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| ashu |
Posted
on 24-Sep-01 07:27 AM
Hi all,
Coming to this site now to relax (after a weekend of travel, a series of meetings, watching a haunting Israeli movie last night at the Russian Cultural Center, the usual Monday work and what not!), I see that I have been made a target of a series of attacks here.
Let me ask and answer some fundamental questions:
Do I care about ANY these attacks?
NO.
Are they true?
NO.
Am I going to spend my time worrying about "oh, what people will say about me" and REACTING in any such way to these attacks?
NO.
Why?
Because I defend the truth and the truth alone in my own name all the time. Sure, if better ideas come FROM ANYONE, I'd be more than happy to change my mind anytime, and that I have done on more than one occasion here.
And on a practical level, I have discovered that the more I get attacked here, the more new friends I seem to make in Kathmandu and abroad while many of my old friends seem to care about me all the more. So, thanks for the attacks.
Should my readers and friends, and strangers do not know me personally or have never worked with me (but all of whom are always free to disagree with my views) even care about these attacks?
NO.
Am I going to ask San, the Webmaster, to provide me with special protections (i.e. introduce censorship or remove certain postings or make rules about postings and do any of that nonsense?)
NO.
Am I am now going to STOP posting news, views, info and disagreements for the public at large here on this site?
NO. Not at all.
Again, the lessons.
Writing in your own name and speaking up your mind in public is a risky
proposition. Some of us Nepalis have, as some obviously do not have, a healthy sense of ego and the required confidence to take all -- the good and the bad of public writing -- in strides and with a sense of humor, without letting any of this disturb us.
And that's life, folks.
I will be back with more postings some other time.
I really gotta go. I can sense that my date is "sighing like a furnace" (to quote Shakespeare who has, BTW, much to teach us about how to handle personal attacks!), glancing at her watch and waiting for me at the coffeeshop :-)
Have fun, everybody, especially my attackers!!
oohi
ashu
ktm, nepal
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| DisgustedbyYOU |
Posted
on 24-Sep-01 09:02 AM
So you have a life HUH?
AND A DATE? BOY, am I glad to know that too. After Glasgow, London, Paris etc etc etc, you have a date, next let us know when you consumate so we can know whats next in store for you and all of us following you and your whereabouts! UGH!!
Hurry up, we are holding our breaths(NOT!).
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| Asstoss |
Posted
on 24-Sep-01 09:25 AM
Hey AssHu!
!st od all, if you didn't care you would not bother to clarify all the allegations. Just shows how pathetic you are. A Date ???Thank god, We'wont have to see those hairy palms again. She must be singing the praises of Allah Ho AssHu, but once the truth be known she will drop you like a gutterball in bowling alley.
Mirror mirror on the wall
Who's the smartest of them all ?
AssHu AssHu AssHu AssHu
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| GP |
Posted
on 24-Sep-01 09:36 AM
Hi! Ashu!
Keep it up!
Well, peoples have weaknesses, and make mistakes, and these
are different things, while you can correct your mistakes and
learn your weaknesses to reinforced yourself to a better position.
It surprises me why the peoples using their real world name
here hardly attempt to smash on Ashu's postings. But,
all most all unverifiable nicknamed peoples engage mostly
in attacking, humiliating, insulting Ashutosh?
Is it essential to register fake nick names to counter Ashu's
articles? Do peoples have enough guts to debate, and
stand alone in public? Is it our modern Nepali culture,
where peoples are afraid of showing their real identification?
In this context I would like to make more questions?
1. PRIDE: Do we Nepalis have enough PRIDE on our name
given to us mostly by own father? Are we ashamed
with our own name, e.g. Kale Prasad, Maila Pokharel,
Badam Ram, . . . . , if we are so much ashamed, why
not this "Bau le rakhya name" be changed? Its not
necessary to keep your ugly name, and you can even
name yourself and get all certificates changed to new
namel. I have seen many peoples doing this. Why don't
you do that?
What is the PRIDE of those peoples who ambush on
others?
I guess, the PRIDE that Ashu posses is really, one
good illustrative that you move with your name. Its
basic PRIDE every individual could have in democratic
world.
2. EGO: In some discussions, every one with real
names expose some time their egos especially when
they are blurred zone, but, the
unverifiable nicknamed peoples think that they can
always present themselves here as Egoists, but,
who cares them.
3. Honor: As someone copied and pasted here what Ashu
said (really?) sometime back and is not it great that the real named
peoples can be tracked down and they can be even prosecuted
or honored based on their degree of error, deliberate
or innocent mistakes. Those who hide with unverifiable
nicknames can never be tracked down, thus, they always
look clean, who might be much worst than those who sometime
write wrong things here with their real names. Is not
Ashu accountable here, what he says, but, are those
unverifiable nicknamed peoples accountable? Some of them,
might be having double life.
4. Motivation: I don't know what motivates people in
hiding and firing from bushes.
5. Scope: What is the scope of such hiding except firing
and insulting some individuals who use their real names?
Anyway, you have freedom to choose your ways. If you
have self respect / pride / ego / motivation / scope,
and if do not want to cheat your self, come and face the reality.
Thanks.
GP
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| Sunakhari |
Posted
on 24-Sep-01 10:08 AM
GP, there are some comments of yours that I agree on But there is a flipside of using real names and real people getting tracked down.
My bone of contention is : WHY WOULD ANYBODY NEED TO GET TRACKED DOWN? We are all posting stuff here for the sake of getting our ideas and opinions across. I do not have a personal vendetta against a person who would differ in opinion. THEN why would anybody want to know me as a person?
My comments:
1. PRIDE: Having pride in one's name? Thats not even a valid question but to glorify this point - I have no pride in our Nepalese people who take it upon themselves to pry and probe and find personal information AND then attack. I have no pride whatsoever in our Nepalese men who feel free to slander a woman just because she happens to find a topic interesting and post her opinion.
2. EGO: EVERYONE has an ego. At least I hope so. But not everyone wants to goad about it in public. Its a sign of weakness to do so.
3. HONOR: Where is honor associated with posting in one's own name? The honor that is going to be showered upon me by my co-posters after they find out every little nitty gritty detail about me? WHO THEN WILL GUARD MY HONOR? My honor remains in the fact that I WILL NOT SLANDER others. And I will HONOR another person's privacy.
4. MOTIVATION: I would gladly post in my own name. BUT I have yet to see some decent postings from Nepalese Males (maybe I'm presuming and there females who are just as lame) respecting a Nepalese Female's POV. VERY VERY FEW. And then, even the very educated ones have not stopped at stooping low. So, thats where I get my motivation from to post under a pseudonym.
5. SCOPE: This site has many brilliant people who post interesting stuff, ASHU among them! My reading and learning from such postings is some kind of scope. Wouldn't you agree?
GP, I have ALL of the above, my opinions and ideas are real therefore posting here is reality for me.
You forgot the most fundamental point though - RESPECT!
I have yet to see respect for each other, for one's accomplishment, for one's education, ideas and opinions. Respect for women who want to get involved in discussions, respect for friends, and above-all - respect for one's privacy.
Maybe I am speaking too generally, but one in a million does not count for an entire community.
Sunkhari
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| Asstoss |
Posted
on 24-Sep-01 10:51 AM
Mr GP or whatever the hell is your stupid name. Who the hell are you to come here and tell us to do what ? !st of all people will do what they want and its a free society here. If it wasn't I would not be hearing your stupid ass voice would I ? I think you should look in the %%%%ing mirror before you start blabbering gibbersh. Who the hell is GP ??? Are you too ashamed to say I am Govinda Prasad that you had to Americanise your name to GP ? If you are sooo proud of your name why don't you make a Shree 5 crown of your name and wear it around town. Man !! gety a freakinn' life.
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| GP |
Posted
on 24-Sep-01 11:10 AM
Sunkhari jee,
Thanks for adding one more point, I missed. I appreciate
you very much for adding it at the end, and your posting
really helps me clarifying some other things where I needed
to include wide perspective.
I have no complain who are consistent with the nicknames.
but, there are some who pose smart, and switch the nicknames
so frequently, (looking at the nicknames of writers a few month
back and now, I guess in real world these old names and new
names belong to same fellows), whether the attack on an
individual like on Ashu are by multiple peoples or by a single guy
who comes in different mask. Well, its true that GBNC is
a place to learn, but, its participants are I guess more
matured (in terms of age), might build GBNC.org to develop
a better site for discussions on issues related to Nepal. Well,
if I had ever heard any Nepali soc.community outside Nepal,
probably, GBNC can be ranked 1 on the basis of number of
peoples hearing such Nepali community outside Nepal. In
this perspective, GBNC could go one more step ahead, and
could have some outreach programs and take leadership.
I might be too ambitious towards GBNC names, but, this
can be achieved provided if GBNC members/executives
have interests towards this. IF you wish to develop it
towards that goal, then, you will surely have to make
the writers accountable on what they write or tell. The
Nepalnews.com weekly poll became useless, because
its writers indulged in vulgar words, and throwing
ugly prophanity, e.g. Dukhi, . . . . and several others.
Finally, I am not even deserve to be GBNC members,
thanks to its exec. who made it open to public, but, it has
become too public. In Long run, as we know Freedom that
we preach everyday, I guess is Freedom without harming
others, Freedom allowing others to have same level of freedom.
The GBNC.org provided Freedom to only those who can
mask, just the way in Nepal, where if you are Maoists, you
get highest freedom and highest level security, in recent days.
Its not Freedom to common peoples, I guess, its anarchism.
Sayonara.
GP
Fight Hate and promote tolerance-- A banner says.
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| AssToss |
Posted
on 24-Sep-01 11:35 AM
So Its Anarchy ? Its people like you who cannot let people just be. Have to change them the way YOU want them. Just because its not good for you does not mean its the same way for the whole population. EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN DEFINATION OF FREEDOM. DO NOT IMPOSE YOURS ON ME, I WON'T IMPOSE MINE ON YOU.
In the mean time do not be a Hypocrite. This platform is for everyone, and to carry on a debate.. I don't think I have to let you know who I am ...just like I don' t know who you are.
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| reader/writer |
Posted
on 24-Sep-01 01:16 PM
oh, asu, dear asu, you crack me up. are you for real?that IS THE fundamental question here. Have you look into the FOUNDATION of these so called attacks? have you wondered why people are enjoying "attacking" you? or could it be, maybe a slight, very slight chance you ARE a presumptious little person whose mind is filled with nothing but ME, ME, ME ALL THE TIME.
Let me ASK YOU PERSONALLY some question:
Did you answer Sunakhari?
Did you answer the Ivy league Grad?
Did you answer accusation concerning Babu Ram KC?
Did you answer who this Bania is and why old scner are bringing this up?
And finally my dear Asu, did you or did you not go after your so called "enemies" family?
If you want to talk about "fundamental" then talk about FOUNDATion first. The BASIS of these so called "attacks."
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| reader/writer |
Posted
on 24-Sep-01 01:31 PM
GP jee,
i have been enjoying , most of the time, your postings. but this particular posting is nothing but convoluted - away, way away from the real matter. What are you trying to say, exactly?
It seems like, to me, based on your argment, if one posts slanderous "article" on his/her own name then it is justified.
If you post it under pseudoname then the posting (criticism, not galis) somehow becomes obsolete. Explain that to me if I were a six year old.
Asu's posting was an attempted answer to Criticisms levelled against him (by many many readers) in the name of fundamental question. Like yours it was convoluted- trying to find its destiny - what it exactly wants to say - but comes out as a narcisist's way of dealing with life in general.
Let's put things in place.
Asu writes well. That is it. But at the same time he is an insecure human who tries to validate his existence by posting for GBNC and telling the world how smart he thinks he is. His web manner is appalling to say the least. Let's hope Asu will grow up someday to be a real man/human. I also thinks he enjoys seeing his name whatever the context might be.
"Nam ho, Badnam ho, Gumnam na ho"- credit goes to Biswojee.
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| Sathi |
Posted
on 24-Sep-01 02:41 PM
" I write with my own name" is A...who's plug point!
Who is Ashu, who is Namita, Sunakhari, Biswo......These are just names.Characters in a play!" All the wrolds a stage" to quote Shakespeare.
Lao Tzu said " the name that can be named is not the true name" Names, words, and language are only symbols of the Reality they seek to represent. We know the word "cat" is not the living breathing animal. That word only represents it!
Lets simplify this matter:
Fishing nets are employed to catch fish.But when the fish is got, then men/women forget the baskets. The point is not to collect baskets but to catch the fish.
The name is also something that is binding, therefore it has limitations. The name is always associated with ego. Pride and honor is something totally different. In hinduism we give without expecting anything in return. So when one has done something great for humanity, we ask... are you doing it for your name, or because you want to. if you are doing everything just for namesake then you are negating honor itself. Name is nothing compared to who you really are.
Maybe this is not an attack but we have heard Ashu does some humanitarian work, if Ashu had to do this work anonymously then would he do it?
Of course he may say yes, and we will give him the benefit of doubt, but this only raises quetions to all who does "Nama kahi rahos pachi bhaneyra kuwa khanaye...ghasi daridra gharko tara buddhi kasto, ma bhanubhakta dhani bhai kana aja yesto" motivation.All name is, is an illusion, it is "maya" as Hindus call it.
Honor is indeed not just in the name, this is a misconception, it is in the heart. This is perhaps what Nepalese people need to learn!
The choice is ours, the freedom is ours to either write in a certain name or not because it does not really matter! Honor is a different thing, so is pride. People often misconcieve the meaning of ego... Ego is just an illusion, " maya manifests in men as avidya, literally as " not knowledge," ignorance and delusion. Maya and Avidya can never be destroyed through intellectual conviction or analysis, but solely through attaining the inner state of samadhi." Autobiography of a Yogi.
To live a creative life we must lose our fear of being wrong!
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| - |
Posted
on 24-Sep-01 03:38 PM
Asstoss, I like your name man! Are you Ashutosh by any chance?
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| Double Trouble |
Posted
on 24-Sep-01 04:08 PM
stand-up fo rights....
You people are just another hypocrite just like AssHu, who thinks anyone else that as an opinion is a troublemaker. No one else is allowed to say anything except you guys. Anyone who is not an IVY Leaguer is a menace. Do I sense Descrimination here ?
You people with all your asthetics and high flying ideals are nothing but a buch of hypocrytes. You talk so much of freedom .... practice what you preach - otherwise shut up. This is toal double standard. This board is not for just people like Ashu, Biswo,or Gp(whatever it stands for) it belongs to everyone. People from all walks of life are welcome here. We do not look at your credentials to judge upon your statement. Your TOLERANCE must be low, otherwise you would not lash out on people saying things about Ashu.
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| Ass Tosser |
Posted
on 24-Sep-01 07:53 PM
A Message to Ashu,
Why are you tossing your ass around?
If you were to wipe your behind with paper, and not your hand, ... WHEW YOU STINK MAN!
What college did you get your diploma from, DEGREES R US - $ 19.99 in the mail.
Stop your preaching man. Nobody cares - never did, never will.
Ass Tosser!
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| mademoiselle |
Posted
on 24-Sep-01 09:03 PM
TO Ass Tosser :
You are disgusting , you are not even fit to kiss the ass of dead rat! you are a hostile person and you live in a hostile world. Every thing you write is YOUR MIRROR....
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| que? |
Posted
on 25-Sep-01 10:17 AM
whhaaaaaaaaaaaat issssssssssss this?
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