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| dumdum |
Posted
on 02-Sep-01 02:21 PM
First book on Royal Massacre. See
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=1551700961
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| Ratatatata... |
Posted
on 02-Sep-01 02:45 PM
Nepal made famous again, and now through books is fine. But have you ever wondered how much we've lost to bank on incidents that have occured in out own country? A book on Royal Massacre is now being launched by an Indian journalist. What have the Nepalis been upto? Still spreading the conspiracy theory, I believe.
Anyway going by the coverage of Indian TV channels and papers during the Massacre, I don't think I would exactly like to read the Indian authored book at all. I wouldn't be surprized if the book goes on feeding the readers of the ISI theory again.
Furthermore, the author seems to have pointed out the mistake of translating "sudden" to "accidental". Well, have we forgotten the "misleading news" on Zee TV's part who went on translating Babu Ram Bhattarai's article as saying that King Gyanendra had conspired with "Pakistan's ISI"???? Going by the actual translations, Babu Ram clearly hints at India's RAW instead.
Star TV wasn't doing so well either. I think one of Rupa Joshy's article on Nepali Times clearly explains that. Rest I leave upto others to comment.
Bhatatatata...
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| bookworm |
Posted
on 03-Sep-01 12:33 PM
if i am not mistaken and going by the nepali statement of king gyanendra (then realm) during the massacre, the realm did mean to say "accidental" in his address to the nation rather than "sudden" when he mentioned "aakasmik" discharge of fire. so going by the timesof india news pasted on this board, i feel that neelesh misra is just trying to hype the contents of his book. nothing surprizing from an indian journo as ratatata has pointed out.
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| Pramod |
Posted
on 06-Sep-01 08:37 PM
I wonder how Neelesh Mishra got the information regarding the massacre. The incident was witnessed by Royal family members only, and even the ADCs were not at the incident for some time. The ADCs did open the mouth or did the royals opened the mouth? Let us not get bothered with this much, we lost much with act of either royal (if Deependra is the killer) and lack of proper safety measure, let us think of our problem whether Nepal remains monarchy or republican.
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| Neelesh Misra |
Posted
on 10-Sep-01 01:10 PM
Hi All,
This is Neelesh Misra, author of "End of the Line," the first book on the Nepal massacre (published by Penguin). I am also one of the four South Asia correspondents of The Associated Press, the world's largest news agency, based in New Delhi.
No, the book does not peddle any conspiracy theory. It does not back what RAW, or other vested interest, might have tried to circulate in the difficult and testing times for Nepal. It is based on my monthlong research, over 100 interviews, and completely unbiased coverage.
I share with you the anger about some of the horrible reporting of the event, and of previous events like the hijacking, in Indian media. At the same time, I feel it will not be fair to make a sweeping generalisation.
Please send me any doubts/questions you might have or any comments.
Warm regards to all,
Neelesh Misra
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| Mahesh |
Posted
on 10-Sep-01 02:46 PM
Mr Misra
The accuracy of your Book will totally depend upon the source of your information. If your source was not from the insiders from the palace then I would not weigh much on it. KTM is not only the capital of Nepal but also of all its rumors. Personally I have not read your book. But I would not hold weight in your story cause nobody knows what exactly happened. We have heard so many different versions,that its hard to describe what is waht. I think its going to be one of those stories like JFK asassination...nobody knows what really happened. But I see that you didn't skip a beat to capitalise on this tragic situation.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 10-Sep-01 03:47 PM
Dear Neeleshji:
Like Maheshji, I haven't read your book yet.
As you are well aware that most of the journalists from India have done enough
to damage Nepali reputation in India, not to mention accuse Nepal of harboring
terrorists and encouraging apparatchiks in South block to impose hard stance
against us, you can understand why your book is taken cautiously even before
reading it by many of Nepalese.
While journalism in India is a fully developed institution, many Nepalese still see
the journalists from India working in Nepal as the pawns of imperialist regime. I
think it is very unfortunate, but as a worldly-wise journalist, you surely
understand this.
Finally, I thank you for coming here, and interacting with us, since this will surely
clear a lot of misunderstanding between us. Also, best luck to your new book, and
I am looking forward to reading your book in the near future.
Have a good day.
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 10-Sep-01 04:15 PM
How do we know if this person Neelesh Misra is the one who he says he is. We got all kinds of people here Ganesh Man, Girija, KP Bhattrai, Surya Bahadur posting views on this site. Do we know for sure that this Neelesh Misra is the author of Royal Massacre book?
sparsha
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| il.comNeelesh Misra |
Posted
on 14-Sep-01 09:17 AM
Hi All,
Thank you for your comments on my book. I understand that there is suspicion, doubt, and a host of other feelings about the coverage of the royal tragedy, and other news events in Nepal, by the Indian media -- and that aversion will spill over into the reaction to the book.
Some of you have raised doubts about my sources. Let me clarify that they include: palace insiders, royal family relatives, eyewitnesses, closest friends of the then-crown prince, and close relatives of Devyani Rana. I tried to cross-check every fact before writing. I approached a lot of people -- including the ADCs of Crown Prince Dipendra -- and succeeded in getting about 100 interviews. This did not include the ADCs, who I spoke to several times but they finally declined to be interviewed.
I spent a total of one month in Kathmandu researching.
I will try to answer your other doubts in subsequent messages.
Regards
Neelesh
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| Neelesh Misra |
Posted
on 14-Sep-01 09:21 AM
Hi,
I just wanted to say: Yes, This is Neelesh Misra. I learnt about this web site from a journalist friend in Nepal and she said there were comments on the book on the site. Out of curiosity, I visited the site.
cheers
Neelesh
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| Neelesh Misra |
Posted
on 14-Sep-01 09:36 AM
Dear Biswo ji,
Thanks for your nice words.
This Neelesh Misra, author of the Penguin book on the Nepal massacre.
Let me share thoughts about all this: India-Nepal relations, journalists, etc. Perhaps some of you might want to brainstorm on this.
One, I think the attitude of a lot of Indians toward Nepal is appaling. I dont know how many of you know this, but Sahib Singh Varma, the former chief minister of New Delhi, went there last year to speak on Indo-Nepal relations, and started his speech by saying that he was constantly in interaction with Nepalese people: his cook, his driver and his doorman!! That sort of horrible, horrible insensitivity is just too gross and unforgivable. And the sad part is that the ignorant politician might
have thought that he was saying something very laudatory!!
So the attitude of many Indians is to take Nepal for granted and to often derogate it. At the same time, look at it from the point of view of an unsophisticated Indian tourist who goes to Nepal: his (Indian) currency works there, his language is understood there, he gets all familiar products there, and finally begins to seem to him a much more familiar state than many in India's northeast!! The result of this familiarity is that many Indians start regarding Nepal as an extension of India.
I would have been happy, for example, if the Indian currency was not valid in Nepal -- it would gve Indians the sens eof being in a foreign country.
India needs to remain friends with Nepal, strategically, as a trusted neighbour, and due to its close cultural and religious links. So it has to give up this big brother attitude.
However, on the part of Nepal, I think there is an inferiority complex - which is completely unjustified -- but it forces the Nepalese people to suspect and distrust everything Indian. Put harshly, the situation is this: Nepal cannot do without India, and it cannot do with India. Thousands of Nepalese youth are educated in India and work there. Yet, they dislike India. There has to be a root cause behind this. I would like to know what.
This is just my rambling. I would be happy to share more of my perspectives so that there could perhaps be a better understanding of Indian and Nepalese concerns over several sensitive issues.
Warm regards to all,
Neelesh
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| Neelesh Misra |
Posted
on 14-Sep-01 09:36 AM
Dear Biswo ji,
Thanks for your nice words.
This Neelesh Misra, author of the Penguin book on the Nepal massacre.
Let me share thoughts about all this: India-Nepal relations, journalists, etc. Perhaps some of you might want to brainstorm on this.
One, I think the attitude of a lot of Indians toward Nepal is appaling. I dont know how many of you know this, but Sahib Singh Varma, the former chief minister of New Delhi, went there last year to speak on Indo-Nepal relations, and started his speech by saying that he was constantly in interaction with Nepalese people: his cook, his driver and his doorman!! That sort of horrible, horrible insensitivity is just too gross and unforgivable. And the sad part is that the ignorant politician might
have thought that he was saying something very laudatory!!
So the attitude of many Indians is to take Nepal for granted and to often derogate it. At the same time, look at it from the point of view of an unsophisticated Indian tourist who goes to Nepal: his (Indian) currency works there, his language is understood there, he gets all familiar products there, and finally begins to seem to him a much more familiar state than many in India's northeast!! The result of this familiarity is that many Indians start regarding Nepal as an extension of India.
I would have been happy, for example, if the Indian currency was not valid in Nepal -- it would gve Indians the sens eof being in a foreign country.
India needs to remain friends with Nepal, strategically, as a trusted neighbour, and due to its close cultural and religious links. So it has to give up this big brother attitude.
However, on the part of Nepal, I think there is an inferiority complex - which is completely unjustified -- but it forces the Nepalese people to suspect and distrust everything Indian. Put harshly, the situation is this: Nepal cannot do without India, and it cannot do with India. Thousands of Nepalese youth are educated in India and work there. Yet, they dislike India. There has to be a root cause behind this. I would like to know what.
This is just my rambling. I would be happy to share more of my perspectives so that there could perhaps be a better understanding of Indian and Nepalese concerns over several sensitive issues.
Warm regards to all,
Neelesh
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Posted
on 14-Sep-01 02:39 PM
Neelesh,
So, you would like to know why there is so much ill feeling towards India even so many Nepali go to study there? Have you asked the Nepalese youth yet, maybe you don't have the time to do that. I did not study in India but many of my friends and relatives did. Most of their experience was rotten to say the least. Nepali students are taunted they are Indians, called Bahadur, and in class even some professors say Nepal belongs to India. And what do you say India's attitude towards our boarder? What is happening in Mahakali Anchal? Why are they building dams near Lumbini? And you wonder why Nepali don't like Indians. Since our politicians do not have the guts to talk to India, Nepali people take this out on innocent Indian individuals.
I have not read your book yet, but frankly I have lost my appetitie to read anything about the palace massacare anyomore. Good luck on your book.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 14-Sep-01 07:07 PM
Dear Neeleshji:
>on the part of Nepal, I think there is an inferiority complex - which is completely
>unjustified -- but it forces the Nepalese people to suspect and distrust
>everything Indian.
I think it is not necessarily inferiority complex. It is probably skepticism, sometimes
bordering on cynicism, of our population about everything India does.A lot of
times, it is justified too.
Now, let's see a recent report from India which say India has Rs 18 billion trade
deficit with Nepal. It is in the wake of a call from Indian government that Indo-
Nepalese trade treaty should be renewed. It stinks conspiracy and bullying,
frankly.I mean you have been to Nepal, and you know our market is either inundated with shoddy Indian stuffs or Chinese stuffs, while our products are
restricted from entering India(KODAK). We ride on Tata locomotives, and we drive
Splendour. This is even a year when Nepalese farmer watched helplessly while
imported cheap India grains controlled Nepalese market. What is there that Nepal
is selling to India that can outbalance these obvious imports from India?
Nepali rancour has less to do what Nepali work in India. For example, I come from
Chitwan, and I used to hire herds of Biharis and UP workers in our farms.Poor
people go where they have opportunity,and we are all poor.Also Old generation
is not that anti-Indian also. People started feeling really bad only after annexation
of Sikkim.Then came the ego of Gandhis, and incessant broadcast in Indian media
against king Birendra and his family and the subsequent economic embargo.
A lot of Indians are really nice people. It is the government and rumour loving
media that stink.It is their desire to see themselves as suzerain and Nepal as a
colonialized pliant entity that stink. It sucks when you read Indian media treating
Nepal as Taliban-style-terrorist hiding bastion.What is next in South block? US
style list of terrorist sponsoring nation, featuring Nepal in number two , only next
to Pakistan? And frankly, how much do you think is there possibility that a terrorist
from Pakistan sends terrorists and arms not from highly porous Indo-Pak border
but from fortified KTM intl airport?
If Bhutan is any example, then it is safe to say that India and Indian media have
no belief in democracy, all they want is a semi-colonialized Nepal. And we know
how dangerous such notion is.To harbour the notion that a democratic and
developed Nepal will be against Indian interest is the most unfortunate 'inferiority
complex' (may be due to China factor) of south Asia.Only a developed and
free Nepal can guarantee that Nepal will not be used against India. A cringing
cornered nation can take unpredictable course.Just look at : Afganistan, Belarus
etc.
Again Neeleshji, I know a lot of people in India disagree with Indian intolerance
towards Nepal. I welcome any move from such people towards ameliorating our
relation. I know hatred only begets hatred, and it is ,afterall, job of Indian media
themselves to erase these bad memories/impressoins about Nepal from Indian
citizens. I believe that your book and subsequent writing will contribute to good
relation between our two nations in the future. Afterall, sanity should prevail
whenever it is possible.
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| lone gun slinger |
Posted
on 15-Sep-01 01:37 PM
you have a point. where is that ego maniac ashu? how cime he hasn't come here and start talking about haavaad?
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| ashu |
Posted
on 17-Sep-01 04:05 AM
>where is that ego maniac
>ashu?
I am alive and well. Thank you.
I am touched by your missing
my presence.
> how cime he hasn't come here and
>start talking about haavaad?
Good point.
I too have wondered about that :-)
Let us now wonder together.
oohi
"using his own name; and not at all fazed by anonymous cyber-attacks"
ashu
ktm, nepal
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| Neelesh Misra |
Posted
on 18-Oct-01 12:24 PM
Hi All,
I was wondering whether any of you got the opportunity to read my book on the massacre. I am keenly awaiting your responses. The book is available in Nepal, although it will only make it to Boston if someone takes foreign rights for it at the Frankfurt book fair, I guess.
Some leading people from, including those who were players in the whole sequence of events, have written to say they liked it. But I am really keen to get feedback from the loggers at this site.
Meanwhile, I am planning a third bok relating to Nepal.
Regards to all,
Neelesh Misra
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