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| Biswo |
Posted
on 28-Nov-01 09:02 PM
According to Telegraph, one of the prominent Indian papers, Padma Ratna
was arrested today at TIA.Looks like things are gonna be tougher for this
self-proclaimed human right messiah.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/front_pa.htm#head5
Police today stopped a prominent human rights activist from leaving the country
for examination of a heart ailment, and briefly arrested him without a warrant.
Police arrested Padma Ratna Tuladhar at the Tribhuwan International Airport as
he was about to board an Indian Airlines plane bound for New Delhi.
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| wonderer |
Posted
on 28-Nov-01 09:12 PM
nepal seeks help, atal responds....
am i dreaming ..?
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| GP |
Posted
on 28-Nov-01 10:19 PM
Best way to unmask this masked human rightists but blind-Maoist
supporter is to tap his telephone as its emergency and let peoples
know what he is doing these days and what is his real motive
to travel to India. I still suspect, he might be travelling to
become a messenger to his leaders now hiding in New Delhi.
GP
Tuladhar briefly detained
KOL Report
KATHMANDU, Nov 29 - Noted human rights activist Padma Ratna Tuladhar was briefly detained by the police and barred from boarding a flight out of Kathmandu on Wednesday.
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| Paakhe |
Posted
on 28-Nov-01 10:30 PM
http://headlines.sify.com/317news5.html
Maoists bomb Coca-Cola plant in Nepal
Kathmandu, Nov 29
Maoist rebels in Nepal bombed on Thursday a Coca-Cola factory in Balaju, on the outskirts of Kathmandu, a home ministry source said.
Reports on any casualties and damage to the plant had not yet been received, the source said.
Latest development..
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| ekle |
Posted
on 29-Nov-01 07:24 AM
GPji,
I respect your posting. I am no fan of Padma Ratan. However, beofore you call someone masked, just know that hardly anyone that is worth calling a bigwig in the politics or even in the bureacracy, is without a mask of their own. The only thing is that they keep changing the masks constantly. At least, Padma Ratna does not change his mask frequently. He is outspoken as he is and he speaks his mind out which has got him in trouble many times.
While we all must condemn the violence, in my view, any form of advocacy in human rights is not bad, particularly in the days ahead of the emergency.
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| dariwal |
Posted
on 29-Nov-01 10:23 AM
hey, i think, correct me if i'm wrong, that when the emergency is declared in the state, the gov. has a right to question anyone it suspects. It's constitutional. In this situtation, the gov. certainly deserves much power and as it says in the constitution; the rights of press and even personal rights could be supressed. So, i don't see anything wrong arresting PadmaRatna for questioning.
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| GP |
Posted
on 29-Nov-01 06:26 PM
Do you remember what PRT said when Maoists were extorting money
and looting peoples, he said "because Maoists do not support this
constitution, so these extortions and looting are not illegal, and he
don't see anything bad". If have not heard it, then, I feel ashamed
that our fellow nepalis work so hard that they have no time to read
news and views. Meanwhile, who believes such provocator as
human rightists. Is it not enough to call him masked human rightists?
He never denied the news, so I have firm belief and I stick to my
statements. In holleri kanda too we had seen the drama played
by Nepal's human rightists. Human rightits if my understanding is
correct, they should be neutral, but, today, all most all (looking
at news papers) are masked peoples who realized a trick of
playing games using human rightist mask.
GP
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| Ekle |
Posted
on 29-Nov-01 07:37 PM
GPji,
I don't agree with PRT on everything what he says or does neither do I approve of the killings by the Maoists. All I know is that PRT ran for the Parliament seat, got elected but lost the last election. That is proof enough of his accepting the current constitution and also not being elected by the people in the last election is proof enough of his being awa7 from the very people who voted him earlier.So far, that is being a participant in a democratic process. As far as extortion is concerned, it existed a long before the Maoists started collecting it openly. A ghush or a favour is a form of extortion that still is rampant among the politicians and bureacrats. Let's be ashamed of it too eventhough there is nothing we can do about it except write a few words in this chat circus and satisfy our inner egos.
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| GP |
Posted
on 29-Nov-01 07:59 PM
Ghus nakhwaikan ta kehi kaam nai bandaina, you can
not even get a form. This exists does not mean we
justify Maoists extortion of money and looting? I
wish you were not trying to justify it, before maoists
were also looting and extortion. Here, we have to
identify two things:
Maoist movement made government more useless and
allowed govt. officers to be more corrupt. If you are
not Maoists, there is no place to report, and if Maoists
were given equal share of those ghus and corruptions
(as you can see how peoples paid HAFTA to Maoists
just based on letters and Maoist spared them and
allowed all kinds of kalo bajari). Both the things are
bad. Beofore Maoist movement, the percentage
was less, if there was no maoist movement, if
all oppositions would have worked an effective
role, we would surely have decreased the ghus
and corruptions. As you might have witnessed
in AMALE sarkar or Bamdev time, how much
corruptions were done and not only in NC terms.
Its all because the extremists distracted the
peoples attention to some other filthy issues,
and ghus and corruption went on sky racketting.
In any ase what PRT had said is never justifiable,
= just "tA CHOR MA PANI CHOR". Both of them
forgot the object of their CHORI i.e. public, and
both of them give DHWAS of doing for public.
In public suffering, PRT as (if true) human rightists
would have spoken what his ethics required to speak
as human rightists. either He does not know ethics of a
human, or he is just masked as a human rightists.
Rest you decide.
GP
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| Gaunle |
Posted
on 29-Nov-01 08:08 PM
Oh come on,
The fact that Padma Tuladhar was elected to parliament does not make him a saint! After all Hitler too was elected to the German government by the widest margin. Padma's double talk is well known, on everything from the holy cow to the Maoist terror. Of course he supports the parliament when he has a seat, now he knows that the people know his shallow and hypocritical "swatantra bam" for what it is, he is now trying to win Maoist favor so that when Prachanda rules the roost Padma will be made a minister. Now why would he be scurrying off to New Delhi as soon as the emergency is on?....Establishing contact with Sri Prachanda comrade or Prachanda's masters in Indian governemnt to chart a new 'Nepal Game Plan'? Whenver there is crisis in Nepal why do these politicians of a certain ilk run off like rats to Delhi.?
Padma a human rights activist...what a joke! Communism has no concept of human right, it is a Western liberal concept....so the biggest nautanki is Nepal's commies brag about being human rightsist!
Sabailai chetana bhaya !
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| DiG |
Posted
on 29-Nov-01 08:31 PM
I am very impressed by some of the posters who are trying to Villianize PRT. With his communist background, most of the posters look at him with their capitalist specatacles and seem to see whatever he says as some "commie" agenda.
When asked, why are the Maoist doing all this- looting, killing etc. etc.- the obvious simple answer that would have satisfied most of you "highly educated" bunch would be denounce the Maoists and say it is wrong to do this. PRT answered the question the way it was asked- Since Maoist are not following this constituion and are rebels, these rules and regulations don't mean anything to them. The question was not do you agree with what are they doing? It was "Why are they doing this". PRT spoke the truth. The rebels don't agree with the law and constitution of our nation, thus they are doing whatever they are doing. The QUESTION is not if they are doing the right thing.
PRT was also the same person who went to a Muslim function and said- The muslim should be allowed to eat "cow" or something of that sort. Most of you who live in the US with big "freedom" and have put on 30-50 lbs since arriving from Nepal is most likely the cow-fat. Now you guys are the same ones scrutinizing PRT.
I don't agree with PRT in all accounts, but he has been firm on his stand, no matter who supports him or not- now you don't see that. So I suggest all of you who are full of "cow-fat" in their bellies to throw away your own mask and look at Padma Ratna with an open mind.
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| DiG |
Posted
on 29-Nov-01 08:41 PM
One more thing to add!
PRT also said implied in those statement that Maoists don't follow the rules and constitution in Nepal, but we (or our goverment) should. In the past, there had been numourous killing by the government of some of the "alleged" maoists. They were killed first and then stories of encounters were made up. Now this is where PRT was implying the government should follow the rules and constitution. The maoists will not.
All of you with American "Namak" on their blood who think are so rightous and represent the DEMOCRATIC norms of our society are still blinded. Lower down the "Namak" a little bit.
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| My Thoughts |
Posted
on 29-Nov-01 09:42 PM
I agree with DIG in this matter. I think the contribution of PRT for restoring democracy and Human Rights in Nepal is as much, if not more than any other so called democratic leaders. Just because he lost an election doesn't mean he is an undemocratic and just because DB Lama wins an election doesn't make him a great democratic. It amazes me how the maoists problem was overlooked for years and how our rulers were busy bickering for KURSI then. Once the situation goes out of control, everyone from KP Bhattarai, GP Koirala and Sher B Deuba need no other than PRT. and Now he is being arrested. Hello! How many faces can we have?
It is a pity that the country is on hands of post-90 Democratic people and those like Daman Nath and PRT are sidelined from the main stream politics.
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| Ekle |
Posted
on 29-Nov-01 10:39 PM
I think some people have taken the issue too far and lost the main issue in process. A couple of points of clarification:
1. I did not say PRT is more or less democratic just because he won or lost an election. With muscle and money,an election is won by most undeserving people too, much less to talk about DB Lama who at least seems to have won on his own right. The point I was trying to make is the same as DiG has reiterated nicely. The point being PRT had only mentioned what the Maoists had reportedly believed as far as the issue of extortion is concerned. I don't think PRT said he also believed the same. So, GPji, it is not fair to atribute it to PRT. As a facilitator of the Maoists-Government dialogue, he is better placed to make such a comment.
2. I know there is quite a lot of people who view PRT to be a communal with his manka khala and the allegedly extreme views in faour of the Newar community. Although I am not a Newar, I do not view him that way at all. I think he truly believes in the just rights of all the communities in Nepal, be it a Kami (dalit) or a Muslim or whatever. Given the choice to vote, I would rather take the Shakya Sambat than taking the Indian BS.
Speaking of being a communal, who in Nepal is not a communal, particularly the ones who are at the helm of the power with dadu panyu in their hands? Those pade-lekheka haru know it all but either they don't want to accept it or don't like to discuss it in open. But they know that it exists. One of the main causes of the Maoists problems emnates not from the Maoists communism but from the feelings of being victimized of the existent extreme communalism which the so called interllectuals like to put it under the carpet. I think the Maoists leaders are just exploiting the sentiments of some of those people who feel let down by the government.
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