kfnsf af/]df k|hftGq / dfgjclwsf/sf nflu ;Dks{ ul//x]sf] s'/f 8f= cof{nn] g]kfnL kf]i6;Fusf] s'/fsfgLsf cj;/df atfpg'eof] . Go'of]s{b]vL h'n';df efu lng cfpg'ePsf 8f= tf/f lg/f}nf eGg'x'G5, æclxn] g]kfndf h'g /fhgLlts cGof}ntf / cl:y/tf pTkGg eO/x]sf] 5 To;}sf] lznlznfdf g]kfndf rfF8f]eGbf rfF8f] zflGt ;'/Iff / k|hftflGqs kl/kf6Lsf] k'g:yfkgf xf];\ eGg] b[li6sf]0fn] cd]l/sfdf /x]sf g]kfnLx?4f/f h;/L r]tgf hufpg] lx;fan] of] ¥ofnL ul/Psf] xf] / To;sf nflu cfkm" k|b{gLdf efu lng cfPsf] pxfF atfpg'x'G5 . cd]l/sfaf6 uPsf] cfjfhsf] dxTj ;d]t a9L x'g] ePsfn] o;sf] k|efjn] g]kfnsf] cfGbf]ngnfO{ ;d]t yk k|efj kfg{ ;Sg] x'gfn] o; k|sf/sf] h'n';df cfkm" efu lng cfOk'usf] pxfF atfpg'x'G5 . ;xefuL cfdf]b s6'jfn eGg'x'G5, k|hftGqk|lt ljZjf; /fVg] g]kfnL ;fyLefOx?n] XjfO6 xfp; cufl8, Sofl6n lxn cufl8 cfkm\gf] b]zdf k|hftGq k'g:yfkgf xf];\ eGg] cfjfhnfO{ cd]l/af6 ;d]t g]kfndf k'uf];\ eGg] h'g p2]Zon] cfof]hgf ul/Psf] ¥ofnLdf cfkm" ;xfefuL x'g cfOk'u]sf] s'/f pxfFn]] g]kfnL kf]i6nfO{ atfpg'eof] . h'n';df ;xefuL x'gsfnflu Go'XofD;fo/df a;f]af; ub}{ cfpg'ePsf of]u/fh uf}tdnfO{ eg] h'n';df ;xefuL ePkl5 cfkm\gf] pT;fxdf sdL cfPsf] s'/f g]kfnL kf]i6;Fusf] s'/fsfgLdf atfpg'eof] . lsg t eGg] k|Zgdf pxfF eGg'x'G5, æof] h'n'; eg] sf7df8f}+df xfn /fli6|o k|hftGq kf6L{n] nufPsf] h:tf]dfq ePsf] 5 . cfkm"n] ljut ;g\ !(() sf] cfGbf]ngdf ;d]t cd]l/sfdf h'n';df ;xefuL ePsf]n] clxn]sf] cfGbf]ngdf g]kfnsf o'jfx? u0ftGqsf] kIfdf uO;s]sf] cj:yfdf xfdL ljb]zdf a:g] g]kfnLx?n] klg u0ftGq :yfkgfsf nflu cfkm\gf] cfjfh p7fpg'kg]{ s'/fdf pxfFn] hf]8 lbg'eof] . /fhf4f/f vf]l;sfPsf] hgtfsf] clwsf/ k"0f{ ?kdf hgtfdf kmsf{Og'kg]{ / ;j{bnLo ;/sf/sf] :yfkgf u/L b]zsf] /fhgLlts ;d:of ;dfwfg ul/g'kg]{ s'/f /fVb} cfkm"x?n] o; k|sf/sf] sfo{qmdsf] cfof]hgf u/]sf] s'/f g]kfnL k|hftflGqs o'jf kl/ifb\, Go'of]s{sf dxf;lrj cfgGb lji6n] g]kfnL kf]i6;Fusf] s'/fsfgLdf atfpg'eof] . Go'of]s{l:yt g]kfnL k|hftflGqs o'jf kl/ifb\sf] cfof]hgfdf ePsf] pQm lj/f]w ¥ofnLdf Go'of]s{ tyf jfl;+ª6g 8L;Lsf g]kfnL a'l4hLjL, ljBfyL{, snfsf/, kqsf/ / ljleGg ;+3 ;+u7gsf k|ltlglwx? u/]/ em08} Ps ;o krf; hgf g]kfnLx?sf] ;xeflutf /x]sf] lyof] . |
| Nepe | Posted
on 01-May-04 07:01 PM
Here is the text of the petition submitted to the embassy in DC yesterday at the end of the rally. ****************************** Date: - 04/30/2004 His Majesty King Gyanendra Bir Bikram Shah Dev Narayan Hiti Royal Palace Kathmandu, Nepal. RE: An appeal to restore democratic constitutional process in Nepal immediately. Your Majesty: We, Nepalese currently living in the United States of America, have gathered here in Washington D.C. under the shadow of the Lincoln Memorial for a peaceful rally. By organizing this demonstration, we are desperately hoping to draw your attention to Nepal's present constitutional crisis and implore you to bring it to an immediate end. Thereupon, it is high time that a fully democratic constitutional process begins in Nepal without further delay. Through this mass gathering, we are also showing our solidarity with leaders, various political parties and organizations that have been engaged in peaceful protests over your assumption of extra constitutional "executive powers" on October 4, 2002, by summarily dismissing the elected prime minister. Your Majesty, we are appalled by the increasingly autocratic tendencies displayed by your handpicked go~ernment. We find this government's recent violent response to the people's peaceful demonstrations and assembly in Kathmandu and other parts of the country indefensible and reprehensible. The police's criminal use of force has violated the people's fundamental democratic and human rights. We can never envision creating a democratic and civil society based on the currant rule of law. It is obvious that your entrance into politics has, instead of enhancing the rule of law, regretfully, promoted the law of rules. In light of the troubling political situation created by this constitutional crisis, we, along with our brethren in Nepal, are impelled to commit ourselves from silence to activism. We are not oblivious to the fact that our country is going through a very difficult period, mainly due to the unprecedented crimes being committed on an enormous scale by a handful of vicious and violent elements. These men have already taken too many lives, and caused incalculable harm and destruction to private as well as public properties. We must take extraordinary measures and act decisively to defeat these monstrous enemies. However, we do not think that this war against terrorism is a justifiable reason to send our democracy on a holiday. We, therefore, in no uncertain terms, believe that while we are fighting against the scourge of violence, we must also steadily uphold and inculcate democratic values and develop democratic institutions simultaneously. More than one hundred and forty years ago, Abraham Lincoln faced a fractured, torn and fearful nation at the onset of a bloody civil war. In the face of such staggering challenges, he unequivocally reaffirmed his belief in democracy by enunciating, "a government of, by, and for the people." Then he admonished his countrymen: "A house divided against itself cannot stand." Lincoln not only led the country to a victory in the Civil War and held the country together, he also saved democracy. There is no question that we are encountering mounting challenges in Nepal, for which there are no simple solutions. Restoring peace and stability in the country is going to take all our efforts, resources and a protracted period of hard work. We can no longer afford a division between the monarchy and the people if we are committed to democratic principles and a constitutional monarchy. And, if we are truly sincere in uplifting and ameliorating the lives of our pauperized people, the time to act is now. To these ends, we can neither afford to waffle nor remain passive hoping that history will take the right course. Hence, we, the undersigned, beseech you to act now and bring our national leaders together and allow them to form a strong, functional government that can start dealing with the country's problems. This government must take the initiative of holding a national election at the earliest date possible. We are hoping that an amiable solution will be found soon. A new understanding and bond can be forged between the monarchy and the democratic forces and a new democratic era can truly begin in earnest. With renewed zeal, vigor and a sense of higher purpose, we can overcome our nation's difficulties together. Yours for the cause of freedom, harmony and peace, Sincerely, Anand Bist (President) Nepalese Democratic Youth Council in USA |
| Nepe | Posted
on 01-May-04 07:24 PM
A close-up from the rally.. 
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| Neural | Posted
on 01-May-04 07:39 PM
.Good job Nepe ji and Nepalese from NYC and DC. |
| Nepe | Posted
on 01-May-04 09:23 PM
Riten, Biswo and Neural ji, Thank you for your positive remarks and encouragements. *************************** Coverage from TKP Nepalis in US express solidarity for agitation POST REPORT KATHMANDU, May 1 - Hundreds of Nepalis living in the US today expressed solidarity for the ongoing five-party anti-regression movement by staging a pro-democracy rally in Washington. They also called on the US government, the Congress, international communities and human rights organizations to take initiatives to find a peaceful solution to the present political stalemate in their homeland, according to a press statement from the USA. The demonstrators also urged the international community to pay attention to growing human rights abuses and lack of democratic process, in Nepal. The rally organized by Nepalese Democratic Youth Council of USA (NDYCUSA), holding placards bearing pro-democracy slogans, submitted protest letters to the White House, Chairman of International Committee of Senate, US Department of State and Nepali Embassy. In the protest letter, they have demanded the restoration of democracy. Addressing the rally participated by journalists, intellectuals, human rights activists, President of the NDYCUSA Anand Bista demanded the protection of democracy and fundamental rights of the people in the homeland. Bista also threatened that if democracy was not restored in Nepal NDYCUSA would even go for hunger strikes in front of the United Nations. |
| nepali13 | Posted
on 03-May-04 06:33 AM
Hats off to those who made to the D C. Even though I couldn't be at DC but I fully support the cause. |
| GP | Posted
on 03-May-04 09:17 AM
Nepe sir, the report in TKP is a "white day" lie. I am not supporter of K G, but, there should be a real reporting if we want to be honest and if our protests are honest, not just to get some credit and feel great. Here is a lie: " Hundreds of Nepalis living in the US today expressed solidarity for the ongoing five-party anti-regression movement by staging a pro-democracy rally in Washington". None of these photographs tell that its 100s (s at the end). While you can count the number even less than 4 dozens. I really hate such wrong reporting. I was so much annoyed by the other Diaspora stuffs. Its more propaganda of NRA while keeping hidden agendas of each individual involved in those campaigns. I want them to be genunine and honest. In trying to endorse the Diaspora 's petition, I am wondering they may use notorous Sujata to convince her father Girija to get it endorsed by Nepali Kangress. If they use Sujata to get their campaign endorsed by Nepali Kangress, I will call it a right motive and wrong path and Washington DC Nepalis reporting is also right intentions, but, wrong method. GP |
| Nepe | Posted
on 03-May-04 11:05 AM
Guru, You are correct in pointing out the error in the report of TKP. However, if you read my reporting in the very first posting, you must have noticed that I said "a small group of people". Many other media reported similarly too. As a matter of fact, I was waiting to comment on this disappointing turn out after what and if the organizer NYDCUSA has to say anything on this. I sensed, like you did, NYDCUSA was more after credit than after organizing a broadly participated rally. Nevertheless, as a strong supporter of pro-democracy movement, particularly the pro-republican voices of youth, I still think any news of solidarity, however small in number, from abroad is positive for the movement. That said, I criticize NYDCUSA for not caring to coordinate with large number local organizations which I am sure would have brought large number of people to the rally. I hope to see such rally in coming days as Samrat Gyanendra does not seems to As for your displeasure with Diaspora's petition and your suspicion about hidden agenda of the petitioners, what can I say ? You may be right. However, unfortunately, things gonna happen despite your displeasure and suspicion. The petition is signed now by HUNDREDS of people ! **** And had it been your genuine concern for yellow journalism (reference to TKP), I would have appreciated you a lot. But knowing your conservative right wing stand on just about everything for long, and absence of any tone of support and solidarity to pro-democracy, pro-republican movement of the country from you, I keep that for now. |
| Nepe | Posted
on 03-May-04 11:08 AM
>I hope to see such rally in coming days as Samrat Gyanendra does not seems to Read as, I hope to see such rally in coming days as Samrat Gyanendra does not seems to be ready yet to give up |
| dyamn | Posted
on 03-May-04 11:23 AM
I THINK THE RALLY IN DC IS A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE ON HOW TO DO PEACEFUL PROTEST. People throwing stones in the streets, and vandalizing public property should see the picture and learn how a protest should be. hahah... in Nepal there is no regulation... if there were regulation or check and balance , then our country would not be in such a horrible position. Had it been the US of A and those people be vandalizing the public property like that in the streets of DC, haha i can imagine how would the most democratic country in the world would treat those vandalizers.....in Nepal we need Law and Regulation first......Democracy in Nepal won't be successful until there is someone to check and balance the system.. when everyone is chor than there is no check and balance. thats the problem with Democracy in Nepal; no check and balance possible cuz all the politicians (most , i should say) are corrupted.... King is not the option but only solution to the current problem. Once the country is stable and safe from maoists, then we shoudl think of establishing democracy again.. at this current crisis of maoists and poverty and instability, we should all support the King instead of opposing him.. my two cents fellas.. don't take it personally hai.. |
| Garibjanata | Posted
on 03-May-04 12:43 PM
Nepe brother, You have proclaimed again and again here at Sajha your republican stand, you want monarchy to be finished for good. And yet in the picture above you are happily seen with a placard hanging down from your shirt beseeching " ......OUR KING TO RESTORE...." . A staunch pro-republican, you should have flinched at those words. sincerely, GARIBJANATA |
| Nepe | Posted
on 03-May-04 01:21 PM
Garibjanata, Interesting observation :-) I was carrying the official placard the organizer provided. As a matter of fact, I was thinking to prepare placard with my own pro-republican slogans. However, when I carefully read organizer's announcement and also literature at their website, I found them very mild and obscure about this issue. So I gave up the idea- basically not to put the organizers in discomfort. There is also a lot of obscurity in their petition to the king (posted above) and honestly I was not much impressed with the petition- for reasons obvious to those familiar with my views. However, as I wrote somewhere above, I felt good to see several pro-republicans in the rally. After seeing and hearing them, I regreted not bringing the placards with pro-republican slogans. If nothing I have much better handwriting than you see on the placard I was carrying :-) |
| nsshrestha | Posted
on 03-May-04 01:50 PM
Nepe Sir, Another nice observation :) you have srunk in size by the weight of placard. "Kina Chauris Marich? Afnai Piro le"; Dyam Bahadur, Play by the rules applies in a fair games. To the despots, play by the rule of the despots. I was amused by a line in Farah Pahlavi's "An Enduring Love" - the king planned to left the country to prevent the massacre. The king said - a Dictator can rule a country killing his own people but not a monarch. What would be the input of our OWN Maharaj? |
| JagaltayBhoot | Posted
on 03-May-04 02:45 PM
So these people in Washington want to restore democracy in Nepal???? They must be kidding, right?.............what do they want? another lost decade? Especially after seeing what the post-2046 leaders can do to the country, the "bhandbhailo and nautanki", I believe the King made a timely move to intervene and assume executive power........that move was long due. Crush 'em. Can anyone pls tell me what purpose restoration of democracy would fulfill in Nepal now?? cheers |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 03-May-04 04:18 PM
Bravo! Interesting and informative conversation going on here. The best thing here is that we seem capable of rational and civil discussion even on contentious issues like republicanism and monarchy. I take this as a sign that the Sajhapure chalfal is taking a turn for the better and it also speaks well for the future of democracy in Nepal! On the issue of the democracy demo in DC, I salute it as an expression of democracy. As someone already pointed out above, I hope people in Nepal would learn from this peaceful and non-violent form of protest. True democrat must not quit the moral high ground by taking short-cuts through violence, intimidation, lies, and abuses. In the final analysis, true democracy is as much about the due process as the end result itself. Democracy that comes as a result of violence, hatred, and lies will only reproduce more violence, hatred, and more lies to sustain itself...there is no other way. So let us get it right this time. Now just a quick comment on one of the banners in the picture which reads "We urge President Bush to Give Pressure to Our King to Restore Democracy in Nepal." First of all, the card holder assumes that the US president is in the business of restoring and dispensing democracy around the world. But is that assumption true? Any outstanding examples of such democratic restoration by Bush? Secondly, if our assumption is that Gyanendra is running the country undemocratically, how logical is to ask a foreign president who has no legal and moral authority to intervene? Bush has certainly not been elected by the Nepali people to sort things out democratically in Nepal, and there are a awaful lot of Americans who would swear that he has not been elected by them either! So my simple question to our friends here is under which democratic claim can Bush can be asked to fix things in Nepal? Unless of course we believe in the the inherent right of the Mahasamrat Umrikkan president to do regime change whenever he pleases. In this case this is not a democratic claim as the banners wants us to believe; it is just a matter of invoking a bigger power (US president) against a minipower(King Gyanendra). So the ultimate judge and deity for us is not the sacred values of democracy and its twin, sovereignty, but POWER in its true naked form! And when we behold such super power, we are ready to kneel down to submit our namra nibedans to His Imperial Majesty George II. When in the presence of such blinding imperial power, how quickly we get down on our knees and forget our republican and democratic pulpits used to brow-beat fellow Nepalis. Indeed, the last picture was quite revealing, it provides insight into the workings of the Nepali republican mindset. So, what is the essential difference between a Nepali who submits a binti patra to Gyanendra and another Nepali who submits a smilar binti patra to George? The former at least has the claim of a nation-state to do so. I always wonderd how imperialism came to be such a self-perpetuating enterprise throughout the centuries. With the Karzais, Chalabis, and Lendup Dorjes of the world willing to do the bidding for the imperial masters, it is no wonder it continues to be more successful than ever! God Save the Emperor, and damned be the King! |
| dyamn | Posted
on 03-May-04 04:29 PM
.. I am sorry to bring this curiosity out in the Public.. however, i think the reason to support king or wanting to throw the king has lots to do with what you last name is.. i think cheetries are king supporters, brahmans are anti king, Newar brothers are mad at both chhetries and bahuns so they are supporting and opposing both and mongolian brothers are just mad.. mad at the king, mad at the leaders and mad at everyone.. besides other mongolians.. so forget democracy , forget monarchy, i think it's all racism.. casticsm.... which is sad... ... however, thi s is just my curiosity hai.. don't bvash on me for no reason.. i'm entitled to have curiosity as a human being and as a Nepali i'm entitled to have curiosity about what's going on in my country... so let's vote.. and this is stricly for not starting another caste fight but just to help me fiure out if i'm right or wrong, please write your caste too.. so here it goes: Pleae continue this .... 1) Dyamn bahadru: chhetry : king Supporter... |
| anti_monarqi | Posted
on 03-May-04 05:48 PM
Yes I was in DC RALLY. I was bit disappointed with rally. However I am happy because there were some brave Nepalese who had gut to organize the rally in Washington DC. They showed their concerns about Nepal rather then sitting behind computer and bad mouthing about an effort and just saying peace peace. Yes I was disappointed with rally because we didn’t raise our voice for republican state. Beside that the really was very good I would take part again and again as long as they demand for republican state. And I was the person who said who said we should have demanded for republican state anti_monarchy@hotmail.com |
| dyamn | Posted
on 03-May-04 05:55 PM
anti monarch, you're right.. those ppl should've thorwn some stones at the white house and knocked some bar down on the streets of DC.. testo pani protest huncha ra ??? hoina ta , timi nai bhana ta?? na bar bhatkayko cha? na dhunga hanayko cha? na lathi charge?? na ta agadi agadi dhunga hannay phuchay haru cha ?? kasto andolon ho teyo , hoina ta anti monarch??? timi neta banna janu parnay ni .. kina na ga ko...next time hai.. white house mai dhunga lay hana hai.. ani timi Nepal usa sabai thau ma famous.. na dhatee bhana ta... timi nata gota ma ko ko cha neta haru? ani timro caste k ho?? euta survey gardai chu k ma yaha.. la ta guru ji, take care... |
| jivman | Posted
on 03-May-04 06:14 PM
Dyamn Brother: I think you are absolutely right. Chettris support king while brahuns favor the other side. Rest are confused and mad since we got failed state and pathetic netas. The whole movement with same leaders reminds me of changing my book cover in high school. |
| anti_monarqi | Posted
on 03-May-04 06:19 PM
Dynm you must of one of king's person. so dun twist things. where were you when paras was busy killing people? killing innocent people is worst then stoning and any way i dun support killing and destruction. Morachy looting is billons times worst then students throwing stones |
| dyamn | Posted
on 03-May-04 07:05 PM
monarch bro, what about your netas creating the situation like maoists who are killing thousanda of ppl? what about selling nation's resources and kill hundreds of ppl by flood , hunger and poverty?? those thing don't count... and your blah blah blah on king.. do you have som proof too or is it just one of the rumors that you guys spread to created hatered towards king.. like you guys did on our late wise King Birandra sarkar... some indian pittus said he has money in swiss bank and sellling the country. hahaha you all are so funny..and nasty at the same time... what's your caste.. don't lie.. and tell me how many of your relatives are in politics...???? don't lie.. |
| dyamn | Posted
on 03-May-04 07:08 PM
hahah i must be one of the king's person ray?? hahahahah DUH DUH DUH... hahaah i thought you figured something very secret.. i did menton that i support king.. you didn't understand such simple statement.....? hahahahahah Yes yes yes yes, i'm the king's supporter.. and i've furious blood towards all the crappy politicans.. |
| anti_monarqi | Posted
on 03-May-04 07:51 PM
Mr dyamn Here is couple of things for you. I am Nepali. there is my caste for u.If netas are corrupted put them in jail and vote them out but what can you do when Paras’s son gets 12.5 laks while millions of Nepali kids go hungry. And those hungry kids’ parents have to pay to pares’s kid. If that is not looting by monarchy then I dun know what is looting. 2nd it seems u hate bahun. If that the cause you should hate monarchy system too cause present king has bahun blood. And if hate Indians then you should hate monarchy system too cause this king grad mom was an Indian and this king daughter in law is Indian too. And when this king was doing business wearing prince hat his business partners were Indian too. So for me it seems king is more willing and ready to sell Nepal to Indian. If person can’t trust his own Nepali for business and relationship how could I believe he wouldn’t sell Nepal?. |
| Kurikuri | Posted
on 03-May-04 08:26 PM
Nice demonstration of peaceful protest and maturing Sajhaites in their logical debate. However, is the constitution of Nepal framed in 1990 still active, is any one giving a shit about it. Will a new one be given due respect and implemented, a big question. Nepalese have always quest at changes far quicker then they can handle, consequences Ghandram-Ghundhrum and sabai bhadragol. Dymn bro, the last thing the nation can cope at this hour of bloodshed is your casteline division of patriotism. You brother anti-monarqi moron stop this hate equation, should we hate you because someone in the hate list you mentioned may chain up to your lineage. |
| dyamn | Posted
on 03-May-04 08:32 PM
i don't hate bahuns.. but i can tell you are one.. which is okay for me.. just wanted to make some points.. and it's getting easy for me to understand that this all monarchy anti-monarchy thing is dirty caste based issue... well most part, i would say to be in a safer side.. who told you that the king has bahun blood? and if you don't have problems with caste shinz why did yo ubring it up in the first place.. you're the one who's getting more furious about caste system that me.. Nepali ???>hmmmmm ,ya you're one heck of a Nepali who support the chor politicans.. put them in a jail?? ya we would if they did not have the support of "Nepali" like you... you guys should use your head and think who are those people who is going to take the power if the king gives up.... Paras's son can take 12 corore.. if govinday son can do spend thousands of dollars or lakhas or Rs. and other politicans can do the same.. why cna't the king of Nepal and the New prince can live like a king?? I don't think the king is spending money lavishly.. well , he's the king he has to maintain his status.. don't forget He's the king.. not a neta.... also the king is not spending like organizing nude parties like sultan of Brunei(sp) does.. he's doing what a king should do living up like a king.. now don't tell our king to wear dhoti topi and chew banarase pan like your pitthuus desh drohi netas do.... |
| dyamn | Posted
on 03-May-04 08:34 PM
Kurikuri: i know wat you mean.. i'm sad to , but it's the truth.. a bitter truth i would say. .. my philosophy is always go for the disease not the symptom.. this anti -monarch and monarch shitnz is all cast shitnz.. seriously.. think wisely and take the reality... |
| anti_monarqi | Posted
on 03-May-04 09:13 PM
I was not who brought caste issues here and I wasn’t one who was asking anyone’s caste who posted messages here. I am saying put politicians in jail if they steal money. I never justify any one looting country money, but you are trying to justify king looting money from Nepalese people to pay his grand son 12.5 laks every year. And a peon has to work more then 50 years to make kind of money. If Paras and his wife can’t feed their kids with their salaries (37.5 laks per year) then they shouldn’t have kids. No other parents get money from Nepal govt if they have new babies. And MR Dyamn I dun have any problem if you give all of your money to paras kids but I have problem when millions Nepalese kids go hungry and paras kids get money from Nepal govt. |
| Epitome | Posted
on 03-May-04 09:21 PM
You are right bro, why should the sweat and tears of Nepalese feed and afford luxury for some. But sadly, that is the rule of nature every hive have a queen and every flock a leader. Is it the head that is not working or the body and tail that is not co-ordinating. Kurikuri, is right we can hate and like someone but should not generalize on basis of caste, creed and religion. It will further widen the growing mistrust among different communities that provides us a single identity as a Nepali. Waiting for peace to return, and prosperity to set up in my homeland |
| vivashme | Posted
on 03-May-04 10:33 PM
Here is Sangita Rayamajhi ji's view about Nepali Diaspora's appeal ( http://nepalidiasporaforpeace.org ): From KOL Editorial: http://www.kantipuronline.com/kolnews.php?&nid=11282 |
| Hellbound | Posted
on 04-May-04 08:55 AM
I liked Suva Chintak's comments regarding the person who is holding the banner:"We urge President Bush to Give Pressure to Our King to Restore Democracy in Nepal." Suva Chintak posed valid questions. Let's think how commonsensical it looks to ask foreign government to pressurize our King for restoring democracy. Again restoring??? From the other thread, I remember somebody said the democracy -- which was handed over to the leaders in 1990-- was already handicapped. Now, why do they want the same handicapped democracy that Deuwa returned to the King to be ‘restored’? Remember in the context of Nepal, should the democracy was given for experiment for 12 years, king reserve all rights to take it back after noticing numerous abuses/misuses. Just like a father in a house, King is the only sovereign who can fix any flaws and disabled part the system. However, it’s unfortunate that the king has been sluggish in his action to fix things that are major problems of our failed state. Maoist problem remains the same, while solidarity of five parties is making the situation even worse. Nepe said, “It is true that the top leadership of parties still remain sorry players of the same musical kursi that did not represent the sovereignty of Nepali people although they were told otherwise. However, lower level political workers have become a part of a national awakening that our civil society and common people are going through.” Would you please show me any new faces amongst these people who are likely to govern the country? Right now, all of them are agreeing upon making Sher Bahadur , who speaks gibberish in public?? They all know that this guy is dim-witted/senseless, and they think they can depose him easily later for their own ravenousness. |
| Nepe | Posted
on 04-May-04 10:05 AM
Those who are fearful of Maharaj Gyanendra's desire to regain the lost autocratic rule, shout or support those saying 'Gyane Chor: Desh Chhod' and call for international community to put pressure on Maharaj Gyanendra to quit his dream, please keep quite and listen. Look who is here. Saubhagya Chandra Shah, aka Shuva Chintak of the Royal Palace, loyal to the house of Gorkha by birth, the chief mentor of all Mandalés in Sajha, has something importnat to say. Saubhagya raja is not only giving unbeatable logic (straight from Harvard ! Mind you. ) that shields Gyanendra Shah from any kind of headache his majesty does not wish, he is also lecturing on decency and democracy ! Let us not recall how Saubhagya raja, in his finely trained aristrocratic style, brings conversation that is intellectually uncomfortable to him to a dead end by invoking his proud visit to whore houses in Mongolia, his fantasies of hoarding harems and lustful description of organs of a female body. Let us not go back to where he, without a strand of shame, called the aandolankari which includes journalists, professors, lawyers, writers, artists and many other section of civil society among others, Rs.250/day shock troop of Girija. Let's forget he calls our own Sajhaite 'galli ko bhusyaha kukur' and 'babu CHA'. So where was I ? Oh yes, decency. So here is our Saubhagya raja changed overnight into a stainless Sadhu praising the decency shown by Sajhaites. Good job, raja. **** There isn't a better entertainment than to see how a sworn anti-democracy fellow talks about democratic freedom when he needs it put his things. Keep watching for Saubhagya raja and his loyal comrade IsoFreak occasionally emphasizing the importance of democracy ! **** So, take home lesson for a Nepali from bidwan Saubhagya raja is this- Maharaj Gyanendra or any dictators should be shielded from any international pressure. All right, next time when any such pressure comes from any foreign and international power- US, Europeans or even UN, I will rally carrying a placard that reads 'Shut up. Let our king do what he wants' I bow to thee, your highness Saubhagya raja. For now a loyal subject of royal family of Shah dynasty, Nepe ********* Hellbound wrote: >Would you please show me any new faces amongst these people who are > likely to govern the country ? What do you mean ? You mean a person to be picked by the king to appoint him to govern the country ? Or after we are done with the king, in republic Nepal ? If the former, then just about anybody. Because so long as the king retains the power, constitutional or para-constitutional, there is nothing he can do except keeping on doing the old style corruption. If the later, then again just about anybody. Anybody who is directly elected by whole population of the country (I am assuming a khaka of a new constitution without elaborating, hai). If you are pointing to the corrupt bunch of current leaders, let me give you a clue- Republic Nepal is about the system where nobody will be above the law. Law will rule. If you mean there is not even a single person good enough, then here is a homework for you. Give me 20 names that should not be governing Nepal. I promise I'll show you the faces of thousands of Nepalis who should govern Nepal. I hope you got the hint of what I am trying to say to you. You are completely in a different world- obsessed with the monarchy, blinded by it. Get over it. Open your eyes. See the possibilities. See the ocean of good Nepali leaders. You may even find yourself among them, Hellbound ji. |
| Nepe | Posted
on 04-May-04 10:30 AM
More on DC rally from sebsonline - http://www.sebsonline.org/forum/forum_view.aspx?F=1&T=55641 |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 04-May-04 10:41 AM
Khadku kazi! Kina testo saro padkeko? I haven't said anyting to you...where does this venom come from? Why are you becoming so outright mean, personal, and abusive? I fail to fathom your vendetta against me, but may be you need some psychiatric help. Where and why did I call someone galliko ko kukur? Could you specify the context, and perhaps the provocation that prompted that kind of intemperate outburst from me? Could the present unprovoked and completely out of the blue verbal assault qualify for such an response? I levave it to your judgement. And finally, nowhere have I denied your right to bear a banner, for whatever cause..be it republicanism or communist dictatorship (of course with a fig leaf of democracy). So why are you accusing me of denying you that right? How much can you lie to make a vile point? Don't you have basic integrity when you accuse people of what you know they have not said or not meant? Kazi, don't stoop so low that you go under the gutter...floating is OK. Why do you depend on false galli galouch when you know you have no logical or reasonable answer left. Why not be a man and accept that you made a false claim and stand to be corrected? After all, we all make shaky statements and are ready to accept when better logic or evidence is presented. Perhaps the totalitarian training during those formative years renders that impossible, no? PS: Just curious, I would be deeply indebted to you if you could explain to me how George Bush becomes the 'International Community' in your logic and how submitting a binti patra to His Imperial Majesty George II (here I think you are more royal than I will ever be...kneeling down; so cute, so poignant!) becomes an invitation to the International Community? And, what by the way, is an International Community? Don't bother if all you have is anger, respond to these questions only if you have anything other than vile accusations and bitter venom. Good day to you komrad kazi turned demokrat saab! |
| nsshrestha | Posted
on 04-May-04 11:29 AM
Nepe Sir and Suva Chintak Sir, Sangfroid is not just a name of a bird that nests in the white beards. Til Chamale dari ma pani samyamata phalchha. Need a seed? Hehe After being singled out in his own turf, King Gyanendra has no one but the Americans and Indians. Suva Chintak does not want to see the limping Gyanendra be amputated by Nepalese diospora voicing against the international support that he enjoys. His wishful thinking, let him have it, but definitely we need to put a check on his unmitigated effrontary once in a while. Some one is doing it..Good Job!!!! Bikh ko brikchhya ma Bikh nai falchha(Nepali Ukhan matrai, though I do not believe in inheritance of moral character), but the course can be reversed in this scientific age, out own Dr. Nepe sir is Daktar, wanna give a shot? :)))00 |
| GIJane | Posted
on 04-May-04 12:55 PM
Saw the picture and saw the postings. I do not understand why anybody, in this case Nepe, want to divulge other people's identity. What did that add to the dialog that had been going on? What did Nepe's answers add to what Suva Chintak asked? From Nepe's posting one can infer he has been fuming forSC's past misdeeds (if there was any, I don't know. I am sort of new here). Nepe, I have a request for you. Why don't you start a new thread where you just vent out and save your sane and logical (if you do have any) answers to a relevant thread. This outburst was totally uncalled for. SC has some valid questions. Please try to answer those. I am watching and listening. |
| Dr. Strangelove | Posted
on 04-May-04 01:09 PM
Unmitigated Effrontery? I think it's you, Komrade Nepe and AM who've been brazenly spewing venom who need to have your inculcations checked. I think Nepe is mad because SC disclosed his previous incarnation as a die-hard communist. But, now he's all for democracy...jaisa desh oisha vesh...." Naye Musalman bahoot pyaaz khata hai"!! Hey, why not, right? Lal Salaam to you, Doc! |
| netaa_ji | Posted
on 04-May-04 02:38 PM
Does jumping up and down in DC make any difference to the realities of Nepal. How about doing a "DC-Banda" for 2 days in protest to the Ganendra's action of detaining Girja and Madav Nepal and other netaas ? |
| nsshrestha | Posted
on 04-May-04 03:51 PM
Dr. StrangGlove, Kow-tow to you too Sir!!! So what brings you here today? Are you here to whistle in the same tune of Suva Chintak Sir or just opt for lip sinking? Can I ask you a question ? Can I ? Yo charam dhristata ko lagi risani Maff hos.:) Did you both attend the same seminary? You both are so enthused to take the life out of Naye Mullahs. Poor Creature, warned him of 9/11. He hates Naye Mullahs’ reading Namaz and you hate him eating Pyaj. Bichara Mullah, na namaz padhne sukha chha, na pyaj khane sukha. Reminds me of our Pancha Kabi Madhav Ghimire – Yi hase pani sukha chhaina malai yinale birse ni ama bhani, Yi roye pani sukha chhaina malai yinale samjhe ni ama bhani. Nisthur samjhana haru pani, Link List jasto, puchhar ko kunai theganai chhaina.:) Hubris could be fatal, only if you are in the wrong side. Hajur kai Mahanbani.:) |
| dyamn | Posted
on 04-May-04 05:42 PM
Suva Chintak bro, Just wanted to write some lines to you and tell you that you are not alone. After all what matters is whether you're right or not, and whether you feel right doing something or not.. your stance is legitimate, and realistic in compare to so called revolunatary fashon followers outside the white house holding sigh board for president bush to do some miracle. What those people don't realize is king is the only solution to the current situation in Nepal. I think some people are mad at Suva C bro cuz not his ideas but for personal reasons. Nepe , you did a very low class job on revealing SC identity. Although i'm glad to know suva C real identiy i still think that you crossed the limit of being a good sajalite , and i was expecting some educated response from you but so far no luck besides some emotional crap as your logic. nnshrestha or whatever, i know why you're mad at the king. You still hate the king for what prithivi Narayan shah did to Newars from kathmandu , bhaktapur and patan... i know racist people like you who have no logic and you base your reasons on deep rooted feeling of hatred and revenge.. if the King was a Newar.... you would be supporting him in here.... King's supporter, Dyamn bahadurrrr :) |
| anti_monarqi | Posted
on 04-May-04 06:32 PM
.I would oppose monarchy system even if king was a God. So basically I don’t care who is king. I oppose the system. For me bottom line is none elected person has no right to be head of state Here are few reasons why we need president instead of ( seto hatti) Monarchy system. We need president so we Nepalese don’t have to pay 5 laks to his each nephew’s (brother side) wife per year as long as he lives. We need president so we Nepalese don’t have to pay 8 laks to his each nice (his brother side) per year as long as they live. We need president so we Nepalese don’t have to pay 10 laks to his each nephew (brother side). Per year as long as they live We need president so we Nepalese don’t have to pay10 laks to his each daughter’s year as long as they live. We need president so we Nepalese don’t have to pay 8 laks 25 hajar to his 2nd daughter-in-law per year as long as he lives. We need president so we Nepalese don’t have to pay 10 laks to his 2nd son per year as long as he lives. We need president so we Nepalese don’t have to pay 12 laks 50 hajar to each of his brothers as long as they live. We need president so we Nepalese don’t have to pay 10 laks to each of his sister-in-law per year as long as they live. We need president so we Nepalese don’t have to pay 12.5 laks to his first grand son and 8.75 laks to each other additional grand sons per year as long as they live. We need president so we Nepalese don’t have to pay 6 laks 25 hajar 500 to each of his grand daughter per year as long as they live. We need president so we Nepalese don’t have to pay his first son 25 laks every year as long he lives We need president so we Nepalese don’t have to pay 12.5 laks to each of his daughter-in-law per year as long as she lives. We need president so we Nepalese don’t have to pay his mom and grand mom 50 laks each per year as long as they live. We need president so we Nepalese don’t have to pay his wife 25 laks each year as long as she lives. We need president so we Nepalese have to pay 1 crods plus 25 heavy and 25 light gold coins every year as long as he live And finally we need president so if he uses 142 millions people money to buy 3 luxury cars people would have chance to vote him out from power. We need president so people could vote him out, if his son kills couples of people and day light. DOWN WITH CURRUPT MONARCHY AND KILLER MAO. |
| nsshrestha | Posted
on 04-May-04 06:56 PM
Here comes the solidarity of a clueless!! Suva Chintak was doing good logically until THEY joined. What a pain for the master. :) Dyam Bahadur, Race is a non-issue here. Principle of ruling prerogatives of the king has long gone from the civilized society. There is neither moral justification for his rule nor a political one. The question is how long should we be the inhabitants of political hinterlands, kowtowing the king in this modern era? I want to be governed by my kind. And it is not much of a demand, is it? |
| Prem Charo | Posted
on 04-May-04 07:36 PM
nsshrestha, I don't understand you and all others who are making of big deal of King !! Why don't they (DC Protesters) don't protest against maoist. Are they suffering with blind vision or what? Seems like they are only protesting for party not for country nor peace. Otherwise they would be against of maoist first then king. It is just a matter of priority. Whom we wanna throw first. What is your answer Maoist or King ?? God bless Nepal Sundar shanta bishal..Vanne charo : Prem Charo |
| dyamn | Posted
on 04-May-04 08:08 PM
.. the people are not only the supporter of anti king protest but also the supporter of the following things directly or indirectly: a) supporters of corrupted politicans b) supporters of son's and daughters and the relatives of corrupted politicans. c) supporters of maoists. d) supporters of thier party for immediate gain rather than long run gain from the development of the country. e) Supporters of violence. f) supporters of selling Nepal to India. g) supporters of pushing Nepal further backward in the darkness of poverty and hard living. h) supporters of all the corrupted police, army, and civil servants. i) supporters of the people who want instability in the country so they can make profits by fooling people.. j)supporters of vandalizers who vandalize our public property.. .. and the list goes on.... |
| Epitome | Posted
on 04-May-04 08:11 PM
Nepe you have reached the zenith of your personal grudge by attack on Suv Chintak, it is his greatness that replied in this soft manner. You may dislike the king, but there are others who consider him relatively better then all these mofo leaders and their chamchas. You talk republican system, first learn to respect the existing laws. If games are not played by the rule and law then it is a jungle and in a jungle rule there has to be some one in the food pyramid to check and balance. I don,t blame the leaders only, it is their advisors and we people who back them with selfish motive of gaining individual advantage over the cost of the rest. It is this system that has to be fought for, not chanting republican slogan as the only solution. We have seen the mess of unregulated and unguided rule. Everything have to be achieved slowly and consolidated before further advancement is made. Hence, let us concentrate on the existing system of governance, and consolidate it, and then when the nation will have leaders or diplomats or advisors then you can infiltrate your republican ideas. Mind you you talk for yourself, you may represent a small mass but not the whole populace, so listen and respect what others have to say to counter your views. Don't repeat the divison of the society on basis of belief in system of governence and ideology as the leaders of congress and communists did immediately after the 1990 movement. Have a good look what was the impact of that division, luckily the dudes understood better late then never, so try to convience others about your views, not impose your parrotic chants, and baboonic attacks. |
| anti_monarqi | Posted
on 05-May-04 05:18 AM
I was in protest. I dun have to tell you anything about me but I would anyway. Cause of sick of your baseless accusation. I am not any party member nor do I support any parties. Yes I would support that party or parties who believe in republican state with multiparty system. I believe “you can’t take anyone life you can’t give life”. In that basis I oppose Mao. I don’t know how privilege you are but in my case I am very ordinary person. Most of my family members are teachers. We are not connected in with any one or anyway with parties and leaders. In my family too we have people who dun share my view. But for me it is a question of equality. For me it is a question of human right. For me it is question of basic right. I am just asking the right to vote for head of state of my choosing. Billons of people of the world have that right. And I believe head of state should be elected. Who knows king G might run for president and win? In that cause I would accept him as my elected leader. There could be all short of people who are in protest. I am an independent I dun support Mao and monarchy. I wouldn’t be beneficial if they system changes in Nepal over night. You must be young it could be beneficial to you. People like you who are very articulate can fit any system. The basis of my opposing monarchy is not past or present or who did what. “In 21st century I can’t accept any one as head of state because he/she comes from certain family or clan. Head of state should be elected not selected” That is why I oppose monarchy system all over the world not just in Nepal. . |
| rbaral | Posted
on 05-May-04 05:33 AM
It has been long observed that some of the sajhaites are enjoying the privilege of other people's identity. I am not sure if sajha administration has to do something with this cherished play of 'knowledge sharing'. I agree that there could be some serious points why we should retain monarchy. But none of the reasons so far advocated have enough ground. On top of that, the recent track Raja has chosen to tread has only raised questions. Shanai Pantha. |
| Kale_Ko_Chartikala | Posted
on 05-May-04 06:19 AM
I got this from a friend of mine. Enjoy and think about it. --------------- goes like this ----------------------------------- Let us consider Nepal a human body. The monarchy of nepal is an appendix of the body. It has no significant function and it is not necessary for a body. Should the appendix be removed, the body functioning will not be hampered and it operates as naturally as it operates with the appendix. However in normal situation we don't remove the appendix. Why? Because for this one has to undergo operation, the doctor is required, money is required, and there is small risk of the wound being infected. So, the point is in the case of normalcy we should not opt for an operation to remove the appendix though it has no any importance to our body (if you guys have seen any positive role of the appendix or in our case the monarchy in last couple of hundred years pls let me know. I would be grateful to you). Now the question is: do we have our appendix normal? NO. The appendix is not only abnormal but it had developed tumors and it is now in the chronic stage. I will explain below its development pattern and its negative impact in the body. The appendix was not that bad in the early stages (i am saying so as i haven't studied much of the historiography prior to the rana regime) however since some last 150 years the appendix developed a tumor (read ranas; and remember these are the offshoots of the same appendix ie the shahs). With this tumor of the appendix, the body became sort of defunct. Its progress retarted. The resources, the energy of the body were sucked in by these two. Result: the body become so weak, malnourished-- like the body of a boy you see of an ethiopean in the pictures. In 1950 the tumor was removed by an operation called saat salko kranti. Only tumor was removed because people didnot till then know that the appendix is an useless part of the body. Though the tumor was removed the body was still weak and vulnerable and also there were its offshoots which couldnot be removed. within some time the appendix again started to hamper in the functioning of the body. By 1960s the appendix was developed into a cancer—fulfledged. This no need to say took the body into same position as it was in pre 1950 stage; even worse, to be precise. In 1990 through the jana andolan we performed a chemotherapy/radiotherapy to contain the inflamation of the appendix (how fool we were!). This for the time being put a halt in the functioing of the appendix. Then after the other body parts (read the political parties) started to function. But since they were not been able to function in the past, self correcting antibodies/mechanisms were deficient in these organs. Result was that they could not function well even after the chemo in 1990. And the foods that the body would take had impurities in them (read the impurities as the inability of the civil society and so called intelligentia having no idea and no attempt in checking the malfunctioning of these body parts). Though the chemo was performed in the appendix but since it was a fulfledged cancer it was natural that it would again start growing. However nobody noticed the regeneration of the cancer and after some time it started to engulf one of the part of the body (read the maoists party). Though the important organisms had started producing antibodies or self correcting mechanisms (eg different acts; also remember here that more than 75 perecent of the MPs of 2051-56 vs lost in the election of 56) the process was slow; deformitites were numerous. And on top of that the appendix again had started hampering in the functioning of the body and it had helped in formation of tumor (or is it cancer?) in another body part (maoists taking arms). The cumulative effect is: in 2004 the body is nearly disfunctional. The appendix having the final stage cancer and another primitive stage cancer of a body part is lethal to the body. The body is dying and demands immediate intervention. Now we have to decide what to do. My prescription is to perform an operation (ie andolan) to remove the appendix from the body and also perform a chemotherapy/radiotherapy to contain the cancer of the other body part. Do you guys still want the appendix with the final stage cancer still be remained in the body? i know some of you guys would still opt for the chemo ie in containing the appendix but till when? how long will it take you guys to join my side ie the "OPERATION REMOVE APPENDIX") This idea is in the formative stage. So will be happy if you all could share your ideas on this analysis. |
| saroj | Posted
on 05-May-04 07:09 AM
The question of the day: Did George Bush even know about this rally? If the intention of these people is to get noticed or get heard they need to do better than that. How about amassing 1000 people and block the street in DC for half an hour, and make it to the NEWS. Maybe then, they will be heard. Otherwise, it's all ado about nothing! |
| vivashme | Posted
on 05-May-04 07:11 AM
Kale_Ko_Chartikala ji, great analogy from your friend...and the body is none other than our dear mother's...may be the medicines available in Nepal are not sufficient and doctors in Nepal need help (lack of sufficiant education) to make the appendix disfunctional...we, the sons/daughters who live outside Nepal can try to search for better medicine and offer our help in the operation (I think Diaspora for Peace petition and DC rally are good starting points and we have long way to go)..there is no question in my mind that we need the operation as your friend rightly pointed out.we do need to think about which cancer to treat first to save our mother.. More direct answer to why the second part of body got the cancer may be found on following paper that I posted earlier: http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/OpenThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=15281 Will post the full paper soon if there is interest…currently talking to author for permission... |
| Nepe | Posted
on 05-May-04 06:35 PM
>Why not be a man and accept that you made a false claim and stand to be corrected? SC, Your series of making mockery of pro-democracy aandolankari and their supporters may have partly provoked me to remind you your own aukaat and let readers know where all this was coming from (kinda my small contribution to this difficult and historical fight for democracy in the country). However, nowhere have I falsified, misquoted or misrepresented you as you have claimed. Could you please specify what FALSE CLAIM I have made ? I will certainly stand corrected, if you kindly specify one. That said, what I said is all true. You could not take a little bit of sarcasm (kahaan gayo, your signature wicked sense of humor ? Or that's only from you ? ) Two words about raja ko aani-baani ra kahani ke was pronounced, raja ta fatrak fatrak paribaksyo ni ? And did you really need to take solace in victimhood for defense ? What's all this.. venom.. stooping low.. assault..vendetta.. mean..psychiatric ? ******** By the way, although this was not a background for my previous posting, now I remember, because you have repeated it again, you have tried to misrepresent me several times, I suppose, in full awareness of what we are doing. I want to know why. Let me quote you, ...for whatever cause..be it republicanism or communist dictatorship (of course with a fig leaf of democracy). So you are saying I personally believe in communist dictatorship and talk about democracy to put a cover on my true self. Look babu saheb, I know you have love for dictatorship and so you do not find this word derogatory. However, to me, who lost faith in communism almost two decades ago and have since believed in freedom, diversity (uneqality in communist term !) and democracy religiously, communist dictatorship is an insulting gaali. You can love Gyanendra, Saddam (you think Iraq was flourishing under Saddam !), Musoloni, Mao or Pol Pot (you probably have some theory to justify them), but don't insult me by associating me with any totalitarian ideology, okay ? *********** You wrote: Why do you depend on false galli galouch when you know you have no logical or reasonable answer left. Why not be a man and accept that you made a false claim and stand to be corrected? After all, we all make shaky statements and are ready to accept when better logic or evidence is presented. I can not believe you can go to this level of pomposity. You are talking about the words in the placard and your 'logic' for why that is wrong, right ? SC, so it was really a serious logic from you ? I thought it was a light humor. Now that you have claimed, let me show how childish, how illogical and funny your grand argument was. Since our newcomer friend GIjane ji too says you had a valid question which I did not answer re, let me go invite him too, hai ? Come with me. ******* GIjane ji, Welcome to the wonderful land of Sajha. Since you are a new comer, I will respect your early observation. And of course your opinion will always be respected. You sound a reasonable man in your remarks. So here is my quick reply to your queries. I did not find cross-reference to other threads and information adding anything to THE dialog going on. Well depends on what answer you are looking for. The you wrote: >SC has some valid questions. Please try to answer those. I am watching and listening. I am not trying to be rude or something, but wouldn't it have added more to 'the dialog' if you had added your own 'answer' to the 'valid question' you identified in SC's posting here- instead of watching and listening as a ramitey ? That said, I am interested to know what valid question did you find in SC's posting that I did not answer ? If you ask me, there was only one valid question, and very very silly too, and I already answered that in words that was appropriate. May be our readings are different. Long note short, this was shuva Chintak's grand question.objection/logic, whatever is claimed, in a paraphrase: How can you request a president of a foreign country, in this case the president of the USA to put pressure on our king to restore [whatever limited] democracy we had, he took away, when -ha ha- he he- hoo hoo- this is interesting- you can not beat my logic- when- come on everybody, let me show you how easily I discredit these demonstrator's request- and particularly that chap holding the placard- you are all listening, right- ok, here I go- when- oh ! I am so excited- all right, all right- I am speaking- when.. when the president of the USA is-not-elected-by-Nepali-people. Dangg !!!!!!! Naturally, to such a grand logic of Harvard educated (sorry again for divulging whatever), I should surrender. So I did. Please go back and read my answer in surrender. It's there. ******* Now to other dear friends, Dr. Strange, > I think Nepe is mad because SC disclosed his previous incarnation as a die-hard communist. Wrong. Neither am I afraid to disclose my initial political life, nor I regret. Nor anybody was needed to disclose. I have proudly shared my history here in Sajha on several occasion since more than two years ago. Go, search and read my old postings. ****** Epitome, You will probably would not believe, but I don't keep PERSONAL grudges with anybody. open IDEOLOGICAL differences, yes. PERSONAL grudges, no. And for your verdict about the zenith, sorry brother, you don't qualify for the jury. You have your own case. ****** rbaral ji, Curiosity is human. Regarding SC, I thought he does not mind it because he has given enough clues by himself in this board to identify him. He does not appear too eager to protect his identity. Hence my dhrishtata. Any way, If he minds, I certainly will apologize. |
| Usher | Posted
on 05-May-04 07:53 PM
I don't understand lots of us here. Somebody dared to speak for the country inspite of residing away from home country. Whatever is going on there ( who ever is the reason for it) is not right and somebody should be there to protest it. What that has got to do with which political background the person in question was from. Nepe ji, that was smart of you to be part of the rally. Applaud! It's lot better than writing long desertion here in sajha. My two cents. |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 05-May-04 08:11 PM
Nepe jyu, I am still waiting for your calm, rational, and civil response to my simple question, which was: "I would be deeply indebted to you if you could explain to me how George Bush becomes the 'International Community' in your logic and how submitting a binti patra to His Imperial Majesty George II (here I think you are more royal than I will ever be...kneeling down; so cute, so poignant!) becomes an invitation to the International Community? And, what by the way, is an International Community?" Here, let me make it clear: I am not challenging your right to kneel down in front of anyone in the world. All I am asking you is what is your rationale for doing that, how do you politically justify that act? Why is it so hard for you to answer that? Or why should you be so angry when some one asks you that? What you spewed out was a lot of abusive heat, hardly any light on the issue we are trying to discuss. So if you don't mind, could you give it another try? You mentioned that you converted from being a communist rabble to a demokrat two decades ago. But from the way you engage in these verbal assaults and the way you try to annihilate people who question your claims, it seems you only changed your political suit (from Mao tunic to a sport jacket) to make it convenient for your stay in this "imperialistic, capitalistic" empire; your communistic dictatorial attitude towards difference of opinion has not changed. You want to kill the disaffected elements, if not physically, then certainly verbally. Unlike you, I am willing to stand behind my claims unless proven wrong with facts. Yes, I did say that Iraq had made great strides in social and economic sectors prior to 1990 when it attacked Kuwait and subsequently was destroyed by the Western powers, led by the US. So just because you want to be on the good books of His Imperial Majesty G II you are willing to say that Iraq is now much better with the US occupation? Could you care to give us more examples of this betterment? Unlike you who changes his political loyalties according to contingent political interests, I tend to take a more long term historical perspective. Again despite your claims that you converted to democracy X number of years ago (who was the high priest who baptised you to the new faith ... $$$ perhaps?), you still have the same temperament and tactics that the communist thugs use everywhere. If you lose the argument, if you don't have any logic or evidence left, what do you do? Start jumping up and down, shout, throw stones, burn tires, break windows, make personal attacks, blame their blood, attack their genes, anything, even their school, their home. Nothing is sacred for a commie. This is the idea of total war...and only a true communist can master its tactics. What I think you are doing here is the same...the cyber equivalent of the dhunga muda, galli galoch, tire burning, bus smashing, and railing uprooting. I have this request for you: if you realy are proud of how you interact and say in these postings, please try to show this thread to some of your American and international collegues and ask them what they think of your participation and ideas. Why do I keep remembering the time when Man Mohan Adhikari and the other communist stalwarts used to visit the US. When they were introduced in the public functions here, they would always say that they leader of the "Opposition party", they would never reveal that they were from the Communist party. The same way the Communists in Nepal take down all the pictures of Marx and Lenin when the US Ambassador comes to visit them and instead put up pictures of Abraham! How much can you lie? Have they sold their souls? Why the doublespeak? I wonder if the same tendency is going on among some of us....it certainly feels like being in the Animal Farm where the big brother of all people keeps bombarding the hapless souls on the virtues of democracy and people's rights and that the comrade alone is the prince in shining armour for liberty. Hopefully a helpful response this time! |
| cool_keta | Posted
on 05-May-04 09:02 PM
Prem charo, u disgust me man. I feel like grabbing my gulayli and shooting you down. Why are you against nepalese folks anyways? Whats wrong with people here trying to show their patriotism towards nepal? Just because you are selfish dont make other peopole like u. So please stfu.If i was there i would go too. |
| cool_keta | Posted
on 05-May-04 09:07 PM
Prem charo, baltin ke pani mein duubkar maro, kuch sense wali baat karo plz |
| Prem Charo | Posted
on 05-May-04 09:16 PM
Cool keta, I think you didn't get my point. I was saying protester should be against of maoist considering present situation of Nepal. Next would be king. What's wrong with it? PS: Using dirty words ( stfu) doesen't make you any impressive and friendly attitude. Prem Charo :) Hawaii |
| Epitome | Posted
on 05-May-04 09:41 PM
Hey Kale, nice analogy but the appendix or vestigeal part you mentioned was wrong. Indeed monarchy is vestigeal part in Nepalese society, and has to gradually be discarded not by operation but by gradual evolution of mass intelectual upliftment. Yes, it is indeed a vestigeal for humans, but for monkeys "the tail" is an essential part to swing and control their fall-after all body is body be in human or monkey. With leaders like monkeys, populace even monkier, tail is indeed essential unless we learn to be more civilized in sense of democratic approach. Nepeji, you don,t need to be a jury, anyway can feel the venom spilling out of the cup once it is ovefilled. |
| nsshrestha | Posted
on 05-May-04 09:48 PM
Suva Chintak, If summerized your two postings, other than your personal rancors, what you have said is human is a non progressive entity. Moral characters are inherent.Once a communist remains a communist, so are the royalist. Remember the Sketch of Condercet? Is this what you have learned in Social Anthropology? Pundit you have come to a full circle after 10 years. I do not know what do they teach in sociology 101 these days to refer you:) |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 05-May-04 10:11 PM
nsshrestha, I have tried to avoid you like the plague, but you keep trying to harass and heckle me me on any pretext. Somewhere above I say you mentioning civilization. Does that mean being civil, at the very least? From you numerous ramblings against me, I think you are a very insecure chap who needs a lot of attention and reassurance. You will go to any length to draw attention to your self. You see, I would be most happy to oblige you in the most considerate manner possible, were it not for your foul breath. The muck on Tukucha isn't nearly as bad. So if you do want to have a conversation, please do so with the basic courtesy (you know about civilization, right?). Otherwise, I request you not to post anything at me in the future. Is that too much to ask? Another suggestion: try to contribute to the issue being debated, not attack the person in doing the debate. Another of those civilization point, if you remember. You have always been very rude towards me. But why are you also insulting your "Mulla" by suggesting that "once a communist, always a communist"? Didn't you read him say that it is the worst insult anybody can throw at him? You better watch out, that guy be a good match for you in your beloved mud-slining. Between the two of you, you have managed to make this thread pretty decrepit looking by now. |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 05-May-04 10:28 PM
Like I said before, If you are real nice and behave, I will tell you how Sociology 101 would have you refer to me ;--) So you have been talking around, I always knew you would figure this out. You were a smart kid even when I last saw you all those 10 plus years ago. It is strange how time flies...and we have come full circle, you are right! |
| niksnpl | Posted
on 06-May-04 01:32 AM
I am now very very sure that this SC aka asubhachintak...... is propaganda minister/ambassador of Gyane. It wasn't discovered from the observation of a day or two... I am watching it closely more a long time.. With his other helpers, he think that he is achieving incredible success.. But TRUTH can't be hidden for a long time..... KI KASO???? What ever you do, Nepal will be Republic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! your stupid logics esp personal harrassments won't help any more... I claim it! I claim it!! I claim it!!! GYANETANTRA MURDABAD!! PRAJATANTRA JINDABAD!! |
| Kurikuri | Posted
on 06-May-04 02:58 AM
Bap re Bap Aha sab ke kathe Bheyele, kauno kahat hamar desh me republic chaye, kauno kahe Raja chaye. Hamra ke kauno nahie chaye, santi auro pargati chaye, apan logo ke bandar ladai dekhechi to Epitomeji ke monkey example thik lagyal ba. |
| cool_keta | Posted
on 06-May-04 06:05 AM
sorry charo, didnt read later posts you made. Nepal ko beta, Cool_keta |
| anti_monarqi | Posted
on 06-May-04 06:55 AM
Very very interesting. I don’t about you all but I want the right to vote for head of state of my choice in nepal. And who do you think yourself tell us that we can’t ask for that right. Billons of people have that right. When we get that you would have right not to vote if u choose so. DOWN WITH MONARCHY AND MAO anti_monarchy@hotmail.com |
| Badmash | Posted
on 06-May-04 07:59 AM
Nepe, I would like to ask you one simple question. Why did you reveal Suva Chintak's identity in public? Did you have his prior permission to do this? Many people here in sajha know me personally, but I don't expect them to reveal my identity without my authorization, because I know they are responsible people and would never violate my trust. To me, it seems like what you did is a breach of confidentiality. Suva Chintak, you don't seemed to be bothered by the fact that your identity has been revealed. I'm sure many people in sajha knew you personally, and that perhaps included Nepe, but many others didn't know you, myself included. It is understandable that it may be necessary to reveal your views, political leanings, and background for the sake of the argument, but never the actual person. Do you feel your identity has been compromised? |
| Dr. Strangelove | Posted
on 06-May-04 08:09 AM
Nepe, applying epithets obfuscated as honorifics like Raja, Bausaab..etc, trying to belittle and mock SC is not something I'd expect from a erudite like yourself. I hope you'd take the moral high road and stick to the crux of your disagreement with SC's views and assertions to make your point. As for jim pasa here, your benevolent lackey, I know the seminary he attended, Al-Hakim Girza Madrasa. |
| Badmash | Posted
on 06-May-04 08:10 AM
Niksnpl, you said, " am now very very sure that this SC aka asubhachintak...... is propaganda minister/ambassador of Gyane." Niksnpl, if you don't have anything to say, why not just chill, read and learn from what the real intellects have to say instead of spoiling a healthy discussion with stupid remarks. It just shows what a downright fool you are. |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 06-May-04 08:37 AM
Badmash jyu, Thank you for you cordial concern on this matter. I appreciate that there are many folks here in Sajha who can realize when the limits of basic decency are being crossed and are willing to say so, of course in a very cordial manner. This is Sajha, where many of us join the discussions with our name and there are many of us who choose to join with a username. I think it is a question of trust and decency to respect the individual choices. So when Nepe sought to reveal my identity, I am of course offended. But since he has recently debased himself to such a depth in his fanatical mission to make personal attacks on me, I don't know what else we could expect of him. The background, the ideological indoctrination, the pathological mindset are hard to discard, unlike a political tunic. Despite his late "conversion" to "democracy" and respect of "diversity" and "personal freedom" he is not willing to tolerate a dissenting voice. His idea of democracy and diversity is where everybody has the right to agree with him. If anybody dares to disagree with him and suggest an alternative (not the final, absolute) explanation, he is going to be personally assulted and abused. Does it remind you of the great "socialist democracy" championed by Stalin? There, everybody had the right to their views, as long as they were the same as The Great Leader's. If the people's views differed from the Party's, off you went to the Gulags. The same kind of democracy is being espoused by some here: if you dare to differ, you will be personally attacked (no attempt will be made to engage with the issues in a logical and rational way). Just like arresting a person for their belief is not democratic, it is not right to make personal attacks and accusations just because they hold a different view - at least if you are a true democrat. But for democrats-of-convenience (Nepalis call them Chaite Kangressi), there are no limits, no bounds as to what they can do or say. They are above the rules of decency, logic, and evidence. So a short answer to your question is, of course I minded! But what can you do when you are dealing with the mindless? You just learn to take it in a stride. SC, |
| Dr. Strangelove | Posted
on 06-May-04 08:56 AM
a erudite=an erudite. |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 06-May-04 09:02 AM
Dear niksnpl, Let me clarify something for you: No, I am nobody's ambassador or minister. Now, just because you have a different point of view, how would you feel if someone went around like a mad dog barking "niksnpl is Girija's kattu; niksnpl is makune's tattoo" rather than engaging with you ideas? That would not be nice, no? So if you have a point to make about the republic or monaryc or anything, do so by no means. But there is absolutely no need to get personal. It does not help the debate. SC, for a civil society |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 06-May-04 09:07 AM
"Keep watching for Saubhagya raja and his loyal comrade IsoFreak occasionally emphasizing the importance of democracy ! " A nice trap there Mr Nepe! A nice try to bring me in to this discussion. However, having known your methods for quite a while now, let me just say this to you: Look Nepe, I have told you many times before and I am saying it again (hopefully this will be the last time I'll have to say this to you): I do not give a hoot about your political ideology. I don't even consider you as someone worthy of being mentioned in my posts. I try to avoid you as much as possible so that both of us can live in peace. However, you keep on bringing me in your posts for no valid reasons whatsoever. I am a monarchist and I see no reason why I should be ashamed of being a Monarchist. I have my rights to be a Monarchist and defend my ideology/belief here in Sajha the same way you can defend/promote your republican stand here. Sajha is not just for you and your republicans-anti-moanarchy friends. Its for everyone, and if you and your loyal comrade in arms can post volumes and volumes on republicanism, I and the people who share my views have the same rights. Unless and until Mr. San Pradhan tells us that Sajha has now evolved or devolved into just posting and promoting republicanism in Nepal, I WILL KEEP ON VOICING MY OPINION REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU AND YOUR COMRADES THINK. Having said this, I would also like to make another thing clear to you: Don't keep on bringing me in your every post. I have made it clear to you many times that i don't want to deal with you in Sajha. If you have problems of me being somebody's friend or being a monarchist, good luck. I have no problems whatsoever with you being whatever you are or who you are friends with. I don't worry about you not being a monarchist the way you worry about me not being a republican because to me, you are no one of any importance or significance whatsoever. I hope I made myself VERY VERY clear this time. I hope you will be more civil in your response, whether you post it here. If you have further questions, email me. |
| saroj | Posted
on 06-May-04 09:08 AM
No matter what kind of discussion is going on, I think it is pretty low to bring someone's personal information. Isn't this kind of behavior banned on sajha according to its Acceptable Use policy? |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 06-May-04 09:10 AM
hope you will be more civil in your response, whether you post it here= hope you will be more civil in your response, whether you post it here or send me via email. |
| nsshrestha | Posted
on 06-May-04 10:07 AM
Suva Chintak Sir, Since you are the epitome of Royalist propaganda machine here, You are addressed and will be addressed many times, many ways despite your likes or dislikes. You chose to perform Mujara in the center stage, you will not be the of subject to Wah-Wah all the times. You accept it easy way or hard way up to you. Peoples lives have been affected by the hatha Yoga of Monarchy, so they will vent their anger in many different ways. As an emblem you will sure get some dart. It is the subject people are emotionally involved so people may answer emotionally, your call for ration will not always be satiated. Should decency just be practiced by others? Who has been “brazenly spewing the venom” ? Check your previous postings, where you operated on peoples genealogy. Should you not practice your preaching too? On your call for intellectual discourse, what intellectual streets have you fathomed in Sajha? George Bush is not and can not be the International Community. A slip of the tongue should be the focus of all the intent of so many people in DC.? Is this the depth perception of your Intellect? >>"once a communist, always a communist"? read it well, it meant otherwise. If the “Bouddhik Bhatgiri” is still hurting, Accept my sincere apology. My ignorance, I was not aware with the gravity of that word. If you are real nice and behave, I will not use it again.:) Wishing you all the best. |
| niksnpl | Posted
on 06-May-04 10:24 AM
I amn't a student of politics or sociology in harvard.....i represent the voice of ordinary nepali......... i don't know how to disguise things..........what i see, i say it straight in your face.......... if i say you are propaganda minister....i mean that......... i think you are so hurt coz it affected you a lot......if you werent like that.....u could have just ignored that........... there is one saying............. chor ko khutta kat, bhanda kheri sabai bhanda pahile chor le khutta tanchha... it is the same thing happening here over sajha...... once again. GYANETANTRA MURDABAD PRAJATANTRA JINDABAD |
| nsshrestha | Posted
on 06-May-04 10:39 AM
Isolated Freak, A nice trap by Nepe. You saw it and you fell into it. Now, Who is stupid? Hehe. |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 06-May-04 10:47 AM
Yes, I had misread your posting on "once a communist, always communist." It was directed against me, not at the communist. I stand corrected. I was wondering why you two had a falling - the Mullah and his acolite Talib. I thought you two were supposed to work as a team...you jumping in the fray to take the heat off the Mullah when he was embarassing himself infront of everyone here. No, not at all. I even wonder if you really understand what Baudik is, much less bhatgiri. If you did, you would have seening a Baudik Tatgiri staring at you everytime you went to the mirror the past couple of weeks. Baudik means engaging critically with ideas, not trying to savge the person. So if you think you are such an intellectual Baudik, why don't you try to help your Mullah answer the few basic political questions I asked him on this thread instead of making sorry excuses all the while? Being a loyal Talib to the Blind Mullah does not mean that you try to defend him only throwing dirt, you should have the baudik naitikta to defend him intellectually. So go on, answer the few questions for him. Since you have been lecturing us on intellect, intellectual, and baudik, why don't you show us how such an intellectual should behave? Go on, answer! You said: "Should decency just be practiced by others? Who has been “brazenly spewing the venom” ? Check your previous postings, where you operated on peoples genealogy. Should you not practice your preaching too?" Yes, I know I have used words here that I would neve use otherwise. And I am ashamed and sorry for that. But having said that, I was provoked by the Talibanis to do so...there was so much personal attack that I lost my cool. But what gives me a little bit of satisfaction is that it was not I who started the mudslinging, I was made to respond. The right to self defense is like the nuclear deterrence isn't it? You have a policy of no first-use and you stick by it: but if the Mullas persistently go all out against you, a point will come when you are sometimes tempted to give them their own medicine. Yes, if we go back to these threads we will see who started this. And for God's sake, why can't the Mullahs and the Talibs of this world can not even be original even when being abusive? When do they stop lifting words from someone's sentence? nsshrestha, you are free to use that boudik bhatgiri word as many times as you like, no matter how I behave. Somewhere up you said moral character is inherited...I don't think you will be able to change. It does not hurt me at all, in fact it makes me laugh. A baudik tatgiri will clutch at the straw of baudik bhatgiri when he has no more reason or logic left, the only way he thinks he can save his face is by making a personal attack on the other first. But unfortunately, it is a self-defeating tactic...you can only do it so many times before the people start seeing for what you are ... a tatgiri Talib. Personal attack is no excuse for a healthy debate. So good day to you too and good riddance |
| JagaltayBhoot | Posted
on 06-May-04 10:48 AM
While browsing thru the above posts, I found something really interesting from Mr Nepe ji who otherwise posts some stimulating comments. Quote “If you are pointing to the corrupt bunch of current leaders, let me give you a clue- Republic Nepal is about the system where nobody will be above the law. Law will rule.” Unquote I wonder…………in post 2046-era, all the leaders who blatantly abused their power to amass wealth were not above the law. “Law will rule” is a nice and sweet phrase to be dreamt of but is it possible in Nepal by simply restoring “democracy” or whatever? Most of us were happy during 2046 but where did it lead us to? Are we suffering from amnesia to forget the corruption and nepotism of post- 2046 so easily? Well, people may have something to say about “32-yr nirankush shashan” but then violence and killings were something that belonged to Kampuchia and Kashmir, not Nepal. We have seen how general public have time and again been fooled by the political parties and there is no guarantee it wont be done again, especially in Nepal beset with illiteracy and poverty. Can any sane individual think that a proper and honest leadership can be elected in Nepal at this moment ? I opine that we should cooperate with King G and give him chance to prove himself before making hues and cries about republic and “democracy”. Let common sense prevail Cheers ( p.s. For those who think that only cheetris are pro-monarchy, No, I am not a cheetri, nor anyone related anywhere near royal family) |
| nsshrestha | Posted
on 06-May-04 07:04 PM
Suva Chintak Sir, Is Mullah and Taleban defaults when you rant? >>I even wonder if you really understand what Baudik is. This is what irritates me - Your self imposed supremacy. I have watched your naked dance for so long with out a word, and you just wouldn't stop. Ridiculing the naïve ones and bullying the others in the name of logic and ration. If rational validity would suffice for truth, you would have ran till death in Zeno's paradox. By the way, What makes you think that you are the final authority on wisdom? Rajanish used to say "Bishwa Bidhylayo ne bahut gadhao ko Ph. D. de di, par koi gyani nahi ban paye, koi buddha nahi ban paye". As a child I did not understand what he meant, and I wondered. I wondered why so much wrath against the wise ones? Now, slowly, I understand what did he mean. Is it not so wonderful how the world unveils to you as you grow old? >>I was provoked by the Talibanis to do so Precedence to wrong does not make you right. Some one stole from your house does not mean you go stealing in others house. >>why don't you show us how such an intellectual should behave? Go on, >>answer! Have I not say Suva Chintak Sir so nicely? If some one would call me sir, this poor heart would have been smitten by such charms. But you, bharuwa banduk jasto, thai thai padkeko chha pdkeko chha. >> you should have the baudik naitikta to defend him intellectually. So go on, answer >>the few questions for him. I do not have moral obligation to defend any one. Nepe is a lot older than me, so his experience, he can defend himself well. Can you not define two people other than terms of subjugation? Sir, yug dherai badlisakyo, we are not in times of Aristotle. >>Talibs of this world can not even be original even when being >>abusive? If you want patent on “brazenly spewing the venom”, I will do so, I will start using your trade make every time I use those words. Anyway you must have seen quote unquote. Please make it clear you want the patent on the words or INTENT itself? >> Somewhere up you said moral character is inherited... Do you even read beside opening your attack machine? >>people start seeing for what you are ... a tatgiri Talib. Let them see what I am, conversely, they will also see what you are not!! Hope your next posting will be your Ultramodern Social Monarchial Contract Theory:) Wishing you all the best. |
| RBaral | Posted
on 07-May-04 06:49 AM
I can't avoid adderssing one thing here- A few have sprang up with their unsurpassed wisdom complaining of Nepe's choice of word re: babu saheb and raja. Where were these accomplished folks when racial slurs such as khwasa, babucha, khadku kaji etc. etc. were abundantly spilling all over sajha? Just a single sentence of clarifiaction would suffice. |
| anti_monarqi | Posted
on 07-May-04 07:25 AM
Well who wants my real identity and no I can give anyone because I am scared to believe what I believe in. I am kind of tried of so called educated people who are trying to say monarchy system is better in directly. If you support monarchy or Mao or democracy just stand and count for it. So don’t hide behind computer and try to use but it or. Again I am saying “I WANT TO RIGHT TO VOTE FOR HEAD OF STATE MY CHOOSING” and that is basic and fundamental right. For those who support monarchy tell me what they did for Nepal in 250 years of peaceful and steady rule. I am not PhD or master so I dun juggle the words. I would be say “DOWN WITH CURRUPT MONARCHY AND KILLER MAO AS LONG AS I LIVE” or should I better say “DOWN WITH CURRUPT MONARCHY AND THEIR FRIENDs KILLER MAOS” I don’t about you all but I want the right to vote for head of state of my choice in nepal. And who do you think yourself tell us that we can’t ask for that right. Billons of people have that right. When we get that you would have right not to vote if u choose so. DOWN WITH MONARCHY AND MAO anti_monarchy@hotmail.com |
| Dr. Strangelove | Posted
on 07-May-04 08:26 AM
Baral, FYI, Nepe was the first one to start this epithet hurling, mudslinging melee. When push comes to shove, people may be compelled to defend themselves by any means necessary. Having said that, I don't condone it from anyone including SC. 3 sentences !!! |
| Badmash | Posted
on 07-May-04 10:51 AM
anti_monarcy, you need not mention you don't have masters or Phd, it is very obvious. From what you have exibited, I'll be surprised if you have a high school diploma. |
| niksnpl | Posted
on 07-May-04 10:56 AM
and mr BADMASh!!! I too doubt you have high school diploma..:D:D:D:D:D |
| SITARA | Posted
on 07-May-04 10:58 AM
The word, "anti-monarqi" says enough without needing proof of a highschool diploma, Badmaashji! He desires the power to vote for the head of his country... is that too much too ask? |
| Badmash | Posted
on 07-May-04 11:00 AM
Niksnpl, for your information, I do have a high shcool diploma..and I'm working towards my undergrad degree. |
| dyamn | Posted
on 07-May-04 11:00 AM
yup sitara, cuz for 14 years the people he voted ruined my county.. i don't want my country to be further ruined.. is that too much to ask? |
| SITARA | Posted
on 07-May-04 11:16 AM
Dyamnji... I was hoping that you would notice, I do have a tendency to ignore your postings these days! |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 07-May-04 11:48 AM
nnshrestha Sir, You literally caught me with my pants down, didn't you? Ok you win hands down and I lose big time. You happy now?! "This is what irritates me - I have watched your naked dance for so long with out a word, and you just wouldn't stop." So you seen me do my little jiggy? You were supposed to be asleep at the time; and you did not utter a word all these years? You are quite a little peepin' Tom there, ahem, ur..Sir! All right...that explains the phallus envy and all the rage and irritation directed at me. So all this thing about the baudik this, baudik that was just a pretext for you to vent your pent up fury against me. Well, I am truly sorry for all my indiscretion, all these years. I would like to ask for your forgiveness for causing all this agony and crisis all these long years. Do forgive me, it was not meant to hurt you or pain you in any way. I repent fully and unconditionally, and I promise never to do that dance number again. Will you now let go of me, please, I beg your pardon, Sir!! |
| dyamn | Posted
on 07-May-04 11:52 AM
.. ... ya sitara , you better.. it's good for you, cuz your limited brain and your excessive capacity is no good to argue with me - for real... |
| Badmash | Posted
on 07-May-04 12:15 PM
Dear Sitara, No, asking for rights to vote for head of state is not too much to ask. In fact, it is the fundemental rights everyone should have. But that is not the point I'm trying to make. Anti Monarchi is accusing the educated bunch for lobbying for the monarchy. But my response was about the the simple comment he made. "I am not PhD or master so I dun juggle the words." I am only acknowledging his own statement. Is that too much to ask? |
| SITARA | Posted
on 07-May-04 12:37 PM
Badmaash ji: Got your point; I suppose it was lost in the derogatory remark you made about his highschool diploma. Thanks for clarifying! Dyamn Ji: Yes, I do not have the capacity to explain every word, pun, satire, nuance of my posting to you; it does get tedious after some time. Let's leave it at that shall we? Of course, your wel wisher, always. :) |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 07-May-04 12:48 PM
Oh well! I just thought I had put out one fire in this thread and another one seems to have started out already! Is this the California wild fire or what? As the much reviled 'pundit' of this thread, I can't but help point out Dyamn jyu's self-contradictory statement that says: "limited brain and your excessive capacity." As a pundit, I fail to understand how someone can have a "limited brain" yet "excessive capacity" at the same time. So I would urge the esteemed author of the above mentioned statement to clarify the situation. SC: In jest, of course |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 07-May-04 12:57 PM
well, SC dai, sometimes its people with limited brain who have excessive capacity to come up with highly irrational things. those with a higher cranial capacity refrain from coming up with those because they think a lot, people with lower CC do not have to think, and can just say/write what they feel... in jest, of course! |
| isolated freak | Posted
on 07-May-04 01:00 PM
not have to think, and - do not think ( well, i am one of those low CC people) |
| Kale_Ko_Chartikala | Posted
on 07-May-04 01:58 PM
I dont know about "limited brain and excessive capacity" but I know a friend/classmate who had "unlimited brain but deficient capacity". He helped me understand concepts of 8th grade opt. Math. While I finishinging my college he had not even finished his SLC. This too in jest, ;) |
| niksnpl | Posted
on 07-May-04 02:10 PM
Don't search Einstein in sajha....u won't find one........and you'll just lose your time..... better do some useful business.. |
| nsshrestha | Posted
on 07-May-04 02:50 PM
Ahem Ahem :0)) |
| SITARA | Posted
on 07-May-04 02:54 PM
Suva ji and IF ji... The amusement is in all contradictions! Fortunately for me, the physical mass of my cranial lobes are contained within the cavity of the skull... no brain fluids, oozing out of fractures caused by thinking too hard about Sajhaites' vocabulary/humor use. Lord forbid that I bear the burden of balancing a dynamic skull on my slim neck and frail shoulders! Whew! I'm glad it is Friday... one of those days when you get a bee in your bonnet, if not a burr under your saddle! Have a great weekend sabailai! :) Niksnpl ji... You'd be surprised! Sajha is a potpourri of everything (when analysed) and nothing (when generalized)! |
| SITARA | Posted
on 07-May-04 02:57 PM
nsshrestha ji.... Galey mei khich khich?... Take an ALLEGRA, the only thing that works in DC and Bushdom! ;) |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 07-May-04 04:33 PM
Sitara jyu, The exquisite description of the lobe, slim neck, and frail shoulders leaves much for the fertile imagination. The subject in question must be an work of art, no? Hope the bee and the burr leave you in peace for the weekend! SC: truly in jest |
| anti_monarqi | Posted
on 07-May-04 05:41 PM
Thanks Sitara Ji for your kind word. Mr. Badmash I am sorry if I offended you. . But there are plenty of so called educated people overseas who enjoy western democracy but tell us that we (Nepali) dun need democracy. That is very sad. I want to have right to vote for head of state of my choice. I was hoping those people who enjoy the freedom democracy would understand our fight rather then telling giving lecture in 14 years of democracy. If we want to compare then let’s be fair. I am ready to compare with any system of the world, which enjoyed 250 years of steady and peaceful rule like Nepal. And let’s compare that country with Nepal. I think all of you who enjoy western democracy should support our fight for democracy without if and but. DOWN WITH MAO AND MONARCHY. anti_monarchy@hotmail.com |
| SITARA | Posted
on 07-May-04 06:21 PM
Suva ji... such fertile imaginations, you do posses! Try strecthing it to envelope the voluptous sacro-cranial lobes of Shakespeare's bust, neck, shoulders and all; indeed, a work of art! As for the bee and the burr, I'll know where to Fedex them, now that I know where your tandoori pit is! hehe! |
| SITARA | Posted
on 07-May-04 06:23 PM
Anti-Monarchy ji, You're welcome! I was hoping that we could all express our political differences without being called a nincompoop by anyone! |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 07-May-04 06:37 PM
Come on, how could you! Old Willie ? I guess I should have seen this one coming Sitara jyu. Oh well, as he himself would have said, "Love's labour Lost, again." Yes, the tandoori pit! What can I say, there is just no limit to the famed Nepali generosity. I at least get some free air time for my tandoori business, I know Indi masta is not going to be too upset even if it cost me my cover. Aside from the bee and the burr, do drop by for the best tandoor this side of Satluj. SC, from the pit |
| An Indun Poet | Posted
on 08-May-04 01:57 AM
When the masks are reveiled, we know why some people say what they say. |
| niksnpl | Posted
on 08-May-04 03:16 AM
SC is in great vulnerabillity.........his remarks are now like paradoxes.......... :D:D:D:D |
| Nepe | Posted
on 10-May-04 03:21 PM
Was too busy to sit down for Sajha for a while. The beauty of online discussion forum is that you can come back any time to catch the thread. So here I am to reply to some of posters' replies directed or interesting to me. ********* First, SC. On SC's aarop that I have "depended on false galli galouch" and "do not have logical and reasonable answer left" to his "questions", I had challanged him to show any false thing I have said and I had explained using bold red letters how his "question" was childish and silly and that I had already answered it by that sarcastic slogan I proposed earlier. SC could not specify anything false in my postings. I will leave it at that. SC, however, brought another very intellectual question that I indeed had missed to answer. His question was, Is Bush the international community ? Meri baassai, kasto kathin prashna sodheko yo maanchhe le ! To search the answer to this toughest question, ma kaha kaha maatrai gaina, ka-kaslaai maatra sodhina ? (I had to disappear from Sajha for a whole week !!) Jaslaai sodhchhu, sabai janaa akamakka pachhan ! Jhan original questioner ko byakgound bataaidiye pachhi ta tin ko oth mukhai sukera aaune ! Sabai naajawaf, sabai bewildered ! Then I found this kid from an elementary school who gave me the answer. Here is what he said, jasta ko tastai. Yes, of course. For Nepal, Bush is a part of the international community. " Damn smart SC ! So you had removed the phrase 'a part of' from the question and threw that to me hoping I might caught in that void trap not carefully checking that you were confusing 'a part' with the 'whole' and playing a trick on me !!!!! Thank God, there are smart elementary school kids to catch some university graduate off guard ! So SC ji, now, is there any other relevant (related to the original posting- the DC rally) and intellectual questions that I have missed to answer ? Let me know. And please don't bring the debate on the whole foreign policy of the US or the personality of Bush, although these are really interesting topics. Since the reason the demonstrators of the DC rally were there was not to express their views on the US foreign policies to the entire world, nor was that to support or oppose Bush, but was simply to garner more support from everybody including Bush for 'resoration' of 'democracy' that Gyanendra 'took away', let's keep the discussion focussed on the purpose of the rally. Also, please don't try to play word game with the slogans of the rally and the discussion on republicanism or my personal convictions. The organizers of the rally and the official slogans they provided were not pro-republican. They were pro-constitutional monarchy, to be specific. If you want to ask how I, a republican, turned out in a pro-constitutional monarchy rally, then ask it. I will give you my reasons. |
| Nepe | Posted
on 10-May-04 03:22 PM
Now a funny stuff. Before that, I would like to reply to Dr. Strange's innocent but valid question. Dr. Strange wrote: Nepe, applying epithets obfuscated as honorifics like Raja, Bausaab..etc, trying to belittle and mock SC... RBaral wrote: I can't avoid adderssing one thing here- A few have sprang up with their unsurpassed wisdom complaining of Nepe's choice of word re: babu saheb and raja. Where were these accomplished folks when racial slurs such as khwasa, babucha, khadku kaji etc. etc. were abundantly spilling all over sajha?.. Although RBaral ji made a correct observation, I was not really doing the same thing SC was doing. SC's 'Babucha' and 'Khwasa' was pure racist slurs that had no connection to the ideology of the person he was trying to offend. On the contrary, I used the words 'Babu Saheb' and 'raja' more as symbolic of the person's ideology than as a mocking gesture. May be a little bit of mockery too. However, that mockery was not of the person, but of his pretending to have become a royalist from his intellectual chintan manan and not from other interests. So Dr. strange ji, 'Babu Saheb' and 'raja' were used as ideological address rather than racial or personal address. Even if it was not, you must give me credit for not using derogatory words. Babu Saheb and raja are definitely not derogatory. (As a child of a down-trodden raiti and still remaining raiti, sometimes I wonder how does it feel like to be called 'Babu Saheb and Raja' ?) **************** Now to the funny stuff I was talking about. And I promise, it is really funny. Badmash wrote: Nepe, I would like to ask you one simple question. Why did you reveal Suva Chintak's identity in public ?.. ShuvaChintak wrote: Badmash jyu, Thank you for you cordial concern on this matter. ........ ...So when Nepe sought to reveal my identity, I am of course offended. But since he has recently debased himself to such a depth in his fanatical mission to make personal attacks on me, I don't know what else we could expect of him... Probably you are right. You don't know what is coming next, I mean right now. Before everything, I want to fulfil an obligation I gave to myself. I had told that if SC minds me writing his real name here, I will apologize to him. So here is my apology to you SC, for writing your name. I apologize. Now there is a little caveat here. This apology is for writing your name, but not for 'revealing' your identity. Because I did not reveal your identity. Yes, folks (Badmas and whoever does not know this). I did not reveal SC's identity. Yes, you heard me right. I did not reveal SC's identity. And he knows it. I just picked up his name from one old thread of Sajha. Now, you might wanna know as I do, why the hell is then SC is ho ma ho milaa-ing with some unaware poster who thought I am revealing his identity in Sajha for the first time ? And, on top of that, faking being offended ? Your guess is as good as mine !!!!!!!!!!! **************** Next, some good and happy stuff. From, if not about, SC. SC, in his wonderfully worded rebuke to me, without quite realizing what he is doing to himself and his center of faith, called me and others Mullah and Talibe so many times. This, of course was to sound as if he is against Mullahism and Talibanism and thereby sounding like a reasonable man. SC, are you really against Mullahism and Talibanism ? Since when ? All your life in Sajha, as much as I know, you have been promoting Mullahism of Gyanendra Shah in Nepal. All your life in Sajha, you have been glorifying 30 years of Talibanism of Mahendra Shah and Birendra Shah that we had. When did you decide to go against them ? |
| vivashme | Posted
on 10-May-04 04:54 PM
Three/four days passed after resignation of PM, King still has not been able to form new government in Nepal. I guess people are starting to call him "inept".. Students in KTM seem to have taken the side of democratic republic as following TKP news indicates: Student ‘referendum’ favors republic http://www.kantipuronline.com/kolnews.php?&nid=11526 More voters for republic http://www.kantipuronline.com/kolnews.php?&nid=11009 As Prachanda is calling for partnership with these people ( http://www.kantipuronline.com/kolnews.php?&nid=11519 ), I see more bloodshed on the horizon...unless King gives in..(i.e. agrees to give up his control over RNA among other common things demanded by parties and Maoists) |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 10-May-04 05:49 PM
Nepe Raja Dandabat! Good to see you back again, Babu Saheb. I was wondering where you had vanished since our seventh round here last week. I was kind of worried, you know. I am glad you were busy doing some heavy background research and consultation on the question I had asked. I tell you, there is nobody more insightful than an elementary school kid to turn to in a tight spot. They wil give you the most insight into the thorniest of issues. Yes, I did have a couple of other questions to ask of your Raja Saheb. But since you just seem to be picking the brains of an elementary school kid to dazzle the Sajha audience, I think I will hold on to them. The poor kid has enough workload at the end of this semester, I don't want him to have to do your Sajha homework as well. You see, I don't want you to get you into some child abuse situation ;--) Again, you got it all wrong when you say that I have turned against Gyanendra. So better run out and catch that elementary school kid again before he goes to bed! You see, my views about the role of monarchy within the Nepali nation-state have not changed --much less "turn against" -- during the past decade or more. You see, I am not in the business of being a Kommunist in Kathmandu and turning Demokrat in DC. There is such a thing called consistency and integrity...I know it is a little bit complex concept to understand given your background. But all you got to do is wake up that Wonder Kid of yours and you will have something to proclaim from the ramparts of Sajhapur. And finally Raja, you win and I declare that I lost this debate. Had I know that there was this innocent and sweet elementary school kid/girl on the other end, I would have surrendered a long time ago. Nepe Raja is winner SC is a loser |
| An Indun Poet | Posted
on 10-May-04 10:07 PM
Raja ra Kaji ko sadhai jhagada. Tara SC ko naam khule pachi, some of the previous aarops seem to be true. Indun |
| M.P. | Posted
on 10-May-04 10:37 PM
An Indun Poet, The things get really confusing when a Shah so adamently supports a Shah, don't they? :) But much cannot be said about the previous aarops against Suva Chintak just because his last name is Shah! There could be people who follow their logic more than there family connections, if any. Whether to give that benefit of doubt--not that he cares about it--is again a subjective thing. One thing about Nepe though. I am surprised he joined the rally that in a way *begs* the king to give back the power to the people. From the experience of the last two years, the king clearly does not understand the language loaded with "your majesty" crap. Now with the time for the people to *order* the king -- not request! And somebody like Nepe, who has been so forcefully advocating a republic, should not be wasting time in these tori-laure jaatras. But, I have all my points written and will ask them to Nepe if he has some time when I go to DC this summer (hopefully). ~The other poet :) |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 11-May-04 07:28 AM
Dear Indun Poet jyu, Namaskar! I think it would help us all a lot if you were to post anything other than the daily quota of Indian poop here in Sajha. It is not that we don't enjoy your uplifting poetry, but it does get pretty tiring after a while if you come back with the same verse every time. Please don't take this as a negative criticism, but as a constructive appreciation. I would really like to see you one day become the resident poet not only of Sajha but the whole country. Good day kabi jyu, happy writing! SC |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 11-May-04 07:55 AM
M.P. jyu, You make an interesting observation about the connection between caste/family name and political position. Although I don't feel at this point that there is any direct link between a particular caste and party affiliation, there does seem to be some kind of loose tendency for certain caste groups to align with certain parties. A reputed Nepali sociologist once observed during a casual conversation that Nepali Congress as the party of Purbiya bahuns; UML as the party of the Jaisie bahuns and RPP as the party of Kumain bahuns and Chhetris. The Newars and the other janajatis were equally distributed in all these parties, according to this gentleman. Does that make any sense? But I definitely think this is an issue that deserves some serious analysis. " But, I have all my points written and will ask them to Nepe if he has some time when I go to DC this summer (hopefully)." I appreciate your willingness to withhold your curiosity until the summer when the kid has more free time. I am sure you also don't want the elementary kid to be totally swamped by adult questions from Sajha while he is busy trying to finish his school work in May ;--) SC: for more poetry and less prose |
| nsshrestha | Posted
on 11-May-04 10:09 AM
When, How and why the Shaha's (not talking about the royals) spread to the west but not east? Anyone to shed some light? |
| shirish | Posted
on 11-May-04 10:26 AM
hey poets: be aware!! check this out. Poets die younger than writers, study finds Thursday, April 22, 2004 Posted: 11:50 AM EDT (1550 GMT) http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/04/22/poet.deaths.reut/ WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Poets die young -- younger than novelists, playwrights and other writers, a U.S. researcher said Wednesday. It could be because poets are tortured and prone to self-destruction, or it could be that poets become famous young, so their early deaths are noticed, said James Kaufman of the Learning Research Institute at California State University at San Bernardino. For the report, published in the Journal of Death Studies, Kaufman studied 1,987 dead writers from various centuries from the United States, China, Turkey and Eastern Europe. He classified the writers as fiction writers, poets, playwrights, and nonfiction writers. He did not study the causes of death. "Among American, Chinese and Turkish writers, poets died significantly younger than nonfiction writers," Kaufman wrote in the report. "Among the entire sample, poets died younger than both fiction writers and nonfiction writers." Because Kaufman studied some writers who lived hundreds of years ago, it is impossible to compare their average age of death to that of the general population. AVERAGE LITERARY LIFE SPANS The study found this Haiku holds the threat of death Write prose live longer Poets 62 Playwrights 63 Novelists 66 Nonfictionwriters 68 Source: Journal of Death Studies "On average, poets lived 62 years, playwrights 63 years, novelists 66 years and nonfiction writers lived 68 years," Kaufman said in an interview conducted by e-mail. Kaufman has also studied poets and mental illness. "What I found was pretty consistent with the death finding actually, female poets were much more likely to suffer from mental illness (e.g., be hospitalized, commit suicide, attempt suicide) than any other kind of writer and more likely than other eminent women," he said. "I've dubbed this the 'Sylvia Plath Effect."' Sylvia Plath was a poet and novelist who killed herself in 1963 at the age of 30. There could also be a more benign explanation for poets' early demise, Kaufman said. "Poets produce twice as much of their lifetime output in their twenties as novelists do," he said. So when a budding novelist dies young, few people may notice. "A great novelist or nonfiction writer who dies at 28 may not have yet produced her or his magnum opus." Kaufman said poets should not worry, but should perhaps look after their health. "The fact that a Sylvia Plath ... may die young does not necessarily mean an Introduction to Poetry class should carry a warning that poems may be hazardous to one's health," he said. |
| netaa_ji | Posted
on 11-May-04 10:50 AM
The funniest thing I find about the whole thing of THE PROTEST RALLY in DC is that the monrach which does not seem to be moved by the strategic and military losses on the ground by his army in the hands of rebels, will he be moved by the street protests of political parties which do not have sympathy of people outside Kathmandu ? When he has not been terrified by the destructive TANDAB NRITYA of the rebels, will he be bent down by the JHAREE JHUREE political parties ? The protest rally in DC seems to be no more than a fuss. |
| Nepe | Posted
on 12-May-04 10:48 AM
SC sarkar, You see, I am not in the business of being a Kommunist in Kathmandu and turning Demokrat in DC. There is such a thing called consistency and integrity...I know it is a little bit complex concept to understand given your background. Yes, It is indeed too complex to understand. So you are saying I, who switched to Democracy when your highness probably was still in diaper is not to get GoDaBa of consistency and integrity while your highness who is still attached to umbilical cord of royal ideology deserves OmRamPatta for consistency and intergrity ! Hmmm.. ************************ M.P., Needless to assert that I share your perspective. In my earlier postings way up there, I have explained things. Yes, the organizers of the rally, NDYC guys, did not catch up with how far the youth movement for democracy in Nepal has reached already. Their petition letter to the king reflects the same. As I said these were pro-constitutional monarchy guys. In a hurried and brief conversation with Ananda Bista, the president of NDYC, I asked him about his say on the movement for republic Nepal back home. He wasn't quite explicit and said something like his attention is more into restoring the constitution first. I personally do not have problem with the idealism of so called constitutional monarchy. If a constitutional monarchy can function as a functional republicanism, I don't mind to throw few millions rupees to the royal palace. That was what I thought during the euphoria of the partial victory of democracy in 2046. However, post 2046 history of more than a decade showed us that as long as there is monarch- no matter what you write in the constitution- he will have the supreme power and our prime-ministers will just be newer version of Surya Bahadurs and Marich Man Shresthas. In presence of the king, there is not much difference between Surya Bahadur and Girija Prasad or Madhav Nepal and anybody after them. I bet there are things Surya Bahadur, with traditional trust of the palace, can do better and more efficiently than Girija or Madhav can. People are slowly realizing this. It is either republic or full monarchy, else recycle of the same gaijatra we have been seeing. At this historical phase of transition, we need more discussion among those not yet disillusioned with the constitutional monarchy or are not open to admit it yet. The success of the movement for republic Nepal, after all, depends on how we succeed to liberate CMists from their illusion. Maoists can not be our partners- until they renounce their ultimate goal of establishing a totalitarian regime. So the aspirants of republic Nepal need, at this point, to fight their war at three fronts- ideological war with the Maoists, physical war (guleli, bricks, tires and felicitations to Shree 5 dogs and donkeys suffice for now) with the royalists and a diplomatic war with the CMists. I went to DC as a warrior, I think. Although there was a shamefully small group of people, it was worth to talk to some of them and hear their solidarity with the movement for the republic Nepal. |
| suva chintak | Posted
on 12-May-04 11:30 AM
Nepe Raja, Jai Hos! I am so glad this elementary kid is having such a calming effect on you. Once you hired him to be your political and moral consultant, I am amazed how rational, logical, and most importantly civil you have become (the derogatory dogs and donkeys still persists, but we must all focus on the positive improvement in the last couple of days ago). Well, you need not be too depressed about not getting any awards for consistency and integrity. I am sure the new republic will reward you amply for your ideological mobility and political flexibility in adapting to all kinds of situations. So do accept my good wishes in advance. Lastly, if you had not noticed (you should ask your kid consultant about this too), I have not asked you nor do I like to be addressed as sarkar, raja, maharaja, babu saheb or any of the other labels you have thrown at me. Just call plain SC. But that does not mean that I will not fulfil your expressed desire to be addressed as Raja. So I will continue to address you in the most royal honorifics I can come up with. Given your personal ambition for royal titles, I am sure the people will put you up as the new royal dynasty once the present House of Gorkha is chased by the alliance between the Five parties and the Maoist rebels. I look forward to the day when folks like me will be able to say "The old King is gone, long live King Nepe." In passing this is what caught my attention most: "I went to DC as a warrior, I think." Don't you think this is kind of a pompous and vain statement? More importantly, what kind of a "warrior" goes down on knees, not to fight, but to beg from a foreign master? Am I missing something? I hope your kid consultant will have some good answer to this little question. Nepe sarkar, risani maf hos. Nepe maharaj ki jai! Gyanendra chor desh chod!! (just trying to be on the right side of history you know, got have the flexibility to adapt) |
| dyamn | Posted
on 12-May-04 11:41 AM
NNShrestha: then, How and why the Shaha's (not talking about the royals) spread to the west but not east? Anyone to shed some light? >> I can guess they prolly moved to the western part because western part has warmer weather, plain land, and fertile land. |
| dyamn | Posted
on 12-May-04 11:42 AM
.. same reason why most pahadiyas moved to madesh... |
| An Indun Poet | Posted
on 12-May-04 10:39 PM
The Shah's went to the west because they could RAPE and LOOT the people of the west fairly easily. They were more poor and illiterate than the people in the east. |
| Garibjanata | Posted
on 12-May-04 11:16 PM
SC, All the byest for yr dissertation defense. |