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| GP |
Posted
on 03-Sep-01 11:21 PM
Padma Ratna Tuladhar told Kantipur Online that everyone knew about the Maoistsf collecting donations. gIt cannot be called against law as they do not believe in the present Constitution.h
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Good Job Maoists. Kantipur Pub. has got the price of feeding
snakes with piles of biased news (in favor Maoists propaganda)
to Nepalis. Its Kantipur Publication that helped Maoists to reach
cities and towns when Maoists were in Rukum. Do not feed
milk to snake, it will not spare you just because you feed milk.
Reptiles don't have the part of brain that offers them to
express LOVE.
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| GP |
Posted
on 03-Sep-01 11:32 PM
Padma Ratna Tuladhar gIt cannot be called against law as they do not believe in the present Constitution.h
I am wondering why ? gIt cannot be called against law as they do not believe in the present Constitution.h ?
Anyone who is within the boundary of Nepal, should follow the law of Nepal.
Instead of speaking that way, it would have been understandable to me,
if PRT had said gThe Maoists don't think its against law as they do not believe in the present Constitution.h
What happened to this Thuggish Mukundodhari failed runche politician
PRT. Who believes him as human rightists.
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| kale |
Posted
on 04-Sep-01 08:33 AM
IT SEEMS THAT U CAN DO ANYTHING, ALL U HAVE TO DO IS JUST NOT BELIEVING IN CONSTITUTION. That's the stupid thing i heared from Padma Ratna.
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| upperwestside |
Posted
on 04-Sep-01 09:25 AM
Hi GP:
Your postings are consistently anti-Kantipur. I at least admire you for your consistency. Forget the merits of your arguments.
Not that Kantipur has been an unblemished institution over the years. Far from it.
But in your vitriolic attack on Kantipur - and conversely praise for Maoists - you seem to be missing an important point. If Maoists can brazenly approach the country's most influential media house, who's safe in Nepal? Do Maoists have any scruples?
I admire Kantipur for making the extortion public. I realize it has risked a lot in doing so. But someone has to stand up to the bullies. Well done, Kantipur.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 04-Sep-01 10:28 AM
Good job , Maoists?
GPJi, it is an attack against press. In such moments, we need unity to fight against the tyrrany . If A becomes happy because C is threatening B, and if B
becomes happy because C is threatening A, who will be ultimate winner?
Maoist movement needs to be known, and shouldn't be put in the dark caves of
Rolpa so that nobody knows anything about them. Politics doesn't run in mystery.
Kantipur has done good job in bringing Maoists in media limelight.
As for comment by freaks like Padma Ratna, we better neglect them. By now, it
is obvious that Padma Ratna, whose main power used to stem from the popular vote
of KTM basi, has now plunged to the abyss of unpopularity, gaining less vote than Marich Man in last election, has his power based in Maoist bullet, not
popular ballet.
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| Kill em all |
Posted
on 04-Sep-01 11:17 AM
Biswo and upperwestside -
Don't you guys know how to read? Read the GP posting carefully. Calling the Maoists snakes is hardly praising them is it? Well a few things are clear from the Maoist actions.
- Deuba was a fool to have trusted them. The talks will NEVER NEVER work. Smart strategy on the Maoists' part though. They held back the government while they consolidated and gathered strength.
- Padma Ratna Tuladhar has finally come out of the closet and proved that he is a hard core Maoist diguised as a human rights activist. Hardly surprising. Many fools out there who thought he was a champion for human rights and not a terrorist.
- Peace will not come to Nepal until a few thousand Maoists have been shot and killed in cold blood. Nepali daju bhai or not, they need to be treated like rodents and destroyed. If the human rights activists have a problem with that, eradicate them too.
I hope the army is out in full force in Kathmandu on September 21 - with blanket authority to kill.
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| upperwestside |
Posted
on 04-Sep-01 11:18 AM
Biswoji:
Padma Ratna IS a Maoist. Don't you think so? Just look back at his statments over the years. He never condemns them. There was a time during the early days of democracy when I really looked up at him as one of our better MPs.
Inside parliament, he was humble, well-prepared whenever he stood up to make comments, and seldom given to rambling, drawing the Speaker, Damannath Dhunangana to ask other lawmakers to follow his example.
As Health Minister in the UML government, he tried to be fair to every single doctor. For example, he would disappoint his relatives, and constitutents no less, whenever they asked him to exempt their service period in the district hospitals. As a matter of fact, he tried to make it mandatory. (Wonder how successful was the move and how exactly does the system work?)
He also carried out very well-financed health camps in outlying districts to help the poor. Many have said UML was pandering to his vote bank. But then isn't that what democracy is all about as along as you play by the rules of the game?
Thousands of villagers, who were carryiny chronic diseases and didn't even dream of getting specialized healthcare, benefited from these free clinics run by many of the country's leading doctors.
But he has subquently gone into political oblivion. If it were not for his leeway with Maoists, he would be dumped into the dustbin of history by now. But as they say democracy is a costly affair; and poltical freaks (now that he was become one) like him, like it or not, are by-products of this great system.
I can't look up at someone who stops short of condemning violence. Even someone as impressive as Padma Ratna during the early days of his political career.
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| GP |
Posted
on 04-Sep-01 11:23 AM
Dear UpperWestSide,
I was not happy with what Maoists are doing with Kantipur Pubs.,
but, I was frustrated with Kantipur and Maoists. Kantipur always
(in its Opinion sections) always portrayed Maoists in better way
than they really deserved. Finally, the snake did not excuse
just because they feed milk (news propaganda) in its favor,
and finally, they got bite. I am quite sure in addition of their
brave act of making it public, no one is going to help them. What I
mean is that if Kantipur who helped Maoists to come to lime light
are also now victim of Maoists, who will be left out at the end?
Only, the Polpot of Nepali Maoists will be enjoying at the end.
Lets not forget that in Cambodia the relatives of communist
warriers on village were killed by warriers of another village
and vice versa. Finally, they ended up killing each other, and
same thing has happened. Lets forget the peoples who are
confused at the middle of this battle. As UML leaders always
said that "don't chase our party workers", they never used
"don't torture peoples irrespective of their political faith",
unfortuantely, only this week I am fortunate to hear the
sentence, when UML is now feeling unsecured just the way
Kantipur Publication is found in graveyard.
My C++ book (just a beginner) also wrote the well known
proverb "divide and conquer", and I found a little later
another suggestion "don't miss the communication while partitioning the
division", and this "don't miss the communication while partitioning the
division" suggestion was for better programming, but, Maoists
have used it oppositely, "divide them" and don't let them
having cross communication, and break their lateral communication
too". Finally, they were able to conquer, both Kantipur Pub.
and UML. Excuse me for using analogy to prove my idea, because
the book taught me first time that "prove by analogy is a fraud",
but, I am a pro. working in mechanics for several years, where
prove by analogy is a preliminary requirement in initiating a
new idea.
In this "divide and conquer" and "while dividing break all lateral
communication too" applications, we have lost 6years, but, to
return back to those 6 years we will need how many years?
This can be experienced from Cambodia where Polpot ruled
for not many years, but, the scar did not erased for so many years
even after generations.
In Sept. 21, no one should be surprised that the huge gathering Maoists
(who will silently bring all sorts of weapons) and finally, the mob will
move towards Royal Palace, as it happened in 2046, and they will
try to enter inside Narayan hiti royal palace. Even if the Maosits have
not thought this end, but, situation will develop at the time, as it
developed in 2046, but, this time the number of unemployed youths
willing to die will be more than that was in 2046, and Army will not be
able to control them at Durbar Marg and the disaster can be imagined
at this moment. How many will be killed by RNA? The grand plan to
turn KTM to blood pond is going to happen, that was created because
foolishness of biased news and biased statements by leading news
paper and leading political party like UML. In this divide and conquer
principle, Maoists are seen to be winner and all those who participated
to smash rivals head are now watching the snake on their own head.
Its the fact. Countdown the Sept. 21, that will be end of achievements of
2046, i.e. freedom of speech. Its just 16days for me, probably 17days
for you living in north america and europe. Jai Nepal.
For minor grammar mistakes please make your judgements. Don't read
beyond what is meant in the context of this topic.
GP
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 04-Sep-01 12:00 PM
In my observation, GP didn't praise Maoists. Clearly, he has no high regards for Kantipur for taking soft stance on Maobadis. I am fine with that. Now, what I would like to know is whether Kantipur will adhere or ignore the Maoists.
I always kept this opinoion that Maoists should not be spared. They have killed more than 1,800 Nepalis in the name of so called revolution. The majority of the killed ones are poor people not the influential (social, economic or political) ones. If A kills B in cold blood in Nepal then systems delivers life imprisonment to A. It's defined as the rule of law. Maoists killed more than 1,800 people and the system talks about amnesty? amnesty for what? System should teach the Maobadis in their own language..destruction. If sys. downs 100 Maobaids, 1000 Maobadis will beg not to labelled as maobadi. Moral is the most powerful weapon in any struggle, I beleive. If moral sinks warriors disappear. RNA should be ready for Sept. 21.
Regarding Padma Ratna's comment: This guy's gone insane. I don not want to waste my time talking about a lunatic's words.
sparsha
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| GP |
Posted
on 04-Sep-01 12:06 PM
Maoists told (ref.KantipurPub?) that they have 2000 red army, and vowed
to fight with Indian Army in Kalapani. Are Prachanda and BRB trying to hold
Nepal with 2000 raw army holding old styled Banduk? Well, you can kill
illeterate and untrained police, but, should not dream of fighting with
Indian Army. It will be good move on their part, because RNA will not have
to touch the Nepali Red Army. We should not forget that
the biggest mistake of Japanese during second world war (1941?) was
to attack Pearl harbor in Hawai and make America angry & involve USA
in the War, finally, getting the return of Nuclear Bomb in Hiroshima and
Nagasaki. In the peace memorial museum in Hiroshima, the Japanese
were about to surrender, America knew it, but, bombed in Hiroshima
and Nagasaki, there were three reasons on one wall poster:
1. USA wanted to test Nuclear bomb. = If NRA attacks IA, they,
will use their fighter planes to test their ability in mountains.
2. USA wanted to stop the war = India also wants to stop the
propogation of Nepal style communist fighting in India, as
Prachanda is now enjoying Indian RA protection.
3. USA wanted to control Japan, because Russia was coming from
North, and they hurried up to control Japan, NB was the easiest and
fastest way. ==== Kalapani may be a good root to enter to Nepal
and Prachanda was used by RAW (who knows the truth) to control
Nepal by India. The fighting issue might be created under RAW's
influence. Lets not forget that the Russian spy reaching to top
position in Germany, worked for 29years producing even kids
to help KGB and make peoples of the country believe that she
was not an agent.
Anyway, 2000 NRA can be sacrificed like IG sacrificed 1000 naxalites
in one dark night. RNA most be working in this area. Probably, both
NRA and RNA are waiting for the end of monsoon. Meanwhile, did
any one heard maoists commenting on RNA's claim that Maoists
requested for safe passage and announced cease fire in Holleri,
the peace talk was result of the Holleri encounter. I believe in
RNA. RNA is pride of Nepal. Hey do something for citizens.
GP
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| GameBoy |
Posted
on 04-Sep-01 02:26 PM
But how come there are so many maoist supporter?
How can our fellow nepalese people be so stupid to support a terrorist group? and go out there and vandalize and kill innocent for those devil leaders? It is really strange..
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| bhainsi |
Posted
on 04-Sep-01 04:28 PM
No one is supporting them man. They are forcing people into their ideologies. When the security of your family is threatened, there is not much you can do. These Maoists are getting away with too much. And if you notice Ktm post editorials in the last few weeks, they have been extremely critical of the maoists, nowithstanding their past leniency.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 04-Sep-01 06:16 PM
Upperwestsideji:
I don't know what Mr Tuladhar ji is. He seems like a person who hasn't defined
himself yet,and who is himself confused about his conviction.
There was a thread about Padma Ratna I wrote after release of Dinesh Sharma.
Here is a link to the thread (in gbnc), which I guess will be relevant even now:
http://www.gbnc.org/forum/cfm/openthread.cfm#524
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 04-Sep-01 06:25 PM
Sorry: Use this link:
http://www.gbnc.org/FORUM/CFM/OpenThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=204
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| GameBoy |
Posted
on 04-Sep-01 07:30 PM
That's an interesting comparison, GP..
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| GP |
Posted
on 04-Sep-01 08:52 PM
If you read the TKP dated Sept. 03/04, 2001, you will find one
news report where two youngs were quoted. They said they had
to get in to the vehicle to attend the mass meeting in Nepalgunj(?),
and they were forced because the Maoists threatened to
burn their house if they don't so. The two youths returned home
as early as they got off from the vehicle around the venue.
This is the tactic they are using. If you read another article on TKP,
you will find the Maoists leader in NG were telling they are going
trim all those who are on opposite side of their political fence, i.e.
all non-communists.
Sept. 21 will be either end of Maoists or HMG/Nepal (if Royal
family are forced to leave Durbar, based on scenario outlined
in my previous posting), there will be no HMG/Nepal but only G/Nepal.
King Gyanendra must be aware of this possibility. If Sept. 21 turns
or tries to be turn as Maoists expects, then, it will be great chance for
King Gyanendra to take a bold move. The peoples on opposite side
of Maoists will be forced to accept King Gyane..'s move, and if
King wins in this move, the sole benefit will go to Prince Paras
who will be promoted to Sahajyada to Rajkumar, exploiting the
win over Maoists. At that time, peoples will excuse Paras because
of his Fathers achievments. Do you disagree? This is just my
wishes, If then else if end. "eso....bheee....uso bheee... bhe
bhe is not enough, but, lets what bhe.. will come to reality".
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| Just that! |
Posted
on 05-Sep-01 06:32 AM
Just that they didn't any harm at all. Great Maoists! thanks for ur kindness.
But wondering, these animals supposed to be taken to construction Sites of the remote villages. Understand U Indian Dalaal Congessi. All of u Congressi"animals" Deserve that.
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| BangBang |
Posted
on 05-Sep-01 06:53 AM
Bro.,
Gyawali of Kantipur Publication is not Congress Supporter,
neither he has faith on Kangressi, thats why he was the one who
was strongly helping UML to bring Girija out of PM's chair.
FYI, most of the educated Gyawalis from Gulmi are UML supporters,
so were Maoist sympathizer. You enjoy today for attack on
Kangressi or Kantipur Publication, tomorrow, you will run behind
us that Maoists are turning towards you just for nothing damage
you had done to them, but, just because you had some other
business that made you unable to support them physically
or monetorily. Enjoy it. The days are not far. You will not be
chased by your relative maoists, but, maoists from other
village will be chasing you.
Bang! Bang!! Bang!!!
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| upperwestside |
Posted
on 05-Sep-01 10:00 AM
Dear Biswoji:
Enjoyed your write-up on Padma Ratna Tuladhar.
With all his ills, first I would still want to give the devil his due for some goods he's delivered in the past. Two, I will praise him whole-heartedly should he be able to convince Maoists not to give up the current negotiations, and bargain for their demands across the table.
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