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| Gandhi |
Posted
on 04-Nov-01 09:57 PM
Please check this out:
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/11/04/inv.ohare.arrest/index.html
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| Visa |
Posted
on 04-Nov-01 10:05 PM
Ooops there goes visas for Nepalese to come to the US. Damn that guy.
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| Gandhi |
Posted
on 04-Nov-01 10:49 PM
In seperate note: Tyo subhaji innocent nai bhaye pani tetro bidhi chhuri and bandook bokera kina hinda pareko hola? Kasle kaslai chinna sakchha ra? Just a sad news to all of us.
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| harke |
Posted
on 04-Nov-01 11:13 PM
Despite the unruly and rowdy behavior Nepali usually show in Nepal's gazal and dance resturants, We( Nepali) are still cool here in the United states - disciplined, liberal, hardworking and funloving. Its so sad to know Nepali connection with possible 9/11 witness. Any one knows this guy?
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| Nhuchche |
Posted
on 04-Nov-01 11:22 PM
It's hard to say why he would be carrying so many knives? With so much media attention regarding tight security in the airports, how could he think he could get through security? In any event, this might not have any connection to the other purported arrests for questioning at West Hollywood Avenue. Lots of Nepalese live in west hollywood avenue and it might be a sheer coincidence that the other two mentioned also happened to have some connection in that apartment building.
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| dazzbk |
Posted
on 04-Nov-01 11:22 PM
was he stupid to carry weapons or what? damn! hope we won't be on watch list now. stupid!
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| newar |
Posted
on 04-Nov-01 11:34 PM
shows that gurungs indeed got no buddhi.. brain or mind
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 12:14 AM
I think it is so sad to hear about this news. What cause there might be for this
Mr Gurung to carry stun gun, and become the pawn of these terrorists?
Lure of money? He is obviously not a Moslem, so the hortatory speeches of
Bin Laden or the prospect of illustratious adoption by Mohammad shouldn't be
appealing him.
They say Nepali warriors fought in second world war valiantly. So valiantly that
when the captain once asked them to jump off the flying plane, they jumped
without carrying the parachute(because the captain didn't ask to carry parachute).
I wish Mr Gurung had realised how he was going to tarnish the image of the whole
nation with his association with the vile coterie of blinkered followers of terrorism.
However, I still wish him best luck, and hope he will cooperate with authorities,
and get a fair trial.Don't want one more family to cry back in Nepal.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 12:40 AM
Hi:
>Police arrested Subash Gurung, 27, who said he was from Nepal, and charged
>him with unlawful possession of a weapon and attempting to board an aircraft
>with a weapon, both misdemeanor charges (from CNN News)
Just figured out that the charges against Mr Gurung are 'misdemeanor', and he
is released on bond. Since misdemeanor is less serious crime (than felony), it
seems to me the things might have been blown out of proportion.We all know
how charged the environment is now!
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| BP |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 12:45 AM
I hope he was not a muslim.
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| Gurung |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 01:53 AM
Hey! people,,,,That stupid guy made trouble in this country,,,specially for we GURUNGS......Full of Shit.....I hate those unnecessary activities from any of the Nepalese
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| echo |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 02:43 AM
I guess he had accidently included all of the weapons with him (source:CNN). I don't think he is involved with 9/11 incident (he's a nepali!!!) and also guessing that it was just a coincidence. Since they are misdemeanor charges, he should not be held for a long time unless the authority can prove his link (if there is any) to 9/11 material witnesses. Therefore, if you have not done anything wrong, this event should not affect any of you in any way.
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| Buddy |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 03:39 AM
man!!! he is innocent.He's Nepali...how could a Nepali mind do that.one Nepalese mind cannot do such kinda of terrorist acts........its impossible....i believe he's innocent..
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| dude |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 10:13 AM
i don't believe he's got anything to do with 9/11 attacks, but what the hell was he thinking carrying 7 knives and a stun gun ...!!!! and the reason he gives is "to protect himself?" what a moron
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| x |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 11:31 AM
There is no need to generalise. I am gurung and proud to be one. What someone does doesn't reflect all the people from the same culture. Gurungs are honest and hard working, so i believe you are the one without any buddhi.
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| abishwas |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 11:41 AM
How can you believe that this jerk is innocent. Most nepalis think they can get away with violating the norms of the society because they are from a poor and politically non alligned nation. Wake up. You are just as guilty of offenses as anyone else. Murderers in the palace, thefts, rapes, disrespect for your sisters and mothers, abortion, alcoholism, anarchy, and now terrorism. You had better watch your asses because now we are all suspects. First it was only Moslems who were suspect, now the attention is on us as terrorists. You cant call this man innocent. He is certainly STUPID, in some persons opinion, a national characteristic. He was probably recruited by the terrorists because he was lonely and poor, stupid enough to believe them. They probably paid him handsomely for his involvement. Wake up. The focus is on YOU. The good people, what good people, will suffer for his actions, and it will be years to erase this disgrace. Hang him by his cohones.
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| y |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 12:08 PM
Like it or not, the authorities are going to assume "You are who your friends are" and will likely start questioning other Nepalis and friends/family of Subash. Rest assured that the watch list will grow. My suggestion is: control your environment or someone else will. As far as his claim that it was an accident, I'm sure that excuse gets used with customs at TIA all the time. Wonder how this'll be portrayed in Nepali media.
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| kale |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 12:10 PM
Check this out
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/11/05/inv.ohare.security.breach/index.html
Gurung is rearrested. Still my heart says he CANT be involved with 9/11. BUT one thing for sure He is a STUPID, MORON JACKASS. ONce again Nepal is in headlines and breaking news after royal slain. Look at his picture and try to remember if some of u have actuallymet him somewhere in Nepal or in US
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| krishna |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 12:14 PM
>Hi:
>>Police arrested Subash Gurung, 27, who said
>he was from Nepal, and charged
>>him with unlawful possession of a weapon
>and attempting to board an aircraft
>>with a weapon, both misdemeanor charges (
>from CNN News)
>
>Just figured out that the charges against Mr
>Gurung are 'misdemeanor', and he
>is released on bond. Since misdemeanor is
>less serious crime (than felony), it
>seems to me the things might have been blown
>out of proportion.We all know
>how charged the environment is now!
Please explain how, in the context of the currently "charged" environment, as you put it, this story has been blown out of proportion? I feel that the coverage has been entirely proportional, given the current situation.
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| xx |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 12:50 PM
Yup the dude has been rearrested after they found out that his address
coincided with that of one of the Indian dudes who was arrested after the september 11 event. The guy says that he "accidentally" carried all those weapons in his bag. What a dumbo! Why couldn't he have "accidentally" followed the news on hightened airport security after the event of september 11 so he wouldn't have been in this mess "accidetally." How stupid can one be, oh my
god!
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| sheila |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 01:03 PM
I wonder if he thinks Nepali girls are clever and cute?
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 01:03 PM
Krishnaji:
I think the story is getting more limelight than any other previous ones. It is
so obvious.
In another note, I remember Sunakhari once said a lot of Afgan look like Nepali.
Is there any possibility that some Afgan faked his identity with Nepali passport?
Though I admit he really looks like Nepali.
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| Sunakhari |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 01:19 PM
Biswo, I so hope you are right and this guy is an afghan who stole a passport (althought you are right he does look Nepali). But if everybody on this forum is watching the news constantly, you will have to agree with me when I said that some of these "afghans" look ethnically Nepalese to me. And I know about the Mongolian-looking Afghans, Russians, Chengis Khan ka santaan haru so spare me that bhasan.
For once, you history buffs, look up these facts PLEASE. There could be ethnic Nepalese people still living in Afghanistan and thereabouts.
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| Nepali |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 01:27 PM
Man this dam gurung proved that he is stupid, Sara Nepali ko Nam gundruk ko jhol ma dubayo. God Bless this Gurung.
Any Nepali please do not do this kinda activities,
Nepali
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 01:40 PM
Newar saheb:
"shows that gurungs indeed got no buddhi.. brain or mind"
Your above statement could be taken by some ignant and turned around exactly the same way you have on other Newars... in that they could argue that your statement shows that all newars indeed are bigoted ... and have no sense to lump and sterotype people like that.
So, please refrain from making racist remarks. It makes no sense whatsoever.
Sincerely,
A fellow Newar
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| MMS |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 01:52 PM
I don't think this guy is innocent. How can he carry so many knives accidentally. How come he didn't realise that he may have in bag after the security found two knives in his pocket.
Its surely going to make our life difficult.
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| kura ma kura |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 02:15 PM
I just watched the news. This Gurung guy says he bought those knives just for the sake of collection and as for the gun he says he's been living all alone by himself for two years, so he got this gun for his personal safety. As of his looks and complexion you can't deny he's a nepali guy, however i found his accent li'l different from what i consider a nepali accent. Having lost contact with nepalis for quite a while, I may have gotten it wrong.
Hope this poor guy cooperates wholely with the investigators. Even if he's guilty and is proved to be have links with the terrorists ( which seems apparent with the disclosure of similar address that another terrorist accomplice used) it'd be wise of him to confess any connections he has with the terrorists. Instead of revolting, giving up would be the right choice. That's what I think.
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| sangam |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 02:15 PM
Biswo and Sunakhari,
This is what I have heard so far by talking to people in chicago. He is a nepali. (boy! I had hoped for otherwise). Phone was ringing all day long yesterday at most or any gurung family home in chicago for information. Mosty from media and FBI.
sangam.
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| spoo |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 02:21 PM
Haami bir chhau ra ta buddhu chhau.
Haami budhdhu chhau ra ta bir chhau.
-Bhupi Sherchan dai.(Where art thou?)
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| spoo |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 02:23 PM
Sorry correction:
Haami bir chhau ta ra buddhu chau.
Haami buddhu chhau ra ta bir chhau.
- Bhupi Sherchan dai (E Dai, Where art thou?)
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| another view |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 02:35 PM
Assume that Mr. Gurung is a member of RIM or Maoist Groups in Nepal. Imagine the consequences.
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| NK |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 03:05 PM
re: hami buddhu chau..
how poignant. i think he must have been talking about gurkhas in the british army. Bhupi is my hero.
so a nepali got arrested. there are hundreds (according one source more than a thousand detainees related to sep 11 case) of Arab descendent people. I don't think we need to panic. There are always bad apples somewhere. it is ridiculous to think all naplis are sojha and all of them follow the rules to the crossing of the 't' and dots of the 'i'. Still this guy could be innocent. let's not jump to the conclusion, not yet.
on another note. it seems like nepal is poised to come to the world scene. First the royal palace massacare. weeks after weeks it was a front page story. Then Upadhyaya's dubut -collection of stories then Manjushree then THIS! Good and bad all at the same time. Does not that tell us something? We nepali are not monlithic, homogenous group of people. We come in all shapes and sizes. and some with stun guns. Welcome to the reality!
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| nobody |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 03:30 PM
Yet another mercenery...
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| Ace |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 03:38 PM
quote from Chicago Tribune:
"In a news release this afternoon, the FBI emphasized there was no allegation the incident was connected to any suspected terrorist activity. The agency also described as “not accurate” published reports Gurung had once lived in the same North Side apartment building as another man now being held as a material witness in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks."
"The FBI called “not accurate” published reports Gurung had lived in an apartment in the 1000 block of West Hollywood Avenue, where Ayub Ali Khan once lived. Khan has been detained by authorities as a material witness in the Sept. 11 attacks.
"
For full transcript, follow the link below.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-011105gurungap.story?coll=chi%2Dnews%2Dhed
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| anga |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 04:02 PM
To All,
Althoguth news says that<<>>,
this is a sad news for all Nepalese as it is not "BAHADURI" but a "shame". Do anyone know about "Sabash Gurung" from very close. There are many questions which are unanswered (1) Why did he tries to take knifes and gun with him and board an airpalne? (2) Was he ok mentally or had some mental illness? (3) What is his backgroung i.e. what activities he was involved in past few years?
Please feell free to debate because these are the same questions my American friends are asking me continuously since yesterday.
God bless all of you in US and my sympathy to his family in Nepal who are worrying about him.
Anga
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| krishna |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 04:32 PM
>To All,
>Althoguth news says that<< >emphasized there was no allegation the
>incident was connected to any suspected
>terrorist activity. The agency also
>described as “not accurate” published
>reports Gurang had once lived in the same
>North Side apartment building as another man
>now being held as a material witness in the
>Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.>>,
>this is a sad news for all Nepalese as it is
>not "BAHADURI" but a "shame". Do anyone know
>about "Sabash Gurung" from very close. There
>are many questions which are unanswered (1)
>Why did he tries to take knifes and gun with
>him and board an airpalne? (2) Was he ok
>mentally or had some mental illness? (3)
>What is his backgroung i.e. what activities
>he was involved in past few years?
>
>Please feell free to debate because these
>are the same questions my American friends
>are asking me continuously since yesterday.
>
>God bless all of you in US and my sympathy
>to his family in Nepal who are worrying
>about him.
>
>Anga
Let's try to stick to the "facts" as they are revealed. Firstly, the "gun" was a taser or stun gun. Secondly, the name is "Subash", not "Sabash". Thirdly, there has been no evident release that Gurung knew that the prohibited items were on his person an in his carry-on luggage. Fourthly, the only "smoking gun" the has been provided thus far--that he had a similar address as terrorists--has been refuted by the FBI. Also, Gurung faces state misdemeanor and possible federal felony charges.
What is going to save Subash, to some extent, is the fact that he did not step foot in the actual plane. Also, there is already the recent precedent of the New Orleans derringer (small, 1- or 2-shot gun) incident, though the man in that case admitted his mistake and voluntarily handed over the gun to a flight attendant. I'm not a lawyer, but the federal charges are certainly very serious. While he did, in fact, ATTEMPT to board a plane with guns, mace, and a stun gun, there is no public information yet as to Gurung's motive.
Of course, one must accept the fact that it is at the very least possible that he was up to no good. Let's all hope that this was, in reality, an honest mistake. Anyone heard whether he has a lawyer yet?
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| krishna |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 04:54 PM
My bad. I meant to say in my last message that Gurung had knives, mace, and a stun gun.
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| ukyab |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 05:11 PM
Saw his brief interview on CNN.
Either this guy is very stupid or has no clue on what's going on in the world.
How stupid can one be to take 7 knives on a carry on luggage?
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| anga |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 05:40 PM
Hi all,
I agree with Krishna in some extent. We do not know exactly what happened so long as we do not have full information. These days, US is itself harassisng people from South Asia in oder to search Afgani and their possible connection and CNN is reacting too much. I do not know whether he got lawyer. However, I want to know that whether those knife were small SOVENIER KUKURI or real other knifes. Krishna, one more thing , it is stupid to carry gun with him. Although, it is an accident, he can not get imunity to do blunder mistakes. All I wish is may god bless Nepalese not being charged as terrorist by FBI. I do not worry about "Petty crime". It can happen itentionally or accidentally as human errors.
Anga
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| ke.combhaire |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 07:24 PM
"If convicted, Gurung faces up to 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine, the FBI said in a news release this afternoon. The FBI said there was no allegation the incident was connected to any suspected terrorist activity."- I feel pity on him.
It is learnt that gurung was overstaying in the US. The whole nation is shaken by 9/11 events and aftermath. In such a tumultous moment why gurung decided to board the plane with weapon? If its an accident he would remember what all stuff he has kept after the security people found some of the knives during Xray screening. Then he would voluntarily give his weapons before boarding the flight( I think its legal to carry gun without bullet in the luggage) He said that he was living by himself and he needed a gun for his safety. I may sound like a country pumpkin but i never felt the necessity of a gun to protect myself in the US.( In fact i have never touched a real gun) I remember how an ordinary citizen is often mistreated by police, goonda, local leaders and bullys back in Nepal. When i compare that I find extreme sense of security everywhere- cops, govt authorities, political leaders and so on. Even the concept of calling 911 alone give me this apparent sense of being secured.
so these lead to a few possibilities
1. His connection to terrorist: It seems unplausible coz FBI would never release him
2. He is involved with some gangsters
3. He does not know whats happening around the world: seems impossible
4.He has some psychological problems
5. He is a moron( nepali vocab- Bhedo)
Guys, I am neither an analyst nor interested in making derogatory remarks to someone i know nothing of. But the circumstances compelled me to ponder why the hell gurung did that. I cant think why on earth he did that? any speculation?
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| Prashna Uttar |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 08:10 PM
Gurung. Where is he from in Nepal? How did he get into the US? Did he have a Nepali passport? Is he a student? What college was he admitted to? Who issued the visa? Has he been attending campus? What do his professors say about him?
If admitted to study, why wasn't he in class today? He says he was lonely? He says he was going to St. Louis to visit friends? Does anyone in St. Louis know him? Has anyone come forward on his behalf? Is he out of status? Is he known in Kathmandu or anywhere in Nepal who could vouch for him? Where did he buy his airplane ticket? What did he tell the travel agent about why he was going to St Louis? What phone calls are on his phone bill. Did he tell the travel agent he was going to visit friends? What was on his computer hard drive? What do his emails on the hard drive say? Has he any visa stamps for middle east countries? Is there any connection between him and the VietNamese lady (Cathy) who died of anthrax poisening. His appearance IS Nepali. His body language says that he is Nepali. He is wearing a heavy coat? Was he trying to hide something in that coat that could not be found in a body frisking? Others collect things, but do not take their whole collection with them when they tavel. A collector does not carry his whole collection with him at anytime. He is most certainly guilty. There are too many loopholes in his story. He has made it most difficult for anyone to get out of Kathmandu. You think it was hard before. You havent seen anything yet?
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| marichman |
Posted
on 05-Nov-01 09:36 PM
Let's wait & see what god will do with this veja brother. I don't think so he has a linked with bad people, he migh had problem with his kideny? or he might be going to omaha to show his knifes collection to his freinds. or he might be chakka, that's why he has a stunt gun to protect himself from others from being raped?
God Bless Mr? Gurung.
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| nepali |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 12:02 AM
Federal authorities has clearly said Subhash Gurung is not associted with the terrorist activities. Ppl are simply making their own wacko speculation and vindicate him like a terrorist. He was not smart to carry weapons, but, it does not seem fair to add salt to his injury now considering he was ruled out of terrorist connection. God bless him and his family.
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| echo |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 12:53 AM
People... relax. Let the FBI do their job. Let CNNs, ABCs, NBCs and all all the other BCs do their jobs. Why are you guys so skeptical? He might be going through a bad time (it may be an understatement!) and might have forgotten what all he is carrying. Why are you guys even bothering to go through all of those questions and concerns?? The investigation is still on... Lets take whatever comes out of the investigation and let us not be janne-bujhne and try to analyze the event ourselves. Trust me, it does not make the situation any better but definitely can make it a lot worse.
The biggest thing is no link has been found between him and the 9/11 suspects. Another biggest thing is he is in news, actually in HEADLINE news, not because of his crime (which is already declared to be misdemeanor) but it is the situation of the country and the negligence or the lack of secutiry measures in country's airports that is taking the whole coverage. The poor guy almost is a bali-ko-bakra or his ill-fortune that has included him in this whole mess. If the country would not have been going through this mess right now, probably nobody would have caught the news.
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| AttackOne |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 01:11 AM
Somebody Please explain these items to me..
what kind of gun stun Gun?
what is Mace?
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| Nhuchche |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 06:34 AM
A stun gun is NOT a gun, it is an applicator of high voltage to protect oneself and stun the enemy or an attacker.
See info on stun gun here: http://www.ddsp.com/prestun.htm
A Mace on the other hand is a spray to stop attackers http://www.fastknife.com/maceproducts.html
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| A concerned Bahun |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 09:51 AM
It's all about me, me, me, me, me - isn't it? A Nepali in custody, and lot of Nepalese are worried about how miserable their lives are going to be. Common people, there 22million Nepalese. Like most Americans, in the country that some of you live in, most of the Nepalese are good people.
This person is already proven guilty by most of the jury that have participated on this GBNC forum. Read Chicago Tribune - he did not live in the same apartment as those two Indians in custody; FBI has reiterated that there is no connection to other incidents.
He was in America like most of you are - to seek opportunity. Some of you were born very smart and intelligent and few others are lucky and get a break. And in some cases, few others might have relatives and friends that gave you this opportunity. And yet, there are others who have to struggle in a foreign country.
There are a lot reasons why nobody is coming forward:
(i) maybe he does not have many Nepali friends ; or
(ii) people that know him are affraid to come forward for various reasons; or
(iii) simply, people in his immediate community are indifferent - it's not me so I don't care.
I am wondering how the Nepalese community leaders in and around Chicago area will respond to this. I hear there is at least one Nepali organization - ANMA or something like that.
I am not denying the fact this was a very foolish, foolish thing. But, does it occur to anyone that this man might be having some problem? My only concern is that whether he will be provided with competent public defender, gets a fair trial, if he is in violation of immigration rules, gets to go back to Nepal soon.
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| kale |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 10:13 AM
I heared that he did high school from St. Xavier school....around batch of 92-93.
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| dude |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 10:20 AM
i heard the same thing, that he graduated from st. xaviers sometime in 91-92...? in any case this dude must be really stupid. what the hell was he thinking carrying knives and stun gun at times like this. and this dude has been staying in this country illegally. i read in one of the papers that they also found a fake employment card with him. feel sorry for all other nepali dudes/dudettes who've been staying and working illegally. ins might come after you. just be careful
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| concerned |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 10:39 AM
So what do you guys think about the aftermath of this incident? I am expecting a heavy crackdown by INS on nepalese overstaying in US illegally.
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| ko.combhaire |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 10:45 AM
thanks nuchhe, now it makes sense, stun gun is really not a gun. Its a small device used to protect urself from the attacker. Now it is more related to inefficiency of airport security than gurung's negligence. Lets wish gurung be aquitted without any punishment. GOD BLESS U GURUNG
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| krishna |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 10:45 AM
>Why are you guys so
>skeptical?
My guess is that much of the "concern" being displayed in GBNC posts is really based on the fact that many Nepalis are either here in the US illegally or know another Nepali who is. Hence, all the fear that "this is going to make it really hard on the rest of us".
I see three options for the Nepali community in America: 1) Do nothing and hope the INS and Justice Department don't come knocking; 2) work within the community to rectify the status of all Nepali illegals in the US; or 3) voluntarily approach INS/DOJ and work with them to legalize Nepalis here illegally. Personally, I vote for option 2. Any other viable options?
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| villageVoice |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 10:47 AM
Once again, the onus is on us - or more precisely our community leaders to come forward. Well said, Bahun.
Whatever be Gurung's fault, two things are sure.
1. He is a Nepali; and 2. he deserves a fair trial.
You all must be aware that the law enforcement officials are detaining tens of Pakistanis, Indians, Middle Easternerers (who knows maybe even Nepalis), and the cases against them are far from established. Did you read about a 55-year-old Pakistani guy who died in custody? (The New York Times had a front-page story yesterday). His only mistake: he had overstayed his visa and a neighborhood church reported him as a suspect.
Well, Gurung, unlike the Pakistani, is apparently guilty of a far more serious offence: trying to board a flight with dangerious weapons. But he does deserve a fair trial--in the US, and benefit of doubt from us Nepalis--whether in US or in Napal. Let's give him a proper voice, and legal defense, before jumping to conlusions?
Any thoughts?
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| calcium carbonate |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 10:54 AM
Gurung should be given the job of airmarshall. He carried all these stuff to protect fellow pqassenger from possible bin laden attack. Imagine if the passenegers in the ill fated flight that crashed near pittusberg had the stun gun, they would easily subdue those MF and save a lot of lives. I request american govt to think wisely about this
GURUNG if u happen to check out this site from the place where u r kept right now, dont worry, there are lots of nepali who cares 4 u. Since we can not do any thing to reuce ur punishment but those nepali who have been practicinh criminal law in this case may come forward and help u out.just be patient and never ever take this sort of thing granted. Since w e all are the part of a civil society we have to obey all of its rules to run life smoothly. I know this is a lesson 4 u but pretty expensive one! Be patient and cooperate the authority, if u dint have any bad intention god will definitely help u, I mean pashupatinath
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| villageVoice |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 11:03 AM
My thoughts go back to 1999 Christmas when a Delhi-bound Indian Airlines flight was hijacked mintues after taking off from kathmandu. Remember all the halla Indian media made about a Nepali accomplice in the hijack?
And even before listening to Gajendra Tamrakar (not sure about the name), all of Nepal said, "Nepaliko nam yasle dubaya." It turned out to be a huge, huge blunder. The poor guy wasn't even compensated - had he been an American, for eg, he would probably have received a huge compensation for emotional distress.
I am not saying Gurung is another Tamrakar. But how do we know unless he gets to tell--ALL, repeat ALL, OF HIS SIDE OF THE STORY. Thank goodness, FBI has already acknowledged that the incident has nothing to do with Sept 11 attacks and other terrorist attacks.
But why was he carrying stun guns, and Mace? I have no clue. Do you?
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| NK |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 11:19 AM
What was he thinking, Good Grief (as charlie brown would have said). Or just "Blockhead!" If it was up t o Lucy.
I turned on the tv last night just to see what he looked like and what he had to say if anything. He was saying "I live alone, I am afraid and I am lonely..." Goodness. Was the stun gun an answer to his loneliness? Really, this is just mind boggling. The nerve! Maybe the 'birata' of a Nepali. I cannot wait for outcome of this episode. I really would like to know the full story.
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| Trina |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 11:27 AM
I agree with most of you that indeed Subash Gurung made a very unwise decision
in attempting to carry all those weapons on a plane after all the tightened security following the terror attack, but what greatly disturbed me was to read all the racial epithets made by the nepalese against another fellow nepali who happened to be of a Gurung ethnicity. These people have taken upon themselves to condem not only the entire Gurung community but also all the people who belong to the tibeto-Burman speaking ethnic group. Mr. Gurung is an individual, he does not represent
the millions of Gurungs of Nepal and thus his actions do not reflect the moral and intellectual capacity of the entire Gurung population.
Here's a nepali man in a foreign land who could face up to 10 years in prison if convicted and here we are also neplese in a foreign land reprimanding him because
we are so self absorbed that all we're worried about is our relatives in nepal not being able to get a visa to the u.s. or the public scrutiny that we will encounter due to the "tarnished" image of Nepal and the Neplese brought upon by Mr. Gurung.
Those people who feel that Subash Gurung has "disgraced" Nepalese or that he has tarnished the image of Nepal, Please fill me in on the kind of image that we portrayed prior to the Subash Gurung incident.
Oh yeah, I remember prior to Mr. Gurung's arrest we Nepalese were peace loving people, embracing and celebrating our cultural diversity and sharing equal rights with every human beings including women and the kind of image NEPAL had was that of a peaceful country where a mad prince wipes out his entire family in the name of love. I strongly urge those people who are seeking for unconditional love or those who want to be accepted for their cultural, religious or racial differences to go to Nepal.
Among other achievements of Neplese prior to the Subash Gurung incident was that of robbing a bank by some bahun woman and not to mention some ambassador who popularized nepal by stealing books, because we neplese love to read books.
Mind you, all of the people who commited the crimes mentioned above came from a chetri/bahun or newar ethnic group and did anybody dare to bash the entire chetri/bahun ethnic group or say that he tarnished the image of Nepal when the lunatic prince dipendar went on a killing spree? And what about the shame the newly crowned Prince Paras has brought upon us, huh? and what about the fact that Nepal harbors terrorism in the form of "Maoists"? and the list goes on and on
and on...
But what I'm trying to point out here is that when a person who is not of an Indian ancestry does something wrong we immediately rush to ostracize that person and we strip that person of his or her nepalese nationality by calling him or her a "bhote."
When Dipendar commited a mass murder did we take away his nepalese identity by calling him a "dhoti" since he is of Indian origin? The answer is no!
And what this demonstrates is the implication that people of Indian origin will always remain a nepali through bad times and good while people who are not of Indian descent becomes a pariah, basically an alien as implied by the term "bhote,"
if he or she does something bad.
However, when a "bhote" recieves praise from the international community for their honesty, bravery, dilligence and other acts of heroism, the very people who are condeming the "bhotes" are the ones who are exploiting the fame of the Gurkha soldiers for most of the soldiers who make up the gurkhas come from the Gurung, Magar and other tibeto burman ethnic group. When the Gurungs of the Gurkha regiment are in the headlines for their heroic acts every nepali of every ethnic group is proud of their "nepalese brothers", and now another Gurung appears in the news for a negative cause and everyone feels "disgraced" by the "bhotes" and he is no longer a nepali.
What if the scenario were altered and Subash Gurung had appeared in the news for thwarting the terrorists' plans and he had saved thousands of lives huh? i know
nobody would have called him by a derogatary term "bhote" Gurung instead he would have been embraced by the public as a brave "NEPALI."
p.s.
by no means am i condoning the haphazards acts of Subash Gurung, but as a human being of nepalese origin it upset me to read so many negative postings that were geared toward Subash Gurung and other innocent nepalese people.
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 12:01 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/11/06/gatwick.arrests/index.html
VIDEO
CNN's Susan Candiotti says the detention and release of a Nepalese man raises new questions about airport security (November 5)
Play video
(QuickTime, Real or Windows Media)
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 12:31 PM
I agree with Trina for the most part. Gurung is a Nepali. One of us made a big mistake. I also wonder why did he carry all those things prohibited on a plane with him. But I certainly don't think we should be busy putting down Gurungs. Let's hope for a fair trial. Let's save our negative comments until we hear the full story.
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| Nepalko Chora |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 12:58 PM
Hi Nepali friends,
There are so many things that boggled my mind as I read through the discusssions.
It was good to see so many 'bros' and 'sis' showing support for Subash and sad to see others literally accusing Mr. Gurung, by racist and anti-Nepali remarks.
Here is what I have to say,
We must wait and see what actually happened and what Mr. Gurung's intentions were. He definitely made a grave mistake, especially when this country is going through such difficult times, with airport security and terrorist acts.
We definitely don't want to see this young lad, Subash spend another 10 years of his life in prison. The Nepali people and Nepali Associations can make a big difference if we support his case. We don't want to say he has done nothing but atleast we can give him support and explain (whatever) his situation to the LAW and give him a break. However it works.
Let us not forget that Nepal is still considered one of the most peaceful countries in the world. Our country is peaceful not because of our political structure but our people. Our countrymen have fought great wars including WWI, WWII and many others and they have shown great skills and honour. Still today the Nepali soldiers are all over the world,helping restoring peace including the present situation in Afghanisthan, helping fight against terrorism.
We all make mistakes, big ones and small ones. Subash made an 'ignorant' one. Sometimes we become ignorant, which does not mean we are IGNORANT. But let us all be ONE and support our Daju, Bhai and Didi Bahini. Our country itself is facing a very unstable political situation and the ONLY way to solve all this problems is by BECOMING ONE.
Subash, Hey man! Don't be afraid. There are lots of us supporting you, although you have done something (olloo). But don't give up and you can get out of this situation and go ahead in life.
God Bless NEPAL and US.
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 01:00 PM
Well said, Trina. I am equally apalled by the kind of bigoted, ignorant and hateful stuff people have been saying. Needless to say, as always "point to the next candidate" or "scatter when the gaze falls on you" seems to be the MO here.
And I agree, Never End Peace And Love was a Nepal of a long long time ago, folks. Our present reality is a modern third world country, struggling with internal political, ethinic and social strife, whoring itself to local elites and international experts, where minorities and women are treated like shit, where the rich get richer and the poor poorer, from where most young people want to leave for opportunties abroad, a mixed up natioanl culture that makes a thousand apologies and sufferes from such great infiriority that it turns on itself at every opportuntiy it gets.
So I guess this just made me realize we are the same still.... is there hope? I hope so.
In another vein: People are pissed at Gurung because he is a sort of a loose cannon bringing unwanted attention to a immigrant community that is still largely undocumented. Well, this will undoubtedly mean a much stricter visa section in KTM and a crack down on undocumented folks here in the US. I have to say, personally I have always thought that a well regulated and strict boarder/immigration policy is necessary to protect the interests of any nation, be it the US (vs. Mexico and now the world) or Nepal (vs India), its people and also the visitors/immigrants at times such as these.
Unregulated and lax (often to the point of being irrisponsible) immigration policies of the US in the last decade is partly the problem... for the access the terrorists had. Some argue that the openness of a democratic society is also one of its vulnerabilities, but I think one can achieve a workable balance where openness does not compromise security and social cohesion, or vice versa, where for the sake of security and social cohesion, openness and diveristy is forgotten.
The last decade's lax immigration policies also meant that during the economic boom of the 90s many(mostly tech) workers from 3rd world came and were welcomed, and now that the economy is experiencing a down turn, the atitude towards immigrants is not all that peachy. This surprises some of the newcomers, but really get real! what do you expect.
And look at how visitors to this country has abused the system and taken advantage of the opportunity and priviledge. From the terrorists to the many foreign national (including Nepalis) residing in this country, most feel no sense of obligation to the host country, they feel entitled to be here, but don't think they have to give anything back in return... be it following traffic rules, paying taxes, learning the language, being respectful of the host culture, etc. etc. Worst case scenario of course is that of the terrorists.....
If it were up to me, I would regulate immigration and focus on educating and giving opportunties to Nationals first and foremost. This should be complemented by progressive foreign policies that supports democratic and open societies, policies that are not about boosting freaky righwing dictators because they will kiss America's ass, but rather about building local capacity, transparency and accountability from leaders, sound economic development that is not exploitative... yada yada... given this scenario, there woudl be ample opportunties in home countries and most peopel from third world countries would prefer to remain there rather than come to America to be treated like pariahs, work in a shitty ass job that erodes any self respect and for most, to feel alienated from the mainstream culture, live in a cultural ghetto and to get stuck in a minimum wage cycle of poverty. so anyhow.....
I say this for two reasons.
1. I see how immigrants are treated in this new climate of economic hardship and political insecurity. How many immigratns and minoriteis in this country toil and suffer without much hope of improving their lives.
2. I see immigrants everyday who treat the opportunity given them with nothing short of contempt. Forget about being appriciative or loyal. People seem to forget that America is what it is and is able to give you the opportuntiy it does because of folks in the past who sacrificed and worked hard. The sense of entitlement without the reciprocal sense of duty and responsibility is destroying any sense of cohesion in this diverse cultural and poplitical milieu of america.
well anyhow, I'm out of gas and way off on a tanget. I guess what I am thinking is that if immigrants are documented, and here not just to grab what they can get, but actually live socially/politically responsible and relevant lives, they would have a better case in asking to be treated with respect
This will surely be an unpopular view. Oh well.
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| A Concerned Bahun |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 01:02 PM
We need to hear from more people like 'village voice, Trina, Sparsha, Krishna' and less of unnecessary trash.
He went STX, batch 92-93 - Great! Next - you want to tell me who his father, mother, sisters, and relatives are or where they live, how they live, how much they make?
I just hope for fair trial, due process, and not unreasonably cruel punishment of 10 yrs and $250,000.
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| sangam |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 01:09 PM
I agree with Trina. Lets not make it a racial issue. First of, we can start by addressing Subhash as just Subhash not Mr. G. as all the media is doing. I know its a very small step and a little late but we can get better with small and one step at a time.
In a time like this, we have to come together as Nepali. Ofcourse, we will be asked questions about him and our beliefs by coworkers, friends and others at work, school and other places. We have to keep our cool and explain our beliefs and values. It is not a time to point at each other.
I hope Subhash will get a fair triall. My thoughts are with his brother here in USA and his family back home.
Sangam.
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| sunakhari |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 01:12 PM
Maybe JUST MAYBE, this guy wasn't aware of everything that the media/government has been feeding the public i.e not to carry ANYTHING THATS IN ANY WAY RELATED TO THE 911 INCIDENT. Come on guys, lets at least give this guy a break!!!
There are many many Americans who have never flown in their lives just like lots of nepalese who have not seen Kathmandu! I'm sure those people would know nothing about the recent safety measures.
Lets all put our heads together and see if we can come up with some kind of support for this guy instead of bashing him. Any lawyers among us??
Maybe this guy is balmy and needs help.
There must a valid reason as to why he did what he did.
And who said your last name has anything to do with your intellectual capability??For those of you who have made ignorant suggestions about Gurungs and matwali jaats - you seem to be in an elite club of stupidity yourselves!
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 01:29 PM
It is interesting to note that none of our visitors actually know about Subash. (yes,
only Subash as Sangam suggested.)
No doubt Subash deserves a fair trial. I was reading a report which listed the
previous list of weapons caught in different airports. It seems to be a fairly
common phenomenon.
So, rather than letting hysteria and emotion overwhelm our reason, and rather
than letting this unfortunate incident perturb our own racial harmony, we should
provide some emotional support to Subash and other people of our community
who are saddened by these recent profusive racial slurs hurled upon them by some
ignorants.
One of the special things about law is you can't say 'I didn't know about this'. So,
Subash will probably have to explain his weird conduct, and be subjected to condign punishment warranted by law even if he didn't know about all these
hullaballoo about terrorism.But, this mistake shouldn't define the fate for his
whole life.I am also afraid this phenomenon will give pretext to the right wing
politicans in Capitol Hill to introduce those bills which are still considered draconian.
Oh, boy, what a charged environment this is!
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| Sangam |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 01:47 PM
Biswo,
This is what I have gathered so far(from my contacts in Chicago and MN):
He is a loner. No interaction with Nepalis who lived close by. There are quite a few Nepali who live close by the Chicago address he has provided and MN. Some people whom I have talked to, didn't even know his name until this case where as most knew his brother well.
Again this is just my opinion from the information I have gathered.
Sangam.
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 02:05 PM
Subash is not just Subash, he is Subash Gurung. Why do we have to drop Gurung from his name. I am not ashamed for what he did. I am not ashamed to be a Nepali and if I were a Gurung I definately wouldn't have felt ashamed for being a Gurung. I am pretty sure there are/were many many Gurungs who have/will made/make Nepal and Nepali proud. I still consider him, Subash Gurung, a fellow Nepali and hope the best for him. I recognize why Sangam suggested just Subash instead of Subash Gurung but what we need is acceptance and respect not avoidance. I am not saying that we shouldn't call him just Subash but if we want to drop Gurung just to avoid racial comment then I don't support that. What's wrong in being a Gurung?
We all make mistakes. He also made one. Given the circumstance, it happened to be a major one. How many of us think media is reporting the incident fairly?
If he, in fact, was in a mission to disrupt the lives of people or the peace then I will have no reservation to condemn him, this and only this Subash Gurung.
However, we all know, one is innocent until proven guilty. Let's put our faith on the court of law and hope the best for him. Lets learn to be Nepalis not just Bahuns, Chhetris, Newars, Gurungs....
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 02:15 PM
Sparshaji:
It is symbolical, of course.Subash in deed is Subash Gurung.Why I dropped Gurung
was to attract attention to the fact that what he did had nothing to do with
all Gurungs.It has nothing to do with racially fair and educated individual like you
and your sane comments. It was to draw attention of those morons who blamed
all Gurung community in this unfortunate time. [ I am proud of Gurungs of
Nepal, whose contribution to the making of modern Nepal is enormous.]
It is sad that this unfortunate incident has been used to incite racial disharmony
(against a group) in our society. It also reminds us the fanatism sorrounding
Rhitik-Roshan incident which victimized a lot of Nepali of Terai origin.
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| Sangam |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 02:51 PM
Sparsha,
Please don't get me wrong. There is nothing wrong being a Gurung or for that matter a rai, limbu, tharu, newar and all. Why can't we all be a Nepali first and anything else second? No one is denying the fact Subhash is Subhash Gurung but in my opinion he is a Nepali first. I don't know if this make sense to you or not but it does to me. Sorry if I couldn't explain myself well.
Sangam.
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 03:59 PM
Sangam,
I didn't get you wrong. To me, you have made yourself clear.
I know you wrote what you wrote with noble intention.
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| Mike Binaju |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 04:46 PM
Sitting in my customers lobby this morning, I overheard a gentlemen receivng his "VISITORS BADGE" state that the badge would turn red with in 24 hours, signaling that his "VISITORS STATUS" had expired.
His Counterpart stated "They Should give the same type badges to Foreign Students, for the same time period - 24 hours". It seems he was specifically referencing the "Chicago O'Hare Incident".
I wanted to take the guy aside, and have a chat. But felt it a worthless use of my time and energy.
Just curious, where do you all keep your Khukuri when you travel????
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| Rocker |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 05:10 PM
I didn't read all the postings because there were way too many of'em but anyway he's a friend of mine. I went to school with him. He was a good guy and very funny. I can still hear his "wasted sunset" guitar solo when he played at GAA hall in 1991. anyway, hope he gets out of this mess.
rocker
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| visitor |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 05:18 PM
Where is Ashu? Like to hear his thoughts on this - it is always been pleasure to read his opinions.
Visitor
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| krishna |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 05:33 PM
>Just curious, where do you all keep your
>Khukuri when you travel????
Here is an article from the Washington Post that offers some tips on packing for flights after September 11:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40148-2001Sep28.html
If you are in doubt about whether an item can be packed in carry-on or checked luggage, please contact a travel agent, the airline to be used, or the airport to be used. As for khukuris, even the little lapel pin ones, ALWAYS, ALWAYS pack them in your CHECKED baggage.
Subash's predicament illustrates the meaning of the expression "You ass pays for what your head doesn't think of". When in doubt--ASK! Let's all hope this guy is innocent and, if so, afforded some leniency by the authorities.
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| ukyab |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 05:35 PM
Just like lot of us (Nepalis) were generalising all Gurungs to be dumb and foolish after that incident, some Americans are thinking all foreign students are somehow involved in this.
Incidents like these brings out the racism inside of us.
My 2 cents.
Ukyab
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| dude |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 05:55 PM
it's not about gurungs or newars or bahun or chettris. it's about this guy subash gurung who is either too stupid to carry weapons while boarding a plane or too innocent to know what's going on in this country.
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| nepalikochora |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 06:47 PM
I think Subash did not know that it was of high risk to carry those items in carry-on luggage. He probably knew all the scares regarding terrorism but I think he had no clue that something like this would result. I have personally carried knives (khukuris) in my carry-on baggage but I would not do it NOW! And he is probably one of those guys who likes to show his 'exclusive' things to friends, so he carried them with him to show it to his friends in Nebraska.
I mean people have all kinds of stuff with them in thier homes. It's not difficult to get what Subash had. But it was very very ingorant of him to carry it like that.
My advice to all Nepali friends.
"DON'T TRY TO SHOW OFF..."
Namaste!
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| A Nepali |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 07:03 PM
NEPAL IS A DIVERSE COUNTRY IN MANY WAYS YET WE STAND UNITED
Think about it folks...and BE PROUD.
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| historian |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 07:18 PM
Ethnic Groups in Nepal
TAMANGS (Ghising, Moktan, Blon, Loh, Gole,Shyangdan,etc.) TIBETAN, NEWAR(Pradhan, Tamrakar, Joshi, Kansakar, Shrestha, Maharjan, Shahi etc.) BAHUN(Nepal, Tiwari, Sharma, Poudyal, Koirala, Rimal etc.), RAI, THARU, MADISE, LIMBU, THAPA MAGAR, RANA MAGAR, SHAH, RANA, CHETTRI, LEPCHA, THAKALI, SHERPA, GURUNG, MALLA AND THE LIST GOES ON.
Most dependable: Gurung
Most brave: Limbu
Most hardworking: Tamang
Most healthy: Sherpa
Most devoted: Tibetan
Most business minded: Newar
Most political minded: Bahun
Most power minded: Rana
Most simple minded: Lepcha
Most family oriented: Tharu
Most intelligent: Rai
Most sacrificing: Madise
Most clever minded: Thakali
Most artistic: Newar
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| JUDGE |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 07:21 PM
WHO IS THE BEST AMONG ALL OF THE ABOVE:
A NEPALI!!!
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| kale |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 07:57 PM
Subject: News from Minnesota
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 14:34:10 -0700
News from Minnesota. Subhash Gurung is a student of MANKATO STATE UNIVERSITY
.
Bhashwat Risal wrote:
> Guys:
>
> I know his brother Anand who goes to Concordia. His brother is
> the nicest guy in the world. It is a piece of bad luck, indeed.
> Their dad was in the army and like this guy who was arrested,
> Anand has always had a hobby with guns.
>
> Subash has been very frustated because he wasn't able to study.
> He is "ekhoro", according to my friends who know him. Doesn't
> talk very much and is hard to conveince, and doesn't listen
> very much. But he is a good guy.
>
> He, like Anand is extremely forgetful. His friends told him a
> number of times to not try to take weapons in the plane. He
> just forgot. Anand forgets all the time too. We always make fun
> of Anand's forgetful habits. He went to school this summer in a
> bike, forgot about it and walked home. Leaving phone messages
> with him is useless because he simply forgets. We have to
> remind him at least two or three times to do anything,
> otherwise he simply will forget. I heard that Subash is like
> Anand, very very forgetful.It is so sad. It is bad timing.
>
> It is the greatest coincidence in the world that the terrorists
> at one point lived in the same apartment complex that he lived
> in. But we think he will be cleared.
>
> And of course, he was on his way to Nepal and was visiting his
> friends in Omaha one last time before leaving US for good. His
> family knew he was frustated and wanted him to come back. I
> feel really bad for Subash. Lets try telling the Nepalis we
> know that he is not linked to the terrorists. We can help
> spread the word.
>
> Later
> Bhasu
>
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| nepali |
Posted
on 06-Nov-01 11:31 PM
We need to stand behind our brother. Any way he is not a terrorist. He just happen to be in wrong place in wrong time. There is no way he can do harm to any one. You cah not kill any one with gun without bullete, Stun Gun he has without of battery. Without battery it just like toys. And most of the american people also carry pocket knifes. It just a wrong time for him or Dasa lagya.
We all know american news agency are bios, as CNN told yesterday he has a same address as those terrorist had. But it came false. So they just told whatever they like to foreing people. Good Luck to Subhas Gurung. It's very hard to get him fair trail in arka ko Desh but we can pray with Pasupati Nath, Please give him Fair trail and send him back home.
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| A Concerned Bahun |
Posted
on 07-Nov-01 09:38 AM
Folks,
Please read Kale's posting about Subash (#82 or 83 - not sure). He is somebody, you know. So, don't go pronouncing him guilty!
Yes, we think, " How could he have done something like that? What was he thinkin?" As Nepalis, we are embarrassed, I think. And of course, the media blows it out of proportion - even after few days of the incident, some programs on MSNBC and Fox were still stating that he lived in the same apartment complex as did two Indians who are in custody. We know that it is not true (chicago tribune).
It is an unfortunate situation. I hope his family in Nepal are holding it together.
Bahun
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