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| nobody |
Posted
on 18-Oct-01 10:34 AM
Disagreement is healthy for intellectual development. But how is it possible that all the postings disagree to just one person? Is it possible that all the people who post here think alike except for Ashutosh? Hasn't he lived his "fifteen minutes of fame" or is it just that he is not "everyone"? John Lennon of www.gbnc.org, always controversial! Most of the time, without generalizing, it's just Ashu-bashing, welcome respites being discussions of movies! It's not what he has to say, rather "Damn he opened his mouth again?" Actually we got this conspiracy theory going on right now, so that's great!
(I personally don't care though, is knowing the truth going to improve anybody's life except complicate it even further?)
Forget Ashu, it just anybody-bashing! Anybody who has any opinion. Success is looked upon with suspect, achievements frowned upon as vanity. I used to enjoy the postings of Sally, mature and informative, and I don't see that name anymore. Can I conclude anything from this?
What do you think the organization behaviorists would make of this site, its culture and values? Sources of satisfaction for this group? Any psychologists out there? I guess this culture is contagious, and I am guilty of being involved in "basher"-bashing... I will try to avoid it.
I'll quote Stephen King which I think is very apt this discussion forum...
"The most important things are the hardest things to say. They are the things you get ashamed of, because words diminish them—words shrink things that seemed limitless when they were in your head to no more than living size when they’re brought out. But it’s more than that, isn’t it? The most important things lie too close to wherever your secret heart is buried, like landmarks to a treasure your enemies would love to steal away. And you may make revelations that cost you dearly only to have people look at you in a funny way, not understanding what you’ve said at all, or why you thought it was so important that you almost cried while you were saying it. That’s the worst I think. When the secret stays locked within not for want of a teller but for want of an understanding ear."
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| tirtha |
Posted
on 18-Oct-01 02:43 PM
There have been several healthy disagreements on this site. The ones involving Ashu tend to be visible because they never resolve, and only keep going on and on. Take the example of his disagreements with Namita. And how long have we been hearing about his so-called enemies. When will Ashu ever move on?
A good speaker friend of mine based in DC once said ashu takes disagreements very very personally and goes to any length to be vindictive. Perhaps that's his problem.
That was an excellent excerpt from Stephen King, loved it! Also, as J. Mason (?)brilliantly put it, "...friends come and go, enemies accumulate!".
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| NK |
Posted
on 18-Oct-01 02:56 PM
Tritha,
Give me some pointer how to not to be involved with this vindictive person? What does this person in DC says who seems to know this Ashu well enough? Should I hire a hit man (nah just joking), or should I write another poem a continuum of 'a devoted song devoted entirely to myself?' Again I am joking about the 'hit man' stuff. Please please please don't take it seriously. I don't like ashu to be dead. He is our court jester. without him this site will go dry, dead, fini, khattam!!!!!Please anybody out there don't go on whacking him!!!!!
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| nobody |
Posted
on 18-Oct-01 03:27 PM
Tirtha,
That quote was from Stephen King's Different Seasons, which I think is best work to date. It's a collection of four short stories, very different from his usual stuff. It's not "Shining", but better... Shawshank Redemption was based on this story, I don't know whether they quote this line in the movie, but I would've. That's his best work. Perhaps outshone only by the last line in that story, "I hope". Definitely recommend reading it. The movie is good, but still does no justice to the story.
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| nobody |
Posted
on 18-Oct-01 04:46 PM
A confession:
guilty of basher-bashing again... despite my best intentions to avoid it. Amen!
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| ashu |
Posted
on 22-Oct-01 02:36 AM
>Success is
>looked upon with suspect, achievements
>frowned upon as vanity. I used to enjoy the
>postings of Sally, mature and informative,
>and I don't see that name anymore. Can I
>conclude anything from this?
Dear Nobody,
You are quite right.
I cannot speak for all, so let me speak for
myself.
And I say to you: Fret not!
I, for one, will ALWAYS be celebrating the success
of Nepalis on this site . . . and will be sharing their
achievments.
All of us have to learn from the best among us (in various fields),
and, that learning can take place only by way of debates and discussions.
I for one, am determined to see that learning -- in a fun way, whenever
possible -- continues here on this site.
I also take inspiration from my favorite economist Paul
Krugman who writes a column in The New York
Times. The purpose of that column, Krugman
says, is to argue against bad ideas on and on.
And so, I post stuff here at times to argue against bad
ideas. But I know that not everyone sees things
the way I do, and that's expected in this OPEN
and PUBLIC forum.
Still, NK or whoever else, I, for one, plan to
continue postings in the most OPEN, DEMOCRATIC
and, at times polemical way, even if it drives
some people up the wall.
oohi
"not at all fazed by silly attacks"
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| What is this? |
Posted
on 20-Mar-02 11:57 AM
Is this personality clash or arrognace problem?
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| NK |
Posted
on 20-Mar-02 12:25 PM
Is this vendetta going too far? What is the point of bringing this long gone rakus/uproar/clamor here nearly 6 monts after? And, I noticed I was one of the posters. If I remember it corectly this posting originated because of the big hullabaloo my posting created (re: double face of america - WTC attack). Ashu took my posting and he tried to discredit by bringling a line as usually he does and "answering" it. I would like to say something here. What prompted that posting was the chain letter it was going around how US of America is great. How big fuzzy brother it is that everybody should cuddle it. If somebody has took a minute to go through that posting in entirety they would have seen that chain letter at the bottom. BUT, THIS IS NOT AN APLOGOY IN ANYWAY WHAT I WROTE AND WHAT I BELIEVED AND still believe. I am just giving the history of this (the one you are seeing right now) particular posting. If you ask me, the act is malicious . Very Devious intention whoever brought this stinking body of a dead posting.
What is the meaning of this posting? Is somebody trying to "prove" something about me or ashu. Because everybody knows we are the only two people here with a real name and pepole could point who we are in a real time and space. Maybe somebody knows Tritha..... anyhow,
Ashu and I have my differences. We disagee vehemently with each other on many issues but we go on and even be cordial to each other. I respect Ashu's intellecutal capability and also acknowledge his shortcomings. We are not infallible.
So please, people if you have to disagree with him, please be honest to yourself. Don't be deceptive, don't shoot from the bush while the innocent might fall your victims. Don't spread the rumor as to why he is in ktm or what kind of person he is and so forth. Come upfront and confront it.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 20-Mar-02 12:57 PM
Very well said, NK, very well said.
Thank you for your words, and thank you for putting the record straight.
I really appreciate it.
One thing some people out there do NOT realize is that you and I -- real people with real names -- have actually known one another for several years and have even worked with each another on some GBNC issues in the past, and that though -- being opinionated Nepalis -- we both do have our very sharp differences
re: ideas and thoughts, we have, all said and done, NOT let our even vehement differences in public permanently ruin our friendship.
To me, that's a very important achievement, and such an achievement, I have discovered through my various friendships, is only possible among good friends who understand that every life is a work in progress, who understand one another's shortcomings and who celebrate one another's various strengths -- thereby -- in the best of friendshp tradition -- continue to learn from one
another.
But some people out there see only the heated and charged debates between us in this public forum, and one-sidedly conclude that our friendship must be khattam and jhoor, and then sneakily try to play -- like this guy who posted that above -- one of us against the other, trying, of course, to portray me as this really
khattam character that everyone should be against of.
Well, how WRONG and just unsustainable such tactics are!!
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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