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| NThuene |
Posted
on 14-Sep-01 10:57 AM
This is also the country that trampled on the natives, eliminated them, herded them from east to west like cattles to make way for their “ideals.” How many of them are left now from the direct result of this? This is also the country that champions a “new world order” of capitalism, individualism, and democracy that should (they think) be the way of life for everyone every where. This is the country that brought up the concept of globalization when they want to exploit other have-not countries. They shall produce for Americans to consume, They shall be paid what the American masters think is “right.” Without any responsibility this country wants to trumpet being the Number One. They are millions and millions of people are left behind yet America is getting richer and stronger. America thought it was invincible but, if you are a 2-ton elephant roaming around eating any grass comes on the way then others notice and RESENT.
When the massacare happened in the Narayanhiti people were all saying what a great king Birendrea was. Marya goruko ankhair thulo, don’t we Nepali say that? So far 5 thousand killed, the symbol of Triumphant Capitlaism is in rubbles and Americans are talking WAR. I really believe it is going to happen. But look around. How many Sudanese people were killed and how many children were made walk in the alligator infested water? How many perished? How many African children are made slaves? How many Africans are dying? How many Rawandans got killed? How many Bosnians? This kind of terrorism is the daily reality of Israelies (sp) and Palestinians.
USA pushed and pushed its agenda without pausing. A lot of countries/pepole resent America for what it has and how far it is from these countries reach. And the arrogance? Unless USA does not change its ways how it wants to treat other countries (either their econonmic colonies or country with different values), we should expect this kind of terrorism again and again. Well, maybe not again and again. Tomorrow USA could declare “full military engagement” against Afganistan and we may not be alive to see the end result. As we know Afganistan is already asking for support from other Islamic country. So, will it be Islam VS. Non-Islamic country? Collin Powel says either you are with us or not with us. There is no middle ground. Looks like people better choose sides fast or perish.
RE: Canandain Letter posted by Ashu and Sparsha (I am not sayin how many I got in my mail box)
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| Duh! |
Posted
on 14-Sep-01 01:13 PM
What are you saying ? why such hostility towards the US govt. ? are you trying to bite the hand that feeds you ? If an Indian terrorist hijacks a nepalese plane and blasta a nepalese monument, will you still be preaching your current mantra ?
Be careful in what you say. Islamic countries are not supporting the bombers. only the fanatic ones. and there are fanantics everywhere. We have the Mao's in Nepal. Militia in us. sikh and tamils extremists in India. Ira in England. Zapatista in Mexico etc etc These people do not represent the countries they come from nor do they represent the religions they belong to.
I still don't get the point of your posting. confused!!!!!! DUh!!!
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| Nthuene |
Posted
on 14-Sep-01 01:35 PM
do you want me to sing America ho Allah all the time because i happen to live her? I am talking about having a perspective. that is all. Atrocity happens. but why , what is magnitude and so on... rest make up your own mind. what you think. For now at least that is what I think. don't agree with me? that is fine. No problem there.
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| sunakhari |
Posted
on 14-Sep-01 01:56 PM
Namita,
There is a time and place for everything. Even for self-proclaimed intelligent beings.
Lives were lost here, not that lives were not lost elsewhere due to some government's atrocities. BUT, when it happens to a land where you have decided to earn your keep and make it your country BY CHOICE for whatever period, there is something to be said of such people who bite the hands that feed.
I must agree with DUH....what was your point?
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| Paakhe |
Posted
on 14-Sep-01 01:59 PM
look http://www.emperors-clothes.com
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| Sangey |
Posted
on 14-Sep-01 03:15 PM
Namita,
Look, if you don't like the US, GET OUT!!!
Intellectual constructive criticism is one thing, but how dare you taunt and bitch during this time of mourning? You seem to be no better than that middle-aged Palestinian woman who appeared in CNN wearing a black garb, dancing and wagging her tongue, celebrating the disaster in New York.
I am so disgusted by you.
Sangey.
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| Sangey II |
Posted
on 14-Sep-01 03:24 PM
Hey Sangey,
This is your father talking. If you like America so much why don't you lick their ass then, huh? Are you ready to do that? Then join me. After all you and I are related. I will invite Sunakhari too. Ready? one two, three - go! Lick! ummmm.
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| nobody |
Posted
on 14-Sep-01 03:29 PM
I gotta start attending the GBNC get-togethers just to get to see her. Anything US is bad, nobody should discuss anything bad about Nepal. Biralole guhu chhope jasto... And yet: "I wanna live in US because this place holds more promise and security and the money is definitely greener." Don't expect anyone to respect you or your culture when you aren't. Ask yourself aren't capitalism, individualism, and democracy the reasons you're here?
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| I Need 2 Know |
Posted
on 14-Sep-01 03:44 PM
By the way who is this Namita? I don't live in Boston and everywhere in this bulletin board people talk about her/him. Can some describe her/him to me? What does this person do? A resident of Boston? Married ?
Thanks :)
I Need 2 Know
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| Duh! |
Posted
on 14-Sep-01 03:45 PM
SangeyII
This is no time to joke around. A lot of people died here. This is a serious, people are trying to mourn here. We would all appreciate if you keep your smart comments to yourself. This is no time to monkey around.
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| nobody |
Posted
on 14-Sep-01 03:47 PM
and didn't i read some time back about somebody's trip that glorified new york and US and by the same person too... is it just write for the sake of writing? no conviction?
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| nobody |
Posted
on 14-Sep-01 04:11 PM
Nobody :-) orders around here.
If anybody's in your way, please walk around us. As far as the "strong opinions" go, please explain the coherency of the posting above and the new york article.
And don't try to faze us with anger, not in person, not in writing. Nobody's here to be appeased, but nobodys' here to listen to racial slurs either.
And we'll decide the "controversial" part while you're complimenting yourself...
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| Manjari |
Posted
on 14-Sep-01 04:13 PM
I think Namita has a point and I think I got her point. Yes, America has a way of acting as the big bully pushing their ideas of ‘what the world should be like’ down the throats of other countries with threats of withdrawal of US funds incase of rejection. Yes indeed, the US has helped a lot of countries around the world…in times of need. And in return of that generosity, many governments in those countries have become puppets in the hands of the US govt. The US has been pimping the so called "third world" countries. But a pimp is better than a murderer.
And again, it is this very idea of democracy and individualism of this society which allows Namita to freely express what she feels (which I believe some of you have not understood properly otherwise you would’ve contended with more respect).
However, I do agree with sunakhari. There is a time and place for everything.
Emotions are still pretty raw..and people are still in shock. No place, no country deserves this kind of incident.
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| COOK |
Posted
on 14-Sep-01 04:25 PM
I see that lots of people here making personal judgements on people and berating them on their ideas. Isn't a discussion forum like this meant to express one's ideas and beliefs? If Namita expresses what she feels like, it doesn't make sense for some of you to tell her to leave the US. If you disagree with her ideas then why don't you give your own ideas and get a discussion going. Don't act like losers and replace the spirit of a healthy discussion by moronic self-righteous statements.
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| sunakhari |
Posted
on 14-Sep-01 05:00 PM
Namita,
Just like you have written your POVs, mine was solely a POV as well.
It has nothing to do with your being a women (which in itself is a ridiculous idea to me as I am also of the same gender). I'm glad to know you are opinionated so are a few of us. Therefore, it was not a personal attack at all - just an opinion.
Like you I do have links to the western world and therefore feel that I do not have to adhere to some of OUR society's atrocities (some of our nepalese males' outrageous comments). But, I don't feel the need to tell anybody to get out of my way. :).
I do agree with your future plan though :). (My favorite flower is a sunakhari :).
Somehow not all of us have learnt to respect people's privacy and personal lives. And until then, I shall remain an orchid.
BUT - Hats off to you for coming out! LOL
a la tien!
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 14-Sep-01 06:31 PM
I think it is paradoxical that Namita who uses her own name to post what she thinks
is asked by UNNAMED posters to reveal her identity.
Here is a lady who characterizes the strength of ladies, who defies the wimpy
version of girl of most of our macho-men Nepalese and who has resolve to express
herself and her ideas unwaveringly.If my understandning of Namita is correct, she
doesn't get unfazed by these frivolous potshots and inquisitives innuendos about
her personal life.
I know a lot of unnamed posters post creative stuffs here, so I don't want to
generalize them. I am also sure that along with the time, most of our posters here
will be posting wholesome articles here. But just as you have your freedom to
reveal your identity, you also have some responsibility associated with this right.
That targets can not be earned by associating oneself with the frivolous and
feckless postings.
I think it is appropriate to quote a part of poem from Namita herself here.This is
from Suskera (@suskera.com!) recent issue, and think about her emensurable
courage ironically couched with the words like 'shiver', 'shaking off' etc etc., and
well, enjoy little bit her works here, dudes.
...
I shivered in the cold evening mist,
Dripping off from the old tree.
My tree house and my friends Jimmy, John and Mara,
And my mother all gone.
Except,
He, the frail man in his stained chair,
Facing nothing but the faded pictures,
And his failing memories.
The big house, the tree, all the vestibules
of all the traces of memories,
I left all behind one more time,
Shaking off the evening dew.
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| Nobody |
Posted
on 17-Sep-01 11:16 PM
>I think it is paradoxical that Namita who uses her own name to post what she thinks
>is asked by UNNAMED posters to reveal her identity.
Nobody's interested in her identity... The statement "... just to see her" is not a request to reveal her identity. It's just an expression of surprise at the content of the posting, correctly analyzed in "A Replay to Namita". And if it is interpreted as a challenge to show one's identity, then it cannot be helped. And does it even matter what name is used... Are the names so unique that everybody can be identified by just the name?
>Here is a lady who characterizes the strength of ladies, who defies the wimpy
>version of girl of most of our macho-men Nepalese and who has resolve to express
>herself and her ideas unwaveringly.If my understandning of Namita is correct, she
>doesn't get unfazed by these frivolous potshots and inquisitives innuendos about
her personal life.
How long are we going to use this excuse of male-domination? It's not there in llot of educated community (and if you're reading this you probably belong to one)within Nepal and it's not present here in US. Most of us are least interested in and respect the personal life of of others. And who is to say that the posting couldn't have been authored by a female? Why the assumption that it is male? Isn't that another instance of MCP?
>I know a lot of unnamed posters post creative stuffs here, so I don't want to
>generalize them. I am also sure that along with the time, most of our posters here
>will be posting wholesome articles here. But just as you have your freedom to
>reveal your identity, you also have some responsibility associated with this right.
>That targets can not be earned by associating oneself with the frivolous and
feckless postings.
Since a lot of people here seem to respect "ashu"'s posting, maybe it should be pointed that most of the anonymous postings had the same thoughts. Maybe not as eloquent, but same thoughts all the same in some of those "frivolous and
feckless postings". Point is it's not just anonymous "thinking". The freedom to disagree is as real as the freedom to reveal one's identity. And there is also some responsibility associated with the right to voice one's opinion. And one of the responsibilities might be not trampling someone else's sensibilities, other might be keeping the racial/ethnic slurs to oneself. If we can harbor such feelings about the people who have intended no harm to us and given us the same opportunity as anybody else, the hate crimes that we read about are definitely more reasonable. I am by no means saying what is happening is correct. It is wrong and and the anger should be directed towards those responsible.
Maybe someday I'll read why does Nepal deserve Maoist terrorism somewhere in this "Kurakani"... I can even see the parallel, the Maoists envy middle-class and well-to-do class, and so all barbaric actions against them are appropriate... And Maoists don't want to rise on their own achievments, so why not drag everybody down and let them suffer...
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| akt |
Posted
on 18-Sep-01 12:45 AM
okay. it is ridiculous that folks are spending all their time and energy discussing the person who posted the messgae rather than the message itself. typical. get a life, people.
and for namita, please telll me that you are not blaming the victim. how differnet are you from falwell and robertson? they claim that it is the abortionist, pagans and homosexuals who have driven away god from natioanl life and secularized the country and therefore god did not "protect" america. what are YOU saying different? just that the reason the twin towers and the pentagon were blasted and over 5000 murdered senselessly are due to some "karmic" force brought on by all the 'evil" that America as a state has committedin the past? how different is that from what the bigots' and fanatics's arguements ? you, the falwell/robertson duo, and even the murdering fanatics seem to be saying that america reaped what it sowed.
horse shit.
if one is to follow your arguement it would lead to the conclusion that somehow the individuals who got blown to bits on sept 11 somehow deserved what they got? by the way, there were many non-americans (not dual passport holding privilged folks either) amongst the dead.... poor folks who got up every day to earn a living for their family. who cleaned, cooked, served and went into burngin buildigns to save pople when they knew well and good that they woudl pobably die. these folks had nothign to do with the "system", the "new world order" and america's decadence you claim is the reason the "world" resents america for.
I am not arguign that this country has not doen some heinous thigns in the past... the american Indians, slavery, even what happend to that sheik guy in texas, or was it ariz. couple of days ago. But get real. Rawanda and Bosnia and Somalia and the whole mid-east situation???? These peope have been bickering and killing each other for a millinia. Amreica came into the picture only in the last century if i have my political history right.
i am not an american and am happily not one. but i am sick and tired of misguided ameican liberals and reactionary third world types who love to point fingers at the great big giant because there is so much to point at. if you talk about the african slave trade situation.... it is still going on... the sellers and buyers are all africans. slavery is a long held sick dirty secret of africa... that preceeded the arrival of ugly, ungainly, trampling feet of the west into that region..... just like our dirty secrets of bonded laborers, devkis and nokaras and nokarnis. this does not mean the ameicans, brits, the dutch, portugese, spanish and the rest of the europeans did not rape, pillage and kill.
moslem, jews and christians have been killing each other and raiding each others' terretories in the name of god forever. just like what has happened in the balkans forever... long before america or Nato. the tutsi and hutus have been killing each other happily forever too. if i am not mistaken, it was not the americans who killed or prompted then to do so. maybe you are saying america should have intervened and played some sort of referee roel and helped solve their problems?........... well guess what? they did and look at what they reaped for their good will! bloody carnage and ingrates blamign them for the deeds of murderous fanatics!
well, i am copying what i wrote in another forum now because why retype .........
I am sick of folks making excuses for fanatics and ideologues ... whether they be Osama's fly boys or our Maoist brothers. Let us not make martyrs out of these murdering fools. If they want to kill themselves, there are many a way to do it... but killing others and then then blaming the victims is just not okay.
I am not for war for wars sake. But I an not willing to leave my life, the life of my loved ones and other innocents at the mercy of people who wage a war of terror - hiding and strikign civilians. The world is evil and war is necessary at times. But hopefully cooler minds will prevail and the US government will heed the voice of its people - those who are calling not for war and revenge, but a more humane solution to the problem.
If it were not for america pushign for democracy and capitalism, where would each one of us be. woudl we have this forum to speak to each other in? would one be abel to say the crap one does and get away with it? what about those palestians who were celebrating in NY after the Twin towers fell, if it were not for america pushing "democracy"and a new order of things, woudl the police have been protectign them instead of beatign the crap outof them as they shoudl have for their cruelty?
it is easy to point fingers, but boy take a step back and let peopel greive. And before going for the big fish, take a look at who else is at the table and what kind of shit they bring with them.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 18-Sep-01 10:21 AM
Nobodyji:
"To see her" is way too personal and carnal. The posting by 'I Need to Know' is also
personal. My reply was to all of you.
No, I wasn't trying to defend her because of gender or anything. I don't subscribe
to the idea of gender seggregation. Esp why should I do that here, where
Namita's postings and deeds are not inferior to any other male posting? What
wonders me is that in the moment of grief also, we have shown our intolerance
towards dissent.
I once met an old lady in Shanghai. She told me when Mao was dead, they went
to the roads, and cried loudly for hours and hours. "We had to do that", she
said, "otherwise we will be branded anti-Mao".Again and again, moments of
grief are used to create a homogenous, majority ruling environment.
The message of Namita is clear, and such messages have started trickling in now.
Although US of A is the great country, and we share the sorrow with US citizens,
US foreign policy and economic policy are mainly guided to serve its own national
interests.Or how else can you define the statements from the senators in Capitol
hill that 'they can't allow UN or any other agencies to act as international police
and impose their directive upon US' (when talking about opening up US produce
agricultural market) . In the meantime, what if some people wants to point out its
previous mistakes. The world ,as we know, is already in the business after those
attacks.
I don't have any problem with anonymous posters. Not with you, since I have
enjoyed the posting under the name of 'nobody' very much.But it doesn't sound
consistent when you enjoy writing anonymous poster, while demands to see others
who are more visible.
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| nobody |
Posted
on 18-Sep-01 02:27 PM
Namita and Biswo are as anonymous and faceless to me as Nobody is to you and let it remain that way. I do not think it's appropriate (for me) to continue with or anything is going to come out from this discussion. And finally, I really don't care who you are or what you do... Maybe we will disagree on some other issue soon ;-)
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| ***Yawn**** |
Posted
on 18-Sep-01 02:30 PM
I propose we end this discussion here..
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| Yaaaaaaaaawwwwnnnnnn |
Posted
on 18-Sep-01 02:40 PM
Biswoji, I think Nobody ji ran out of steam. What esle could he say? No brain, no arugument, no forceful dissent. Just personal attack. Yaawwnnn. I agrree with the previous Yawn. Let's finish this so called discussion. Nobodyji is really boring me.
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| Mike M |
Posted
on 19-Sep-01 01:08 AM
I found this article by surprise, and what a surprise it was. Glad to see Namita back discussing the issues.
I'm inspired by all your discussions here. I think you all have way too much time on your hands. Suggest you get off the net and go out and do something constructive.
Praises to Shiva, Allah, Pashupathinath, and all other gods.
By the way - I am related to the author.
Mike McCarthy
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| Himani |
Posted
on 20-Sep-01 06:17 PM
I am an infrequent visitor of this site. I have enjoyed reading Bishwa, Triliokya, Sally, Namita and others (nameless or psuedo name people's) posting time to time whether I agree with them or not. I can't say the same of Ashu though. His writings always seem full of himself if not boring. He does a good job giving links to the other writers and posting.
Lately this site seems to be going in some very strange direction. Personal bashing, bigotry, racism seems to be the thing of this site. People seem to read and write in English but don't seem to comprehend what in the content. Bashing Namita on her last posting of "Loss of innocence" clearly shows how much these visitors understand. People seemed to read one or two line and concentrate on that instead of understanding the full picture.
When a Natural calamity happens, all scientist and researchers put there heads together to find out why such and such incident occurs. Earthquake, typhoon, hurricane….all these are the direct result of some environmental activities some where else. People always seem to analyze why certain things happen to comfort themselves too.
Therefore, when unnatural calamity happens in this magnitude isn't it natural to wonder why. And of course, everybody has his or her own view. No matter what nobody deserve to die and suffer (the surviving relatives and friends) like in 9/11 attack. So why Namita's writing is untimely? Listen to other than American media you will find out what people are thinking all around the world. As I am writing, thousands of other human being other than American in the United States are facing terrorism and dying like flies. Do we have any of this report on the U.S. media? Oh! The country is wounded, she has no time to think anything other than striking back whoever the enemy might be. When the country was in good health, the media was too busy reporting Gary Condt and Chandra Levy. No time for reporting bombing of Rahmallah or Bethlehem or Isolation of Gaza. Israeli soldiers marching with machine gun towards rock carrying Palestines. What would have I done if I were in those Palestines shoes, I wonder sometimes.
I am not well read and intellectual like some of you and busy making living most of the time. But when I see people attack someone personally for sharing their thoughts, instead of having open forum in such issues I could not hold myself back. If we don't think what cause this attack in the US now then when. When another attack occurs?!
Visitor of this site should concentrate on attacking the ideas not people. I am sick of reading these literate fools. I highly suggest that you go get yourself educated before you make yourself a fool.
I often wonder who these nasty people are. All the Napali I know are so nice, well educated, well mannered, kind, compassionate inspite of their class, caste or creed. Who are these people with psuedo name on this site. I started to be very suspicious around Nepali now. I know no one of these kinds who uses such un-kind and filthy language. I started to ask them offhandedly if they visit GBNC site.
Himani
P.S. Isn't Sunakhari is a Khari Tree? I know for sure Orchid is Sungava.
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| dumdum |
Posted
on 20-Sep-01 06:38 PM
Himani has a point.
I have heard senators in Capitol hill are presented with a bill by the government
which allows police(INS?) to deport foreigners without presenting any evidence in
court if they suspect them to be engaged in terrorist activities. Wait a minute,
man. Is this the free country? Then what's different between here and ,say,
China or whatever that damn Afganistan is?
Also, is this country only belong to whites? Wasn't New York the same place where
the police killed 19-yrs-old Guiyanese black immigrant with 40+ bullets when he was
armless, and selling newspapers.
I feel pity at those who say Namita has no right to speak against while living in
USA. By the same logic, our 4 Shahid had no right to speak against Rana Rulers
because they were in their rule?I hate terrorists, but that doesn't mean I should
sing paeans of capitalist American or ,at least, republican America where NRA
can contest for rifle right, and foreigners are shot with those rifles.
Well, bhai gayo. Ke kura garnu. Nabujhne sanga.
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| Sunakhari |
Posted
on 20-Sep-01 08:20 PM
Himani
My father was a botanist and he called wild orchids sunakhari. If you are not from a very very mountainous region, you have probably never seen these flowers. They grow in a very damp area on trees, are usually white and have no aroma. They grow in beautiful clusters. They are also found in the jungles of Borneo I'm told. And I'm 99.9% sure they're called sunakharis. On a lighter note, maybe its just my father's own-invented name for them. (No, I'm just kidding - BUT if it was, then I will still always call them sunakharis for the rest of my life).
And thank you very much for the hint, but I shall continue posting under this pseudonym. If you have read my postings, you will see I slander no one and that is enough for me. But after seeing the way people go after one's personal life - I think I know what I'm doing.
Are you talking about the khari ko bot? Wait for my next posting, maybe I will go to the trouble of looking for the right name for that (if I have time)
Cheers
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| Sathi |
Posted
on 20-Sep-01 11:22 PM
According to Ahgrezi-Nepali Sabdakos (dictionary for Himanijyu) Orchid is sunakhari. So sunakhari rest assured you are an orchid :)
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| sunakhari |
Posted
on 21-Sep-01 12:20 PM
Sathi,
Could you please look up khari rukh as well? Now, I'm really curious. And since you have the sabdhakosh.
Thanks
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| Jayandra |
Posted
on 22-Sep-01 01:59 AM
People; Namita has a pointand if you disagree then don't preach, don't try to come across as goddy goddy person, have some decency and try to develop a stronger argument with out getting personal. I was incourage to write this not only because I am her (Namita's) brother also to fruther Himani's responce to Namitas artical.
Good luck people. Peace!
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