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| sparsha |
Posted
on 15-Oct-01 04:56 PM
After a long break, I came back to GBNC site to see what's going on. I still haven't had the chance to read all the postings since my last visit few weeks back. However, enjoyed many postings but this posting by GPji bothered me a bit. Why is it necessary for GPji to determine the value of Thapaji's house? Why does he (GPji) want to know how Thapaji made his house? What is the purpose of giving that example from Bombay (108 ko mal 8 ma)?
>>As a CE, I don't see your house costs even 70lakhs. I bet
I can make it under Architects supervision. On Top of that,
why you want to sell it? Is this price estimated by Value
engineer? Or, your imagination?...
Some more question? Current rate, Rs. 80,000 per month,
do you pay tax? regualarly from what you get? You show
in tax office it as Rs. 8,000, not Rs. 80,000. Are you really
honest? Then, I can think of buying it? I challenge you on
your honesty? Is this house made from honestly earned
and fair tax paid money? If its your parental property,
let me not raise any questions, but, if it is purchased from
your own earning, how did earn? Legal or illegal?
Tax paid or not paid?
For readers information, some years back, I went to
malpot to a buy a piece of land, well it was during peak
period, then, I asked the Malpot adhikrit to put the
price tag in official rajinama kagaj, and I told him
its fairly earned money, I don't to hide, and I will pay
whatever is TAX, pass kharacha. The officer denied,
he put only 1/10th of the amount I paid to the previous owner
of the land. The officer told me "Murkha kura nagarnus
bhai, yo mildaina. Sarakari rate bhanda ek paisa mathi
jana mildaina. ". He did not want I pay full because,
that will chalenge the rate in future and put him trouble,
and finally, the land was passed in 1/10of the amount
we paid, and at the end when I denied to pay GHUS to
the accountant, the Dalal paid in day light, infront
of 10s of peoples. Wow, Mero desh, ghus ma dubeko.
I saved almost 100,000 rupees for lower valuation,
but, then, I hate the Malpot office. I challenge you
whether this big sum you are asking is only for
grabbing money, and real money that will be shown
during JAGGA PASS in malpot or Nagarpalika will be
below 1/10 of the amount you get?
I look harsh over you, but, its the fact in Nepal. Its
what happens how you are made corrupt, at least
feel guilt.
I wish you are honest not only here in internet, but,
in tax office too. That might change the practice.
I failed, but, you can make it using Kantipur Daily
because of your amount, Kantipur can turn as
tehelkda dot com of Nepal. Please remember that
4lakhs scandal (back dated letter) in KPub, how
it turned the whole mass media and the Maoist
fanaticism upside down. You can bring differences
with just 7% of your money (i guess its the pass
kharcha). <<<<<
I don't see curiosity or appreciation but hostility, mistrust or even disgust here.
GPji? Can't Thapaji even say how much does he want for his house?
I used to read your postings with interest but this posting of yours just threw me off.
I don't know P. Thapaji. I also think the house is expensive but I don't see any reason to chase him with all kind of honesty/dishonesty lessions for that.
GPji, please make me clear, what is it that you wanted to prove with your comment on Mr. Thapa's house for sale add.?
Thanks.
sparsha
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| GP |
Posted
on 15-Oct-01 08:45 PM
The announcement was in Website for sale? Therefore, as a prospectus
customer, if the house become comparatively cheaper, I might be
interested to buy it. But, before I decide to buy it, I want to know whether this
house is really made from legal money or not really a legal money. As
a customer, you have right to raise questions. Well, it might be
a agressive question, but, still a customer has right to ask question and
raise the issues. Why he want to sell the house? Meanwhile, I had
clearly mentioned that if this house is made from the money
after parental inheritance, I do not raise questions, provided the
appropriate procedures were adopted, as you must have recently
heard one case in Dang or somewhere else how malpot adhikrit
made a PAKKA ghar as KACHHA ghar? As long as the announcement
is there in gbnc.org (not in his private website), I do not feel
it as wrong place to make comments. The house does not look like
1 crore plus ... and why can not I say so? if it appears in gbnc.org?
Well, some people may not want to comment on others' personal
matters, but, if personal matters is published by owner, its
open for judgment and discussions. I don't think I have made
any mistake. The method of earning is now and should be
critically examined by the prospectus buyers, and they should
discourage all those peoples who have made huge buildings in KTM
from such TAX hidden incomes.
If someone does not want to be discussed in public, its better s/he
do not bring his private things in public forums like GBNC.org
Regards.
GP
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| NK |
Posted
on 16-Oct-01 11:35 AM
well, if you are trying to sell a house which would cost nearly 200,000 us dollar in a place where more than half the population lives below the poverty line (can you IMAGINE that?), the people who are used to question sanskar ko riti thiti will raise questions. This bewilderment must have crossed many people's mind but GP had the guts to question openly not only in his living room. For that he may have to go through the lashing here but we all pay price don't we?. no pun intended. Christ was crucified ( i know this maybe the last thing gp wanted to be compared with) trying to sake the conscience.
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 16-Oct-01 01:26 PM
>well, if you are trying to sell a house
>which would cost nearly 200,000 us dollar in
>a place where more than half the population
>lives below the poverty line (can you
>IMAGINE that?),
I don't have to imagine I have seen that.
the people who are used to
>question sanskar ko riti thiti will raise
>questions.
What does this mean? What has sanskar ko riti thiti got to do with it?
This bewilderment must have
>crossed many people's mind but GP had the
>guts to question openly not only in his
>living room. For that he may have to go
>through the lashing here but we all pay
>price don't we?.
Yes, I am bewildered too. But GP's guts? for what? and what price are you talking about and who is lashing whom?
no pun intended.
So, what is intended?
Christ was
>crucified ( i know this maybe the last thing
>gp wanted to be compared with) trying to
>sake the conscience.
What kind of comparision is this?
Well, I failed to understand Nk's POV.
Now, let's take a look on GP's comment,
>>The announcement was in Website for sale? Therefore, as a prospectus
customer, if the house become comparatively cheaper, I might be
interested to buy it. But, before I decide to buy it, I want to know whether this
house is really made from legal money or not really a legal money. As
a customer, you have right to raise questions.<<
Well, I am not questioning your right to question or respond to that sale ad.
>>Some more question? Current rate, Rs. 80,000 per month,
do you pay tax? regualarly from what you get? You show
in tax office it as Rs. 8,000, not Rs. 80,000. Are you really
honest? Then, I can think of buying it? I challenge you on
your honesty? Is this house made from honestly earned
and fair tax paid money? If its your parental property,
let me not raise any questions, but, if it is purchased from
your own earning, how did earn? Legal or illegal?
Tax paid or not paid? <<
In your previous posting, you are not only asking questions to P Thapa but answering them as well with your own answer. You wrote, "You show in tax office it as Rs. 8,000, not Rs. 80,000." Is this a question? How do you know what P Thapa does for sure. You ask, "Are you really honest?", then you go ahead and challange his honesty. When you don't even know his answer on honesty on what ground are you challanging? You question, "Then, I can think of buying it?" what does this question mean?
I already mentioned, I don't even know who this P Thapa is. I support his wish to sell his house at his price. He is not forcing me to buy his house at his price.
The way you defend honesty and legality, Mr. GP, you must be a spotless honest and legal in every move. That (being an absolute honest and legal), I beleive, is highly commendable.
sparsha
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| NK |
Posted
on 16-Oct-01 01:45 PM
>I don't have to imagine I have seen that. <
good, we are on the same page then.
>What does this mean? What has sanskar ko riti thiti got to do with it? <
you mean you don't know what i am saying here? where have you been Sparsha?
>What kind of comparision is this?
Well, I failed to understand Nk's POV.<
Read my dear, read if you want to understand my "POV." *I* don't understand *your* POV.
See, how ridiculous it is to take line and "answer" it? Do you realize how twisted and deceiving it is when you show the world you are "answering" by not answering at all.
Frankly my dear I don't understnad you comments to my comments which were reply to your comments.
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 16-Oct-01 04:06 PM
>What does this mean? What has sanskar ko riti thiti got to do with it? <
you mean you don't know what i am saying here? where have you been Sparsha?
No, I don't. Why don't you make me clear. Where have I been? Why is this important? as a favor make this one clear for as well when you're on roll.
If you want to quote line quote with context.
Christ was
>crucified ( i know this maybe the last thing
>gp wanted to be compared with) trying to
>sake the conscience.
What kind of comparision is this?
Tell me what are you trying to establish with this example of christ.
>Read my dear, read if you want to understand my "POV." <
I did but I didn't comprehend. Why don't you put your noble ideas/expressions in a simple way so that a common fellow like me can also learn a thing or two from you.
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| NK |
Posted
on 16-Oct-01 04:26 PM
shh... sparsha. i am trying to listen to this opera. try to do that sometimes, instead of trying to analyze every word that is written here. Believe me it is good for you to listen to music I mean. Try Puccini. :-)
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 16-Oct-01 10:56 PM
You guys truely amaze me. What are you going on about? Gp ji was rude. His comment that if it were "parental inheritance I have no problems..." for one. If you are questioning whether the house was made/acquired by some illegitamate means... then what if the parents acquired the house by illegitamate means and then legitamately passed it on to the off spring?
I am glad to see Sparsha call GP on his mean spirited response to Thapa's ad. I too was flabbergasted to read for both the reasons that Sparsha enumerated - that this response seemed uncharacteristic of GP ji and secondly totally uncalled for as Thapa was simply putting up an ad.
Get real. The GP ji's tone was depracating and belittling. The whoel malpot story was long winded and dumb. One has heard about corrupt officials at these jilla karyalayas so many times that I just think it was revisited for no other reason than to insinutate that 1st Thapa got the house by illegal means, 2nd that he is not paying taxes and finally that he is trying to gouge the buyer.
Kathmandu supposedly has (had, before the maoists and the pollution and the fear of a catastrophic earth quake) one of the highest realestate market in the world, second only to NY and Hamburg. So big deal the house costs nearly 200Gs. It looks like a great house and two ropanis!! If I had the money I woudl buy it.
And puccini my dear, requires full attention. Don't let anyone distract you from the Opera!
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| GP |
Posted
on 17-Oct-01 12:37 AM
Let me spend sometime studying details on this topic, and
till then, it seems I should regret for the inconvenience to many
who could not digest the issues I raised. I will saluate the
Thapa if I am convinced that his earnings are legal and fair TAX
paid. Meanwhile, I know many elite looking Nepalis can not
digest such issues, because when they look at the mirror
image and find themselves in the same HAKA.
GP
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 17-Oct-01 01:01 AM
GPji:
Sorry to barge in. To me, the question is not whether you have right to speak
your mind or not. You surely have. The problem is the content of your reply. It seems to me you presumed that Mr P Thapa made the house with probably
illegimite means, and that he might have defaulted in his tax paying. & These are,
probably invalid , extrapolation made out of the advertisement posted here. To
some extent, everybody gets offended when somebodyelse impugns his integrity
in public space.
In democracy,a person is not guilty until proven.Why not we give Mr Thapa a
such opportunity? In Nepal, we have this anti-capitalist inclination.When one makes
money, everybody suspects: hoo~~how did he make that much money? Must
be a kaalaabazaari?
The reality is Nepali too can make whole lot of money by staying in Nepal. I am
particularly impressed by the brother of actor Saroj Khanal[they are my villagers].
This gentleman owns a big poultry farm now in East Chitwan.Lives in Yorkshire style Bungalow.Drives car. All change I saw was within a few years. I know
another poor (well,kind of) guy, who studied agriculture, and now owns a big
agri-related company. They both earn millions per year.
It is time we start respecting our capitalists. Without some rich industrious people,
we can't lead our nation to prosperity. Being rich is , as I quoted Deng Xiaoping early also, being glorious. Let someone be rich first and lead others to prosperity.
The country filled with poor and ignorant people and run by kleptomaniacs can't
survive long.
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| GP |
Posted
on 17-Oct-01 02:39 AM
Biswo ji,
Thanks for letting me know the point where my
posting was weak. Its a time, I better stop responding
this thread, before it becomes too late, and uncontrollable.
Happy Bijaya Dashami.
GP
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| GP |
Posted
on 17-Oct-01 02:50 AM
To. all Sparsha and aNepaliKT plus all others,
I had really swallowed what you have pointed out
as weak points on my postings. I mean : ek kanle
sunne arko le falne hoin, = nilya ke. Hopefully,
it becomes too much to swallow anymore, Its time
to thank you. I am not going to investigate any
more, let peoples sell as they like. I should have Hajmola
and leave this topic. I should know where to stop,
otherwise, even Hajomola does not work and ....
I am especially indebted to NK for her kind support.
Being myself too weak in public forum, I have to
retreat from this particular topic. If govt. of Nepal
offers FREEDOM, it will be wrong to go against the will
of majority of posters in this topic.
Happy Bijaya Dashami to all.
GP
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 17-Oct-01 09:45 AM
I don't come here to offend anyone in a personal level. I just couldn't digest (even Hajmola would have failed, though I didn't try) Mr. GP's comment on that house for sale add. I have no interest in listening Puccini but thanks for the suggestion, NKji [ I would rather listen Ram Thapa.. katar katar ma timro suwaudo jwai aayo motorma :) ] I have nothing against GP or NK personally. I enjoyed Biswoji, and anepalikt's words.
I would also like to take this opportunity to wish you all a wonderful Dashain. :)
sparsha
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