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| Romeo |
Posted
on 14-Sep-01 05:25 PM
Sometimes I feel Nepalis have frustrations boiling within, such that even at slightest provocation, it all comes out in this kurakani. Whether it's the NYC event or the Royal massacre or names like Namita, Biswo.... we don't need a topic to bash each other and create communal tension. I've been reading the postings only for the last 3 mths or so and I do not live in Boston. But healthy discussions are rare to find.
Automatically topics of hate, anti-India, racial slurs start emerging. Now people are talking about being anti-America or anti-GBNC etc etc. I think it'd be a lot better if we didn't waste our time attacking each other. But then, it won't happen ... I guess.
I am sure someone is going to retaliate to this posting too and create a joke out of this. God save Nepalis.
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| Yes |
Posted
on 14-Sep-01 05:34 PM
Right on romeo...........you got it dude.........nepalis are frustrated for sure..........
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| another observer |
Posted
on 15-Sep-01 01:46 PM
Right on! Just look at how peole jump, I must say without reading, on anthing anybody dares to write. And look at at Ashu how he finds any opportunity to tell people he has heard the name Noam Chomsky (ashu, correct the spelling, since you have seen the name before)! Let's salnder everybody who comes here is the idea in this message board. How funny ! Namita's writing reminds him of that great thinker. Isn't that hilarious?
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| diwas K |
Posted
on 15-Sep-01 03:09 PM
What we don't have, and don't seem to find a reason to learn, is the art of coherent discourse. I have used "we" because I take the liberty of generalizing on common experience of Nepalis, the opportunities and avenues. Civility is reflected on how one participates in debates and discussions.
Let's not forget that Nepal is not a "world class" country that it used to be. There are problems and issues that did not exist on surface at least ten years ago. But the people that later became leaders were no better than the evil they thought they fought. And still people (in Nepal) are preoccupied with "he said, she said" politics, without understanding of the underlying issues.
Free discourse does mean non-restricted participation in open forums like this. Freedom to express and explore ideas, views and opinions, and freedom to choose to be anonymous are all elements of "free speech". And this freedom does not come with preconditions, besides expectations of some civility. How one defines "civility" could be a topic for a new discussion.
To answer the question posed by the original poster " Is this all we do?". Maybe this is not all we do. But our failure lies in not attempting to challenge our personal beliefs, values and aspirations. It is very rarely that I find someone posting something on how they are affected by a certain incident or disagreeing (sp?) on a certain proposition. More posters find comfort in being able to vent their anger and frustrations. Unfortunately that is where it stops.
My hope is that GBNC will maintain an open forum like this for a long time. And also that more people participate in discussions. Individually, we will be able to weed out the substance from the chaff.
Disagreements are expected.
_Diwas
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| fren |
Posted
on 15-Sep-01 09:05 PM
diwas K,
indeed ur writing paper for all the Quincy students has paid off for you. (Got paid and at the same time helped your writing skills) Congratulations on your development. I wish i was as determined as you are.
fren
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| Zap |
Posted
on 15-Sep-01 09:45 PM
hey fren, what is your problem? he writes much better than you ever will. petty, petty, petty. go drown yourself in a spoon full of water. that should be enough for you.
and don't come back here bringing your pettiness. ever!
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| Hare Ram |
Posted
on 15-Sep-01 09:58 PM
Here we go again. Is it any wonder Prithivi Shah had a hard time unifying Nepal? Is it any wonder the political leaders have been fighting like dogs in heat for the past 10 years? Nepalese will never get along with one another. I am convinced this is a genetic thing. It is in our genes - our brains have been programmed to fight with one another over everything.
Let's see how long before someone posts something in retalliation to my posting....
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| RS |
Posted
on 16-Sep-01 01:47 AM
I do agree with you, Romeo. I have same feeling about this board. By the way I had checked all the previous posted topics in this Kurakani forum, it is very hard to rated its level. We have to utilize this board in proper way. This is a wonderful "CHAUTARI" for us. Thanks to GNBC for providing this forum.
Lets us make this forum very informative and standard which will eventually contribute to Nepal and Nepali.
Jai Nepal
RS
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| oohi_ashu |
Posted
on 16-Sep-01 02:31 AM
I fully agree with Diwas K.
I do not think that the aim of this OPEN, UNCENSORED and now GLOBAL
kurakani section is to make everyone comfortable and live in some FAKE
harmony and peace.
Even for a regular visitor like me, there are moments when I am comfortable
here; and there are moments when I am not. I would think that it is the same for everyone else too.
Just because some of us are uncomfortable here some of the time does NOT
mean that all Nepalis are khattam or that all are only quarrelsome and so on
and on. Those who insist on seeing all Nepalis in one color only FAIL to
appreciate the sheer diversity of people and ideas this site attracts.
On a larger note, many of the social issues facing us today in Nepal or elsewhere do NOT have clear-cut, mathematical solutions with predetermined formulas. These issues ARE difficult and have NO easy solutions.
(From my limited experience, I have found out that this idea above is intuitively
hard to understand for fellow educated Nepalis whose academic trainings
are on subjects such as computer science or engineering or business, and thus who have had little or no access to the ideas/controversies of the social sciences and the arts and literarture. But this is only my experience, and may not be true for all.)
BUT the solutions to these difficult problems -- as thinkers from ancient Greece onward have taught us -- can only emerge if we have the courage to engage in debates and dialogues AS OPENLY AS WE CAN and as often as we can.
True, some may argue that when many voices appear in debates, then the truth itself can be distorted. Even then, history shows us that it's only by arguing together, by discussing together that we can reason together to find solutions, whatever they may be. To be sure, this is NOT an easy process, and there is no ONE formula that works for all issues. That is why there is no need to be impatient and be dismissive of debates and discussions here.
In that sense, I see this bulletin board, like Diwas K and others, as a great
forum.
Also, to continue, by and large, we go to colleges and universities -- especially liberal arts colleges and graduate schools in the US -- to CHALLENGE the basis of our beliefs and values, to learn new modes of thinking and to examine the thoughts of past and present thinkers. And after some years, we, hopefully, emerge from such systems with intellectual TOOLS to examine ideas and thoughts
of others.
To cite one example: I think Namita had the courage to post what she did under her own name. I happen to strongly disagree with her ideas, but my strong disagreement, IN NO WAY, means that I have bad things to say about Namita, the person.
I think this is an important discussion. Who knows, tomorrow, Namita and
I may agree on some other issues, and disagree on some other, and the
process goes on and on.
And so,we can be very critical of one another's IDEAS and THOUGHTS in an open forum like this.
Of course, I fully know that MOST Nepalis see criticisms of their ideas as attacks on themselves as persons, and react very defensively. We have seen some examples of that here. But the ONLY way to help people root out such senseless defenseivesness is to expose them to MORE debates, MORE discussions and MORE controversies.
And so, to answer the question: Is this all we do?
No, this is NOT all we do. We Nepalis all over should be doing more and more of this -- putting our education to discuss, debate and letting the best ideas come to the fore, even if that means occasional fights erupt here and there, making some of us uncomfortable.
oohi
ashu
ktm, nepal
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| GP |
Posted
on 16-Sep-01 04:49 AM
Hi!
Biggest lesson we have learn from RAMAYAN is that the
mistake Ram committed in his whole life. Ram tried to
satisfy everyone who confronted him with logic and
Ram never tried to interefare or disagree or give his
own counter logics.
1. He tried to satisfy his step Mother. He left home.
His father died.
2. His wife Sita wanted to accompany in the Jungle
Life, he allowed her. Ravan le Harera lagyo Sita lai.
3. Ram killed Bali's brother upon the request of Bali?
He was blamed for action without good thought.
4. Ram returned to Ayodhya, and Dhobi told something,
he tried to make him happy, and he flamed his wife,
fortunately she did not die.
5. Ram left (modern day Divorce) sita, he missed his
loyal wife, and missed his sons.
...
So, GBNC forum should not expect to have satisfied
everyone everytime. It should satisfy somepeoples
this time, and someother peoples other time, so that
there is some intersection of satisfactions for all.
If the intersection is quite high, we should be happy
that GBNC forum is working well, and it should be
measured from the number of participants and number
postings per participants. If standard deviation from
average posting is not very high, and if the ratio between
number persons posting the article and number of
persons reading the article is nearly one, we can say
this site is fairly a good and active site. Then, its
a successful forum. Among many forums run by Nepalis
GBNC forum is comparataively descent, and matured,
at least it has not passed through the filters like in
Nepalnews.com where you can find majority of postings
require deletion and filtering of vulgar words.
Keep it up guys.
GP
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| vicky |
Posted
on 17-Sep-01 11:31 AM
different bells have different rings
if we are to live as a free society
we should let all the bells ring, regardless of their pitch or tone
and those bells that against this policy
have no right to exist in this society(virtual)
those of you who think those sharp high pitch tones don't belong here
just shows how narrow your minds are
regardless of where you went to school.
every voice counts just like yours Mr Romeo, Yes, Another observer,Fren etc etc
Y'all are a bunch of hypocrites
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| Romeo |
Posted
on 17-Sep-01 11:50 AM
We attack each other, that's what bothers me. Debating and attacking are 2 different things. When we talk about a topic, we discuss..cool. But when we start calling each other names and using racial slurs........isn't that attacking? Is that a good thing to do? So far, I've only found genuine postings from the likes of Namita, Biswo, Ashu, Diwas and a few others. But the one liners seem to be the one with the most hatred feelings. But I think, it's a form of self-amusement for many. It's fun when you can write one-liners about people... but is it? Atleast this is not expected out of educated people (I think).
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| Vicky |
Posted
on 17-Sep-01 02:17 PM
In a free society all the good comes with the bad.
you cannot get just the cream of the crop.
Its like saying,"I only want harvard grads in this site,the rest of you can get out."
Y'all are descriminating against those that don't write,"THOUGHTFUL ARTICLES"
gbnc being a social organization cannot descriminate
y'all complaining about this either make you a wimp or a hypocrite
this is why Gbnc cannot get anywhere
People who think they are smart do not want anything to do with those that are working for minimum wage. we cannot move forward as a community as long as we have hypocrites.
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| question |
Posted
on 17-Sep-01 02:31 PM
Vicky, are you and Reetu related? You start with a good thought then your thoughts start to zigzag, then all I can rember from your posting is HYPOCRITE. Do you see problem in your writing and /maybe your thoughts? Or is this only me?
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| kunal |
Posted
on 17-Sep-01 03:34 PM
Question I don't see any problem with Vicky's writing.
Maybe you have a reading disorder ? It makes sense for everyone else but you.
I suggest You go see a therapist because you might be dyslexic. Or it might be optical problem too. If you don't have the peripheral veiw of the computer screen.. it might be due to Glaucoma too. So I suggest that you go see an Md to check it out I mean tested do that it does not contaminate the rest of the GBNC community.
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| question |
Posted
on 17-Sep-01 03:56 PM
question, are u related to Conan o'biren, if you do you fail miserably. u are t rying to be funny but you end up sounding shrill like a lot of posters here. aagghh, my ear s hurt.
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| Kunal |
Posted
on 17-Sep-01 04:36 PM
May you should get your ears checked too.
What poster ? Bruce Lee Poster ? Or Pamela Lee Poster ?
Conan who? Conan The barbarian or Conan the destroyer ?
Que ??? telefono segunda feera . Today no fala.
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