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| arnico |
Posted
on 11-Dec-01 09:40 AM
Hello,
One more thought regarding improvements to Kurakani: At the moment it seems that messages posted by registered users on kurakani also get copied/posted over to open kurakani. (I am saying it seems...because all the people's replies to postings on kurakani are also visible on open kurakani), and postings by registered users on open kurakani appear on kurakani.
Although I find Ashu's airline class analogy a bit pompous (but let's not let that distract here), I would prefer if postings to kurakani stayed on kurakani only, and that if a registered user wanted to post something on open kurakani, that person should post directly to that forum. In otherwords... let the two fora (forums?) be independent, as the humor and literature fora are today.
Otherwise I can foresee that a posting meant for polite and respectful discussion on kurakani might get torn to shreds in open kurakani... and then a registered user's respose there appear again on kurakani, interrupting the sequence of the thread... if kurakani is to stay safe from inappropriate interruptions, then there should not be automatic cross posting between the two fora of messages by registered users. ... in other words, if I post something on kurakani, I don't want to have to keep checking open kurakani to see whether I need to defend against dirt there.
That, said, if an anonymous user copies my posting over to open kurakani and starts tearing it to shreds that is fine... but then the thread there would have been started by someone else who makes clear that heshe disagrees with me.
I am sleep deprived, but hope this is somewhat coherent.
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| Gandhi |
Posted
on 11-Dec-01 02:47 PM
Than sounds reasonable Arnico.
Don't you mean registered kurakani should be like a close circuit discussion for registered users? More serious discussants go to kurakani topics and exchange their views and experiences. Those who want be in light mood visit open kurakani and enjoy.
Then why not name registered kurakani as "Chhalphal" and open kurakani as anything?
Just my thought.
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| Gandhi |
Posted
on 11-Dec-01 02:47 PM
Than sounds reasonable Arnico.
Don't you mean registered kurakani should be like a close circuit discussion for registered users? More serious discussants go to kurakani topics and exchange their views and experiences. Those who want be in light mood visit open kurakani and enjoy.
Then why not name registered kurakani as
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 11-Dec-01 04:15 PM
For all the talk about open discussion and all, I find it interesting that folks want to start a closed forum of sorts. This in group out group thing does not really appeal to me personally. I think people have to learn to be accountable whether or not they use a registered name. And I think if someone starts some stupid discussion, the best thing to do is use our social control mechanism of not participating in their thread or not engaging with them or telling they to go you know where. One cannot mandate certain things and this seems to me to be one such attempt. Also, from what I can tell, the registration is pretty lax, you can put all sorts of fake info in there, so where is that accountability thing there? This arguement seems oen that is pushed forth by only a few people. I hope there will be a survey done of all users berfore the discussion forum is hacked to peices.
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| _BP |
Posted
on 11-Dec-01 04:47 PM
Forget it, every body should have to register to post things on the site. People are talking as if this is violating their god-given civil liberties. Not.
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 11-Dec-01 05:02 PM
Whatever, BP. Stop getting on your high horses. You just missed all the old threads about how peopel should be able to say whatever wherever bisness and how *censorship* is a no no. I am just pointing out the in-your-face lack of consistency. I have no problems being a registered user... if at all... but let's not assume that registered users cannot be stupid and offensive. I think there are other ways of keeping things in line the way most would like them to be and that does not require a fake name and email address.
BTW we'll in in town soon, so let us know if you want a fist fight in your own town!
:-)
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| SIWALIK |
Posted
on 11-Dec-01 07:56 PM
I think freedom also includes freedom to be stupid and make a fool of onself. However, the problem here was some irresponsible. malicioous postings. But if discussion is limited to only limited registered users who want to claim themselves as somehow on a higher plane than others, it is not serving building of a democratic society at all.
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| _BP |
Posted
on 11-Dec-01 08:50 PM
ANepaliKT...you know what I am talking about. You can carry this freedom of speech thing way too far. We should stop arm-chair politicking and just start having a fun time again on this site. Grumble grumble, argue argue...I don't need to come on this site to get that! The reason I come here is because I thought we have something special going on here. I bet you think burning the flag is OK too? I don't. Believe it or not, most people believe the same even in this most liberal country.
The bottom line is, we all know what the "right" thing is, but let us also do the practical thing so we can have a good time, eh?
I am already regretting writing this, because I know it will only backfire :(
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| _BP |
Posted
on 11-Dec-01 08:52 PM
Siwalik, stop with this "higher level of people" BS. We just think it is a good idea to be registered so bad seeds (= people who continuously perseverate on pedophilia and provide us with many gory-detailed titles every hour) can be stopped with ease. Good lord. Does everybody have a "political correctness" statement to make?
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| _BP |
Posted
on 11-Dec-01 08:54 PM
Democratic society? We are not running a country here. We are Nepalis spread out all over the world trying to communion, exchange some guff-suff. We are not the vatican either. When you guys hang out with your friends, do you talk like this all the time? I don't think so...:)
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| arnico |
Posted
on 11-Dec-01 11:19 PM
A quick response: I never said we should have a bulletin board that is only open to registered users... let anyone read, but if you want to post, you should register first. And if you don't want to register or don't want to take responsibility for what you post, then post on the open bulletin board.
I never said anything about not having fun, or not being stupid on the bulletin board for registered users... I am just worrying about there being too many cross-references between the two boards that I, personally, think should be separate.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 12-Dec-01 01:55 AM
>A quick response: I never said we should
>have a bulletin board that is only open to
>registered users... let anyone read, but if
>you want to post, you should register first.
Agreed.
> And if you don't want to register or don't
>want to take responsibility for what you
>post, then post on the open bulletin board.
>I never said anything about not having fun,
>or not being stupid on the bulletin board
>for registered users... I am just worrying
>about there being too many cross-references
>between the two boards that I, personally,
>think should be separate.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 12-Dec-01 02:01 AM
>A quick response: I never said we should
>have a bulletin board that is only open to
>registered users... let anyone read, but if
>you want to post, you should register first.
Agreed.
> And if you don't want to register or don't
>want to take responsibility for what you
>post, then post on the open bulletin board.
This is a SENSIBLE compromise.
>I never said anything about not having fun,
>or not being stupid on the bulletin board
>for registered users...
Agreed.
> I am just worrying
>about there being too many cross-references
>between the two boards that I, personally,
>think should be separate.
San, I share Arnico's concerns here.
Please do look seriously into creating ANOTHER box specifically
along the lines of what Arncio has suggested.
oohi
"proud to be a registered user who takes full responsibilty for all his postings"
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| Paakhe |
Posted
on 12-Dec-01 09:36 AM
I am an unregistered user and I have no intention of registering. I don't know why I have certain repulsion toward registering in any internet site. Still, I have no intention of defaming or slandering other person's character.
Saying this, I have one more suggestion for Open Kurakani and Kurakani:
Thread created in open kurakani by an unregistered user should not be shown in registered section. It makes the thread out of context. I have been experimenting with one thread, namely "Returning home after 10 years..." or something like that, and when I looked that thread in the registered kurakani, it didn't make sense at all. Because opening posting was missing there. The effect of opposite case might not be that much intense, in my view.
Give it one thought.
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| SIWALIK |
Posted
on 12-Dec-01 03:14 PM
_BP: So what you are saying here is that this forum is only for those of you who have personal connection and want to exchange some light-hearted banter. I am sorry to have intruded into your play field. The first time I came here, there was this lenghty posting about plans for augmenting Nepal's status in the world, and there were various suggestions. It impressed me enough to revisit this site and post some "dumb" topics and give my "humble" opinions, without being aware that this is not what the forum is about. I humbly beg your pardon.
In my world, open discussions and free exchange of opinion are, hallmark of building democratic society in Nepal, and forums like these are only a beginning. Well, my hopes are dashed, and it is not even anyone else's fault. It still befuddles my lowly mind trying to figure ut what it means being a registered or unregistered user. Democratic society is based on equality of all, whether one is a prince or a pauper. Falling into this trap of categorizing participants in this forum smacks of, in lack of better word, "elitism". If the discussants in this forum are not "bright" enoughg to discern ridiculous postings without disgust toward the perpetrator of such topics, then maybe this site is not, as it was claimed to be, for the "best and the brightest Nepalis."
I rest my case.
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| _BP |
Posted
on 12-Dec-01 04:31 PM
Siwalik: I make no claims for the site. I use it just to make some contacts, and friends etc. I was referring to how one takes small issues in this site to state how it could "cause the downfall of the democratic system," etc etc. Trust me, I am not trying to be self-righteous or pretending to be smarter than anyone else. I just think that people should be allowed to have fun, but not to the extent that you should be allowed to spew garbage all around. Doesn't that make sense? It makes a whole lot of sense to me. Maybe I am the one who really is simple-minded, I don't know.
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| _BP |
Posted
on 12-Dec-01 06:28 PM
Siwalik, I can't believe you. How can you say this is elitism when San is just trying to screen out unwanted visitors who spew profanity and send him personally threatening e-mails? Get a hold of yourself young man. This is a goods thing. As I have said before, democracy will not collapse because of this move. Anyone who communicates civilly is welcome to register. Is that elitism? I think you just like to argue the point, because you want to be cantankerous.
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| Gandhi |
Posted
on 12-Dec-01 07:32 PM
The problem here is not with San doing sort of registration thing. He maintains this site and the day he decides to close it, we are left with nothing to stop him from doing so. It is great that he honours his own site by frequently updating and making more user friendly taking suggestion from all of the visitors.
What is irritating to some of the poster, even to me, though I am registered, we often write suggesting one should do this not that. That may hurt people's heart (mind) than wining it. Those who want registered will go ahead and those who don't want, let them be.
It will be detrimental to say that they will not be entertained/taken seriously or taken as irresponsible. Good ideas are not always coming from registered users and not always are the non-registered the foul mouthed. Visitors will be automatically attracted to register if there is added benefit of doing so. See, I got one advantage of registration - I can search all the topics in different way once I am registered which non-registered visitors may not get it. That's the way to go San.
What I have learned that We can make things better, at least keep from deteriorating, if we participate. If you ignore or marginalize someone/something, that will never improve. Right?
Mero dui paise musing (Hariji ko boli): Hari ji where are you these days? Or have you changed your name to something?
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| no name |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 10:29 AM
It is not like that at all - registering is a matter of choice :yes but being someone who would not like to register to drop a few lines if and when i feel like it - i feel that i am kinda an intruder: as if only the ones who participate enthusiatically; have all the credentials; etc etc are supposed to be here and that i am just poking my unwanted nose in such an "oh! so great" ppls community.
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| SIWALIK |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 12:28 PM
Now, do you see the consequence of what was initiated? In the name of curbing those who have "smut" mouth,lot of others are being isolated. I suggest all of you who were the champions of fre speech may learn a few things if you watch "People Vs. Larry Flint." I do not think the solution sought in this forum has been the right one.
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| NK |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 02:33 PM
Gandhi, i wondered about the same thing. where in the world is Hari?
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| krishna |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 05:29 PM
>I am an unregistered user and I have no
>intention of registering.
I'm with you. Has the site administrator accounted for the process by which the decision was made to bifurcate/dichotomize Kurakani? Does registered users' accountability extend only to other register users?
This development does not surprise me, as Nepal is, traditionally, a closed society in which individuals are primarily ACCOUNTABLE to fellow members of "in"/aaphno groups to which they belong. If the site administrator asked me, I would say choose one system or the other, but not both, as it can be--uncomfortable--to straddle the fence.
Back in black,
krishna
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| Site Admin |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 06:59 PM
Hi Krishna, as you can see now the site is back to the original state pending the results of the voting (as in a democratic society). For more reference please visit http://www.gbnc.org/forum/cfm/OpenThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=2691#11457
I agree that I was hasty in making the changes, but who wouldn't be if they start receiving threatening emails! But anyways things are back to normal. Please do enjoy the site and do feel free to send your comments, suggestions as usual.
Regards.
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| cybepal |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 07:24 PM
San
Do you really have to take those threats seriously?? Isn't blocking their IP address good enough to prevent them from posting here and blocking their e-mail address good enough to stop receiving e-mails from them?
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| noname |
Posted
on 15-Dec-01 09:04 AM
Thanks a lot san.
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| Assutoss |
Posted
on 15-Dec-01 09:34 AM
This whole problem was started by nobody but the one and only Asshutosh, who does not know his left nut from his right. Who the hell is he to come and tell us what to do ? Mr politically correct ? Who is descriminating against who here ? I thought we are all equal. But noooooo Mr Know it all wants to form a posse with his imaginary pompus friends. He does not want us commoners there. Look at yourself, you with your high idels an all is nothing but a HYpocrite. I think we should isolate his ass instead. Ban him from this site.He good for nothing but creating trouble every where he goes. All he does is Yak Yak Yak. The reception on his devine antenna is not working properly, we have to keep reminding him where he belongs every once a while. Just go back in the closet and mind your own business(wipe those hairs off yo palm too). He has to poke his smart ass nose into everyone's business.
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| SIWALIK |
Posted
on 15-Dec-01 07:14 PM
Sounds like there is some sense here after all. Polling is a good idea and generating discussion is welcome. The change was made in haste, and was in a bad taste.
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