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   (1) The sum of three numbers is -11. Th 11-May-04 kale_keta
     who gonna b smart in this sajha......... 11-May-04 kale_keta
       duhhh!! urghhh-ummmmm... phew!!! I quit 11-May-04 KaLaNkIsThAn
         Not trying to be smart, I just enjoy thi 11-May-04 nsshrestha
           The answers for the 1st prblem: x= - 4 11-May-04 niksnpl
             niksnpl u got right ans..but wat is the 11-May-04 kale_keta
               thanks nssshrestha .. 11-May-04 kale_keta
                 kale_keta imitated my name !!!!! 11-May-04 cool_keta
                   another ques... find the dimensions of 11-May-04 kale_keta
                     For the second problem!! The third 11-May-04 niksnpl
                       The eqns are: let x be lenght y be b 11-May-04 niksnpl
                         still got pro......... 11-May-04 kale_keta
                           wat is the ans of 2nd ques..and 3rd 11-May-04 kale_keta
                             niksnpl, u r rite 11-May-04 nsshrestha
                               Hey Kale Keta !! Don't be so lazy....... 11-May-04 niksnpl
                                 Bloody nerds here... Let me get out of h 11-May-04 MillionDollars
                                   hy try to do byurself 11-May-04 Nepali_boy
                                     perimeter = 34 ft area = 60 sq. ft 2 11-May-04 provein
                                       that was a traditional mathematical proc 11-May-04 provein
OK guys and girls ( though girls have ma 11-May-04 niksnpl
   Aafulai ta hisaab bhanyo ki pisaab aunch 11-May-04 Poonte
     LA POONTe Dai!! aafno bigat lai thes 11-May-04 niksnpl
       aaloo ta hoina...baru mero chillo khappa 11-May-04 Poonte
         POONTE dai!! FERI ek chhoti hisaab pad 11-May-04 niksnpl
           <br> One of the possibilities: (a + b 11-May-04 scatterbrain
             Luki luki pisaab garda jarsaab ko memsaa 11-May-04 Poonte
               Nice try Scatter Brain!!! Could you 11-May-04 niksnpl
                 Something like... (a + b + c)^3 = a^3 11-May-04 scatterbrain
                   It's fine, but I didn't like that term 11-May-04 niksnpl
                     Here's one for you niks et. al.: Eric 11-May-04 scatterbrain
                       According to you: E, A, B, C , D be ag 11-May-04 niksnpl
                         Three mathematicians are applying for a 11-May-04 An Indun Poet
                           Very well done, niks! Impressive. As 11-May-04 scatterbrain
                             An Indun Poet : White? If the first t 11-May-04 scatterbrain
                               You're Good, Here try another one: <b 11-May-04 An Indun Poet
                                 Bob? Need to work out the details though 11-May-04 scatterbrain
                                   On second thoughts, I think it's Jim. 11-May-04 scatterbrain
                                     Jim for sure. Here are the three possib 11-May-04 DWI


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kale_keta Posted on 11-May-04 09:37 AM

(1)
The sum of three numbers is -11. The first, minus the second, plus 4 times the tird, is -7. The third, plus 3 times the first, plus the second, is -19. What are the numbers ?

(2)
Then nepal Rastya Bank contains only nickels, dimes, and quarters. There are 58 coins in all, valued at $4.95. The number of nickels is 10 short of being three times the sum of the number of dimes and quarters together. How many dimes are in the bank ?
kale_keta Posted on 11-May-04 09:38 AM

who gonna b smart in this sajha....................ans those question.............
KaLaNkIsThAn Posted on 11-May-04 09:50 AM

duhhh!! urghhh-ummmmm... phew!!!
I quit...
I haaping...
Ask some dumb questions insted... with the title "who is dumb?"... I might answer that! :)
nsshrestha Posted on 11-May-04 09:54 AM

Not trying to be smart, I just enjoy this.

1.

x + y + z = -11
x - y + 4*z = -7
z + 3*x + y = -19

2.

x + y + z = 58
5 * x + 10 * y + 25 * z = 495
x - 10 = 3(y + z)

Now can you solve the equations?
niksnpl Posted on 11-May-04 10:13 AM

The answers for the 1st prblem:
x= - 4
y= - 5
z= - 2
kale_keta Posted on 11-May-04 10:16 AM

niksnpl u got right ans..but wat is the asn of 2nd ques...
kale_keta Posted on 11-May-04 10:17 AM

thanks nssshrestha ..
cool_keta Posted on 11-May-04 10:18 AM

kale_keta imitated my name !!!!!
kale_keta Posted on 11-May-04 10:19 AM

another ques...
find the dimensions of a rectangular enclosure with perimeter 34 ft and area 60 ft squre...

write down ans
niksnpl Posted on 11-May-04 10:24 AM

For the second problem!!


The third Equation is incorrect:::
The correct one is x + 10 = 3 ( y +z )
or x = 3 ( y + z ) - 10 [ For clarity ]

It gives the soln:
x = 41
y = 9
z = 8
niksnpl Posted on 11-May-04 10:28 AM

The eqns are:
let x be lenght
y be breadth

the perimeter = 2 ( x + y ) = 34
area = x.y = 60


Try to solve...
if n't post it!! i will help you..
kale_keta Posted on 11-May-04 10:35 AM

still got pro.........
kale_keta Posted on 11-May-04 10:40 AM

wat is the ans of 2nd ques..and 3rd
nsshrestha Posted on 11-May-04 10:41 AM

niksnpl, u r rite
niksnpl Posted on 11-May-04 12:51 PM

Hey Kale Keta !! Don't be so lazy............:P:P:P
Try to do something..........
I will give you some hints for the 3rd one.........

the perimeter = 2 ( x + y ) = 34
=> x + y = 17 -------------------------( I )
area = x.y = 60
=> y = 60/x -------------------------(II)

Put the value of y from ( II ) to ( I ):
Then you will get the value of x from ( I )
The eqn will be quadratic equation giving two values of x. neglect the negative value as the lenth of rectangle must be greater than zero...

when you get x, you can get y easily...............


Have fun!!!!!!!!!!
MillionDollars Posted on 11-May-04 12:53 PM

Bloody nerds here... Let me get out of here...
Nepali_boy Posted on 11-May-04 01:17 PM

hy try to do byurself
provein Posted on 11-May-04 01:42 PM

perimeter = 34 ft
area = 60 sq. ft

2(x+y) = 34
x*y =60 -> y=60/x

2x +2y = 34

2x + 120/x = 34

(2x^2 +120)/x = 34

2x^2 - 34x + 120 = 0

2x^2 - 10x - 24x + 120 = 0

2x(x-5) - 24(x-5) = 0

(2x-24)(x-5) = 0

2(x-12)(x-5) = 0

(x-12)(x-5) = 0

x = 12 or 5

If x =12, y = 5, If x = 5, y = 12

2*5 + 2*12 = 10 + 24 = 34ft

5*12 = 60 sq ft.


provein Posted on 11-May-04 01:46 PM

that was a traditional mathematical process

shortcut is to just divide 34 by 2 (because it is twice x+y), which gives you 17.

then just choose a combination which adds up to 17 and has a product of 60

in this case it won't take you more than 1 minute to see that its obviously 12 and 5.
niksnpl Posted on 11-May-04 02:12 PM

OK guys and girls ( though girls have mathphobia :P:P) one more problem:::

( a + b + c ) ^ 2 = a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + 2 ( ab + bc + ca)
( a + b + c ) ^ 3 = ?????

Cheers:::::::::::::::: :U
Poonte Posted on 11-May-04 02:16 PM

Aafulai ta hisaab bhanyo ki pisaab aunchha...

Tatto na chharro aruko math HW garera basnu bhanda gayen ma ta jhaadi tira mutna...oye, kanchha! Koi aayo bhane siti baja hai!
niksnpl Posted on 11-May-04 02:24 PM

LA POONTe Dai!!

aafno bigat lai thesari birsana ta bhayana ni..POONTE dai!!!
birsini bho, thyo school din haru..........jaabo thehi hisaab garna na-aayera,, pisaab matra aayera....tauka kanyauda kanyaudai.....school sakida samma ta......Hamro PYaro Poonte DAi PURA TAALU>........tauko ma AALO PHalne gari..........Thyo aalo pani kaha falya khaha chha.???.....PARIKSHYA ko NATIJA MA...HEHEH ani POONTE ko Buba le Saikal bata bora ka bora AALO osareko katha azhai purano bhayako chhaina...KI kaso poonte dai????

Cheers::
Mathematics is the Queen of Sciences:
Number Theroy is the Queen of Mathematics..........
Poonte Posted on 11-May-04 02:29 PM

aaloo ta hoina...baru mero chillo khapparaan kauli falyo bhane chai ali ramrai dekhinthyo ki? ;)
niksnpl Posted on 11-May-04 02:34 PM

POONTE dai!!
FERI ek chhoti hisaab padhna suru garou...... Tapai ko chillo tauko ma KAAULI matra hoina, TAMATAR, BANDA, PARBAL, MULA, GAAJAR sabai falna suru garchha........

Aba Poonte dai, Suru garne hoina ta Hisaab padhna suru!! Pisaab gari gari bhaya pani Hisaab padhou HAi!!!! :P:P:P

;))
scatterbrain Posted on 11-May-04 02:42 PM


One of the possibilities:
(a + b + c)^3 = a^3 + b^3 + c^3 + ab(a + b) + bc(b + c) + ca(c + a) + 2(a + b + c)(ab + bc + ca)
Poonte Posted on 11-May-04 02:43 PM

Luki luki pisaab garda jarsaab ko memsaab le dekhera laaja marnu bhai raa bela feri hisaab ko kura garchha yo niksnpl karsaab ko naati pani...dhet!
niksnpl Posted on 11-May-04 02:53 PM

Nice try Scatter Brain!!!

Could you make it little nicer????? Still some work to do!!! :U:U
First three are perfect, heheeh

ani Poonte Dai lai feri yauta suzhab bhannu ki sallah::
Hisaab Garda Pisaab Aayo Bhanera, jarsaab ko memsaab ko agadi nai jaanu parne ke jarurat thiyo.... Galti garne aafu, Dosh chahi hisaab lai......ya ta bhayena hai!!!

Aafu Thau ma Pisaab garna najanne, Hisaab lai dosh!!!
hahahahah;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;))))))))))))))))))
scatterbrain Posted on 11-May-04 03:05 PM

Something like...

(a + b + c)^3 = a^3 + b^3 + c^3 + 3{ab(a + b) + bc(b + c) + ca(c + a) + 2abc} ?

niksnpl Posted on 11-May-04 03:11 PM

It's fine,
but I didn't like that term 2abc and some more simplification........When you will find that ............ you will say yourself, WHAT A BEAUTY????!!!
It has Close relation with the expansion of ( a + b + c ) ^ 2, that's why it was there earlier...

Best of Luck .........YOu are very close;;;;;;;;;;;;;;)))

Cheers!!!
scatterbrain Posted on 11-May-04 03:11 PM

Here's one for you niks et. al.:

Eric has four children: Albert, Brad, Carla, and Daisy (in order from oldest to youngest). Brad is 4 years older than Carla and 12 years older than Daisy. This year Eric notices that he is twice as old as Brad, and the sum of the squares of the children's ages equals the square of Eric's age. If Daisy just became a math teacher, what is the sum of the children's ages?
niksnpl Posted on 11-May-04 04:45 PM

According to you:
E, A, B, C , D be ages.

1) B = C + 4
2) B = D + 12 From 1) and 2), C = D +8

3) E = 2B

A^2 + B^2 + C^2 + D^2 = E^2
Subsituting the values of B, C, and E in the above Eqn, we get

A^2 = D^2 + 56 D + 368

According to Question , D just became Math Teacher :
So, for the D belongs to N, => A also belongs to N. where, N= natural number.

for D = 26 ( which is the minimum value that gives natural A ), A =50
Therefore,
B = 38, C= 34 and E = 76
And Finally Answer to your Question:
The sum of Ages of the childres:
now simple now, isn't it????
A + B + C + D = 148


Cheers!!!!!!!!
An Indun Poet Posted on 11-May-04 04:55 PM

Three mathematicians are applying for a job. There are 5 hats,
3 white, 2 black. They're lined up, and a hat is placed on each.
The first person in line cannot see any hat; the second in line
sees only the hat of the person in front of him; the third person
sees only the hats of the two people in front of her. The first
person to correctly figure out what color hat they have gets the
job; you guess wrong and you are killed. Assume these are INTELLIGENT
mathematicians, and that they will do the logically correct thing
at each stage -- if something can be deduced, they will. After a
long pause, the first person, who cannot see any hats, says he knows
the color of his hat. What is the color, and how does he know?

scatterbrain Posted on 11-May-04 05:26 PM

Very well done, niks! Impressive.

As for the minimum value of D being 26, I am assuming you are only considering the possible value of D as a math teacher. However, the smallest positive value in N that also produces a value in N for A is 2. I am sure you were aware of that.

------
As for your expansion of (a + b + c)^3, I think I have found what you want.

(a + b + c)^3 = a^3 + b^3 + c^3 + 3(a + b)(b + c)(c + a) ?

Haven't verified it yet; didn't have enough time for that in my class break, but expansion using (a + b)^3 = a^3 + b^3 + 3ab(a + b) seems to point me to that result. :) You be the judge.
scatterbrain Posted on 11-May-04 05:44 PM

An Indun Poet : White?

If the first two were wearing black, the third person would have the answer right away.

So at least one of the first two must be wearing a white.

Sensing this delay, the second person would have gotten the answer if the first person was wearing black . But he's quiet.

Aware of the hesitations of the two, the first person knows he's wearing a white hat.

An Indun Poet Posted on 11-May-04 06:28 PM

You're Good, Here try another one:

The police rounded up Jim, Bud and Sam yesterday, because
one of them was suspected of having robbed the local bank.
The three suspects made the following statements under
intensive questioning.
Jim: I'm innocent.
Bud: I'm innocent.
Sam: Bud is the guilty one.
If only one of therse statements turns out to be true, who
robbed the bank?
scatterbrain Posted on 11-May-04 06:49 PM

Bob? Need to work out the details though, maybe it's him, maybe not. :)
scatterbrain Posted on 11-May-04 07:57 PM

On second thoughts, I think it's Jim.

T = True T = False

If Jim T, then Bud isF and Sam is T. Bud is the killer, but this would have two T's.

If Sam is T, then Bud is F and Jim is T. Again two T's.

If Bud is T, then Sam is F and Jim is F. One T in this statement, so the killer is Jim.

Again, I could be way wrong. :)
DWI Posted on 11-May-04 08:50 PM

Jim for sure.
Here are the three possibilities:

case I
Jim: I'm innocent.
Bud: I'm not innocent.
Sam: Bud is not the guilty one.
This can't be right, Bud and Sam are in conflict.

case II
Jim: I'm not innocent.
Bud: I'm innocent.
Sam: Bud is not the guilty one.
All three sound right, no conflict observed.

case III
Jim: I'm not innocent.
Bud: I'm not innocent.
Sam: Bud is the guilty one.
Bud and Sam are in agreement, but Jim also is confessing. There is only one suspect, not two

THUS CASE II is true, i.e JIM is the robber.