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| EdHunter |
Posted
on 02-May-04 11:44 AM
Hi to all the UK sajhaites.. juz was wondering, what’s the prospects of us people, now that the EU has expanded and there won’t be any working restrictions to former non- EUs.. u know people from these countries, Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Cyprus and Malta will be able to work in the UK w/o any work permits here. is this a sort of concern to people like us?; i.e. those presently studying in the UK and hoping to find work in the future here… and, hopefully settle down… does the EU expansion puts our life and future under jeopardy? or do u guys think that there won’t be a problem with that and life would continue as normal??
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| porcelina |
Posted
on 02-May-04 01:51 PM
eww... keep the east european gypsies away from the UK!!! seriously... i'm not racist, but if you lived in an east european country, you'd get REALLY irritated with them too!! bastards have stolen either phones or passports of almost every single one of my friends here!!!
but on a lighter note, i was out on the eve of the 30th of April, and my my, the Czech people were having having a BIG party in the middle of old town square...
its good for all these new countries, but dont think it will make any difference to lidle ol me with a nepali passport!!
Thanks for bringing it to attention in Sajha Edhunter!
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| Dominatrix |
Posted
on 03-May-04 02:33 AM
Eddie, ur right man, im not much with it in these topics but this one sure caught me..
I mean why did they decide no restrictions on those east-euro countries (thieves porcey..dem thieves! ;oD..) It sure is a big concern for those students like urself,
working hard, hoping to get jobs and settle..n those (thieves) who have no bloody work-permits will be (thieving) them right from under your noses. What was behind
that EU expansion, did they figure the return would be more beneficial than those
east-europeans taking up jobs that others here, work hard for and them creating more problems for the police force...(hee hee, im js kiddin). Basically, it doesnt sound really
fair does it Eddie.
Well i dont know much about much on this, so pardonez moi if i didnt make sense!
Cheerz!
Domi
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| dyamn |
Posted
on 03-May-04 02:47 AM
.. a smart person should move to those EU countries and marry a gypsy asap and get a citizenship.. and then go work in UK.... and should do it before they're all taken by Indians and pakis.. hahahahha.. yup...
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| stillontheshelf |
Posted
on 03-May-04 08:07 AM
damn, im disguted by the bigoted tripe i've just read...pocelina, how the fcuk you gonna say u aint racist when u have painted all Eastern Europeans with the same broad brush 'Gypsies'. man how far right is that...you sure you aint in the same lot as the migration watch authors.
it's funny that nepalese peeps have this mentality when they are in a country technically they don't belong to, have no cultural ties, any heritage, yet now feel they are in the position to pass judgment on who should/not enter the UK. What if your attitudes had been prominent with indigenous British people or even the immigration officers at the IND when they gave you a student visa, or now with the majority of neps, granting asylum (and regardless of what you say, you know in your heart the majority of them are bogus with kids studying but only with the intention of being illegal economic migrants - same with all these asylum seekers).
I just don't think neps or anybody else not indigenous to the UK have any standing in wanting to restrict, reduce immigration into the UK.
I work in the frontline of this debate and meet asylum seekers, migrants on a day to day basis. Yeah I know many are fake, but many are genuine, and if they seek a way out of their economic degradation - who the fcuk am I or you to say 'no'.
And this whole argument of taking our jobs, that makes me sick...what jobs? What do current nepalese peeps work as...restaurant, catering/hospitality, security, live-in jobs...come on, any tom dick and harry can do them jobs. If Europeans do take them surely its a blessing in disguise cos it will make some of these lazy nepalese kids aspire for better jobs, with better pay and job security. Right now these jobs are their bread and butter, and it makes them lazy and gives no ambition. Every new generation should progress, I think its time the Nepalese moved onto better things and let the Europeans have our current jobs...its evolution! Nepalese lives are only in jeopardy if waiting tables is all you want to do for the rest of your lives.
On an opposite note, EdHunter, you may be interested in reading an article on Civitas.org.uk stating econmic migrants don't benefit the UK as Blair etc harp on about, infact it reckons its the opposite...very interesting read.
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| porcelina |
Posted
on 03-May-04 11:16 AM
hey, stillontheshelf, i suggest you first figure out what i am trying to say, and then start yelling...
i did NOT ANYWHERE on my post specify that ALL east europeans are gypsy. i said 'eastern european gypsies' ... meaning GYPSIES OF EASTERN EUROPE.
you must be really dumb to not know that the gypsies are infact a major problem in this country. they refuse education, they STEAL, and hey, i'm not talking about stealing a pen or whatever, you cna literally see these people out on the prowl in HUGE gruops, harrasing people and commiting blatant day light robbery. in trams, metro's public places, you cna see them literally putting their hands in peoples bags, and theres NOTHING anyone can do about it.
do you live in england?? picture this scenario:
you are travelling innocently in you british railways or whatever.. you have your passport, you phone, your contact addresses, basically your WHOLE life (almost) in that bag, and it gets stolen. just POOF.. disappeared...
i would LOVE to see the reaction on your face when that happens.
other than that,
goodday!
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| Manas1u |
Posted
on 03-May-04 11:41 AM
I don't know much about this issue, but I think perhaps now that they can work legally, they won't be theiving and robbing so much? Every human being has a right to a better future and we should look at it in a positive way..
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| GIJane |
Posted
on 03-May-04 11:51 AM
porcelina Pokchu (if I may), You must be new to the country. I made that assumption coz I see a parallel between you and nepalese who come to the States and start saying (blaming) every ill of the country to black folks: they are muggers, lazy, "habsi" (?!!), killers... Just don't go on blaming gypsies with that broad brush or else people will think you are a racist through and through, and worse you just don't have grey matter inbetween those two pretty(must be) ears of yours.
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| porcelina |
Posted
on 03-May-04 11:56 AM
^^^' I just don't think neps (NEPS??, thats a bit derogatory) or anybody else not indigenous to the UK have any standing in wanting to restrict, reduce immigration into the UK.
I work in the frontline of this debate and meet asylum seekers, migrants on a day to day basis. Yeah I know many are fake, but many are genuine, and if they seek a way out of their economic degradation - who the fcuk am I or you to say 'no'. '
in your own language, stillontheshelf, who the fcuk said they(THE CZECHS) couldn't join the EU?? who i was talking about are a minority in the Czech republic, slovakia and elsewhere, and faring much worse than most of the other gypsies, or Roma's, as they prefer to be called, around the world. YES, EVERYONE DESERVES A BETTER FUTURE, i never denied that...
what i said about the gypsies isn't quoted from form data collecting statistics paper... it is from personal experience, from what i have seen over and over and over again, almost everyday that i am in town.
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| porcelina |
Posted
on 03-May-04 12:02 PM
GI Jane, i am not new to this country, i have lived here for over 3 years now, i speak the language perfectly, and have MANY czech friends....
you see, blaming 'habsi's' (as you prefer to call them) iis one thing, and blaming gypsies is another. if you read around a bit, you will see that the gypsies have a very long history of being thieves, and they seem to have refrained from moving ahead economically in this country. they stick to themselves, and their children are taught the art of 'stealing' from a very very young age. ..
its obvious you guys have never come anywhere near eastern europe...
well, i've had enough of trying to 'defend' myself... tata to you all!
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| EdHunter |
Posted
on 03-May-04 01:38 PM
Who cares about those Eastern Europeans man… let them be… they steal? maybe then the UK govt will be more stringent in the traffic of the people from the new EU countries… I mean, our people aren’t that good as well… overstaying... being illegal immigrants… swimming over to another island??? it ain’t as if they are the only ones doing wrong…
Anywayz, what I was trying to point out was that with the enlargement of the EU, there’d be more competition for people like us.. ie. studying and trying to get work here in the future.. maybe the work permit sector will be more strict with the handing out of work permits. and that could spell doom for us presently studying here.. head back to Nepal??? and do what? I spent an entire fortune on the studies… the least I wanna do is earn back what I invested in the UK.
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| GIJane |
Posted
on 03-May-04 03:03 PM
Three years??? Oh my Gawd!! That's like you know like life time!! So, you speak the language too??? Oh my Gawd!!!
Seriously, three years and you still have not learned anything, have you?
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| porcelina |
Posted
on 03-May-04 03:08 PM
stuff it, GI Jane.. atleast i know more about this country than you do. i contribute to its economy, i bring business for them. my contribution might be small, but still worth enough for me to atleast have the right to voice an opinion.
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| dyamn |
Posted
on 03-May-04 04:18 PM
And this whole argument of taking our jobs, that makes me sick...what jobs? What do current nepalese peeps work as...restaurant, catering/hospitality, security, live-in jobs...come on, any tom dick and harry can do them jobs.
>>> hmmm i thought you're the incarnation of Martin luther King. how can you steriotype all Nepali people of doing low class jobs?? and you are not even using words like 'most' , 'some' , 'majority' or something .. you're widely generalizing the entire Nepali population to be menial work force.. shame on you.. you big hypocryct.you have energy and generiosity to protect the interest of eastern europeans but you have no empathy to understand Nepali's and other's concern who don't belong to the EU huh?>......
If Europeans do take them surely its a blessing in disguise cos it will make some of these lazy nepalese kids aspire for better jobs, with better pay and job security. Right now these jobs are their bread and butter, and it makes them lazy and gives no ambition.
>>?> BEFORE YOU BASH ON MY PEOPLE,DID YOU EVEN TAKE TIME ON USING YOUR OWN INFORMATION ABOUT NEPALI PEOPLE BEING ILLEGAL AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHY MIGHT NOT GET BETTER JOBS? YA dumbhead... moran.. they can't get better jobs cuz they don't have permits.. White people steriotype them, they don't let any darkey brother to work , but they will bring new white people from other countries...
Even in America, if it's a russian or a white skin he has no problem getting accepted by the white society , but even if a second generation darkey is on the publicity, his ethnicity becomes the major obstracle for him.. People make fun of Indians , pakis and dark skinned people, like Nepali too.. and you asss is saying that Nepali people are lazy... you think working in a restaurant is easy? you think doing construction job is easy? you think standing outside of someone's gate during the rain and boiling temperature is easy???
Every new generation should progress, I think its time the Nepalese moved onto better things and let the Europeans have our current jobs...its evolution! Nepalese lives are only in jeopardy if waiting tables is all you want to do for the rest of your lives.
>>> Evolution, who needs evolution? Nepali or Europeans huh>?>> what the heck are you talking about?/ when those europeans come to the job market, that will not automatically shift Nepali people to better jobs , you oxymoran.. it will even take thier menal jobs away from them.. and for UK govt there will be no need to issue work permits for foreigners.. why should they, when there are eastern european floating in the job market.. Nepali people, and others who are seeking prospect in the country but who don't belong to the EU will suffer drastically....
and the saga continues.... : white people rule over darkeys.....
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| stillontheshelf |
Posted
on 05-May-04 12:11 PM
Fair point not all neps (no I dont find it derogaroty in the slightest) are doing menial jobs in the UK, but the recent influx of so called 'students' and asylum seekers are, and I think people are dumb if they try to deny this. And what empathy should I have for the nep migrants, as far as my thread goes I havne't said anything derogatory, I'm just stating facts. The only thing I accept is not having said 'most' neps and thus my thread is misleading for it generalises.
Well if they don't have work permits why they working in the first place fool? That means they are working illegally and that is as reprehensive as the gypsies that have been mentioned above. Don't give me the story about institutional racism, it exists sure, but I fail to believe that that is why there are so many neps working in menial jobs.
You're the one making the oxymoron...you worried that EE will take nep jobs but many are working illegally in the first place, as you correctly mention. They are therefore illegal economic migrants. What we shold encourage neps to do instead is enter or remain the UK with skills to offer for example under the higly skilled migrant programme. students studying here now should apply under this scheme rather than get stuck in the rut of working in low paid jobs for the rest of their adult life, which i have seen many do.
I'm all for nepalese economic migrants but they got to do it the correct and legal way. I don't wanna see my brothers and sisters working unskilled jobs, illegally, working tooth and nai for pittance.
I'm not nepalese bashing you idiot, far from it. But the current manner in which most economic nep migrants are entering the UK will be to their disadvantage, working as a student is only 20 hours, whilst many asylum seekers dont even have the right to work. I think these groups are most likely to be disadvantaged by the expansion.
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| Subash_Ghai |
Posted
on 05-May-04 12:38 PM
It is good sign for Bollywood market. Our Indian brothers will move to fast east of europe. They will help to penetrate our movie business in this new area.
Good News Indeed!!!
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