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Posted
on 27-Nov-01 08:54 AM
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=501150611
Nepali Times editor, Kunda Dixit, has denied a report in The Times of India quoting him about a possible Indian Army role in tackling the Maoist insurgency in Nepal.
"The quote is malicious, and continues with the time-honoured tradition among some New Delhi journalists to put words in the mouth of Nepali journalists," says Dixit.
"This is a sensitive time in Nepali politics, and we can do without Indian media trying to fish in these troubled waters, especially by using the credibility of Nepali journalists to their own ends."
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| Jai Nepal |
Posted
on 28-Nov-01 02:25 AM
Dear all
Kindan dixit Is the BOKA. I am sorry to say this, we have some Boka in Nepal like Kundan Dixit. They are ready to sell their mother and wife to publish thier name in foreign media.
Jai
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| Huri |
Posted
on 28-Nov-01 03:14 AM
Well, Kundan's effort to popularise himself has indeed been a successful mission. But then, he did it in a way that gained him negative fame.
How can a well established reporter like him open the gates to his own downfall?
Kundan you will always be remembered as some one who tried to gain cheap popularity, degrading the sovereignty of his own motherland.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 28-Nov-01 03:52 AM
Dear fellow posters,
Kunda has said that he did not say what he was alleged to have said.
TOI has published his complaint.
Nepali Times too has clarified the matter.
Kunda has visited this site to lay the matter to rest.
In light of these developments, let us NOT continue to hold Kunda
responsible for things he did not say.
How do we really know Kunda is telling the truth?
Well, this is where our good judgment -- sharpened at various American universities -- comes into play. Akhilesh, a professional journalist, who has
worked with Kunda has vouchsafed Kunda's integrity here. That's one
evidence in Kunda's favor.
And we all know that truth is the currency of good journalism,
and no one can be a good journalist without trading in that currency.
As such, logically, it is in Kunda's professional interests to be upfront and
honest about what he said and what he did not say.
And knowing Kunda Dixit, I do not think he'd be foolish enough
to jeopardize his standing in Nepal by uttering "foolish" things and
then not being honest about it.
So, please, as a visitor here, I request you to NOT hold Kunda or anyone
else responsible for things they did NOT say.
Trust and honesty are the currencies of Internet postings, and let us try to keep it that way.
This is just a request, NOTHING more, and I hereby end my short-lived career
a preacher on this matter :-)
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| ashu |
Posted
on 28-Nov-01 04:23 AM
Hi all,
I should also clarify that I am NOT asking people to join some "Kunda Dixit fan club."
My point is: It's one thing to attack people for things they did say, and one can do that using their own quotes against them.
But it's completly unfair to continue attacking people for things they later said they did not say, and are, via evidence, willing to stake their professional reputation on that denial.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| Trailokya Aryal |
Posted
on 28-Nov-01 09:54 AM
Dear Ashu dai,
YOU are ibviously missing a point here (or just pretending to be missing, that eitehr you know or Pashupatinath knows): The whole deal isn't about Kunda accepting or denying what he said. I have found that people in nepal have this tendeency to make big statements, and when their statements spark controversies, they just deny of having made those BOLD statements. Now, as I (and fellow posters) already pointed out that they don't really CARE for Kunda's dednial, they wnat the TOI reporter publish an apology, or atleast retract from what he/she has written. Ashu dai, TOI isn't Sandhyakalin or Commander likes which go on to publish anything without any proof/evvidednce. TOI is one of the biggest selling Indian dailies, and they have the credibility as one of the best newspapers of india. If TOI isn't asking its reporter who allegedly misquoted Mr Dixit, then I'm pretty mucg sure that your hero:-) did say that. Ashu dai, you write effectively, to the point.. so, why don't you send a letter to TOI's editors and ask them to publish an apology directed towards MR Dixit and all Nepaliese whose sentiments were hurt because of that "malicious" piecece of reporting.
Trailokya
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| Kautilya |
Posted
on 28-Nov-01 04:00 PM
laato khanchha ek baldyang, batho khanchha tin baldyang. the smarter-and-holier-than-thou attitude of kunda dixit (and his brother kanak) was bound to face a reality check sooner or later. i mean their contribution to the world of nepali journalism (through a quality publishing house and an array of decent publications, when compared regionally) deserves appreciation; but humility on the part of the goitred has a special role in the land of the lame (laato desh ma gaando tanneri hunu lai einsteininian genius sanga equate gardai kasailai naganne aham huna bhayena ni). as a well wisher, i humbly urge kunda and clan to subdue their latent arrogance, and not exaggerate their credentials. the nepali times is not the new yorker, and having a fine command of the english grammar doesn't entitle one a license to pose as nepal's own max weber. dear dixits, we like you but we want to like your more.
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| Orion |
Posted
on 28-Nov-01 04:49 PM
It seems Kunda Dixit is the most talked about man in Nepal today - I wonder if he is enjoying all this publicity ! ;) I also wonder if any single person, other than Ashu, has been the focus of so many postings on this forum. Some of you might say this is not about Kunda Dixit and you could very well be right but somehow almost every posting on this topic invariably ends up being about Kunda Dixit!
However, I disagree with some of my fellow posters and do not believe Mr. Dixit said or did not say what was attributed to him for the sake of "cheap publicity". From reading whatever he writes under his hat and in other articles and editorials in the Nepali Times, Himal etc he does not strike me as a sadak-chhaap, publicity seeking journalist. He holds some opinions, like we all do, but I think he has always been able to put forward very good arguments to back his opinion UNLIKE many other journalist in Nepal who seem to hold opinions not because they are convinced about an issue but often because they have surrendered their conscience to some political power or force. The Kangressi journalist will sing praises to the Congress no matter what the party does and the Panche journalist find will it difficult to tell god from the King and the Ey-male journalist will see a conspiracy wherever his politburo sees one. I don’t know Kunda personally, but in all fairness this guy is way better professionally than many others in his field in Nepal.
Also I fail to understand why people are talking about undermining sovereignty. Can some one please clarify how the sovereignty of Nepal is undermined if a journalist raises the possibility of the Indian Army helping the Nepalese Army AT THE REQUEST OF the Nepalese government? No, I don’t want the Indian Army in Nepal because like I said elsewhere on this forum I love my country and am proud of it BUT I cannot see how our sovereignty is threatened when the POSSIBILITY of the Indian Army helping RNA is discussed. He is not inviting the Indian Army into Nepal is he? And even if he did, do you think the Indian Army would say, "Chalo, Nepal jayenge, Kunda ne bolaya hai" and come into Kathmandu to be garlanded at TIA by Mr. Dixit?
Someone also mentioned something about Mr. Kunda Dixit and his brother writing well and therefore taking their readers for granted. I for one don’t think that is true - I have never gotten that impression myself. If they do, they always have readers like some of our posters who can "put them in place", so to speak . So let me congratulate Mr. Kunda Dixit on not saying what TOI said he said. I think people in Nepal need to speak up freely about anything they disagree with or have doubts about.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 28-Nov-01 11:52 PM
Hi all,
I have no qualms saying that have a lot of respect for Kunda Dixit.
But having that respect does NOT mean that I am their uncritical bhakta.
In this specific case, my logic is straightforward:
First, Kunda was called a "traitor" for having expressed certain views.
Second, Kunda himself denied having made such views in the first place.
After that, one can ONLY go to two separate conclusions.
a) Either portray Kunda as a liar and continue to denounce him and his brothers and the Dixits for all their whatever sins, as some seem to be doing here, without, of course, risking their own identities (not that it matters anymore!)
b) Or, accept Kunda's explanation, and, say sorry to him for jugding him too harshly (after all, calling someone a traitor on account of eventually DENIED statements is as low as it gets!), and move on.
I don't know about others, but seeing how our friends have chosen to frame
their conclusions, this has been a remarkable learning experience for me.
oohi
ashu
ktm, nepal
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| Khushi |
Posted
on 29-Nov-01 12:28 AM
Ashu, What has Kunda Dixit denied? It is still confusing too me. Maybe I lack the expertise in English language. My understanding so far is this- Kunda did say those things, but he was "entrapped" by the TOI. Or in his own words- "TOI put words in his mouth".
Now tell me where is the denial? Rather than "denying" what he said, he should be "apologizing" to the Nepali people for saying those words. I agree with some of the posters who have pointed out the similar behaviour of Kunda Dixit to our miniters and politicians (Kamal Thapa who said the other party cunningly made him sign for No Confidence Motion without his knowledge).
Please enlighten us with your thoughts.
ps: I was one of those people who did not believe Kunda said those things in the first place- I even posted those thoughts and suggested people to wait for his explaination.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 29-Nov-01 01:01 AM
Hi Khusi,
Even taking your logic to be true, that Kunda was indeed "entrapped" by TOI,
that still does not justify Kunda's being called a traitor, and that calling's
not being retracted, if not, well, aplogized for.
OK, I,as a visitor here, am willing to accept that more than an outright apology to Kunda, a RETRACTION of that original "traitor" statement would be appropriate to
keep this forum where heated but fair debates rage.
After all, whether you say Kunda was "entrapped" or whether he was "misquoted", the original charges are based, in restrospect, on
FALSEHOOD, and this is a serious enough of an issue, at least to me.
I am sure Biswo is smart, sensible and calm enough to realize this too.
Of course, if one insists on calling Kunda Dixit a liar in so many words, well,
that's one opinion -- not something I, as a visitor here, would agree with.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 29-Nov-01 01:14 AM
OK, Ashu.
Thanks for all those good words for me.
But tell me, where did I say Kunda is traitor? Show me the posting. I am tired
of seeing you repeat this charge again and again.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 29-Nov-01 02:46 AM
Biswo,
You can say that you did not say this or you did not say that PRECISELY, word-for-word, and we could go on and on.
That's ONE way of looking at this whole thing.
But another way could be (and this is only my suggestion): In a fair, good debate (the kind of debate I think you too like and want more of in this forum), even attributing what can be only be called 'guilt by association' to others is
not a valid method to get your points across.
You strongly disagreed with Kunda's view the first time you read them.
This is a fact. And nothing wrong with that.
You ended your postings saying something like "down with traitors".
This is also a fact.
Sure, logic for logic, you did NOT say "Kunda is a traitor" outright.
But that's hardly an issue here.
In debates, there is such a thing, as you know quite well, as putting together TWO or more unrelated facts, and using what is called 'guilt by association' trap.
This is a standard for ad hominem attacks perfected in this forum by some of my usual enemies. My guess is that perhaps, caught up in emotions, unknowingly
you laid that trap, and GP and others -- as I saw -- fell right into it.
Look, as a cyber-friend who has a lot of respect for you, I can tell you that this
did not seem like responsible behaviour on your part.
OK, you don't want to apologize, fine. At the very least, you could RETRACT such inadvertent 'guilt by association' so that such postings can be discouraged in this forum, whether it comes from you, me or anyone else.
Thank you for reading this, and do what seems right and sensible to you.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| snepali |
Posted
on 29-Nov-01 07:50 AM
What's the big deal about it? No reason to be harsh on Kunda. He has denied saying it in print. Indian journalists are known for attributing speculation to someone in Nepal. They do it in India and it is nothing new.
I think there are some who will go on bashing Kunda at a slightest opportunity availablet. Looks like Trailokya will not forgive him for the article that was published in the Nepali Times (#65) by Kunda's brother Kanak attributing mismanagment of the country to the bahuns over decades.
In fact, Trailokya carries his bias on Pratyush also for reasons best known to him. I know Pratyush from his writings, despite his touch of American education, is a very valley type person, whatever that means. We all show our bias on one thing or another. No need to carry on his dislking of Pratyush this far. I do like Pratyush's writings and I do like the way that Ashu presents his liberal views. And, I will continue to read Trailokya's postings with interest and express my views when I can.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 29-Nov-01 10:28 AM
Ashu:
I disagree with the points of your again.
Because I didn't say Kunda anything. I didn't say him RAW agent, nor did I say him
traitor. If he didn't make those statements, he doesn't have to worry.
See, wasn't I attacked for my views? Even if you use principle of 'locality of
reference' and the choice words used in some profanity laden attack on me , you
can figure out that the attacker was somebody close to Mr Dixit. No, I don't mean
you. But having seen people like Milan Karki, I have lost respect for a lot of people
who call shots in Nepal. Now, in such a situation, where I am equally gunned for
my views for just saying that "Indian RAW agents are working in Nepal as
journalist[I clearly meant Indian Journalists, even repeated my clarification]" and a
much generic "Down with traitors", there is no point for me to backtrack. My
statements were written in a sane mind, and I stand by them.
See, frankly, I don't like the attitude of Kunda also. When we accused one
journalist of TKP of plagiarizing, Suman Pradhan had patience to come here, and
listen to our questions and reply them. But Kunda says we need to write to him
in editors@nepalitime.com or wherever.What? Am I making comment about Nepali
Time here? No. And, you probably don't know most of the readers are never
replied. He wants to call shots at his own ground, and thinks that we should apply
the norm he lays out for us. I didn't write my opinion to NepaliTimes, I didn't write
an email to him, I wrote my comments in GBNC. He came here. If he wanted to
clarify, he should have stayed much longer, otherwise, no need to ask us to send
here or there the comments. We were happy here, Ashu, you know this. I have
this bad experience of not getting reply of even sane 'get well' messages sent to
them. Contrast this to Senator Torriceli of New Jersy, I wrote a
letter to him last year about a girl lost in Latin America and he responded me
immediately. I don't think that people are so busy that they can't come here, and
reply some sane questions. As you quoted once, from Khagendra Sangraula,
phoney intellectuals can't face questions (not verbatim). This is not accusation
again, OK. I don't want to say him phony, but I am not satisfied with his reply.
Finally, let's wrap it up. As long as the man is not able to answer my questions, as
long as TOI is not ready to apologize, I have no reason to backtrack because
frankly, I was attacked sufficiently by some followers of Dixits in the thread.
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