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KTM hijacking ties to Al Queda

   The following is from the New York Times 06-Dec-01 arnico
     Huh, we knew this all along, right? 06-Dec-01 Biswo
       Biswo, You moron! Do not try to be 06-Dec-01 arnico++
         Please note that arnico++ is NOT me. No 06-Dec-01 arnico
           arnico++: We knew that Al Qaida and T 06-Dec-01 Biswo
             arnico: I surely didn't mean it so li 06-Dec-01 Biswo
               Biswo: Sorry if I sounded a bit strong 06-Dec-01 arnico
                 Arnico: I think that (to blame RAW fo 06-Dec-01 Biswo
                   Hey Arnico, is your last name is Pandey 07-Dec-01 poori
                     Poori, If you would like to know more 08-Dec-01 arnico


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arnico Posted on 06-Dec-01 02:12 PM

The following is from the New York Times (for those of you who have not seen it yet):

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December 6, 2001

KABUL
In a Desolate House, Vestiges of a Violent 1999 Hijacking
By DAVID ROHDE

KABUL, Afghanistan, Dec. 4 — The tiny piece of paper is inscribed with the names, ages and nationalities of the hostages. Four Spaniards at first. Then an American. A 71- year-old Frenchman wrote his name and his wife's, the last name in capital letters, the first name in cursive. One captor, for some reason, kept this reminder of the lives he once held in his hands.

This scrap of paper from an Indian Airlines hijacking in 1999 was one item among scores of documents including terrorist training manuals found here Sunday in a house neighbors said was a headquarters for Pakistani militants.

Five men carried out the hijacking: four ticket stubs from the flight, two boarding passes and an Indian Airlines Airbus 300 safety procedure card were among the souvenirs left behind in the house along with the handwritten list of hostages' names.

The house was also filled with scattered documents — business cards, boxes of cassette tape labels, sheets of blank stationery, recruitment literature and fliers — bearing the name of Harkat ul-Mujahedeen, a Kashmiri Islamic extremist group that American officials believe has long been supported by Pakistan. It has been on the State Department's terrorist organizations list since 1997.

The group was accused in the hijacking, but denied involvement. Its presence here suggests why a Taliban-run Afghanistan was of such strategic importance to Pakistan over many years: the country provided a haven for Islamic militants who could later be deployed to fight Indian rule of mainly Muslim Kashmir. Successive Pakistani governments have attached great importance to this campaign.

Along with the Harkat ul-Mujahedeen literature were more than a dozen small green artillery instruction booklets with "Al Qaeda" printed on their front cover. There also was an Arabic-language guide to making weapons that was dedicated to Osama bin Laden.

An examination of thousands of pages of documents left behind in seven houses and what appeared to be a training camp suggests that terrorists in training lived or worked in the houses.

Northern Alliance officials say there are scores of houses here like this one, abandoned since the fall of Kabul but once inhabited by Arab, Chechen, Pakistani and other militant foreigners.

American officials said they had removed chemical samples from 40 Al Qaeda sites and training bases here. This reporter visited one of those houses along with six other houses and the camp, all of which contained documents of various militant groups.

This house, like others, was pointed out to Northern Alliance officials by neighbors who were canvassed. They said they had noticed many Pakistanis and other foreigners using the house during the Taliban rule.

Some of the houses were open and could be entered. Others were guarded by alliance soldiers who allowed journalists to enter them. All the houses had been entered by Northern Alliance officials or soldiers or civilians living in Kabul. Many appeared to have been ransacked, some appear to have been cleaned out in part before they were abandoned, and in most there was evidence of some papers having been burned. It is not clear who might have been in the houses since the fall of the Taliban; nor is it clear whether anybody may have tampered with or left the documents during this time.

The Central Intelligence Agency has examined documents left in houses in Kabul, according to an American intelligence official. While the government has found some materials that show that Al Qaeda had an interest in weapons of mass destruction and was collecting materials on the subject, the official said nothing found was considered sensitive.

The array of materials found in the seven houses include forged visas, altered passports, listings of flight schools in Florida and registration papers for a flight simulator.

The groups seem to have been highly organized and appeared to share research sources and other materials. The same standardized terrorism textbooks, religious booklets and military manuals were in several houses this reporter visited.

The occupants kept detailed records, listing expenses on ledgers, using computers, setting up complex course schedules and grading their pupils as they progressed.

Books and materials found in the houses made mention of nuclear weapons, anthrax and other biological weapons, sarin gas and poisons like ricin.

There is also a lack of sophistication to the training materials and documents. While the groups may have dreamed of weapons of mass destruction, no evidence has emerged here of their actually having obtained any. Many of the texts in the houses are outdated and the plans sketched out in notebooks are crude.

But the house here and the Indian Airlines hijacking suggest that a combination of crude tactics, luck and determination can succeed, as they did on Sept. 11.

On Dec. 24, 1999, the five hijackers armed with knives and guns seized control of the flight from Katmandu, Nepal, to New Delhi with 155 people on board. The hijackers directed it from India to Pakistan to the United Arab Emirates and finally, on Dec. 25, to Kandahar, Afghanistan.

During the stopover in Dubai, the hijackers called a group of strong- looking men to the front of the plane and made an example of one, Ripen Katyal, a 25-year-old newlywed. As the men watched, the hijackers slashed Mr. Katyal's throat and let him bleed to death.

Over the next week of negotiations, one hijacker seemed to befriend the hostages, leading them in singing games and joke contests. When talks broke down on the seventh day, he threw open the doors of the plane, woke up the passengers and told them to pray. In 30 minutes, he said, they would be shot one by one.

The next morning, everyone was freed in exchange for three jailed members of Harkat ul-Mujahedeen, which opposed Indian rule in the Himalayan territory of Kashmir. The five hijackers were allowed to escape with them.

Taliban officials gave the hijackers 10 hours to leave the country and won international praise for their role in ending the standoff.

American and Indian officials demanded that Pakistan shut down the group, but Pakistani officials refused, saying that could spark violent protests. Maulana Masood Azhar, a militant leader freed from prison in India as a result of the hijacking held public rallies in Pakistan and started an even more militant sister group, Jaish-e-Muhammad. The hijackers were believed to have re-entered Pakistan and disappeared.

Numerous documents related to the hijacking were found in the house in the upper-class Wasir Akbar Khan neighborhood near the embassy district. They included a receipt from the purchase of one hijacker's ticket, that hijacker's fake Indian identity card, airport departure fee receipts and train passes two hijackers used while living in India planning the attack.

The business cards of Harkat's general secretary, blank stationery, enrollment forms and letters to leaders of the group were found in the same room as the hijacker's tickets. Letters of introduction from Jaish-e- Muhammad, ask Harkat officials to enrol young men arriving in Afghanistan "in school."

The documents could prove embarrassing to the Pakistani military, which American officials believe has covertly supported Harkat for years.

Other documents show close ties to the Taliban. One paper listed the units and commanders of Taliban forces on the front lines near Kabul and their code names.

Neighbors said the house served as a military headquarters, with scores of Pakistanis arriving there to receive orders about deployment.

The house, which is being guarded by alliance soldiers but apparently has not been inspected by American intelligence officials, includes a list of trainees' names, home addresses and code names. There were also several copies of publications by American extremist groups that described poisons, espionage, disappearing ink and exploding pens.
Biswo Posted on 06-Dec-01 05:39 PM

Huh, we knew this all along, right?
arnico++ Posted on 06-Dec-01 06:40 PM

Biswo,

You moron! Do not try to be over smart, ok?

That is why he said in the first line" (for those who of you who have not seen it yet):
arnico Posted on 06-Dec-01 08:45 PM

Please note that arnico++ is NOT me. Note that the name appears in black, a non-registered name...
If I post under my name then I only post using the registered signing in.


Biswo: I think it is useful to distinguish between what we knew and what we suspected. Prior to this NYT article (and a Times of India article quoting it), I had only seen an interview with the captain of the IC flight, who said that the hijackers on his flight operated very similarly to the ones on September 11, that he suspected a connection... plus of course the very strange way the hijackers disappeared in Afghanistan.
Biswo Posted on 06-Dec-01 08:45 PM

arnico++:

We knew that Al Qaida and Talibans were behind the hijack all along, right? It
was my point. I didn't say I read this article before.

Use your freedom, man. This is the only place where you can use such freedom,
probably.
Biswo Posted on 06-Dec-01 08:49 PM

arnico:

I surely didn't mean it so literally. Yes, the concrete proof, the paper in Al Qaida's
office, they mean something. But that the terrorists released were friends of
Talibans, that plane was chosen to be landed in Kandahar, that Taliban refused
to cooperate with authority to raid the plane etc etc made all of us suspect that
all along. My point was just that. There was only one suspect in our mind: the
group of Islamic fanatics, whose nerve center was in Afganistan.

So, please take it easy. I didn't mean to downplay the finding of the paper.
arnico Posted on 06-Dec-01 09:11 PM

Biswo:
Sorry if I sounded a bit strong in my wording.

Some folks in Kathmandu did for a while blame the RAW for organizing the whole thing, thinking that the Indian government was intent on discrediting Nepal as a safe tourist destination for growing numbers of Indian tourists. Certainly the way a lot of Indian newspapers wrote about Nepal following the hijacking fed that suspicion... although I guess to everyone the world looked different before and after September 11.
Biswo Posted on 06-Dec-01 09:48 PM

Arnico:

I think that (to blame RAW for that) should be called cynicism.

Sure, Indian media jumped at the opportunity to denigrate Nepal. Indian govt
imposed some kind of embargo. [In another note, that embargo proved to be
a costly blunder. Nepali Congress activists weren't so openly anti-Indian before
that. After that embargo, people suddenly felt India was reacting unconscionably.]
This all happened even when Indians confessed their airlines was the most
hijacked airlines of the world!

I think we need to woo some media people in India who could help us on time. But
those who are mouthpiece of southblock are not going to be our friends.
Fortunately, Indians themselves don't like those media much. Common Indians
are not uncomfortable with the notion of independent and equal Nepal.We need to
recognize this fine situation, and need to work out to inculcate in the mind of
Indians (media and citizens alike) that we are their friend, but we are their
neighbor of equal status.
poori Posted on 07-Dec-01 09:16 AM

Hey Arnico, is your last name is Pandey
arnico Posted on 08-Dec-01 12:30 PM

Poori,

If you would like to know more about who I am, then please send me an e-mail identifying who you are. You can reply to this message: below the line where you enter your e-mail, choose to reply "via e-mail" rather than "to bulletin board".
Thanks.
Arnico.