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| ashu |
Posted
on 29-Nov-00 03:11 PM
OK, OK.
Surely, our role model need not be Jack Welch
of GE.
Older Nepali professionals in and out of Nepal
too can serve as role models for us
younger Nepalis.
Here is an excerpt from an interview, published
in March 2000 in the now-defunct Indepenent Weekly
newspaper in Kathmandu, of Dr. Dinesh Nath Gongal.
Though I find it quite strange that a doctor, in
the twilight years of his life, was even publicly
questioned about his personal traits, and
that too, alas, about negative traits, we can
all learn from the way Dr. Gongal chose
to answer the question -- positively and
with humility.
On a happy note, since Dr. Gongal's youngest son,
Shailesh Nath, sits on the GBNC Board, here's
wishing that Shailesh Nath would do his best to
spread "this humane quality" of not being rude
to others and being patient with all.
After all, if selected GBNC leaders like
Shailesh Nath fail to follow their own father's
advice publicly and privately, what hope could
there possibly be for the rest of us with not
so famous fathers?
My advanced apologies to Shailesh Nath
if I inadvertently offended his delicate
filial sensibilites.
oohi
ashu
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Q: You earned a reputation of being very curt and impatient. What do you have to say about that now? Of course’, that in no way detracted from your reputation as a very diligent and competent doctor.
DR. DINESH NATH GONGAL: Yes, many times, I have been very rude to people due to lack of patience, a quality that I realise is so important now; and all the more reason I advice the young doctors to develop this important quality. In the process of practicing selflessly I often overlooked this important humane quality.
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| Mabi |
Posted
on 30-Nov-00 02:54 PM
Hi Ashu,
>
>Older Nepali professionals in and out of
>Nepal
>too can serve as role models for us
>younger Nepalis.
>
>Here is an excerpt from an interview,
>published
>in March 2000 in the now-defunct Indepenent
>Weekly
>newspaper in Kathmandu, of Dr. Dinesh Nath
>Gongal.
>
>Though I find it quite strange that a doctor,
> in
>the twilight years of his life, was even
>publicly
>questioned about his personal traits, and
>that too, alas, about negative traits, we
>can
>all learn from the way Dr. Gongal chose
>to answer the question -- positively and
>with humility.
>On a happy note, since Dr. Gongal's youngest
>son,
>Shailesh Nath, sits on the GBNC Board, here'
>s
>wishing that Shailesh Nath would do his best
>to
>spread "this humane quality" of not being
>rude
>to others and being patient with all.
>
>After all, if selected GBNC leaders like
>Shailesh Nath fail to follow their own
>father's
>advice publicly and privately, what hope
>could
>there possibly be for the rest of us with
>not
>so famous fathers?
I don't know how much you can judge a son with the personalities of a father.
>********
>Q: You earned a reputation of being very
>curt and impatient. What do you have to say
>about that now? Of course, that in
>no way detracted from your reputation as a
>very diligent and competent doctor.
>
>DR. DINESH NATH GONGAL: Yes, many times, I
>have been very rude to people due to lack of
>patience, a quality that I realise is so
>important now; and all the more reason I
>advice the young doctors to develop this
>important quality. In the process of
>practicing selflessly I often overlooked
>this important humane quality.
No human is perfect. Dr. Gongol is no god and contains human qualities. Being rude is one of them, that was fine with him. He paid the price for that.
I have seen you writing you again and again that making mistake is fine as long as you learn something out of it. Dr. Gongol is solely responsible for his charcter and deeds and he indeed realized/learned from the mistakes,dared to realiase positively in public and even teach the younger generations.
One thing I would like to say is: There are very few doctors (or any professionals) in Nepal who has absolutely no complaints. The dissatisfactions prevail in terms of charges or patterns of treatment or his life style or the jeweleries his wife wear,if the doctor's attitude is good and not enough for complaints.
I don't know Dr. Gongol very well but when I met with him in Bheri Zonal Hospital in Nepalgunj and Bir Hospital he showed no signs of curt and impatient to anyone. May be, that was after his realization phase.
I agree, Dr. Gongol is notorious for his bad temper (which might have been out of his control OR SITUATIONAL). No body, yet tried to analyze under what kind of situations/pressures he had to work? And what about his good deeds? Should people forget the changes he brought in the field of Surgery in Nepal just because he is bad tempered, curt and impatient? Should people kick him around for so many lives he saved for his bad mouth? Out of many qualities of Dr. Gongol, surely the mentioned one was the bad one, BUT definitely not the only criteria to judge him.
The peice says, "He earned a reputation of being very curt and impatient. Of course, that in no way detracted from his reputation as a very diligent and competent doctor."
If I have understood right, Dr. Gongol still is a very deligent and competent doctor.
Correct me!
Mabi
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| dk |
Posted
on 30-Nov-00 08:30 PM
I think Mabi's response is gay,Chakka ,response.
you din't get the punch line.
dude
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| ashu |
Posted
on 30-Nov-00 09:56 PM
Hi Mabi,
I was actually praising Dr. Gongal's
humility late in his life and was taking
that as a lesson for all of us to learn
from!!
>I don't know how much you can judge a son
>with the personalities of a father.
Not much.
Except to the extent that you begin to recognize
and feel sorry for the DOMINANT trait in the son
too -- the same dominant trait which caused the
father, despite his competence, much grief.
If the son learns, putting his raw, crude emotions
aside, learns from his father, fine and good.
If not, then, well, I guess, genes are genes.
It's a question of emotional intelligence.
oohi
ashu
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| jin |
Posted
on 30-Nov-00 10:43 PM
>I think Mabi's response is gay,Chakka ,
>response.
>you din't get the punch line.
>dude
your dirty repsonse,shame to you for writing senseless words.What
is gay repsonse mean?
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| mabi |
Posted
on 01-Dec-00 09:48 AM
>I think Mabi's response is gay,Chakka ,
>response.
>you din't get the punch line.
>dude
hi dk
if you think so thats fine with me.
Regards
Mabi
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| rin |
Posted
on 01-Dec-00 11:20 AM
Mabiji, I sense blood here. Someone bringing in personal vendetta using GBNC public space. Careful!
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 01-Dec-00 12:10 PM
Hi DK:
Just wanted to ask you two questions:
1.Do you think gays are derogative stuffs?Freshen up yourself and
try to respect other people whether they are gay or lesbian. Try
to be civilized,friend.
2.Try to use your name.Almost Everybody is using their own name
here.It is cowardly that you are trying to hurl invectives in
this public space ,that is also without identifying yourself.
Use your real name and say whatever you want to say.Nothing to
be afraid.
No hard feelings,ok.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 01-Dec-00 01:46 PM
>Mabiji, I sense blood here. Someone bringing
>in personal vendetta using GBNC public space.
> Careful!
I think this is a typically paranoid response.
I have met Dr. Gongal more than 20 times,
and I have tremendous admiration for the
humility ands concern for others' feelings
that he seems to have displayed late in
his life.
I think his transformation, which must not
have been easy, is remarkable and needs to
be widely talked about and emulated.
In Nepal, we don't see too many old folks
PUBLICLY and admitting (on record) their
life-long mistakes and
urging the young ones to avoid making the
same misakes. In this sense, Dr. Gongal's
admission is remarkable.
We all need to learn from Dr. Gongal's humility,
and in that sense, I, for one, hold him up
as a role model for us all, including for
his youngest son, Shailesh Nath.
I'm sure Shailesh Nath, being Shailesh Nath who
cares about building up strong communities of
friends, would happily agree with and even
insist on the idea of holding his father up
as a role model for us all.
So, let ho of paranoid response. Let us
celebrate Dr. Gongal's humility and
let us pray that his youngest son keeps
the flames of humility, emotional self-control
and politeness burning in GBNC and beyond!!
oohi
ashu
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| dk |
Posted
on 01-Dec-00 03:56 PM
Hi Biswo,
Thank you for taking trouble to respond.
>1.Do you think gays are derogative stuffs?
Absolutely not. Do you?
>Freshen up yourself and try to respect other people whether they are gay or lesbian.
Oh I know Mabi is nether of them.It was just his nature of writing.That's all.Just because he,himself is a doctor, a dentist,doesn't means he has to be so motherly emotional to defend his profession friend.
Try to be civilized,friend.
-I will try.
>2.Try to use your name.Almost Everybody is
>using their own name
>here.It is cowardly that you are trying to
>hurl invectives in
>this public space ,that is also without
>identifying yourself.
Use your real name and say whatever you
want to say.Nothing to be afraid.
It was just my thought.Since you all have been advocating "freedom of expression" in this forum.Why do you care wheather I write in real name or not.As long as my thought gets acrossed.Its idea that matters not name.
No hard feelings,ok.
Go finish your web-site construction.
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| kabi |
Posted
on 01-Dec-00 04:22 PM
To follow your talk about Dineshji as the role model, why don't you go about publicly admitting your mistakes also, to start with? Maybe you too have a really bad temper, or so I hear??
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