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| Concerned |
Posted
on 25-Sep-01 12:55 PM
An open letter to ASHUTOSH,
I see your name 5 out 7 in the kurakani section. Some are educational some are plain Ashuesque. Giving "advice" to freshmen, beating around the bush, trying to philosphize but failing and etc. etc. I tolerate you because you contribute to this board. OH, WHAT DO YOU DO FOR A LIVING, Ashu? Not that it is any of my business but sometimes I wonder. You seem to have so much time judging by the number of postings you churn out every day. Do you have a job? Or are you happy to live in the house your father built, eat the food your mother cooks, and not worry about making a living? Please igore my enquiry if you feel like it. That brings to the question why are you not satisfied seeing your name in the kurakani section? Why do you even come there to vomit your personal grudge against an individual? What ticks you so much about this person that you are going to such a length to discredit yourself? Have you realized it just helped people to see who you really are?
Is it because San said "let's move on" in the kurakani section, you thought Comments section was a fair game? Does it ever get into your thick head people might not be so much interested in your infantile rage against some individual? When San and Well Wisher said it was time to move on that means TO MOVE ON, TO LEAVE THE ONGOING SMEAR CAMPAIGN, TO LEAVE AND START AFRESH! What is so difficult to understand about this request? Why don't you get it when it seems everybody got it? What is it in your developomental stage that got arrested? Is it so important for you to prove yourself right when 7 out of 10 people say you are wrong? What kind of proof do you need? They have had it. They think you were on a personal vendatta not on substance when you wrote your "reply" to "the end of innocence." You are so depraved of common sense, commong sense takes a new meaning when you are involved.
Dear Ashu, do not go overboard with your rantings. People might think you need to be institutionalized. I can picture you wide eyed with a lot of sleepless night, tearing your hair apart, mumbling to yourself how to win this fight with this individual.
Good Luck.
Your shubhachintak.
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| Asstoss |
Posted
on 25-Sep-01 02:46 PM
I just couldn't resist.
Inconsistancy of thoughts ????
Who the hell is that ? Have you ever looked within yourself ? Mr maybe microbiology, maybe economics, maybe sociology, maybe philosophy ? As I said before AssHu "do to others as you would want them to do to you"
The web address is not Asshu the brightest star .com. Its GBNC.org- therfore its communal. I cannot believe that you went to the coments sections and posted all that crap. You definately are one of a kind. You might be very intellectual nut your people skills=0. You have no common sense. Thats probably why you are stuck in that social heirarchy.
I see no difference between you and a stalker. Stalkers never admit they are stalking.. All that going after the family 'n all . I guess you've proved all those allegations to be true.
Claim yourself being able to dish it out and take it... Man are you full of Bull--- or what ? If you were able to take it then we would not have this whole dilemma would we. mR CONTRADICTION. mR fULLOhiMSELF.
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| BS |
Posted
on 25-Sep-01 03:51 PM
A for Arrogant
S for sick and shallow
H for hanger-on and harraser, harrangue
U for useless, unpalatable
Does this righ a bell? That makes a certain person we have come to know here in kurakani.
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Posted
on 25-Sep-01 04:50 PM
what is "you are stuck in that social heirarchy"? Please elaborate...
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| OXYMORON |
Posted
on 25-Sep-01 04:53 PM
What is this Ashu charater trying to prove ?
Seems to appear everywhere in this site. Is he the Moderater ?
He definately has that stalker inferiority complex in him.
Its ok for him to do anything, ie Post Glasgow, attack other(namita) but when others do it to him.... Then mud slinging, character assasinating etc etc.
If he truely claims what he is, then all of this should not even bother him. Obviously he does not have all the qualities that he claims to have. And what do people do when they are in a ruckus like this. They fake their ideology and portray themselves like the characters they want to be. But for the audience we know what you are .... so please do not try and prove yourself anymore thank you.
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Posted
on 25-Sep-01 05:03 PM
If that's a reply to my question which social hierarchy is he stuck in? And what has his action anything to do with whatever social hierarchy he fills?
Some may find him obnoxious. At least he has a valid fact/logic, however polarized, to support argument. So why don't people character-assasinate him in similar manner (arguments with counter-arguments) instead of plain mud-slinging "He's this... he's that" and where the hell does the society or hierarchy come in? If I understand it correctly, that society is Nepal and that hierarchy defines our culture... Is there anything wrong with that, our society or culture?
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| threeinvestigators |
Posted
on 25-Sep-01 05:59 PM
Upon seeing all these animosities towards Ashu expressed so "eloquently" in this forum, I decided to spend some time reading old posting by and about Ashu. And here is what I found:
- Ashu does flaunt his Harvard connection and his various activities inside/outside Nepal. No problem there. It's an open forum, he has the right to do that. But this narcissistic attitude sometimes undermines the credibility of his postings. After all, one becomes more averse to read the writings of someone if that person is perceived to have even a hint of megalomania.
- I did find Ashu's arguments very cogent, well structured and clear. In fact, some of his articles I really enjoyed reading. Even the rebuttle he gave to Namita's outburst on the US foreign policies was very well formed.
- He does seem to post quite profusely, and that might lead one to wonder how he finds time to do all that and how he manages to earn his daily living. But then, that is his private matter, nobody else's bizwax.
- Ashu forwards lot of second-hand materials into the forum and the number of those postings seem to be way too much. Ashu, if you enjoy a certain article in certain periodical, keep it to yourself. Others might not like what you found interesting. If you feel the need, compiling bunch of them, with short descriptions and links, in one occasional posting under the title "Articles I would like Share" would be better, in my opinion. It is irritating to others when they frequently see these second-hand postings that have no relevance to them - and could be considered as pollution.
- Lastly, I would rather see attacks on the ideas rather than on the person.
Well that was my two cents, for what it's worth.
Jupiter
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| upperwestside |
Posted
on 26-Sep-01 01:44 AM
I have no problems with Ashu posting articles he likes - or for that matter, anyone else doing that. It's a free-for-all forum.
As all of us, Ashu has his share of shortcomings, but there's no point ranting over them. I am as sick of anti-Ashu brigade as I am of Ashu - when I see people running after people isntead of chasing ideas.
Yes, I sincerely hope Ashu would sometime stop hounding XXXX. But that's him I suppose. Many of his postings, especially when he's NOT running after people, are thought-provoking and fun.
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| Sunakhari |
Posted
on 26-Sep-01 08:38 AM
Upper....
AMEN! to your last para.
Now Ashu how about seriously moving on as some of us have (Hope you have noticed our CIVILITY) and hand out some interesting stuff to read???
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| concerned |
Posted
on 26-Sep-01 10:06 AM
>-I did find Ashu's arguments very cogent, well structured and clear. In fact, some of his articles I really enjoyed reading. Even the rebuttle he gave to Namita's outburst on the US foreign policies was very well formed. <
I don't think it was well formed. It was a personal attack. When he brings up who the writer is married to and where she is living to present his counter arugument that is not a "well formed" arugument. When he brands other people's thought as a "muddled thinking" without any proof, that is not a "well formed" "rebuttal." When he doesn't see the difference between the article "New York New York" and 'End of Innocence' that is not a coherent thought. If Namita writes a poem about Kathmandu's garbage and next time she writes about the beautiful temples that adorns Kathmandu, it does not mean she is contradicting. Do you see the lack of comprehending on Ashu's part? Can two opposite things coexist? Do you believe in it? Does he or you for that matter, have the eyes to see through and see the world for what it is - a complex, a contradictory, happy, sad, terrifying, soothing, place that it is?
You don't address why he is going in the comments also. do you read his letter there? when he says, "being able to dish it out as well being able to take", doesn't he acknowledge he is dishing it? Does he say my eloquent 'counter argument'? No! If he was just giving his counter arguments towards 'end of innnocence' then he should stick to it. He tried that but when he saw how many holes there were in his counter argment he restored to the Comments. This is what he does the best. I agree he argues well, most of the time. BUT, now that is a big but, when he sees he is failing he tries to do whatever he can - it could be telling people to take english class or anything - to prove he is right. So, he goes to Kurakan, goes to Comments, comes back to kurakani and to fudge the issue.
The issue of this thread was his following this individual around and not leaving the comments section alone. This stem from the argument and counter argument from the 'end of innocence.' So go back again and investigate, and tell us what you find, once again. From his 'reply to namita' part I to Part infinite to the letter 'michael mccarthy' to the letter to san. If you investigate, investigate well. That would be fair. Otherwise, you are going to be painted as biased. Do you want to be called biased when you want people to know you as INVESTIGATORS?
Naam ho, badnaam no, gumnaam na ho. Do you see the beauty in this simple saying? That is ashu's motto.
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| Asstoss |
Posted
on 26-Sep-01 11:16 AM
Social hierarchy= AssHu at the top and everyone else is at the bottom, the way Asshu Perceives it(nobody there except him). If the person is going to Quicy college, he does not think that person has a constructive thought process. and he wants to know who he is argueing with. Just so that he can dig out the dirt on them(family background). I would consider that preying upon your victims(like a stalker).
If he could really dish it out and take it in as he claims, we would not be talking here today or any day.
Hypocrite whats on your mind ?
hypocrite you will pay for your crime.
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| nobody |
Posted
on 26-Sep-01 02:21 PM
And how is "Namita" writing poem about "Ashu" and posting (and re-posting + referred by lots of others) any different from what "Ashu" had to say? That was a personal attack by any definition that has been used in this site. If "Ashu" is flaunting his intellect by his postings, how about poems/essays and lots of other people? Why different yardsticks for different people?
Also, people sing about heaven and people sing about hell and lots of time they are the same people, but probably the tune will be different for heaven and for hell.
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| concerned5 |
Posted
on 26-Sep-01 02:31 PM
If you go back to poem on "Ashu" written by "namita" you will see the context why? and also "namita" aploligized after "ashu" said it was not he (?) who posted the "brand name." That subject was closed. Fini. Ende. End. Understand?
If "ashu" had problem with that POEM then he should have addressed THEN. NOT GO AFTER "NAMITA" IN THE GUISE OF REBUTTAL ON "HER" VALID POSTING. You know what he did or in "ashu"'s name? He WENT AFTER HIS "ENEMIES'S" FAMILY!
GO BACK AND REFER TO THAT THREAD PLEASE.
YOU KNOW THE SAYING TO DIG OUT THE DEAD BODY? THAT IS WHAT THIS "ASHU" CHARACTER IS DOING AND YOU "NOBODY" FANNING IT. BRAVO! YOU ARE AN ACCOMPLICE TO THE CHARADE.
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| threeinvestigators |
Posted
on 26-Sep-01 03:33 PM
Aaaggghhh!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Please, fellow posters, bring your decibel level a notch down please. You know, all caps is equivalent to shouting. And too much shouting is bad for your throat and for other's ears. Metaphor intended ;-)
On the other note, my opinion on "dishing" is as follows:
If you are posting or dishing an idea, I don't think it matters whether you use your own name or pseudonym. It's merely a personal preference and nobody else is relevant personally. But if you are dishing a person and you are using a pseudonym, I am sorry but that does sound like shooting from behind the bush.
One might say how do you know if s/he is using his/her real name. Well, you might be surprised to know but Boston's, or any other American city's, Nepali community is still small enough that most probably a lot of people will know who the poster is. For example, I know Namita is Namita because I know her from the parties we have both attended. Similarly those of us in North America might not know who GP is or whether there is really a GP, but then those of us in Japan might know him for sure. I think using your own name brings a little bit more accountability and credibility, however minute, to the "dishing of a person."
You will note that I am not using my own name, rather a name of a fictitious character whose exploits I used to enjoy when I was a kid, because I am "dishing" an idea. If I were to dish out a person, I would feel cowardly to be hiding behind a peudonym.
As I said, this is just my opinion, for what it's worth. You can take it with a grain of salt.
Let the dishing begin.
Jupitor.
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| nobody |
Posted
on 26-Sep-01 03:39 PM
what goes around, comes around...
Is "sorry" like a holy water that washes away all your sins?
Call it "fanning", but I do not subscribe to the timing or the content of that posting on WTC tragedy. But I won't discuss that. And does not agreeing to it makes me "Ashu"'s bitch or are you discounting the fact that I can have my own opinions?
Where was everbody right around that time to defend well, Namita's adversary? Isn't it like those extremists calling all the countries that are with US US's bitches? If I stand up for some idea, that makes me whatever-you-will-call-me-next?
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| Wonderer |
Posted
on 26-Sep-01 05:58 PM
So what does Ashu or Ashutos or what his name is; dofor living? Wouldn't it be nice to know? Even better if it is to come from his own mouth. Not that I have problem with people secured in his father's house, enjoying his mother's cooking ... and even going to Harvard !!! as he seems to have and crunching tons of text a min. , but the reasion I am wondering is that his silence on what he actually does for living might be interpreated as a affermation to his potraill as a slime bag. Mr. Ashu, I think it is time to come forward and clear the coud.
as I say: WONDERER
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| a nepali |
Posted
on 26-Sep-01 07:11 PM
could not resist joining in and being part of the tamasha here. so if ashu tosh is stuck on himself, his harvard education, his crusade for the underdog and just generally showing off and being so completely iincognizant about his many shortcomings that all the vile thrown towards him just seems to slide off his thick hide, what are you/us all? going on and on and on and on and on and on and on............... about him, his harvard education,his pompous crap?
He is clueless and loves to keep it that way because it serves his purpose to the tee. Good for him. He is obviously shameless and totally lacks self-reflection. if i were him and peopel started going at me the way everyone is about him, i sure would stop and think... for a minute at least.
maybe the reason ashutosh makes a big friggin deal about using his real name is that without it he woudl be just a nobody. he could not stand out in a crowd. maybe it is his name and all that is associated with it now in this particular forum that keeps him writing under that name.
you all said it:
his posting are interesting
his arguement are cogent
he is harvard educated
he lived in boston, travelled to paris, glasgow.....
as much as everyone things is is a sick self indulgent f**k, everyone still seems totally taken by him enough to have postings and postings and postings. he is a global phenomenon.
now if he started posting as a joe schmo or under someother nondescript name, instead of that very in/famous "oohi ashu", hey he'd be a nobody. he might actually not have the "i went to harvard" "i worked with the kamiyas" "my friend in paris (or some other exotic city) this or during my travels there" to pepper his postings and make them ring with the authority and authenticity and engender the "credibility" that is now inspired among many a poster here.
it seems to me in a virtual forum such as this, names just does not--- SHOULD NOT (yes, I am beign obnoxious and raising my cyberspace voice) matter. Who cares about your gotra, your family, who you are married to, how many kids you have, what natiuonality you are? as long as you are exchangign ideas and information respectfully, not dissing anyone, not tooting you horns (hint hint)......... who cares who you are? someone said somethign about how if you use your own name it gives what you say accountability and credibility. i think accountability and credibility tied to a name is our very nepali legacy... one that comes from an oppressive caste system, repressive class structre and a very gendered world view.
i am makign very sweeping generalizationing here now...but most will agree with me I think that usually the following characteristics play a part in how you are viewed, whether you are considered worthy, of "good social standing", or educated or whther your words are valued:
. if you have some western education. secondary or post... preferably catholic school for the former and the us or uk for the latter.
. if you have money
. if you ar male
. if you are female, you better be "educated" and from a "good family"
. if you are of a "higher" caste
. where you live
. what your family occupation is/was
. who you are married to....
et. etc.....
so any how after this long tirade that is fast becoming really boring even to me, my final words ... ashu signs his name because he get validated by its use and how that name resonates amongst other posters. i choose not to sign my name because i don't see the point in it. i participate in this forum not to toot my horn, not to call others name, not to bore peopelto death (i apologise for this long post though) but to express myself in a truthful, respectful and thoughtful way... sometimes that does not suit everyone and irritates others, oh well such is life.
who cares what my name is. if i am threatening someone'slife and really going on a personal vendetta without rhyme or reason, obviously people can trace who I am and make me accountable. but if what i say bugs someone, oh well. i hope my words speak for themselv and that i don't have to have a crutch to give my words authority and credibility.
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