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| Trailokya Aryal |
Posted
on 12-Oct-01 08:56 AM
Dear San or whoever is in charge of this site:
Why can't I post messages? I tried posting the messages, but they never go through..
Dear Biswoji,
I strongly disagree. I don't think we need Taiwanese tourist until they start considering themselves as an inseparable part of China. Biswoji, the Taiwanese tourists coming to Nepal now have to come through either Delhi, Bangkok, Hongkong, where they have to go through the whole immigration process and security check, so there hasn't been any problem so far. If we allow them to fly directly to Nepal, who knows what they might bring with them, and given the sad condition of Tribuvan International Airport, one can easily pass even a rocket launcher. So, its in our best interest to have Taiwanese come from other cities, than Taipei itself. In case you forgot, KMD(GMD) has a very good intelligence service which is carrying out covert operations in Tibet and Xinjiang. Plus, we shouldn't forget the lesson that the Khampas taught us in the 70s.
Trailokya
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| Gandhi |
Posted
on 12-Oct-01 10:11 AM
Trailokyaji,
There is a proverb in Nepali "Aphno Thaili ramro bandhnu, Mit lai dosh nadinu". It is not any justification to cancel direct flight to Taiwan in the light of security and other corruption matter. Though you may not be aware of the indication of your own statment, does not it suggest that Nepal should be under Indian security umbrella? Why can't we increase airport security and invite more Taiwanese visitors to Nepal? Isn't it better to bring more tourists, and we can spend part of the revenues to increase the airport security? I see economic and social benefit in doing so, to add to Biswoji's point.
Feel free to comment.
Gandhi
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 12-Oct-01 01:21 PM
Exactly. As Gandhiji said.
Trailokyaji, we can't say that our airport is so lax in security that Taiwanese can
bring rocket and launch attack on China.
I think it is sad that when China wanted to make road in western Nepal, India
rejected , and we didn't let China make the road.
This time, when Taiwan wants to connect to Nepal with direct flight, probably China
rejected, and we didn't let them make flight.
In both instances , we lost. We lost, because we betrayed with ourselves. We lost
because we cowered in front of foreigners.Let's make this clear to everybody:
Nepal is for Nepalese first. Nepal is for the businessmen of Nepal, citizens of Nepal
first. Our national interest is paramount to us.
We will not allow Taiwanese arms, and I don't think charter flights can't be
regulated. I am very sensitive to China's position on Taiwan, and I support
our government for supporting China in every international forum on Taiwan
issue. But while Thailand, Singapore and every other nation in the region is
benefitting from Taiwanese tourists, it sounds strange to me that we should
give them up. Taiwan is second most populous rich nation in East Asia, after Japan.
Tourism and economic cooperation with Taiwan brings enormous opportunity to us.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 12-Oct-01 01:30 PM
>>Taiwan is second most populous rich nation in East Asia
Sorry about mistake in this sentence.
To be politically correct:
Taiwan is second most populous rich region in East Asia.
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| Trailokya Aryal |
Posted
on 13-Oct-01 09:22 AM
dear Biswoji and GPji
Thanks for sharing your opinions on the matter, however, I am still not convinced by the points you two made.
GPji, I wasn't saying that we should be under the Indian security umbrella. All I was saying was that if we want to bring the Taiwanese tourists to Nepal, then we have to have better security apparatus in TIA (Tribuvan International Airport). I remember this instance (this happened right infront of my eyes), not even a week ago:
I was at the TIA. Two planes landed (one Singapore Airlines flight, the other one was Lauda Air) at the same time. There weren't enough security personnels to handle the situation and on top of that, the X-Ray machine at the end of the green channel broke down. Many tourists got away without even having their baggages checked, let alone being asked, what was in their baggaes. Isn't this
scary? So, we need to have better equipments, trained personnels and a heightened security measure before we start a direct air-link with Taiwan, otheriwse, you never know what will go out through that broken X-Ray machine at TIA.
Plus, I don't see any need for Kathmandu-Taiwan direct link. The Chinese governmnet has already declared Nepal as one of the 8 out-bound destinations for the Chinese tourists. We will soon be having atleast 65,000 Chinese tourists a year. If we start a direct air-link, then China might remove Nepal from its out bound destination list. So, why worry about 10,000-20,000 Taiwanese tourists when we can have 65,000 Chinese tourists a year? I will say, why not start direct air links between Kathmandu-Dali, Kathmandu-Beijing, Kathmandu-Xian, then we will be able to bring in more Chinese tourists.
I agree that we have never been able to make decisions on our own, but that's the price any given country has to pay when you have corrupt leaders who can never think beyond their personal interests. India is there, and always bullies us. China is there, and it is always suspicious that Nepal is being used as a playground by the Taiwanese GuoMinDang(GMD) spies and Free Tibet activists. I don't know much about India and its interest in Nepal, but China has every reason to be wary of Nepal's link with Taiwan, or even with western tourists visiting Mustang/Lo-manthang area. If you look back, the CIA supplied arms to Khmapas in Mustang on chartered flights. In theory they were building a school, but in practice they were supplying Khampas with modern weapons to create turmoil in Tibet. Now, the CIA has withdrawn itself from the operations in Tibet, the Chinese governmnet believes that the GMD is supporting free tibet activists in Nepal and elsewhere and that some taiwanese spies are carrying out their operations in Nepal. Our governmnet hasn't been either accept or deny this Chinese allegation/concern. I don't think it will make any sense to bring Taiwanese tourists at China's cost in Nepal unless and until our governmnet can assure China that we won't let nepal be a playground for anti-China activities.
Trailokya
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| Gandhi |
Posted
on 13-Oct-01 03:29 PM
Trailokyaji,
Thanks for the response. Now I realise what you said about Indian or other in-between destinations from Taiwan to Nepal. However, we should be able to decide on our own as a sovereign country. We should be able to increase airport security at first hand. I remember how I could pass through the custom's office without paying the duty for a laptop, by paying just mere Rs. 200 as Chiya kharcha to the four workers present at that point (Rs. 50 per head). That's the situation in our only international airport.
I don't know the political equations though, as I am not always interested in these things. I just gave my economical view. I don't know how China would react on our approval or rejection of direct flight with Taiwan.
By the way, Gandhi and GP are two different individuals, if you are being mistaken. I am Gandhi Raj Bhattarai and I write from Auburn, USA. I don't know who our cyberfriend GPji is and where does he write from. I also enjoy going through his postings time and often.
Gandhi
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 13-Oct-01 04:37 PM
>I don't think it will make any sense to bring Taiwanese tourists at China's cost in
>Nepal unless and until our governmnet can assure China that we won't let nepal
>be a playground for anti-China activities
Not at China's cost, Trailokyaji.Definitely not.
But, key question is whether our decision is harmful to our own economy? How it
is effecting our tourism sector? China is not afraid of Taiwanese tourists, as long
as I know, and it has been maintaining friendly relationship with the countries that
have direct link with Taiwan.
Finally, I am also interested to know whether our decision was affected by a
threat of any alien power, namely in this case China? We are friend of China, in
deed. But not in coercion. Our sovereignty to speak for our own interest should
be preserved. "Threat" I say, because they CAAN first accepted the flight route.
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| GP |
Posted
on 14-Oct-01 11:37 AM
Gandhi ji wrote:
By the way, Gandhi and GP are two different individuals, if you are being mistaken. I am Gandhi Raj Bhattarai and I write from Auburn, USA. I don't know who our cyberfriend GPji is and where does he write from. I also enjoy going through his postings time and often.
---
GP writes:
The homepage (a webspace of your own GUNGAN) of GP
that he made it for his own GUNGAN and to let peoples know
who is The GP? who had been hanging here in this Cyberspace
most of the time as abbreviated phrase, "GP". Well, its
a name his friends gave him because of his long name
in real world while a Roorkee University, 1984-88. Its neither
Girija Prasad, nor anyone else, but, the one whose HOMEPAGE
can be found at
http://www.e-nepal.tv/
http://e-nepal.tv/
Being its his own homepage, please, don't be harsh
over this homepage. GP's humble request to all surfers.
Thanking you all those who did not have enough knowledge
on this two alphabet abbreviated gentleman and wanted to
know who he is and where he is. He is in Japan for last 10years.
Not to mean offend anyone.
If you have any comment on his homepage, please, go to the
guestbook and give all kinds of remarks: very good to all
extreme feedbacks and what not. I will be happy to know your
views.
Regards.
The GP
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 14-Oct-01 12:14 PM
GPji:
Impressive site. Also it's great to know you. Feels good to be together despite
the distance.
Yet another Nepali brain-drain, huh.
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| Trailokya Aryal |
Posted
on 15-Oct-01 09:10 AM
>
>Not at China's cost, Trailokyaji.Definitely
>not.
>
>But, key question is whether our decision is
>harmful to our own economy? How it
>is effecting our tourism sector? China is
>not afraid of Taiwanese tourists, as long
>as I know, and it has been maintaining
>friendly relationship with the countries
>that
>have direct link with Taiwan.
Dear Biswoji,
Yes, you are right. China is not afraid of taiwanese tourists visiting S'pore, malaysia, Indonesia, America etc. and have no objection whatsoever re: direct airlink between taiwan and these coutries. Why? Because none of those countries share borders with Tibet.
I don't know how its going to affect our economy. Maybe some econ/toursim major can be of help. I don't think we will be suffering a major loss because of this decision. We don't have direct air links with France/Germany/USA/UK/Italy but we have torists from these countries. aauna-maan-lagne-ta-jata-bata-pani-aaucha ni, hoina ra?
>
>Finally, I am also interested to know
>whether our decision was affected by a
>threat of any alien power, namely in this
>case China? We are friend of China, in
>deed. But not in coercion. Our sovereignty
>to speak for our own interest should
>be preserved. "Threat" I say, because they
>CAAN first accepted the flight route.
Biswoji, I am sure that China REQUESTED the HMG to canceal the deal (MoU). And being a good friend of China, we had to make that tough decision (or simply, it could have been GUANXI connection:-)
Trailokya
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