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| Rosie | Posted
on 04-May-04 10:23 PM
Since the first day that I stumbled upon this site, I have noticed how the men in Sajha act like animals when it comes to girls. Everytime, they come upon a picture of a girl - be it in the members' profile section or from one of the party pictures - and she gets noticed for her attractiveness or unattractiveness, a thread is born to analyze every inch of her on the picture. Then begin comments of people who divinify her beauty and those who totally rip her apart, by doing a critical analysis on her boobs, her nose, her eyes...you name it. As it continues, the picture is manipulated using photoshop tricks and as always, when it gets absolutely out of hand as to how lewd and disgusting guys can behave, our webmaster has to delete the thread. I would have understood this kind of uncivilized (to say the least) behavior if sajha was an all boys' school, where the students are kept far apart from females. But in light of the fact that most of the sajha visitors live in the US or Canada or Australia or Europe, where the society is so open minded and liberal, this kind of behavior is shocking. I wonder if the thought that there might be an actual person out there reading their comments about her picture, even crosses their mind. Internet is really not as faceless and impersonal as it seems, at least not for the people who get hurt by it. Is this how all guys are or just Nepali guys or just Nepali guys in Sajha? Please enlighten me. |
| Epitome | Posted
on 04-May-04 10:36 PM
Everywhere, everyone, everytime no exception, it is just a matter of opportunity. |
| dyamn | Posted
on 04-May-04 10:58 PM
hmmm looks like rosie is frustrate cuz she's got no opportunity; hence virginity.... heheheh kiddin' kiddin' ;) |
| Biswo | Posted
on 04-May-04 11:01 PM
Hmm. Now attacking Rosie herself? And that too is supposed to be 'kidding'? |
| Anisha | Posted
on 04-May-04 11:13 PM
Rosie I totally agree with you. Sajha is a good for FANN attractiong for attractive ladies and if they are not very good looking then she gets DISSED big time. Well I could go on and on about this but what's the point. CHIll Out............... |
| Lakshmi | Posted
on 04-May-04 11:15 PM
Rosie..chill out..they are men..let them express themselves.. it is not doing anyone any harm..except apparently you...now shut up |
| dyamn | Posted
on 04-May-04 11:22 PM
heheheh.. you got it...... rosie baby, it's not the only sajha men - it's the men in general.. it's not even men, it's the testrotone hormone..... actually, it's not even testrotone hormone it's the lack of brain that controls that testrotrone hormone.. it's not even that part of the brain which controls the testrotrone hermone, it's the retardness that comes to the play cuz of the lack of empathy ... hmmmmm some thinking i've got going here.. haha.. and some frustrations cuz of the lack of opportunity by the brothers who have to visit www.dirtylatinmaids.com and worldsex.com with rapid bathroom breaks in every 2o mins at thier work.. yup.. theier lack of opportunity and you're irretated cuz of your virginity ;?? kiddin' kiddin'.. what can i do, i can't stop being funny.. ok ok.. sorry... |
| dyamn | Posted
on 04-May-04 11:24 PM
good one lakshmi.... ;) tell your parents to keep thier profile low from homeland security........ .......... cuz yo da bomb.... |
| ProudNepali | Posted
on 05-May-04 12:14 AM
hmmmmmmmmmm Rosie, maybe you were accusing some men more than others. There definitely are some individuals who pick on gals yet there are some who had some respects for the gals. As of the arguments in the postings.. it's no big deal. Men argues with men as well as women (meaning males and females), and the women do the same thing. People have differences in views irregardless of their sex/religion/age.... etc. Please, type in the names of the ones you find abusive, that way your claims can be justified better. The way your thought is being presented gives a birth to the abusive men stereotypes, which is not all true. Now Lakshmi might say.... Proud had been mean towards me.... yeah... nahhh.. we are just making statements for our teams. SOme people call it trashtalking.. but only few realizes there are truths hidden behind those nusiances also. i acknowledge your sense of humor though. to be honest I had said mean things to only one girl here in SAjha.. not on threads but on Sajha.... the reasons are very justified and the people who knows that acknowledge it. by the way I am of the kind who still believes in .......... NAAriko Saammaan. When it comes down to Nepali females.. it's even more secure. Jai Nepal |
| Poonte | Posted
on 05-May-04 01:18 AM
Refrain from sweeping generalizations, s'il vous plait! |
| redstone | Posted
on 05-May-04 04:59 AM
tell me one thing rosie! What do men do when they see a HOT girl passing by? They observer her from TOP to BOTTOM. WHAT i do is, say "she's cute", not too loud, but make sure she hears me. Sometimes they just walk like they know they're fu*kin hot, sometimes they turn and smile. and about us in sajha. we look at a girl in the same way, even though we're not looking at pictures of all, we still try to analyze, and find mor about the girl. and what i've analyzed about you is, you're one of those HOT girls that do'nt turn back and keep walking like "i know im hot, WTF are you?" |
| bhanja | Posted
on 05-May-04 07:30 AM
Hi Rosie, U mention that people use photoshop to manipulate the picture of a girl.I happen to be one of the member of sajha.com who used photoshop to enhance the picture of another member by the name of Shefali.As far as my memory serves me, I did not use photoshop manipulation to ridicule Shefali. Rosie, I do understand and applaud you for bringing up this issue. |
| ugly duckling | Posted
on 05-May-04 07:33 AM
Not all the male sajhaites fit in your description, Rosie. However, there are several who exactly behave like you said. There is ukhan in nepali which goes something like this: the empty vessels make more noise. Those who act like empty vessels in here need to find meanings, goals of their lives. |
| OU812 | Posted
on 05-May-04 08:01 AM
Amen to Poonte's wise words. Rosie have you read second paragraph of Sajha Disclaimer? From what I gathered, it says "Be polite and educated participant. If a participant chooses to be a prat, you can't do jackshit about it". Good mental health to you all. 2nd Para "BY THEIR VERY NATURE, DISCUSSION FORUMS MAY CARRY OFFENSIVE, HARMFUL, INACCURATE OR OTHERWISE INAPPROPRIATE MATERIAL, OR IN SOME CASES, POSTINGS THAT HAVE BEEN MISLABELED OR ARE OTHERWISE DECEPTIVE. WE EXPECT THAT YOU WILL USE CAUTION AND COMMON SENSE AND EXERCISE PROPER JUDGMENT WHEN POSTING TO OR VIEWING KURAKANI. " |
| OU812 | Posted
on 05-May-04 08:05 AM
P.S Methinks San is doing a fantastic job and he is MR Sajha. |
| Nattu | Posted
on 05-May-04 08:24 AM
Why don't you enlight us then ugly_duckling ? Start a new usergroup " enlighting ". Let's see how many hits you'll get compared our MODEL threads. Yes, I did post Lakshmi's pic yesterday and commented , SO WHAT ?? As long as it's ok with Laxmi and as long as we're not breaking any laws, we will continue to do so. Oh well, you didn't like our postings...TOUGH SHIT !! I don't like reading stupid poems either ( except NK's poems )but have you heard me complaining ? You should simply avoid reading our postings if you don't like our literature. It is simple as that. P.R : You're more than welcome to voice your opinion anytime though. We love you all :-) |
| MillionDollars | Posted
on 05-May-04 10:30 AM
Mori Rosie, Seems you are finding "Satya tito huncha" |
| VincentBodega | Posted
on 05-May-04 10:37 AM
Hey Miss Rosie, What is this suppose to mean? " I would have understood this kind of uncivilized (to say the least) behavior if sajha was an all boys' school, where the students are kept far apart from females." Please explain... you trying to make a sweeping generalization about the people who go to all boys school? |
| Rosie | Posted
on 05-May-04 02:46 PM
"Sweeping generalizations" ...lol That seems to be the expression of the day. No, I didn't mean to generalize anyone. However, I also stay away from naming names, because I don't want this thread to turn into another battle ground. I believe people who have engaged themselves in these kinds of activities know who they are and those who haven't also know who they are. I just wanted to bring this issue up in order to inform rather than to complain about it. After all, Sajha is not under my control. Everyone is pretty much free to do as they please. But I feel kinda sad that some of the Sajha ladies would condone this behavior with the age old "boys will be boys" slogan. What has women's liberation done for us if we continue to let men use their manhood as an excuse every time? But again, this is a free forum and your views are very much appreciated. And, like I said before, I am just an informant, not a complainer. Biswo - Thanks for your encouragement Anisha - I am totally with you on this. Thanks for your input. Redstone - Appreciate your kind words. However, I don't want to comment on my being "hot" or not, because I think that like many other Sajha ladies, I have much more to offer than just a pleasing facade and I dont enjoy being labeled as anything just on the basis of looks. Bhanja - I know you had good intentions ProudNepali - Very true what you said Ugly Duckling - You are right; I couldn't have put it better myself. |
| redstone | Posted
on 05-May-04 03:06 PM
rosie, don't take seriously about what i said on "analyzing" you and what type of girl you are. I wrote that when i read your post, and kinda got pissed off. BTW, I am nice :) VERY NICE. hehe. I didn't mean to make you feel bad or anything. we cool? |
| SITARA | Posted
on 05-May-04 03:12 PM
The title of the thread, is the culprit for incurring the displeasure of "genaralization", I suppose. However, Rosie's concern is not too far off from some trends that have taken place in the past: Circling body parts (on pictures), defacing and making desparaging remarks about unsuspecting participants of Nepali parties, has left a bad taste in those who find such acts irresponsible and inappropriate. Perhaps, those who have been offended could look beyond the "generalizations" and find some sense in her query. |
| redstone | Posted
on 05-May-04 03:29 PM
so far i've not seen no guys using PHOTOSHOP and modify a pic of a girl, that was found in some nepali programs. so don't talk about that. if i've missed some, lemme see, where is it?? |
| viswas | Posted
on 05-May-04 04:13 PM
Rosie jyu, I think trends like (such as you mention above) are not limited to just SAJHA or to be more precise, among Sajha men...neither is it think it is all too pervasive. Through progressive civilization, the dominant subjects of the any society have engaged in oppression and exploitation. As in the case of women: they have been treated subserviently to their male counterparts through time immemorial, hence male hegemony is not a new thing. What is new is the form of expression of this hegemony. In today's so called civilized societies, oppression of the female take place through beautification and commodification. In doing so the society is essentially creating a separate class, if you will; which in sociological context is known as the creation of OTHER. This creation of the "OTHER", is taking place in today's Societies (especially Western Societies, of which trends have trickled down to more conservative East) through practices , as you mention (making women subject of immoral scrutiny…and all). Such trends and practices of undermining women’s values and worth, contribute to making them mere OBJECTS or THINGS. Now how far, this sociological theory is valid, is for you to judge and measure on your own. Different people may have different opinions, OF COURSE. So, in any case, in regards to Sajha people try to practice their freedom of expression to the utmost. So Sajha subjects may explain their actions by saying de jure practice of Freedom of expression, speech or whatever whatever…hmm but this brings a thought to my mind. Unchecked freedom does result in practices that derail societies and contribute to societal ills…to the grave extent of commodification of women….Oh well…now I am going too far with my overt generalizations… Anyways….I second you that practices as such in Sajha is not a healthy sign. I hope we will all take this matter seriously and try to refrain … Regards, Viswas. |
| Sonika_NY | Posted
on 05-May-04 05:50 PM
Common ladies, broaden your mind, if some guys talk about figures, take it as compliment not comment. I agree with Lakshmi. By the way Lakshmi You are the hottest girl I have seen here in sajha so far. You go girl. |
| rohini_a | Posted
on 05-May-04 07:33 PM
Sonika, you fool, why don't you play harmonica with your friend monica. Get the hell out of this site, bulldyke, nobody likes you here. Get a better job, moron. Your mother so ugly that she passed her ugliness to you. STFU. |
| HairyPotter | Posted
on 05-May-04 10:02 PM
I go by Redstone, when he says that he never saw any picture here in Sajha which was altered(photoshop) to make it look vulgar or sexually explicit. As a matter of fact I beleive Sajha boys are much more gentlemen then the people you find out there in yahoo / msn chat ..and I hope Rosie will lighten up little bit and understand the humor in it. |
| Rosie | Posted
on 05-May-04 10:31 PM
Viswas: Loved your analysis on this. Indeed, reducing women to mere "pretty little things" is another propaganda that the "modern" society has devised to keep them inside their cocoon. Too bad, some people see this as a compliment. I totally agree with you about how some people here try to justify their actions by chanting hymns of "free speech" and yada yada yada...but like you said, unchecked freedom leads to downfall rather than the upliftment of the socienty. This reminds me of the theory known as "The tragedy of the commons," where a few communal goods or goods that have no apparent cost, like the privilege of using the Sajha forums or even "freedom of speech" are used more or abused by some people than others. Total freedom in the commons brings ruin to all. Hairypotter: I have seen pictures of girls pulled out from the party pictures album and put on one of the threads, where the posters used photoshop to circle her nipples. Thank goodness for San's responsiveness in deleting that thread, you probably didn't get a chance to see it. I am sure some people here found it hilarious, but let me assure you that it was probably far from humorous for the girl who thought she was posing for some party pictures. |
| HairyPotter | Posted
on 05-May-04 10:59 PM
Rosie, you haven't changed much since the early days in sajha. Somewhere in the forum you once wrote: > I am not surprised that the majority of Nepali girls wanna marry Americans. Why not? >Most American guys are in general a lot better looking than most Nepali guys. Honestly > speaking, in my 23 years of being a Nepali girl, I have never seen a Nepali guy that I > can actually call hot, except for one, who grew up in the US. Most Nepali guys are > obnoxious, have zero personality and have no idea how to please women (not just > physically, but also to make her feel loved, respected and desired). >not with white girls, for whom they can wag their tails and be ready to nail even the > most supersized one... In this thread you wrote: >I would have understood this kind of uncivilized (to say the least) behavior if sajha was > an all boys' school, where the students are kept far apart from females. But in light of > the fact that most of the sajha visitors live in the US or Canada or Australia or Europe, > where the society is so open minded and liberal, this kind of behavior is shocking. >Is this how all guys are or just Nepali guys or just Nepali guys in Sajha? Please enlighten >me Conclusion: 1) The same old fiery feminist 2)Pretend to be the torch bearer of morality and (so called) civilised world 3)Little headstrong in her effort to show nepali men in a bad light (offcourse not every nepali men can use photoshop..hehe) 4)Double standard..(blames us for name giving while herself showing her attitude towards "supersized women" |
| ProudNepali | Posted
on 05-May-04 11:25 PM
Hmmm.. so that's how the story goes. Thanks for the past references HairyPotter. No wonder why someone willl post a thread like that. Maybe egomanic or idiocentric..... or curse to this little web community, it's shameful and a sinful did. Could have done a better job by pointing out the good dids of the men rather than being a critic. Specification could have done the job where generalization led towards anger and backlashing. Maybe GOd bless her. jai Nepal |
| Lakshmi | Posted
on 05-May-04 11:56 PM
Rosie..you are embarrassing yourself..now is an opportune time for you to shut up. |
| ProudNepali | Posted
on 06-May-04 12:15 AM
Sometimes you speak my words Lakshmi.... :) :) :) |
| Lakshmi | Posted
on 06-May-04 12:20 AM
thanks....hehe...we still on for the basketball and arm-wrestling? |
| Rosie | Posted
on 06-May-04 08:37 AM
Thanks HairyPotter for doing a search on me. I see that my words have disturbed you so much that you went into the trouble of digging up my past posts to prove your point. I am truly honored. Yes, I am still very much a feminist, but not someone who wants to put men down to show women's superiority. I believe in equality, which cannot be served as long as women are judged entirely and often ridiculed for their looks. I don't mean to say that **all** Nepali men fit into that criteria and the last thing I want to do is generalize. However, like I said before, I also don't want to be too specific by naming names, because I do not want to start a personal attack on anyone. Feminism is about changing the society's mode of thinking, not about pointing fingers or villifying individuals. As far as being a "torch bearer of morality" is concerned, all I have to say is that my goal in starting this thread was to sensitize the blatant disregard for other people's feelings by ***some*** posters, as we have often witnessed in this webiste. A very gruesome example of this happens to be the numerous threads that publicly ridicule and humiliate the unsuspecting female partygoers. Also, my mentioning "supersized women" in the other thread was a satirical reference to demonstrate what extreme lengths some Nepali guys (or even girls for that matter) go in order to land themselves a green card. I hope this clears our misunderstanding :) Lakshmi, I thought of writing a few words for you too, but seeing how naive you are, I think I will let you continue to revel in your naivete. Keep talking if you please. |
| VincentBodega | Posted
on 06-May-04 08:43 AM
Hey Rosie O Donnell, >I would have understood this kind of uncivilized (to say the least) behavior if sajha was > an all boys' school, where the students are kept far apart from females. I thought I asked this question... well I will ask you again... what are you trying to say about the boys who go to all boys school? What do you mean? |
| ugly duckling | Posted
on 06-May-04 09:32 AM
Nattu, If you haven't found meaning of life by now..you are in tough luck. You have wasted your 20 some years down the drain. |
| Rosie | Posted
on 06-May-04 11:19 AM
Oops...sorry Vincent Bodega, your question totally slipped through my mind. My reference to an all boys' school was merely to depict how when guys or girls are kept in a sheltered place where they have very little or no interaction with the opposite sex, unhealthy curiosities are born about each other. This is often expressed as pornographic graffiti on bathroom walls, etc. However, when these students go through puberty and come to adulthood, and get exposure and education in life, they do not resort to the same old means of getting cheap thrills, and are more considerate and understanding of the opposite sex (at least I would hope so). So, when I see some guys in Sajha behaving like students who just entered puberty in a uni-sex school, I am appalled. Please let me know if you have further questions on this ;) |
| MillionDollars | Posted
on 06-May-04 11:30 AM
Ghinlagdi Rosie, Dr. Potter's reference to your earlier posting has shown how stupid you are and how inferior you feel about your origins. Dr. Potter has nailed you so bad that if you had slightest idea what dignity is, you would have apologized to everyone here in Sajha already. Regardless of you showing inititiatives, I am sure all of us forgive you... |
| Rosie | Posted
on 06-May-04 11:40 AM
MillionDollars: You are hereby granted the carte- blanche to show us all the full extent of your foolishness. Please continue to humor us. Yours truly, Rosie |
| nattu | Posted
on 06-May-04 11:43 AM
What a SHOCKER !!! Is that the best you can do ??? I don't even see a point arguing with you UD. Even the girls who you are trying defend are against you.....how funny is that ??? Why don't you just admit that you're too far off from the mainstream and need to shut up. Your actions are clearly indicating that the meaning of your life is to publicly humiliate yourself, which I don't like a bit. Maybe you should give yourself a break. Ya know,.......like stop searching the meaning of life so hard for a change and enjoy life instead. How about writing stupid NEW POEMS for fun....huh??............for old time sake :-). |
| MillionDollars | Posted
on 06-May-04 12:10 PM
Ghinlagdi Rosie, And the point is.... ? |
| ugly duckling | Posted
on 06-May-04 12:25 PM
Nattu, You probably need some reading glasses. First, no girls have gone against me. Then, it's only you think that I have humilated myself. And finally, I do not write poems. Don't try to over come your incompetency by bashing girls in sajha. |
| Nattu | Posted
on 06-May-04 01:00 PM
What about Laxmi, Sonika_NY and others? Now, don't tell me they're supporting your opinion. Your stupid opinion is clearly outnumbered by the opposition yet you're still yapping...blah ..blah..blah. Don't you get it ?? YOU LOST and we don't need your advice..ok. Tell that to your kids ( if you have 'em ) or your boyfriends. I never said you write poems. All I said was " How about writing poems for fun? " cuz I don't read poems and that way I could easily avoid your postings. I wish, you were a poet. Can you try please ?? ...writing poems :-) |
| ugly duckling | Posted
on 06-May-04 02:26 PM
Well Nattu, You can scream on top of your lungs all you want. I won't be here to read it for a while. I am off on a jet-plane.....:). |
| rohini_a | Posted
on 06-May-04 02:44 PM
Rosie, I personally think you're not very intelligent. That's all I've got to say to nincompoops like you. I have never seen you make one post that I can deem to be critically thought out. That cool-aid has done you no good. I feel sorry for you, frankly. Your post has so many holes that I could prolly drive my Toyota Corolla through it. Your supposition is that it's just Nepali guys with this attitude of scrutinizing a chic from every angle possible. The question is, HAVE YOU VISITED OTHER SITES BESIDES NEPALI ONES??? You obviously have not. You're a joke. Keep wallowing in your feminism, that's all you're good for. With that attitude, I can guarantee that you'll be shunned upon by society, which in return will make you whine even louder, and the vicious cycle goes on and on and on. I pray to Allah that you not be granted 100 male virgins when you die. You don't even deserve a giggolo, much less 100 virgins. This is how I feel, and hopefully, Rosie, you'll correct your character flaw. |
| Rosie | Posted
on 06-May-04 03:21 PM
Rohini, Indeed! How easy it is to discredit people by calling names and telling them that they have a character flaw without offering valid points and arguments to support your conclusion. I am not saying that only Nepali men have this attitude towards women, neither am I saying that all Nepali men or all male posters in Sajha are like that. I think that I have repeated this enough number of times in my earlier posts already. However, the fact that a large number of men do it doesn't justify anything. A wrong deed will always be wrong regardless of how many people commit it. At the same time, I can't post a message on every website out there, can I? And, I am not whining or complaining about anything. I am just putting my ideas across so that people are aware of the consequences of their seemingly harmless actions. What they do with that information is entirely upto them. I neither have nor do I wish to have any control over people. I believe your critique of me was given with good intentions and I will take it as such. Thank you! |
| JagaltayBhoot | Posted
on 06-May-04 03:45 PM
Quote I pray to Allah that you not be granted 100 male virgins when you die Unquote What is this man (or a woman ) talking about here? He ought to be ashamed of himself. Is that what he prays for every day for 5 times??? Pray for good of others, pray for peace, pray for prosperity, man, there are lots of things to be prayed for…….....but just look at what he is intending to pray for……………..I wonder which religion he follows. [“Where is the love”-Black eyed peas] As far I remember, the first post written on this thread was full of good intentions. Of course, if you put it under microscopic scrutiny, you may find some flaws as some members have already pointed out (like “sweeping generalization” and so on……..). But try to take its theme in good spirit and learn from it (whoever needs to) instead of opposing for the sake of opposing. Cheers |
| rohini_a | Posted
on 06-May-04 03:46 PM
Chill, for a sec. You're blowing it all out of proportion. You can't criticize/single out Nepali guys only without being privy to how non-nepalis behave, IMHO. Guys like goodlooking chics, and that's that. It's just human nature. Your whining won't change a thing, so why whine in the first place? Lakshmi, no wonder, you're a BLONDE. LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
| dyamn | Posted
on 06-May-04 03:49 PM
although i say put some more hoties pics out there, i have to agree with rosie on this one.. imagine someone putting pic of your gf and talking about her boob... how about your sister went to ANA party and her pic is up here and guys are talking about how big her lips are and wish they were a popsicle... how about your aunt, your best friend, mom(??, let's not even go there).. it's easy to be hypocryct and bash on rosie but do some soul searching and honestly disagree with rosie, if you could.. i bet you can not do that.. .. if you would like to argue with me regarding this , and like to assure me that it's okay to post girls' pics without thier permission and talk shit about thier boobs and what not, please go ahead and post your mom's pic out there... ya there u go, just the word" mom" made you all pissed off , didn't it?? I think it's ok to talk about someone's pic from thier profile or if someone is featured and compliment them for thier beauty.. if you think they are ugly or lack some fleash on her chest then keep your mouth shut.. it's mean to tell someone that she's not hot.. even if she is... however, it's not reasonalbe to post someone's pic from a social gathering without thier consent and judgying thier lips, hips, and whatnot.. just cuz we bokas can get away with being behind the computer.... .... hyaaaa i have to go.. i'm sajha addicted lately.. bye dyamn |
| rohini_a | Posted
on 06-May-04 03:49 PM
Jagaltaybhoot, you sound like a gita thumper. Shut the hell up, you idiot, you got no sense of humor. |
| touch_the_sky | Posted
on 06-May-04 04:39 PM
Guys leave Rosie alone. Fuk off all if u don't understand what she is trying to say. Misintrepret something and then whine, cheap talks. Agree with Rosie all the way. |
| Rosie | Posted
on 06-May-04 08:22 PM
Awww...you guys are going to bring tears to my eyes :) Finally, the real men have stepped up, unlike those who need to use a female pseudonym to prove god knows what. I am truly elated to know that my ideas are appreciated and agreed with by at least a few. JagaltayBhoot: You are a very mature, kind, and positive person. Your post was such a breath of fresh air. Dyamn: Your example about how people would feel if their own mothers or sisters were put on the spot was top notch. Yea, lets see how they can stomach that insult. Touch the sky: you have touched my heart! At the root of it, feminism is not even about boys and girls. Its about one human being seeing another as an equal. Its about one life respecting another. Consideration for others or the lack thereof is one of the most accurate indicators of a peson's upbringing, maturity, and education level. Its too bad that some people think that saying "by the way, I am all about naari ko samman" makes them a promoter of women. Wise men live by their beliefs, not offer them as a disclaimer at the end of their statements. Even more pathetic is how people resort to name calling and using gender specific slurs when they are not smart enough to logically reason and argue their point in a civil language. My hope for these people is to be able to look at the world through someone else's eyes, to be able to put themselves in someone else's shoes. The Golden Rule is still the best rule ever known to mankind. I will leave this at that. Good night and have a rosy tomorrow! |
| Bramha | Posted
on 06-May-04 08:31 PM
The content in this thread was not that bad! Thanks HarryPotter for ur research on Rosie where she wrote: > I am not surprised that the majority of Nepali girls wanna marry Americans. Why not? >Most American guys are in general a lot better looking than most Nepali guys. Honestly > speaking, in my 23 years of being a Nepali girl, I have never seen a Nepali guy that I > can actually call hot, except for one, who grew up in the US. Most Nepali guys are > obnoxious, have zero personality and have no idea how to please women (not just > physically, but also to make her feel loved, respected and desired). >not with white girls, for whom they can wag their tails and be ready to nail even the > most supersized one... Rosie, the above posts clearly portrays you and shows how much respect u do have frfor ur nepali people. U do not belong here..Get the hell out of this site! Rohini, you are right, she doesn't deserve even a gigolo! You really are intelligent gal with Greate sense of humor! But why GITA thumper? watch out Bramha here! Bramha |
| HairyPotter | Posted
on 06-May-04 09:16 PM
Dude ! You got my name wrong. Its HairyPotter not HarryPotter. |
| wateva | Posted
on 06-May-04 10:01 PM
LOL on the hairy DUDE... man you are funny!... Brahma you are just PLAIN stupid! Anyways I am all the way with Rosie...although I cant read all the essays she wrote... I did read the first one and totally agree! she seems like a very smart and sensible chick and for some reason not MANY are able to see her reason... either because you LOVE arguement... or because you cannot come out of the male dominated mind set... or because you are a MCP OR just because YOU are a freaking dumbass... whatever not my problem nyways... All I gotta say is GOOOO Rosie!! |
| ProudNepali | Posted
on 06-May-04 11:44 PM
Attention: This thread started in this fashion: "Rosie Posted on 05-04-04 10:23 PM Reply | Notify Admin Since the first day that I stumbled upon this site, I have noticed how the men in Sajha act like animals when it comes to girls. Everytime, they come upon a picture of a girl - be it in the members' profile section or from one of the party pictures - and she gets noticed for her attractiveness or unattractiveness, a thread is born to analyze every inch of her on the picture." SO whoever thinks Roise is doing fine even after reviewing Her previous postings from different threads is stupid as a hell. It would have been such a nice thread if Rosie had used the terms "Some MEN" instead of "the men." The remainder of the thread is all about criticizing the immatured and overtly feminized voices. Her failure to make the proper choice of words got her into trouble. Not just men but gals also wrote against her. So, it's not about sexism anymore. Had she used the "Qualifying" terms, her thread would have been highly appreciated. As pointed out by HairyPotter she is more into promoting women than anythign else. Hell yeah... promoting women is a good thing. That doesn't mean one has to bash the male population. Why can't one thing get better without worsening the other? It's the stereotyped personalities that create a havoc of one sex being dominant over the other. we have found one good example here in Sajha. Rosie, you had failed to prove your points. The more you write the more will you agonize yourself. you are being overtly feminist so there is no room for equality in your perception. Maybe in words but not in hearts. You don't have to be so specific such that you have to call out the names to describe your problems. By simply using the more qualifying terms can help you explain the things better. Please appreciate that I do not spell out things for no reasons. When I spell it out, then I seriouslu meant it. When I said "Naariko Samman" then that's exactly what I mean. People around me and who had known me, especially the females, know that better. Wish you were one of them. I do not sell my thoughts so cheaply. Talking about sharp feminism in one hand and equality in the other. That's bullshit. You speak and you live up to it. You ain't a dog not to know what to speak?? You are human and you can think. So think well before you write it or speak it out. You will never succeed in Covering your childishness unless you have a good sense of humor and greater sense of understanding. Trying to divert the issues in order to show the validity of your patheric accusations will take you nowhere but hell. So Miss Grow up. You call Naive to those who understand better than you do. That's shitty. Lakshmi sounded more matured than you (at least here). Listen to what others have to say about you two and you will have a clearer picture in front of you. DYAammmmmmmmmmm bro your perspective is clear and justifiable. yeah, those kinds of acts can be very very embarrassing. Seriously, only the victims can acknowledge that to the fullest. But bro it ain't fair to pour the frustration over everyone. If someone does a really embarrasing job, then the victim has every right to confront that evil doer. That's human nature. But, the whole world is not to be blamed. World is full of good and bad people. You can't blame the whole world. That's insane. I hope you realize your weaknesses Rosie. It's okie to jot down your opinions. But Verbally accusing everybody is very offensive. write fairly and I am your best friend. Jai NEpAL |
| viswas | Posted
on 07-May-04 03:42 AM
As this thread seems to have divulged a tad bit, towards –“the oppression of women”- and it IS at some level pertinent, I would like to add some perspective to the general topic of female oppression by presenting a “theory”-“viewpoint”- or (whatever you may call it). This is NOT my opinion and I don’t subscribe to it, in its entirety. This theory (allow me to call it so for the purposes of this thread) takes a rather staunch feminist stance. But that is beside the point. My point is to (hopefully) help you see the status quo (in terms of women) from a slightly skewed vantage point. So in any case-like Baz Luhrman says in his (Everybody is Free to Wear Sunscreen) song: “I will dispense this now”: *********SILENCING OF WOMEN********* Silencing in the sense- (To curtail the expression of; suppress: silencing all criticism; silenced their opponents- www.dictionary.com). ********************************************************************** An effective tool used by (an individual/a group in the society) to suppress the other is silencing. For the purposes of illustration: In a dictatorial or authoritarian regime the dictator or the authority figure head may try to silence the hoi polloi through violent means like threats, or using violence, curtailing civil liberties. In the same fashion, in the predominantly male dominated society of ours (pretty much all societies throughout the world with a minority of exceptions) silencing of the women take place by similar means. Various OVERT ways in which silencing takes place are through PHYSICAL practices, usually involving VIOLENCE in one form or the other: BATTERING, IMPRISIONMENT, SLAVERY, WITCH BURNING (historically valid) CLITERODECTOMY, so on and so forth. These are some of the means that have been used in history or exist in some form today. However SILENCING also takes place through more COVERT means. Threats of violence, name calling, discounting, accusations, incarceration, threats of abandonment by family and friends etc are some ways how SILENCING of women is carried out in the society. By such means women are essentially deprived of their voice or rather made to SHUT UP. As a result women keep mum about their issues and problems, and hence LOSS of a voice. These covert practices- although usually passes unnoticed or uncared under the public scrutiny, they can and have been identified and attempts to deal with them have been carried out. So though of concern they are not very pressing as the third form of SILENCING. The last way in which women are silenced is by IGNORING or treating as INVISIBLE. Essentially the same COVERT method, however, it is more SUBTLE, because it is embedded in more idle or passive actions (oxymoron ???) and practices of the society. Since it is more subtle, it is more serious. Now to further explain how the society engages in treating women as INVISIBLE and IGNORING them … Today’s society engages in such action by discrediting women in regards to their abilities, qualities or intellectual competence and focusing on their outward appearance. Such failure to observe women in a holistic fashion rather focusing in some narrow aspect creates a social milieu in which women become INVISIBLE (not necessarily disappear in thin air, mind you). To a great extent this takes place in our society media and popular culture that paints a standard and clichéd portrait of the women or beauty as- “of certain height, of certain texture”, “certain weight and so on. This applies to a good extent to men as well; nevertheless, women are the primary victims of this trend. This not only discredits women of their achievements but also contributes in raising doubts in a woman’s own mind about her own potentials. Furthermore, in the economic realm women’s voices have been silenced through other means like poverty. Women who are single mother and poor are the ones whose voices can least be heard in the society. Because they are poor and thus vulnerable they are unable to voice their opinion and make themselves heard. So they silently surrender to exploitations in the hands of the larger section of the society, mostly men. For e.g. in cases where poor women depend on certain jobs to earn their bread and butter, the employers or bosses may exploit them by threatening these women to fire them from their jobs. In such cases women are in a position where they will probably submit themselves silently to whatever they are told to do rather than fight back Also in many circumstances women have to engage in pleasing their bosses and keeping them happy, because they are more likely to be treated well if they do so, which is another form of exploitation of women. There are numerous other ways in which women have been silenced in our society and this has been a tradition that goes far back into human civilization. Lack of diagnosis of such problems have resulted in a society that has preserved a narrowly defined picture of the women-that recognizes and judges them on how they look and not who or what they really are. ******** Viswas |
| Rosie | Posted
on 07-May-04 08:44 AM
Viswas: Great article. Thanks! Wateva: You're a sweetheart. As for the other people here who are too "proud" to admit that they are wrong and have to keep arguing for the sake of it, I have nothing more to say. Indeed, it is much harder to listen to people and try to understand them, than to come up with hair-splitting analyses to prove them wrong. Please write another dissertation on how horrible a person I am, and oh yea, on how I have "generalized." I will not respond to anything you or the likes of you say. In the words of Oscar Wilde, "fools ask questions that even the wisest can't answer." |
| tauke | Posted
on 07-May-04 08:59 AM
Rosie, I agree with you. Fool like you ask those questions that wise person like me can't even answer. |
| MillionDollars | Posted
on 07-May-04 09:20 AM
Ghinlagdi Rosie, Why are you so Ghinlagdi ? |
| dyamn | Posted
on 07-May-04 09:28 AM
... there is no point to continue this discussion... useless |
| LadyBug | Posted
on 07-May-04 09:38 AM
dyamn, hold on, it is not so useless. i think ROsie is doing a great job by trying to preach those who really need to be preached, as i have mentioned before, their moms forgot to tell them few things. Rosie you are my new best friend, thought-wise. You go girl! |
| dyamn | Posted
on 07-May-04 09:42 AM
... so those ppl gonna get enlightned by this discussion??? ya..i can see them getting down on thier knees, crying and asking for forgiveness to you and Rosie.. ha.... |
| LadyBug | Posted
on 07-May-04 09:49 AM
its ok dyam, you get what you want, not what you need necessarily. it's their loss in my view. but at least Rosie tried and i applaud her for that personally, she is the hero, not the pseudo machositic ones.......correct my spelling, got no time for spell check hehe. get my point anyways right? have a good weekend dyam.....hajur ko bhakta. LadyBug |
| john doe | Posted
on 07-May-04 02:32 PM
miss Rosie, Girls like you will continue demeaning nepali men by comparing them to their white caucasian (I'm assuming this is what you meant by "American"?) counterparts and almost always finding them inferior in terms of their physique, aesthetics, and personality, not to mention their ability (or lack thereof) to "please" women, and the fact that they are generally "obnoxious". And, Guys like some of us here in sajha will continue writing lewd and unflattering comments about women who they perceive to be not up to par with what they see on MTV Spring Break. And that is the way the cookie crumbles! Your attempts at preaching decency is praiseworthy indeed, but maybe it would've been a tad bit more effective and a whole lot more appropriate if you practised what you preached. Yes, the guys are singling out anonymous women whose only fault was that they somehow caught the attention of the photographer, but you are passing judgment on the entire creed of nepali men by labeling them as being somehow inadequate compared to the "Americans". And please dont insult our intelligence by coming back with a "oh i didnt mean to generalize" retort. JD |
| Rosie | Posted
on 07-May-04 03:00 PM
Ladybug, I really appreciate your encouragement. Girls gotta stick together, right ? However, I think now I will let the dogs bark and the frogs croak. I can't turn them into civilized humans, can I? There are certain things that are innate in one's personality due to their upbringing, their family, and more or less the kind of influences they had early in their lives, and no matter how bright the light and how obvious the truth, these people will fight with all they have to resist change. This ultimately leads to their downfall. I made the attempt to spread a message and those who got it, more power to them. Those who didn't, have a nice life. C'est tout, mon ami. Have a great weekend, girl! |
| Lakshmi | Posted
on 07-May-04 09:22 PM
Rosie, get off the computer and go on a date or something.. |
| HairyPotter | Posted
on 08-May-04 12:13 AM
Rosie, you seem to be one hell of a stubborn girl. Stubborn to the point that its begining to drive me crazy. The whole concept of men / women equality is outdated in the present context. Everybody knows and agree to the fact that women and men are equal and if there are few who still beleives that women are lesser being, then I think the whole male species should be blamed. I give my seat to old ladies in the train, hold the door for them, give them my space if I see they are carrying babies or are pregnent, let them have the way first. though I don't have any sisters I grew up with 3 cousins, whose influence made me read almost all the issue of Nancy Drew stories along with Hardy boys. The charm and romanticism of ,"Anne of Green Gables" fascinated me as much as the suspense and mystery of . They had more women then men in my joint family while a child. My greatest influence has been my aunt, from whom I have learnt the wonders of words, science, and nature. Later in my life they were the single most helpful people I had. My mom, whose immense patience and simplicity still bewilders me and whose love keeps me going when I am down on all fronts. With so much influence I had from women in my life theres no way that I could possibly think of women as being a lesser importance. But if I see a beautiful girl i wouldn't mind saying so.I don't do copy & paste of the face and body but if I think her feminine features are attractive, I would not mind expressing it and if you,Rosie, think it is disrespectful and i shouldn't do so, i would say, "who gives a sh.it about what you think"...and we all know how you think !! |
| ProudNepali | Posted
on 08-May-04 12:13 AM
Nice effort in trying to make a Dummy out of yourself! That's when you are at your best Rosie. Goodluck with that UNcivilized persona of yours. Jai nepal |
| HairyPotter | Posted
on 08-May-04 12:14 AM
Please correct "the whole male species should NOT be blamed" |
| LadyBug | Posted
on 10-May-04 08:58 AM
Yes Rosie, I hear ya. When we try to say something, they label us feminist (at the nicest level) and what not......Mr ProudNepali is one of those that proved our point early on. So I still hold that against him because he did NOT publicly apologize to me. It does not matter even a single TAD bit (to borrow JD's language) that he is proclaiming himself as being a guy who does 'naariko samman' re.......bull shit. if you could call me names, you could call ANY Other woman anything .. the fact being we are just virtual members of this community and you did not know a single thing about me. That is enough to prove Rosie's point, the personal attack on me. Talk about civility of sajha men, let alone decency. And yet you know i have failed to teach them anything, as they seem not to be those who are looking to expand their learning curve, so i have said this before and say this again. Let them be. However You still deserve praises for bringing this topic back, knowing that the terminators and ballers would kick back with all the machoness they think they possess. they have yet to learn what a mere fool they really are!!! i rest my case. JD - i am just wondering - why did you pick a nickname so american if you are here to champion the cause of nepali men? i think something like ram prasad would have been more appropriate, no? not trying to open up pandora's boxes.....curiousity kills the cat as u know. PS: even though i know you will come back and try to bash me as much as you can(you know who you are), i am no fool to waste my time in this discussion, knowing what kinda response i'd get. i did have a little newfound respect for JD, which he kinda washed away again in this thread by his gross ignorance against Rosie's postings. sorry bro. |
| touch_the_sky | Posted
on 10-May-04 09:58 AM
Rosie just get off the case for these asses will never understand what u trying to say. Morons, sickhead all of them. |
| dyamn | Posted
on 10-May-04 10:32 AM
.. sshit , don't you guys have a better thing to do? like studying or working or something/?/ why don'tyou go clean your room or something?? ya clean your bathroom or whatever.. don't be wastin' time in here judging and gettin 'involved in tungo na puchhaar ko argument la... |
| jpt | Posted
on 10-May-04 11:49 AM
didi, bahini, daju, bhai tatha mitra haru, sab kaa sab kina defensive mode maa hunchan yaha? la bhannuhos ta. sincerely ya'alls, JPT |
| chubby_cheeks | Posted
on 10-May-04 02:52 PM
oh my god!!!!it's not like we're the only ones that compare u guys with other guys...plzz ya all do it all the time...ya all be judging nepali gurls like as if she was gonna be a runway model or something ~`CC`~ |
| Rekha | Posted
on 10-May-04 09:17 PM
Oh come on guys don't be so harsh to Rosie. He/she was just trying to express his/her feeling. Nothing wrong with that right ??? Everyone has their own opinion about things and we should all respect that. No need to call names and get into arguments. Everyone is right on their own way..... Peace Out............. |