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| Reverend Dr. Deepak Bista |
Posted
on 04-Dec-01 10:19 PM
I am an Assistant Kimbo or regional director for a new religion called Sukyo Mahikari of Japan. We specialise in healing the spirit, mind and body of each living beings in this planet.
I have personally healed the spiritual disturbances of former students of St. Xavier's school of Nepal, who were sexually, mentally and physically abused by the founder of the school that is Father Moran. I have done this in our Bombay So Dojo.
In an open discussion, I had proposed that these victims of crime between 1950's and the 1980's be compensated in monetary terms. As you guys in USA, would know there is law, and it protects American civil liberties, civil wrongs and so forth.
However, there is no such law in Nepal to assist those, who suffered at the hands of the Jesuit padres, and who are forbidden to marry as long as they remain a priest (rather abusive privilege granted by the Vatican, and a breeding ground of pedophiles).
Nepal law says about "Ookhate Prahar" or about buggery and sodonomy, but it is a criminal matter. If late Father Moran was found guilty by the Nepalese court, and sentenced to prison then the victims family needed to support the incarcerated late Father Moran in jail for the duration of imprisionment. I think the law of Nepal should be changed as soon as possible to come in line with international law and relevant covenants. Don't you think so???
Most of the former student population has suffred major psychiatric problems like personality disorders, post-traumatic disorder and much more. As suvivors, they have been alcohol and drug abusers to mask the psychic pain. The sucide rate among these survivors are higher than the average population of Nepal. They have been wife beaters and have had dysfunctional sexual lives, and often having sexual identity crisis.
I wrote to Vatican to release the confessions of the late Moran. However, the Pope refused to compensate monetarily, and apolosise for the past wrongs. In a general statement, he has apolosised for the past short comings of the Catholicism.
Father Moran came from Chicago, and I wrote to the Archdiocese there. However, they have refused to speak about this gross violations of the diginity of Nepalese children (who were powerless and helpless).
The late King Birendra did not want to know about it as he was the head of the STX scouts.
Many powerful people wanted to bury the saga, as they were the victims too...they did not want to speak out.
Now is the time that the GBNC can do something in USA, to correct the wrongs of this sick American citizen in Nepal.
Mr. Ashu Tiwari came to the defence of his former school, and he missed the counter point very poorly. He certainly is confused and shows the symptoms of being a survivor of some sexaul, physical or emotional abuse. I will pray for his soul.
I hope this will be a sizzling and saucy subject. I am trying to sell the message by selling the sexaul side. As the adage goes "anything can be sold through sex."
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| Hey Prabhu |
Posted
on 04-Dec-01 10:22 PM
Yo manchay yeha pani posting garna aayo!
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| Sandai |
Posted
on 04-Dec-01 10:39 PM
This Deepak Bahadur Dalke Topi Pyuthane can be viewed by going to the google and typing out "Sagarmatha Nepali Restaurant."
He is based in Australia with his partner Kasi Ram Sharma.
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 04-Dec-01 10:49 PM
Mr Bista:
What is your point? Why do you have to drag in Ashu Tiwari's name there?
If no children victims ever came forward, then how did you know about this? This
matter can be more believable if you present it with proof.
If your aim is just to propagate another rumour, then you better find another
website. This site is not fond of garbages.
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| Lingam Rangathan Rao |
Posted
on 04-Dec-01 11:01 PM
The point Mr. Biswo is that Ashutosh Tiwari did confess of the matter in an open forum like Mr. Ian Chorvill's homepage for mental illness. I have seen it all. That is a proof beyond reasonable doubt for me (electronic mediawise).
This is not propoganda as you see it.
By the way you seem to dominate the forum as it belong to you or as if you are the moderator.
Some of your Nepali logic is irrational and illogical, I must add. You are like a "kathaputala" of Mr. Crocodile Tears. You certainly do not have credibility to defend him.
Let the man come forward with the message or else "shut up."
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| striratna |
Posted
on 04-Dec-01 11:18 PM
Hey guys, this is disturbing. Is this hanky-panky business true about St. Xaviers or is it just a joke? Somebody I know was thinking of sending their nephew to this school next year...is this kid going to be safe? No kidding, real information please!
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 04-Dec-01 11:20 PM
>By the way you seem to dominate the forum as it belong to you or as if you are
>the moderator.
Is that your view?
I neither dominate or am I a moderator. You are free to dominate, and with your
ill-conceived ideas, you are trying to do that too.
>Some of your Nepali logic is irrational and illogical, I must add.
Which Nepali logic?
>You are like a "kathaputala" of Mr. Crocodile Tears.
Who is Mr CT? If I write a reply to this propaganda, I suddenly became
kathaputala of somebody I don't even know?
>Let the man come forward with the message or else "shut up."
You couldn't have chosen the worse time. If you are looking for Fathers or Vaticans
to come forward here, then you are in a wrong waiting room. If you are waiting
for Ashu, then he told he wouldn't be here for some days.
You guys are the one who wants to make the whole site full of Ashu: whether
good name or bad name. You guys want to prove that this site can't survive
without Ashu. If you have enmity with him, why don't you write to him? You don't have guts to write to him, and you don't have guts to write your comments in
straightforward way here also. This seems to be the first time you are writing here
as your name suggests. And whatever you write, you have amply demonstrated
how moronic your views are.
If you don't know how to live in a civil society, start learning now.Don't let your
mind fester with ill wills.
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| arnico |
Posted
on 04-Dec-01 11:46 PM
This site is open for anyone to post what they want to, but we as a group maintain the standard of it by giving feedback. Right now I join Biswo in pointing out some things that we find inappropriate in this thread, and hope that others join in too in expressing an opinion about what is appropriate.
If the original poster and his friends truly believe that there was some wrong-doing and truly want to offer help, then that is fine. Please offer help. Please say that you are concerned about sexual abuse at St. Xavier, and that you provide a source of help to people who want to get it.
BUT the following is NOT appropriate in a public open forum:
1) Singling out supposed victims and naming them in public. If someone was abused, then that person has a right to remain silent and anonymous.
2) ...along the same lines...
>The point Mr. Biswo is that Ashutosh Tiwari
>did confess of the matter in an open forum
>like Mr. Ian Chorvill's homepage for mental
>illness. I have seen it all. That is a proof
>beyond reasonable doubt for me (electronic
>mediawise).
IF SOMEONE WAS A VICTIM OR HAS AN ILLNESS, THEN THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS CONFESSING!!!! And it is not something that needs to be cross-posted between web sites with very very very different intentions.... if such a site even exists (you give no url for anyone to check your statements).
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| ke sunnu parya? |
Posted
on 05-Dec-01 12:23 AM
aafaile aafailai revered, ani doctor pani, he vagban! ani tysto revered manchhe ko lekai vane so wretched!
Tghough revered doctor shaheb manifested little exaggeration and profanity in his so called insanely sane accusition, I am kinda curious if it ever happened in xevier?
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| Sfengali |
Posted
on 05-Dec-01 01:26 AM
Just responding to the substantive portions of your claim. Assuming that there is some validity to claim that such abuse occured
You cannot bring a law suit against the Jesuits for the following reason:
1. First of all you cannot sue some one who is dead. A cause of action against a dead defendant will be thrown out of the court.
2. You can sue on the theory that Society of Jesuits should have monitored their members better however this theory has a lot of problems.
a. First of all the claims against Fr. Moran will be based on subjective claims of people from a long time ago. In personal or emotional injury cases time to file a lawsuit expires after 3 years or 3 years after the victim turns 18.
b. It will be hard to find witnesses. even if you do courts will not rely on testimony of someone who is recalling events from decades before.
c. Courts do not hold psychology and psyciatry as accurate science.
d. Finally you cannot force the Society of Jesuits to turn over a confession. That is protected by religious confidentially and by the constitution. Courts never touch issues such as telling religious institutions how to conduct their business.
Therefore keep on doing what you are doing. If therapy seems to help these purported victims, then perhaps that is the most productive way to go. Help them construct and live better lives.
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| Sfengali |
Posted
on 05-Dec-01 01:32 AM
PS I am not a lawyer
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| _BP |
Posted
on 05-Dec-01 02:44 AM
Father Doctor:
You bring up interesting issues. Perhaps they have some validity. I will accept that. We owe a lot to the Jesuit priests, but they are not without fault. They are unfortunately human as well, though we like to hold them to the purest standards. I will take you at your word that you have helped victims of sexual abuse. Ironically though, what you said about Ashu exposes you as somebody who probably doesn't know how to help someone who has been sexually abused:
>> Mr. Ashu Tiwari came to the defence of his former school, and he missed the counter point very poorly. He certainly is confused and shows the symptoms of being a survivor of some sexaul, physical or emotional abuse. I will pray for his soul. <<
Assuming Ashu was abused...nice going Mr Therapy...sorry, Father Doctor. I am sure you have made a difference in his life by posting this on GBNC. Your diagnostic skills are astounding. At least you are praying for his soul, eh? Thank you for this opportunity to make fun of you. And good luck with the new religion. You must be a master recruiter.
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| some truth |
Posted
on 05-Dec-01 02:53 AM
As a former student of St. Xavier's Godavari, I am not surprised by Dr. Bista's accusations about Fr. Moran (and few others). I do not know for sure to what extent he was involved in the abuse of the students at Godavari and to what level he took his abuse but I have heard first hand from a lot of friends who encountered minor offenses with Fr. Moran....specifically fondling. Actually there may be a lot of Xaverians out there who might know this for a fact esp those who would help him set up movie nights on Fridays at his projector room. This is no secret amongst the people who attended Godavari. Counting the number of Fridays for almost thirty years at Godavari, there were a lot of kids that went thru that room. There were also some "favorite" boys of Moran in our class and I would not even want to speculate on what might have happened. Every teacher has their pet student which is normal however on retrospect I am deeply suspicious about the relationship that Moran had with these students.
If Dr. Bista was privy to some of Moran's victims then I commend him for his efforts to contact/inform the Vatican, Chiicago if in fact he did so. This is a topic that is rarley talked about in Nepali society for some reason (maybe the truth hurts or because of the fact that so few would come out and discuss their encounters) but nonetheless, the idea that Dr. Bista has taken up is a noble one - to protect the children.
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| _BP |
Posted
on 05-Dec-01 03:10 AM
OK Bista, I gave you too much credit. I read your little posts about Ashu (again) in another thread. You are just a loser. I thought you were at least a real person. The poster before me (see above) obviously thought the same. Pathetic.
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| Sangey |
Posted
on 05-Dec-01 10:26 AM
Did somebody say this Bista moron is in Australia? Maybe it's time to open a can of whoop-ass downunder. Nepal ma bhaye ta hijo nai majale dhulai bhai sakeko hunthyo yo kukkur ko.
I, as a Xaverian, am very much thankful for what Jesuits have done for my educational growth. Had it not been St. Xavier's, I would not be where I am today. And I do not think I am alone with this thought. Yes, there could've been some real or perceived inappropriaties by the fathers. But during my eleven years there, from very 1st grade to Senior Cambridge, I neither experienced nor heard from my school-mates of anything close to sexual misconduct from the faculty.
Well, we were quite enamored by this one particularly "hoochimama" music teacher, Sashi Rai, but that was us... horny teens :-)
And I am very disgusted by these guys trying to insinuate that Ashu is mentally ill. I might disagree with him in number of issues, but one thing I know is that Ashu is mentally sharp as a kitchen knife. And no, he is not emotionally scarred, and having known him pretty well in past, I know for sure he was not sexually abused as a kid.
It is best that we ignore these loathsome rabblerousers. Goo lai jatti chalayo utti ganaucha.
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| DeltaGamma |
Posted
on 05-Dec-01 10:56 AM
I am confuse , what is going on. Complain or challange.
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| sunakhari |
Posted
on 05-Dec-01 01:51 PM
BP, w hich one are you referring to? I don't see it..
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| Rev. Dr. Deepak Bista |
Posted
on 10-Dec-01 04:10 PM
I THINK REASONABLE MINDED PERSON HAS LEARNT THE TRUTH ABOUT fATHER MORAN AND ALL THINGS ST. XAVIER.
NOW ST. XAVIER CAN BE A BETTER PLACE.
WE CONDEMN THE SENSORSHIP DONE BY SAN AND HIS PRO-POOFTER AND PEDOPHILE LOBBY BELONGING TO THE GODAVARI ALUMINI ASSOCIATION.
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