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| Ukyab | Posted
on 26-Oct-01 11:02 AM
Read that Paras was declared Crown Prince. Now we have murder of Pravin Gurung as Crown Prince of Nepal. Great! |
| biswonath | Posted
on 26-Oct-01 11:12 AM
one of these had to be prince. |
| ashu | Posted
on 26-Oct-01 12:44 PM
King Gyanendra is clever -- deviously clever, wickedly clever, strategically clever. Though Paras has earned public opprobrium through actions of his own, I am beginning to develop a grudging admiration for his father's tactical mind. Still, as a Nepali citizen, I can only hope and pray that Nepal's multi-party democracy (despite its various ills) does NOT become a victim of the King's being too clever. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| Paakhe | Posted
on 26-Oct-01 01:00 PM
> Gyanendra became Nepal's King for the second time in 50 years. (From Nepalnews.com). I feel like there is something missing in above sentence. May be it is name Gyanendra without 'King' denomination. |
| duran | Posted
on 26-Oct-01 01:25 PM
Neither Gyanendra nor Paras will ever be MY king! |
| Ukyab | Posted
on 26-Oct-01 02:59 PM
Agreed. Paras as a King? No way! BTW, I heard he was booted off Luther College. |
| George Bush | Posted
on 26-Oct-01 04:39 PM
Long Live King Gyanendra and Crown Prince Paras. They will develop Nepal. They are good people. I like 'em. |
| VillageVoice | Posted
on 26-Oct-01 05:40 PM
Ashu: what has the king done to earn your grudging respect? As for me, these are very early days in his monarchy. And I hope, and I say this without any malice, both King Gyanendra and Paras get better with time. I have long questioned their democratic credentials, and it will be a long time before I stop doing that. I think the annoucemnt has come a bit too soon since many nepalis still look at paras with deep suspicions. But King Gyanendra, and the royal family members, were proabably anxious to ensure the continuity. Understandable. But the fact remains: our future king is a homicide. Isn't that going to taint the royal family? Paras is going to govern the country with blood in his hand. Who made this decision? Do they have any regard for the public opinion? |
| ashu | Posted
on 27-Oct-01 07:15 AM
Hi Village Voice ( I love your name, by the way!) If you hit and KILL (and NOT maim or seriously wound) a person by your motor vehicle in Nepal, the maximum fine you have to pay is something like: Rs. 17,000 (or about US $ 227 or so). If you pay that fine, you do NOT have to go to court, let alone to prison. As outrageous and totally stupid as that sounds, that is the wonderful legal process we have in Nepal. (Aside: I have always wondered: why don't our smartest students go to law school to take a course on torts and help correct these and other stupid laws that we have in Nepal . . . but this is a topic I'll take up later.) In fact, many highway drivers ROUTINELY run over and kill women, children and men in Nepal . . . all the time . . . and those drivers ALWAYS get their politically charged "Yata yat Sangh" (Transport Authorities) to foot their Rs.17,000/person bill, and, except for the victim's family, everyone goes home happy. Shocked? Well, don't be. Paras reportedly paid MORE THAN the legally-required Rs. 17000 each to the widow of Parvin Gurung and to the family members of his earlier hit-and-kill victims. Viewed this way, oddly, Paras -- no matter how much he is hated by any Nepali who has even an ounce of a brain -- did the strategically and legally the RIGHT thing. I mean, technically, you cannot really accuse him of breaking the law -- you can only accuse him of breaking your sense of what actions are morally justifiable and what are not. Don't get me wrong: I am not at all condoning Paras's behaviour. But attacking Paras is the EASIEST thing to do in this context. What is more difficult, more challening and MORE IMPORTANT is to take our stupid, anachronistic, antediluvian, morally bankrupt and oppressive Nepali legal system by its horns, fight with it (even spending a lifetme or more), turn it around and ultimately bring it closer to our morally valid intuitions and democratic ideals. Until we see a need to take te legal system by its horns , we will always be attacking symptoms such as the case of hit-and-run Paras without ever thinking hard about the underlying systemic causes. This, by the way, was what the muddled-thinking members of the Nepali Left FAILED to do last year when they submitted that petition against Paras to the Palace last year. oohi ashu ktm,nepal |
| Bostoni | Posted
on 27-Oct-01 09:35 AM
Depsite all the rumours and protest, I like Gyanendra because he is also a great politician compared to Late King Birendra. Gyanendra knows how to make decisions and when to make decisions. Most important of all, timing is everything and I was pretty sure he would do something like this. There wouldn't be any other time better than Dashain to declare Paras as the Crown Prince,because everyone in Nepal is in Dashain's mood right now and people are less likely to go out on the street to protest such a decision. Of course there will be some protest and talks but it will not be big as Paras Killing Pravin Gurung two years ago be big and bad as declaring Paras the crown Prince. Come on guys, we should give |
| Bostoni_Babu | Posted
on 27-Oct-01 09:45 AM
Depsite all the rumours and protest, I like Gyanendra because he is also a great politician compared to Late King Birendra. Gyanendra knows how to make decisions and when to make decisions. Most important of all, timing is everything and I was pretty sure he would do something like this. There wouldn't be any other time better than Dashain to declare Paras as the Crown Prince,because everyone in Nepal is in Dashain's mood right now and people are less likely to go out on the street to protest such a decision. Of course there will be some protest and talks but it will not be big as Paras Killing Pravin Gurung two years ago be big and bad as declaring Paras the crown Prince. Come on guys, we should give Paras a chance. No one in this world is perfect and everyone deserves a second chance. Sometimes the worst time in life brings the best out of people. I think, Paras has realized this and he is trying to change and he need to change. He doesn't have any other options or do we ? |
| Bostoni_Babu | Posted
on 27-Oct-01 09:49 AM
Depsite all the rumours and protest, I like Gyanendra because he is also a great politician compared to Late King Birendra. Gyanendra knows how to make decisions and when to make decisions. Most important of all, timing is everything and I was pretty sure he would do something like this. There wouldn't be any other time better than Dashain to declare Paras as the Crown Prince,because everyone in Nepal is in Dashain's mood right now and people are less likely to go out on the street to protest such a decision. Of course there will be some protest and talks but it will not be big as Paras Killing Pravin Gurung two years ago. Come on guys, we should give Paras a chance. No one in this world is perfect and everyone deserves a second chance. Sometimes the worst time in life brings the best out of people. I think, Paras has realized this and he is trying to change and he need to change. He doesn't have any other options or do we ? |
| 2centLawyer | Posted
on 27-Oct-01 09:56 AM
Ashu: Law may be true in case of "Hit and Run" case or what is known as death in auto "accident." That means, death was not caused intentionally, but accidentally. Even in the US, motorists killing other motorists or pedestrians by "accident" do not get more than 3 months.. have seen that happening! (In case of drunk driving, prison sentence is as high as 25 years or even life!) But Paras case was not an "Accident". it was intentional .. and He was DRUNK! That should be a murder charge .. not an "accidental" traffic violation charge! Just my 2 cent worth! |
| VillageVoice | Posted
on 27-Oct-01 11:39 AM
As for giving Paras a second chance, Nepalis have given him not just second, hundredth, thousandth but one million-th chance. He can always prove himself in the public eye. Noone's stopping him from graceful, decent and disciplined. I am not discarding him altogether, not ye - as if I have been given a choice - but king Gyanendra gives me a fright: doing what the public detests. As for timing it during Dashain, that's even worse. As if public opinion don't matter during the festival. That's exactly the stuff - cavelier attitude to the people - that frightens me. |
| VillageVoice | Posted
on 27-Oct-01 11:56 AM
Hi Ashu: Paras may have come out of the Praveen Gurung episode unscathed as far as the legal defense goes, but the case thankfully took a more cultural meaning too - how callously our royalties treat the people. What happened to Gurung can happen to you and I. Yes, I do agree with the fact that our legal system would attract the best and the brightest, and that would correct many of these legal shortcomings. And court battles would a fun read. |
| eg | Posted
on 27-Oct-01 12:34 PM
Koteshwor area remained tense the whole day as local people blocked the road, vandalised the police post and set some vehicles on fire to protest the death of a person run over by a microbus in the main Koteshwor intersection Saturday. Police opened fire to control the crowd in which at least three people were injured, police said. The microbus knocked and killed Nava Raj Timilsina Saturday morning. Police described it as an accident. However, local people who claimed to be eyewitnesses said that the microbus driver deliberately killed the person. According to Chandra Bahadur Giri, the microbus first hit the person and later killed him when it reversed “If the vehicle had not reversed, the person would not have been killed,” he said. Following the incident, an infuriated crowd stoned the Koteshwore police post and damaged several public vehicles including a trolley bus. The crowd blocked the road by putting barricades. As a result, traffic movement between Kathmandu and Bhaktapur was disturbed whole day. Local people said the driver fled after killing the person. But the police said that the driver surrendered to police immediately after the accident. The Police also said that they have already initiated investigation and action against the driver. |
| mee | Posted
on 29-Oct-01 02:25 AM
does this have something to do with Paras-Pravin kanda?? or its just a news?? |
| Ukyab | Posted
on 29-Oct-01 12:52 PM
Today's Sandhya Times says Paras will be sent to London for "rajkaaj taleem." These days he's under house arrest and none of his friends have access to him anymore. But would that absolve him of his crime? No way!!! BTW, he is rumored to have been kicked out of Luther College, Iowa. |
