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| ashu |
Posted
on 24-Oct-01 08:57 AM
Hi San,
As a visitor, I am quite disturbed to read some of these all-in-capital-alphabets postings here today. Obviously, some sick mind had hijacked real-name people's identities to post garbage here.
I trust that you will use your good judgment to do what you have to with such postings.
To the folks whose identities have been hijacked: Worry not! No one will think
any less of you on account of these malicious attacks.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| Gandhi |
Posted
on 24-Oct-01 10:06 AM
Since the introdution of ID, it is not difficult to see that all these posting were made from the same computer somewhere. Those names used by the nonsense is well known to most of us. We never think Achut, Basanta, Hemendra and Sachit would come to the same computer and post all these non-sense stuff. San mentioned one such activity two days ago. May be we can just ignore it until San deletes these offensive languages.
Happy Bijaya Dashami for Everyone.
Gandhi
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| ashu |
Posted
on 24-Oct-01 11:25 AM
I am NOT sure why reasonable people like Biswo, Gandhi and others here
make a big PRIMARY deal out of someone's using "bad" or vulgar words in public.
You know, as a visitor here, it's NOT really the offensive, vulgar language that bothers me that much, though I can understand others' taking offence at such
language.
But my attitude is: Hey, I am over 18 years of age, and I watch all these R-rated movies and read R-rated novels and so on, and the language . . . actors like, say, Eddie Murphy uses doesn't really bother me all that much. Even if some of my friends use such words in a conversation to express their feelings, well, that
does NOT bother me that much.
That's because, I guess, I am used to it, though I am NOT, a foul-mouthed Eminem myself :-)
In Nepal too, if you want to hang out, once in a while, say, with taxi-drivers, auto mechanics, restaurant ko waiters and even your local neighborhood Dadas,
you are bound to get used to their reflexively and repeatedly using the Nepali
versions people's private parts, acts of copulation and all that whatever stuff.
You all know that this happens all the time. There's no denying it.
Do not misunderstand me.
By saying the above, I am not trying to defend the use of bad language in public. My point is that: As visitors here, we need NOT be coddled by language that's sanitized and antiseptically clean and all that goody good stuff.
MORE than the language issue (which may indeed be important to some people!), what we should REALLY collectively OBJECT to is the SHEER FALSEHOOD, SHEER MENDACITY of these anonymous attacks.
And so, my objection earlier to the charges was NOT based on the issue of foul language -- but that they were so FALSE that we do NOT deserve being lied to.
Only the usual and occasional anonymous attacker(s) can launch such attacks and mistakenly expect the truth to be a casualty. Well, they guessed wrong!!
And so, it's up to us visitors to make sure that PRIMARILY it's the truth that prevails and that falsehood dies out by fighting back by saying that
falsehood about any person -- you, me or whoever else -- here is UNACCEPTABLE.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| Gandhi |
Posted
on 24-Oct-01 01:55 PM
Ashuji
Everybody has different idea on the same matter. My view is my own which may or may not represent the mass at large.
Vulgar words and suggestive languages are found everywhere and it characterizes the context and the attitude of the person who brings them in use. Occasional "F--" words brought by different posters out of their contextual emotion before could be compromised (whether you ignore it or digest it). For me, today's postings are unacceptable because:
1. The poster bears good names of different people who would never come to this forum in that form (I find it more offensive than the words that just names different body parts and activities).
2. They are perfectly out of context and the motive is just to spoil healthy discussions. It is also evident by the number of same posting to cover almost half of the index page.
3. No rating is posted. Not all our visitors are of the same age and of attitude of a matured audience. One has to go through it before one finds what is there without a rating suggestion.
Don't we want a public place be as clean, healthy and friendly and informative as possible where people of all ages and groups come together? If it is not the case, why would the law enforcing agencies confiscate the pornographic materials? Why should they bother? If we want that ideal community, each of us has to play some role to minimize such things. Though San is free to choose whether he deletes those materials of not.
With due respect to a paragraph in the discalimer:
BY THEIR VERY NATURE, DISCUSSION FORUMS MAY CARRY OFFENSIVE, HARMFUL, INACCURATE OR OTHERWISE INAPPROPRIATE MATERIAL, OR IN SOME CASES, POSTINGS THAT HAVE BEEN MISLABELED OR ARE OTHERWISE DECEPTIVE. WE EXPECT THAT YOU WILL USE CAUTION AND COMMON SENSE AND EXERCISE PROPER JUDGMENT WHEN POSTING TO OR VIEWING KURAKANI.
Gandhi
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| GP |
Posted
on 24-Oct-01 11:25 PM
Ashu:
But my attitude is: Hey, I am over 18 years of age, and I watch all these R-rated movies and read R-rated novels . . .
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If you are in Nepal, there is no age bar I guess. I had a classmate
in college who was 3-4 years senior to me in age, and asked me
(when I was below 18years old)
to go to see Video, he said its interesting. Wow, we entered inside a
chowk near Indrachowk. There were atleast 10video theatre
run by same family, the friend told, he asked me to pay my
part, and we entered. It was a dark room, When the movie
started, I was puzzled with the scenes that I had never seen
or thought of watching. There you could find usually college
and sometime even high school students. The video theatres
went to all cities and towns, to villages where peoples have
never heard of movie, never seen even electric lamps,
got the taste of what those 3-rated movies are, with the help
state of the art technology.
As time passed, the SWATANTRA BIDHYARTHI UNION of
my campus (100% ANNFSU), turned the Campus to
Movie theatre and in the night it was not less than the
Indrachowk. Just Rs. 15. Wow, campus chief came to
know this fact next day morning, when all Video sets
were returned. That was amazing experience. The
same Students Leaders used to make dramas just after
a week or later, asked with the campus chief to
do karbhahi. We were surprised with his statements.
Well, such habits does not limit in Nepali students alone,
but, in AIT, the 3-rateds movies were usually watched
by guys who would be killedin public place by hanging
if they would been doing in their country. They used to
be on front line, but, next day morning they used to go
students advisor and ask to stop such shows. When
advisor says, its not good to see, but, he can not put
restrictions, because all of you are adult, its your self
motivation to avoid watching. Its better you stop
watching by rejecting to go inside the video room.
Well, the same set of peoples were reported to be
watching next evening too. What does all this means,
peoples want to lie keep their public image up, while
they do practice the same thing.
Its self restrain, and it will be great if we ourself stop
using those Eddie Murphy languages. He use so much
I just stopped watching his movings. Its disgusting
to hear the phrase every minute, thats Eddie Murphy.
Its we to stop responding to those ugly peoples. If we
respond more, they write more. Well, sometime its
better to crush those we exceed limits, as we know
Hitler was crushed, and 2nd hitler never appeared.
Lets hope, USA if crushes BinLaden, there will be
no 2nd Bin Laden. Similarly, our Nepali BinLaden too.
Happy Dashain.
GP
PS: I had a classmate during my UG, he used to hire
these type moving for 24hours non-stop in his own
hostel room, as a celebration on the occasion of
completing Semester. He not only new all Hindi
cinema Hero heroin, but, he did not have a movie
left unseen out of available in the town outside university.
----------------- He said around last year, that he
considers these movie as art of presenting the
things happening in peoples' private rooms.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 24-Oct-01 11:45 PM
Ashu:
To me the difference is this: I don't watch all R-Rated movies. Definitely not. I
watch those movies which has artistic values.And believe me, I regret watching
those movies which has foul languages, and has no artistic values.
I don't practice puritanism. But I don't see any good reasons in allowing filthy
postings here, esp when it is possible to disallow them.Sometimes I ask people
(ladies also) to visit this website and contribute here whatever they can. I am
sure most of Nepalese (elderly and ladies esp) feel insulted if they find I am asking
them to visit an unsanitary site.
I would love to have discussion on this issue.But I am for "GBNC: an obscenity-free
webstation".
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| ashu |
Posted
on 25-Oct-01 02:28 PM
Hi Biswo, GP and Gandhi,
Thanks for your views.
Do not misunderstand me. I totally understand what you are saying, and that is why I am NOT saying that let every posting here start and end with F-words,
and we should somehow live with that.
My concern goes something like this.
More than the issue of offensive language, however, what we should PRIMARILY object to is the sheer falsehood those postings spread. Like I said before, it's one thing to make mistakes and learn from those mistakes but not one of us deserves being lied to about others in public.
And so, when we reject those postings because they contained lies and lies and lies, we help one another stand up for the provable truth, and we then collectively have a much more rigorous basis to judge the validity of the postings.
And this is why, that the postings used foul language was and is of SECONDARY importance for me.
After all, at the end of the day, and pressed to the point, all of us help maintain the integrity of this site NOT by sanitized language (which is DESIRABLE for reasons you have outlined!) but by pushing for the provable truth (which is
not only desirable but absolutely ESSENTIAL!).
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| GP |
Posted
on 25-Oct-01 07:58 PM
Ashu,
I think we concerned with both the summary of contents and the selection of
appropriate words to explain those contents.
If this site has to attract more Nepal grown ladies or daughters
of Nepalis grown elsewhere, the language is first priority, compared
to the contents. Lets separate pillow/private and public, I mean
whether I see 3-rated movies in my private room or not, thats
my problem, but, bringing the 3-rated moving or 3-rated
language in public, should not be an attempt to justify our
logics or contents. Thats I hate to see Eddie Murphy's movie
whatever level of enjoyment his movie goves in total. It
matters. Lets follow the Chinese leaders' comment on US
leaders demand on freedom and human right, where they
said FREEDOM AND HUMAN RIGHT are influenced by the
culture and geographical location. Similarly, thats why
we have rated the movies from 0X to 3X. Similarly,
lets hope GBNC.org does not turn out to be 3X gossiping
forum. Lets not promote it to 3X level, enjoy the
0X, if someone wishes to have fun at nX level they
can divert to other sites. Kris might know the right
places, because he was inviting/suggesting me one day in
a strip club.
Lets work to make www.GBNC.org forum remain 0.nX
rated site.
GP
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