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| SCORPIOSTING | Posted
on 11-Jun-04 07:27 AM
Hey Guys Write Your Opinion ABOUT DUAL CITIZENSHIP IN NEPAL? WHY R we allowed to hold just one passport why not two passports? Its unfair right? If I want to get my American Passport I have to loose Nepali passport ....Hey I am sure many of u have been having this problem why dont we NRN pledge to nepali govenment about this? What do u say guys? |
| Jules | Posted
on 11-Jun-04 07:36 AM
GoOd LuCK!!! |
| LadyBug | Posted
on 11-Jun-04 09:05 AM
I am all for it Scorpiosting, Whoever is going to ANA or organizing it should press for it! it should be in their agenda as well as all the nepali american organizations. i don't see who loses anything by dual citizenship, if anything i see gains for nepal. unless i see a valid argument against it which i haven't yet. |
| AT | Posted
on 11-Jun-04 09:40 AM
http://www.anmausa.org/nrn/main.html |
| LadyBug | Posted
on 11-Jun-04 10:02 AM
Thanks AT , and nice job ANMA ...........agree with Mr. Sharda Thapa there. we need some more vocal people like him who can stand up there and spell out the pros and cons. |
| honeybuzz | Posted
on 11-Jun-04 11:58 PM
Scorpiosting, yes it's unfair. we do need to stand for it.Thanks for link AT. |
| karmapa | Posted
on 12-Jun-04 03:23 AM
Timing for this proposal is not proper right now. Firstly, many Nepalis (a significant percentage of Chepangs, Muhsars, Rautes,etc, not to mention the whole swathe of Nepali people in India-Nepal border) who have been living in Nepal and also the Bhutanese refugees of Nepali extraction do not have citizenships, period. The government has given word that the latter will be given citizenships in case the Bhutanese government refuses to take them back. Let us not forget the Nepali diaspora who have been living in Northeast India and Myanmar, for instance. If dual citizenships should be offered, first let's do the work in just order: 1) give citizenships to all Nepalis first 2) give citizenships to Bhutanese refugees (those whom the bhutanese govt refuses to talk back) Here we are talking about people who do not even have citizenships (and are 'stateless in their own native country'). Giving dual citizenships when many Nepalis do not even have citizenships at all would be unethical and morally wrong. Also it doesn't take into account the issue of equity. If ANA cares at all about about Nepal - it should champion the cause of the citizenshipless Nepalis rather than just pursue its self-serving interests. The Nepalis living in India and working in the Gulf countries have remitted more money than all those put together from America. Forget America and its neo-imperialism, some of the things proposed here by Nepali citizens (or would be American citizens of Nepali extraction) smack of the same. And yes - like I said - if we ever reach the stage where dual citizenship has to be given, let us include all the Nepali diaspora (from Brunei to Myanmar to India), and not just those living in America and Europe. The country is already divided, and let us not propose something that will divide it even more. Overall, I really don't approve of the idea of dual citizenship. |
| karmapa | Posted
on 12-Jun-04 03:29 AM
About this dual citizenship issue, like my friend put it: Mukh ma dalna gheeu chhaina, muji ma dalne gheeu khojcha. Mukh ma dalna gheeu chhaina [with reference to citizenship less Nepalis], muji ma dalne gheeu khojchha [with reference to some of the guys who are proposing dual citizenship for themselves above]. karmapa |
| Drona | Posted
on 12-Jun-04 07:34 AM
Karmapa, you seem to posses the conservative/orthodox/wretched mentality that has victimised the non-buddhist minoroties in Bhutan. The perpetrators need to be broad-minded and think holistically for all human beings. Here, the question is about Nepalese citizens being allowed to retain Nepalese citizenship when they obtain citizenship of another country. It is not the question of allowing other country's citizens to obtain Nepalese citizenship. So, with the above argument you have done "Sujhi na bujhi hagan gaundi puji" . |
| TilKumari_Ko_Poi | Posted
on 12-Jun-04 02:39 PM
Around 20000 Nepalese in Hong Kong already hold dual citizenship .I am talking about british subjects here that include myself .we hold both Nepalese passport and British Passport .You think Nepali Immigration is that brilliant to know whether you hold foreign passport or not ?? This discussion is going more about "sujhi ,bujhi and muji "rather than dual citizenship.Anyway "Bujhney ley bujhi khancha ,nabhujney ley Muji khancha " ;) |
| karmapa | Posted
on 13-Jun-04 09:40 PM
Drona, You are going a little overboard, but that's fine. If you think you are broadminded and speaking for all humans, I must say you make me laugh. Well the American citizenship oath requires you to renounce your own country - why should the Nepali govt allow you to retain Nepali citizenship when you renounce it in oath? You think this oath is a joke? Are you a joker?Taking the oath has consequences. Well if you do not believe in the oath, you are just an opportunist, pursuing your self-serving intersts like others. And you are charging me with "not being broadminded and speaking for all humans." Drona, I can see right through your mask!!! My question to you is: what makes the Nepalis living in America so special that the govt should allow them to retain Nepali citizenship when the American citizen oath asks you to renounce your country. I hope I do not have to spell out the OATH for you. And oh about the Bhutanese minorities, well Droina, tell me what your point of view is on the whole matter? Let me know how well you care for the Bhutanese minorities. Quite frankly I don't see how taking the American Citizenship Oath is going to help the Bhutanese minorities either. Karmapa |
| honeybuzz | Posted
on 14-Jun-04 03:27 AM
All Nepali are special for nepali gov.where ever they live?? that's what i think may be i am wrong. |
| karmapa | Posted
on 14-Jun-04 04:23 AM
Yes all Nepalis are. But not when you take the American citizenship oath and renounce your country - which is a kick in the face of Mother Nepal. Pls visit the American citizenship oath, which asks would-be American citizens to eseentially "severe their allegiance to their native country" - which is what I mean by the kick in the face. The Nepali govt has no business granting retention of Nepali citizenship to the people who have opted for the American citizenship (or want to) under such oath. What is shameful is that none of the proposals above even hints at all-inclusiveness. It doesn't even hint at the Nepali diaspora of Myanmar, North East India, etc. As if American-dwelling wallahs are superior to others, which really smacks of the narrow-mindedness and hubris which characterise the Bushies. Wear a mask and your face grows to fit it, as a wise man put it. Hinting at calling on the ANA to advocate this is an indication of this. It should be all Nepali diaspora or none proposition, so that there are no double standards. Frankly, the Nepali govt is better off listening to the peoples within its own borders, and stop listening to those who only want concessions. In the meantime, you guys should work on lobbying the US government to change the wording of the Oath at the very least. Good luck with that. No malice intended but I happen to feel strongly about this issue. Just my two-cents. Best, Karmapa |
| JavaBeans | Posted
on 14-Jun-04 05:57 AM
With all due respect, it's unfortunate that your views are backward-laden in terms of dual citizenship. As previously mentioned, this thread is more about 'why doesn't Nepal allow dual citizenship?' rather than 'why Nepal does not issue a countryless individual a Nepali citizenship?' as you've instigated. I hope you acknowledge the difference. The original poster rightfully put forth the question of dual citizenship between the US and Nepal ONLY because this person happens to be applying for American citizenship. That does not mean he/she is promoting favortism to only this set of dual citizenship; I am sure the poster will agree that once Nepali dual citizenship law is passed it will be applicable to the nepali diaspora of any and all region. Taking the American citizenship oath does mean renouncing your former country of citizenship, however it does not in ANY WAY hinder you from keeping your former country's citizenship if that country allows you to keep it once you have become an American citizen. See here for the current law about American dual citizenships: http://www.richw.org/dualcit/law.html I am not convinced as to your argument that just because the Americans make one take an oath renouncing one's former citizenship should be enough reason for the Nepali government to not issue dual citizenship. Egotistic nature aside, I emphatically disagree with this. Much of the studies done thus far has actually benefitted both the countries in terms economics and what have you. Most of the leading industrial nations, i.e. South Korea, UK, Australia, Canada, US, Italy all allow dual citizenships. India recently followed the trend. Here is an exerpt from one of the articles below which I thought was quite an invigorating statement. http://www.ailf.org/pubed/pe_articles_n070702a.htm --------- Bhailal Patel, president of the Chicago-based National Federation of Indian-American Associations, said those competing pressures caused resistance in the 1970s when he pitched dual citizenship to Morarji Desai, then prime minister of India. Patel said Desai told him: "Remember, no man can serve two masters." Patel replied: "Yes, but when a child has two parents, he loves both his mother and father." ---------- To those of you interested in the whole dual citizenship process, this is an excellent site to visit: http://www.richw.org/dualcit/ BTW Karampa, you might like Australia's citizenship oath since it does not ask you to renounce your former country: http://www.citizenship.gov.au/ceremonies.htm#affirmation Cheers, -JBean |
| MillionDollars | Posted
on 14-Jun-04 06:04 AM
No. I disagree... Who needs the citizenship of one of the poorest countries in the world. The sooner you lose it, the better it is... ;-) |
| JavaBeans | Posted
on 14-Jun-04 06:58 AM
Most probably because some of us are not like those capitalist pigs who abandon the very place which helped them to get to the greener side of the fence. Some of us have so called loyalty and fondness to the motherland no matter how torn apart the country maybe. If you were born in Nepali soil, how would you like the Nepali government treating you like a foreigner? This, my friend, will not only lead you to culture trauma, but loss of your identity in many facets of the word, which is beyond the scope of this thread... -JBean |
| Drona | Posted
on 14-Jun-04 06:25 PM
Karmapa, there you go. You are spiling out the beans. You made those comments with a wicked heart. I am not here to foolishly argue with you. Forget I wrote anything agaist you and please try not to say anything to me. I am making this request because you do not match my quality of thinking. |
| Rekha | Posted
on 15-Jun-04 09:55 AM
Even if you don't have a nepali passport you can still go there and stay there for certain amount of time. I think you can be out of country (US) for about six month in a year. I don't know about you guys but that's plenty of time for me to go and visit nepal once in a while. On top of that you don't have to lose nepali passport, it's just that you won't be able to use it once you become US Citizen. Lots of Nepalese have filed for Assylum and there government doesn't want them to go back to Nepal that's why lots of nepalis I know go to INDIA and from there they go to Nepal. Well that's just my personal opinion, sorry if I have offended anyone. Peace Out...................... |