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| swarnim |
Posted
on 07-May-04 07:06 AM
Sorry to start a new thread on this, but I wanted to put some serious thoughts on the topic and wanted to know yours too. Perhaps the King should chair the council of the ministers for this interim government.
Now that Thapa has been made to resign (in Nepali politics of appoinment by the palace, it is clear that no one willingly resigns and retires), is this an opportinity for bringing in peace in the country?
I think the King ought to form an interim government by non-politicians with the sole purpose of conducting the general elections. Those who want to stand in elections and actively participate in campaigining should NOT be part of the interim government. Also those who are under investigation by CIAA should be disqualified to stand in election or participate in any election campaign until they are fully cleared by CIAA.
Finally, to conduct a free and fair election, the palace and its henchpeople should stay neutral in order to let the democracy flourish in the country.
Bangladesh has had an interim government successfully put in placed in between the general elections, and I see no reason why it would not work for us.
Naming a PM and going from one government to another is simply viewed as a ploy to stall the time and momentum the democracy movement is gaining in the country. If the King is sincerely about the democracy, he should form an impartial interim government to conduct the elections.
We have had three "Bahadurs" in the last four years but no respite to the poors. Those discredited politicians are just not going to do any good to the country. We would not have been such a mess had three Bahadurs and two Prasads thought and worked for the benefit of the country. There is only one word that I have often heard for these discredited politicians. That is, thukka!!
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| andolan_61 |
Posted
on 07-May-04 07:20 AM
Krishna Prasad Bhattarai should be next priminister in nepal
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| utsav |
Posted
on 07-May-04 07:20 AM
In an ideal situation, this would work. But not in practice.
1) If Gyanendra heads the council of ministers, it would give a very negative signal on his commitment to democracy.
2) I also don't think people who are not contesting in the election should be in the cabinet for practical reasons. We need to look at the cabinet of Lokendra Bahadur Chand....
I agree with you about denying "corrupt" leaders from contesting the election.........
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| utsav |
Posted
on 07-May-04 07:21 AM
correction:
I also don't think people who are not contesting in the election should ONLY be in the cabinet for practical reasons....
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| binay |
Posted
on 07-May-04 09:38 AM
Swarnim, I do agree with most of what you suggested here. Yes, the king should form an interim government consisted of people like Devendra R. Pandey who is clean and not aligned with any particular political party at this moment, and yet understands all the odds of Nepali politics. Only other practical alternative that I see is having one of the former judges, as in the case of Bangladesh. Let's see what is king's next move. Hope he won't have another Lokendra Bdr. Chand this time around.
I was just talking to a friend of mine. He has some interesting points to say. He strongly believes that Sher Bahadur Deuba should be reinstated as the PM. Although his cabinet had a bunch of corrupt ministers, who he thought should not be included until their cases are pending with CIAA, it was a democratically "elected" government. Yes, one can surely argue that reinstating him as the PM is like "nakhau bhane din bhari ko sikar, khaun bhane kachha ba ko ...." No matter how hard for us to accept his track record as the PM, he surely was the head of the legitimate cabinet. However, I really don't know if this can be acceptable to Nepali Congress and RPP. Or if he can learn from his past mistakes. His biggest mistake was to dissolve the local bodies. I perstonally think that this move proved to be too costly in terms of what the Maoists gained from it.
Great to see you back in the forum.
binay
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| jivman |
Posted
on 07-May-04 10:41 AM
Andolan:
you must be crazy to have Kisunji as a next PM. Lets get next gen leader who is clean and not affiliated with any Political Parties.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 07-May-04 11:21 AM
To the victors belongs the spoils.
Five parties will choose the PM. Five parties will also talk to king about who will choose the rules regarding the royal palace, and how to bring the whole lot of worth-nothing Shah royal family under the rule of law. This royal budget , the car purchases things should also be investigated by some kind of independent inquiry commission.
I think the new council of minister should look into corruptions done under Gyanendra. There is a lot of talk about a lot of corruptions done by the royal family including the king, his aasepaase during the gaaijaatraa of abhinandan, and his council of ministers who randomly appointed people to local bodies.
If Gyanendra dares to appoint another bahadur again, he will be playing with fire. He should learn to live like a common Nepali from now on, if he wants to redeem himself. Otherwise, he always has an option of going to referendum about whether Nepali people want king or not.
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| M.P. |
Posted
on 07-May-04 11:23 AM
If we have a cabinet of non-political figures, how is it different from the 2nd Bahadur government we had?
And, let's be practical; if a cabinet of non-political figures is formed, will the political parties stop their agitation? I personally think MKN -- or any other person decided by the parties -- should be the PM.
But again, everything in Nepal happens with Maila Kaji's whim, you never know what stupid plan he has in mind. He wasted one full year and we are back to square one, perhaps we moved further back.
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| NK |
Posted
on 07-May-04 12:26 PM
Is that you Swarnim? Our Paschim?
Yeah, what's going on there???
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| Mitra 2 |
Posted
on 07-May-04 01:00 PM
The above suggestion by Swarnim would work best if the regression was the only cause of the current mess of the country. In fact, the interim government headed by KP Bhattarai is the best govt we have seen yet despite some controversies. A government headed by non-political figures would have been a great start at least to conduct a fair election. However, that not the issue as I see it. The issue is the Maoist problem we are facing. As long as the Maoists problem remains, we won't move further no matter what Bahadur or Prasad takes over. It is impossible to restore peace and democracy without solving the Maoist problem. And we all know that our leaders don't have any agenda as how to solve that problem. Not only that, we don't know what the Maoists are planning next. The greater mystery, at least to me, is who is fueling them. So, I would be very cautious to celebrate the victory yet.
Even though I would like to see Sher Bahadur back to be a PM, I strongly oppose him for his recommendation to dissolve the parliament. He and Girija should be accountable for their deeds who repeatedly dissolved the parliament for their political gains. I think those were the bigger blows to our democracy than the kings steps itself. Opposition parties should take responsibilities as well who elected Md. Mohasin as a chairman of the upper house who had 3 votes from his party men. Why did the parliament oppose the extension of emergency? We all know that their sole purpose was to throw the Deuba govt. Was it necessary or somebody succeeded from behind. Nepali politics took a different turn since then. Let's not forget that.
We have been debating article 127 and crying slogans about regression but it was not going to be a problem had the king listened to our political leaders and their recommendations as to who to appoint the PM. I'm not a king supporter but let's face it -- our leaders don't deserve any respect. They simply lost it. They are the one who gave green light to the king. So, we the people should go after them just the way we are going after the king. Let's say NO to political horse-trading!
Sooner or later, those rules posted by Swarnim should be imposed so that Nepalese people get break from nasty leaders. And YES, we need a major reform in our constitution to punish ALL who break the law. Nothing should be ABOVE the law.
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| utsav |
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on 07-May-04 01:16 PM
We should not forget that no matter who comes to power, there is very little probability(next to zero) that elections will be held sometime soon. So, without representatives from political parties, the government thus formed will not be "representative" in the real sense. So, I do not support the cabinet formed only with members who have no affiliations with major political parties (we could have some people like Devendra Raj Pandey there though).
After the elections are held, the parliament should then pass a bill similar to the one Bangladesh has in place. Right now, I don't think it will be a wise move to introduce such bills. The king has a very low credibility now, and rightly so I might add. His actions will only inspire suspicions now!
Bottomline: The recommendations suggested by Swarnim should be implemented, but not in the present context. It will raise too much complications. Institutions should be in place to ensure that there is no misuse of such clauses. That can happen only after the elected government (or having similar authority in practical sense) is in place......
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 07-May-04 01:33 PM
I agree with mitra that we should be even more vigilant if (that is a big IF) the government of parties comes to power.This time they shouldn't be allowed to take the people for granted.
However, Nepal now needs some immediate exit regarding the king: who is the king? What is his purpose? Should RNA which exercises restricted promotion to the seniormost position be left as it is? Can we go further without addressing these questions?
First, we should give the king and his family a chance to run away from the country, if he chooses to yield the command peacefully. Under the UN auspice, we can actually entice the Maoists to come to the mainstream, give up arms, and hold constitutional assembly to make new constitution. If they refuse to do so, we all will know that there is no other option but to keep on fighting. I know they are not popular in the hills. People are fed up with the RNA and the Maoists.
I think Madhav Nepal should be the PM. I personally like Rohit too, but it is time for us to see what Madhav Nepal can do. I also think king's stuffs and how should we get rid of him should be discussed. There should be no confusion any further that RNA is under parliament, that it will exercise equitable and transparent practices and that it won't be weapon of feudal powers in Nepal to rule and intimidate commoners. I also believe that Madhav Nepal's PMship will be the most useful given his proximity with the Maoist leadership. See, MN may be a weak leader, a lot of people have very low expectation of him, but that is actually going to be his plus point. He has ruled UML since 10 years, which no one had thought when he ascended to power. It is almost like PV Narasimha Rao situation: the man ruled for the whole five years though no one had imagined so.
As for the rest of the ministers, if parties again nominate people like Khum Bdr, Bharat Mohan, Bhim Rawal, Chiranjivi, Bam dev Gautam etc to be ministers, it will be such a huge blow to people. Frankly, a lot of times I like the leaders of small parties, like Pari Thapa, Amik Sherchan, Rohit, Rhidayesh Tripathi than the leaders of big parties. I believe people want educated and unstained bunches and that should be the next Nepal Sarkaar.
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| ____1 |
Posted
on 07-May-04 01:51 PM
hanx SBT for resigning for the best interest of the nation to pave the way for national consensus (and) to preserve the constitutional monarchy, multi-party democracy and the larger interests of the nation. Now the main issues who so ever sits on the chair has to look upon are PEACE, DEMOCRACY & NATIONALISM.These all has to be parallel to each other.If these prevails then only comes DESH BIKASH, GARIBI NIWARAN, OTHER DEVELOPMENT KO PACKAGES etc etc. in a good manner.Raja le bhane jasto SuSashan,corruption free nation n shanti le matra pani pugena, Parties on the streets le bhane jasto DEMOCRACY le matra pani pugdaina (coz' the burnin' issue the peace n security due to Maoist problem, tyo problem ta jaha ko tyahin nai chha), Global n Regional Economisation ko jawana ma Ultra Nationalist matra bhayera pani kamm chhaina.Tyasaile sab kura parallel to each other hunu parchha. Jaha samma REPUBLICISM ko kura chha, what i strongly believe is ,this is not the rt. time to discuss upon this issue.kina bhane yo issue centuries old system sanga jodiyeko chha.People should think about this issue in peaceful manner.Aba aune parlaimentarian haru le public mandate liyera aayera debate suru garnu parchha.why not a national debate????Let the people decide when they are really aware about the gravity and impact about the decision they make. Relevant time ma discuss garnu parchha.Sab chiz at the same time garda JOGI Tarkari packkchha and kehi ko pani swad aundaina.Anarchacism badchha......Raja as a byakti bhanda system ko kura chha.Raja le pani public sentiment bujhna jaruri chha ( tara mis interpreted nahosh)
Now the ball is in the parties court.Common candidate dina saknu parchha.Aba kohi particular byakti bhanda mathi uthna parchha for the BEST INTEREST OF THE NATION.Mero afno personal wish ta there should be a broader DEMOCRATIC ALLIANCE. Nepal ko durbhagya , worldwide Communism wipe out bhayeko bela ma Nepal ma 21 st century ma communist haru strong. Tara ahile context ma compromise garnu parchha , alliance ma samaweshh hunai parchha.
Aba hami haru jasto genral peaple/janata pani serious hunu parchha. Yo time ma Raja lai rish pokhne nihu ma aru koi galat manchhe aayo bhane yo desh le aru dherai cost bear garnu parchha kina bhane aba aune govt. bhaneko kasaiko haat ma nabhayeko govt. ho. NO parliament, no king's men. Aba aune Govt. ko prati jawafdehi hunchha????Election nahunn jell samma AUtocratic huna khojyo bhane kasle control garne???Kasaile socheko chha???????Raja lai ta street protests le pressure halyo.....yaslai kasle halne??........ke feri raja le nai 127 use garne?? .......ani tyahi vicious circle ma Nepal ko jindagi jaane?
Sathi haru its not as simple as we all think. Kiing n leaders jo sukai winner or looser bhaye pani Janata looser hunne chances of probabily sadhai dherai high hunchha.What i mean to say is there should be some check and balance mechanism to control both the king and the parties.
Tyasaile Sambidhanko sambardhan n samrakchhan ko lagi and Nepali Janata ko Haq ,heet ko prabandha and parbandhan ko lagi sadhai hami sab gambhirta ka sath lagna jaroori chha.
MAY PEACE, DEMOCRACY & NATIONALISH PREVAIL IN NEPAL !!!!!!!!!!!
Patriot !!!
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| DcKeTa |
Posted
on 07-May-04 01:59 PM
I would say new Government should be under the Premiership OF Pashupati Shamsher JB RANA.
Well educated, experienced administrator, bi lateral relationship with Neighbouring Country...
HE is the Perfect candidate for NEW PM.
Cheers.
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| ____1 |
Posted
on 07-May-04 02:08 PM
DC keta
What I would like to suggest is to read the above discussions!!
DOWN TO EARTH PLEASE !!!
Patriot!!!
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 07-May-04 03:18 PM
_1,
Interesting thoughts. Here is something I want to chip in which may be relevant. This is a not so verbatim dialogue from Natural Born Killer, a Oliver Stone movie. An Indian who had allowed the killer couple to live in his house tells a story: that there was this wounded snake. A man takes care of the snake, brings, gives milk, cures and loves it. After the snake is healthy, it immediately bites the man who had rescued him. The man asks: " why? After I did so much to you?" The snake says, "You knew I was a snake. Didn't you?"
There was this wounded snake put in cage since centuries in Nepali palace. Then 50 years ago, people took care of it. Gave respect, fed, cured. Since then everytime it sees chance,it is biting the hand of Nepali people.It is time that when it is lying low, we make it devoid of poison. We can't invite others (like Maoists) togive up arm and live in a house when we have a poisonous snake inside it, and we are not sure of our own security.
So, let's not get sentimental. Let's take care of one snake at a time when we can. As for who controls the council of ministers, hello, our judicial system is still alive, we won't let CIAA die, we have press, bar,professionals, those who made powerful king to bow down, they will stand up to the occasion: at least we can hope so. This seems more rational hope than hoping a corruption-in-chief to do this job.
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