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Posted
on 13-Nov-01 05:37 PM
Have you ever heard of "What goes around comes around." Fear that if you have said something bad of others, someway somehow, someone will do the same to you. If you have ever laughed at someone's misery or if you have ever belittled somone, don't worry you will experience it too. Our world needs love not hate. Think good of everyone and you wil see good happening to you. This is "kalyug"
BE NICE TO EVERYONE and love the one you are with. THe grass always seems greener on the other side. But is it really?
I want peace and we all want peace.
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| Gibberish |
Posted
on 13-Nov-01 05:42 PM
"If you want peace, be willing to FIGHT for justice"
A bumper Sticker
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 13-Nov-01 07:13 PM
I am wondering why it is that the post just seemed like a string of cliches one after the other?
Also, if this IS kalyu, don't you think "do unto others as you would have them do to you" or "what comes around goes around" will be the opposite? So actually shouldn't we be perpetrating injustices if we want justice?
Anyhow, I like the fight for peace business. I guess there are many ways to fight- Gandhi fought injustice and then so Bush says the bombing of Afghanistan is also a fight for justice. I guess to each their own.
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| BP |
Posted
on 14-Nov-01 09:45 PM
I believe that sometimes you have to fight. The terrorism we saw recently is a perfect example. I do not wish to argue with people who say that our foreign policy may be responsible. That may very well be true. But in order to protect our families and friends right now, we need to kick some ass. Then for the long run, I am all for changing foreign policy, helping educate poor muslim children that America is not evil, etc etc. But we cannot be pacifists at this moment. Those bastards have tons of weapons and terrorists set to launch at the US. And the US is all of us, because there really isn't just one American race or ethnicity. Just look at how many countries lost their people in the World Trade Centers.
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| sandala |
Posted
on 15-Nov-01 01:14 AM
I don't think 'peace' that is achieved by violence can be long lasting. And we certainly cannot justify the means (bombing Afghanistan, killing Talibans, and at the same time a few innocents) by the end result (peace for U.S. and others). I think that the perpetrators of the 911 attack should be brought to justice but not at the expense of more casualties. Let's not forget that 'an eye for an eye ends up making the whole world blind.'
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 15-Nov-01 01:22 AM
Sandalaji:
Please, Just tell me how would you otherwise bring this Bin Laden to justice?
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Killing innocent people, huh?
It is those Taliban and Al-Qaida who were killing Afgans every day. The total #
of Afgan civilians killed in this military bombing is probably a normal killing rate
of civilians by Taliban for the same time frame? Didn't you see people so happily
rushing to shave their beards, and dancing in the roads once Talibans were gone
from Kabul?
Nobody likes foreign perpetretors. Afgans never liked the Al Qaida people. The
analogy, do you think Nepali will like if some freaks from Shiva Sena decides to
lunch attack against China and USA based on Nepal? Also, you probably know that
those rich Arab kids were treating poor Afgans like slave. That's why common
Afgans didn't like the intruders.
Getting rid of Talibans was an international responsibility. I'm glad they are now
out of most of the Afganistan. Good riddance.
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| _BP |
Posted
on 15-Nov-01 02:50 AM
If you notice, the people who preach peace, peace, and exclusively peace really offer no solution to the problem. They have no concrete plan of how to solve the immediate problem. It's always you shouldn't do this, you shouldn't do that, it isn't fair to so and so, blah, blah, blah, and wah, wah, wah. It is really an annoying self-righteous denial of what really is going on. It is as if they are the only ones who are benevolent human beings who know how important peace is. Give me a break. Who doesn't want peace? Unfortunately, and sadly for those who don't have a violent bone in their bodies, peace costs. It should be free, but an ideal world is not what we live in. Thousands of patriots have given their lives to protect their countries and their citizens. You have to be willing to pay the price for peace. How the hell can you blow offerings of peace up Bin Laden's rear end? Do you think the US would risk its international reputation by bombing the Taliban if there was a more politically correct way of seeking justice for its dead? I am willing to risk my life for my country, but it really blows to think there are people who constantly belittle the work of our brave soldiers. Peace takes blood, guts, and time on earth.
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| sandala |
Posted
on 15-Nov-01 08:11 PM
Biswoji, I believe that the perpetrators and supporters of the 911 attacks should be brought to justice, but justice cannot be served by taking the lives of other innocent people. The perpetrators are criminals and they should be brought to justice under the rule of law. This could be done by treating the attacks as a crime against humanity, establishing a UN tribunal, and extraditing the suspects. If that fails, capture the suspects with a UN force and try them. With the support the U.S. has amassed from all over the world, the people responsible can be brought to justice through nonmilitary approaches.
The terrorists are not reasonable, rational people but we are supposed to be. America is always trumpeting the virtues of democracy, but I don't see justice in sentencing someone (may it be barbarians or terrorists) to death without a trial or in killing innocent people as 'collateral damage.' This war, believed by many to be just, is in violation of human rights and it has the potential to proliferate terrorism rather than ending it.
'Killing innocent people, huh?'
- yes, there are many innocent people involved in this so called War Against Terrorism and killing any one of them to avenge the death of other innocent people is not justice.
'It is those Taliban and Al-Qaida who were killing Afgans every day. The total #
of Afgan civilians killed in this military bombing is probably a normal killing rate
of civilians by Taliban for the same time frame? '
- so, the U.S. is no different than the Taliban or Al-Qaida for that matter! Moreover, there is nothing 'normal' about the act of killing humans and I hope you were trying to say 'average killing rate.'
'Didn't you see people so happily
rushing to shave their beards, and dancing in the roads once Talibans were gone
from Kabul?'
- yes, I did and I am happy for them. I also hope that their happiness will be long lasting. However, lets not forget the casualties and those that are injured and homeless as a result of the bombings.
'Nobody likes foreign perpetretors. Afgans never liked the Al Qaida people. The
analogy, do you think Nepali will like if some freaks from Shiva Sena decides to
lunch attack against China and USA based on Nepal?
- I would assume no Nepali would like it.
'Getting rid of Talibans was an international responsibility. I'm glad they are now
out of most of the Afganistan. Good riddance.'
- yes an international responsibility and not U.S. responsibility. Where do you think the Talibans will go? Or 'getting rid of' means killing all Talibans? And don't forget that the Northern Alliance is as notorious as the Talibans for their atrocities against women and their lack of respect for basic human rights!!
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 16-Nov-01 12:39 AM
Sandalaji:
I understand your desire to ask for peace. But the way this 'peace' wants America
to act, esp just after it lost 5,000 of her children, is inexplicable:let's face it.
Al-Qaida, Taliban etc are repressive forces, and their eradication should have
been overriding concern for all of us. UN could have beeen better medium to
gain that end, but ,come on, US has every right to act for her self-defense.
To give you an analogy, if Some Bihari come to Nepal, and blow up Pashupati Nath
and Sundhara, and If I have sufficient missile, I or probably a lot of nepali would
prefer to lob that missile to the town of those Biharis first, rathern than going to
UN. First thing first, and self defense is everybody's right.
It surprises me when I see 'affected blindness' in some of our educated friends
also, not to mention the political lefts [didn't mean you]. They are opposed to
imperialism, but they are also opposed to pounding Saddam Hussain when he
gobbles up a small nation Kuwait. They are opposed to communalism, but they
are opposed to fighting against terrorists in Afganistan or Chechnya.Those people
who can commit suicide to vent their anger /hatred, how can you convince them?
How can you bring them to dialogue?
One of my friends, Mahendra Ranjit, recalled meeting with one of the terrorist
fighters in Pakistan. They were in same tempo(I think he said tempo), the man
looked at him for a long time, and asked him, the first question, "Which religion do
you follow?" He had just returned from fighting in Kashmir. How do you convince
these people? Yielding to all their demands doesn't satisfy them.
>so, the U.S. is no different than the Taliban or Al-Qaida for that matter!
>Moreover, there is nothing 'normal' about the act of killing humans and I hope
>you were trying to say 'average killing rate.'
I don't support US government per se. But what it did in Afganistan is justifiable.
Most of the civilized nations, governments rallied behind it. I definitely don't think
US is same as Taliban/Al Qaida.I think US is a great nation with wonderful people.
Al Qaida etc are somewhat similar to Nazis. They wanted Hindus there in Kabul to
wear yellow signs, and also forced women to stay inside the home. They were
brutal people. If you have seen parts of US with such brutality, please kindly
inform us.
As for average killing rate, or normal killing rate, you are right, but my purport
was Taliban's normal killing rate, so I think I didn't make any mistake.
Also, I am also as apprehensive about Northern Alliance as you are. But that
doesn't mean they are acting cautiously and they are talking about democracy
now. In Afganistan, there seems to be no other alternatives left.
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