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| ashu |
Posted
on 12-Dec-01 06:00 AM
Hi folks,
December is a good month to go bungy-jumping in Nepal.
Check out: http://www.visitnepal.com/thelastresort/
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Going bungy-jumping in Nepal
By Ashutosh Tiwari
How would you like to close your eyes and fall headlong from a bridge, stationed at a height of 160 metres . . . into an ice-cold, boulder-filled and ragingly foaming Himalayan river? If that sounds like a fun way to spend a part of your Saturday afternoon, then welcome to the sport of bungy jumping, available, since early 2000, at a price in this country of mountains long known for, well, heights.
It was late last year when three friends and I, looking for a way to escape Kathmandu to finish up the year on an adventurous note, decided to go bungy jumping. We knew very little about the sport, of course — except that, on and off, we had caught a few bungy visuals on a foreign TV show or two (most memorably in an Aerosmith music video).
The idea that seemingly sane people would climb up to insane heights only to come crashing down to the earth with nothing but elastic cords tied to their body parts was frightening and exciting. We had to explore this fright and the excitement for ourselves. That we could explore all this not too far from Kathmandu in one afternoon and still be able to make it home by the evening to sleep off the ‘jump-lag’ only added to our thrill.
And so we left, at seven on one chilly December morning, for The Last Resort in Sindhu Palchowk district. From Thamel, our bus, carrying about 20 potential jumpers, wound its way towards the northern directions, through the bazaars of Koteswor, outer Bhakatpur, Dolal Ghat and others. The final stretch of the Kodari Highway was uneven, thereby rattling the bus sideways and up and down, and giving us all a good workout on our seats. But around midday, the bus did reach — like a caterpillar completing, at last, that lurch towards the end of the leaf it’s chewing on — our destination, within 12 miles of the Nepal-Tibet border.
Getting off the bus to stretch our legs, we soon forgot our hunger upon seeing the wiry mesh of the 166-metre-long suspension bridge atop a yawning gorge. A fast, furious and cruel Bhote Koshi river swirled below. The whole scene came upon us as though it had sprung to life from the Marlon Brando movie Apocalypse Now. As the sun shone warmly high above, turning the jagged grey peaks of rock yellow on one side of us, and as crisp air from Tibet blew in our faces, all we could do was shudder in silence with nervous anticipation.
The Last Resort folks — two New Zealanders, one Nepali and one Israeli — did their best to make us feel comfortable. After welcoming us with coffee and a light lunch of noodles and potatoes, they gathered us all together, and started rattling off the procedures, before weighing each of us. It was obvious that these bungy-masters had done the explanations hundreds of times (a la the flight attendant who tells you about those emergency exits just as your plane is about to take off), were thorough in the mastery of their methods, and knew how to have fun helping people throw themselves off the bridge.
Meantime, their good-natured ribbing was enough for some of us to start reconsidering the sheer lunacy of what we had set out to do. After all, think about this: who in a right frame of mind in Nepal would pay a little more than 3000 rupees (that too, at a heavy discount for Nepalis) for the pleasure of diving headlong from the side of a bridge into the yawn of nature?
But happily, as I saw it with my own eyes that day, around 20 or so Nepali and non-Nepali men and women - each with a varying degree of interest in adventure tourism - would really put themselves in that ‘lunatic’ frame of mind to pursue the ultimate adrenaline kick, and, to the best of my knowledge, survive well enough to tell the tale to all who would listen. Considering that the Statue of Liberty on Ellis Island in New York is only 92 metres tall, and that a 25-storey building is about only 76 metres tall, it was no small achievement to have jumped off a height of 160 metres.
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| ashu |
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on 12-Dec-01 06:01 AM
So how did the jumpers — forgetting careers, families and everything else - choose to make the plunge? Good psychology certainly helped. Knowing that that the Swiss-tested and New Zealand-managed safety standards would work just fine put all first-timers mentally at ease. And the suspension bridge, we were reassured, was not going to snap under the weight of our collective excitement. That was because it was designed and constructed with a loading factor of 41,500 kg.
Plus, the fact that the bridge functioned as a jump-platform for jumpers, a backstage for the bungy-masters to pull up the pulleys, and a balcony space for onlookers to cheer at his each jump while remaining a short-cut for Tamang villagers to get to the other side of the river in less than three minutes (earlier, they used to trek up and down for five hours) made all feel like they did not want to let it down by not, well, jumping down from it, especially after having come all the way from Kathmandu for bungy-jumping!
And so, with the issue of ‘hardware’ settled safely, it was easy to turn attention to the science behind each jump. Each jump takes about 15 minutes from start to finish, and once your turn comes, the bungy-masters beckon you to the middle of the bridge. There, they strap you onto a chair that is locked tight against the bridge linings so you can sit but can’t move. And once you are seated, the bungy-masters wrap, with velcro, the y-shaped end of a thick manufactured-in-Malaysia but made-and-knotted-in-Nepal elastic rope onto those parts of your legs, where the ends of your socks hug your calves tight.
Since the rest of that mammoth rope, which looks and feels as if it were one long anaconda, is already down the bridge forming a U-shape under the bridge and over the river, all you do is quiver as you sit alone to feel the unmistakable pull of gravity on your legs and then on your whole body.
Meanwhile, to maintain balance, the bungy-masters drop down a vessel that’s slightly more than your weight, and take great care to keep a pulley-like system in place. Soon, the lock to your chair is open, and you are able to stand and walk about four paces forward onto the foldable iron mat, which juts out from the middle of the bridge.
You grab on to the railings that are now behind you, and you take a deep breath as you look sideways, front and down. Sideways, you see your friends and onlookers cheering you on; up ahead, you see calm, green hills, majestic in their remoteness; and, down below, you see the blue and naked waters of the Bhote Koshi River, and hear their roar amplified all the more by the big boulders.
And then, you open your palms to let go of the railings behind, and think of that Van Halen number as you move forward into the river from a height of 160 metres. Only then, you know that you have jumped . . . from one of the highest bungy-jumping heights on the planet. As your whole body, respecting Newton’s laws, lurches headlong into the river, the U-shape of the rope quickly morphs into one giant elastic band so that you are soon turned into a yo-yo. As your heart beats like crazy, and blood seems to rush out of your system, and you feel as though you are going to smash yourself into pieces at that boulder below, you suddenly feel a gentle tug, which soon takes you back to the way of the bridge up above.
No uncomfortable jerks. No abrupt pulling and pushing. No spinning out of control, and no swinging wildly from side to side. But a bounce so soft and gentle that you feel as though you have been pulled up to float (yes, float!) all the more on air. Then the gravity pulls you down again, followed again by the upward bounce, and this up and down bounce goes on very gently for less than a minute until you become completely suspended, as it were, in a sort of an orgasmic bliss. Only then the jump-masters up on the bridge start using the pulley-system to pull up the vessel so that you can be lowered to a sandy patch by the river.
Soon, you are able to wave at your friends below you, and grab hold of a long stick, pushed in your way by one of the Last Resort folks. Once you grab the stick, it’s only a matter of minutes before they help you land, and open up the velcro straps on your legs so that the rope can be pulled up to strap on to the calves of another jumper up on the bridge.
Finally, we Nepalis have long prided ourselves on being citizens of a country of tall mountains. Indeed, mountaineers among us have long appreciated the heights from which they can go around the world. But for those of us who have neither the time nor the inclinations to be a mountaineer, spending an afternoon bungy-jumping from a height may well be one adventure through which we can experience the world within ourselves.
(First published in The Sunday Post, July 29, 2001)
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| ashu |
Posted
on 12-Dec-01 06:09 AM
For those of you interested in paragliding in Nepal, check out:
http://www.nepal-paragliding.com
I'll share my experiences after some friends and I complete one session of paragliding up in the mountains in a few weeks.
It's great to be a citizen of a country that affords so many adventure
sporting possibilities for fun and to deepen one's appreciation for Nepal!!
oohi
ashu
ktm, nepal
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| sally |
Posted
on 12-Dec-01 09:38 AM
Seems like a sport tailormade for Nepal. Isn't living in Nepal a lot like bungy jumping anyway???
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| ashu |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 06:20 AM
Sally wrote:
>Seems like a sport tailormade for Nepal. Isn't living in Nepal a lot like
>bungy jumping anyway???
Well, not really.
>Isn't living in Nepal a lot like bungy jumping
>anyway???
Well, not quite, Sally, not quite.
Of all people, you should know better!!
Granted, in Kathmandu and other towns here,
there is no:
Starbucks or
Borders or
art-house or even "good" commercial movie theaters or
NPR/PBS or
live or late-night comedy shows or
even GAP stores or
supermarkets that offer multiple selections or
decent libraries or
roads that lend themselves to a smooth drive or
hot cinamon bagels with cream cheese or
totally free Internet access or
Ben & Jerry's ice-cream or
copious supplies of M&M's or
adequate parking room in PUBLIC space or
whatever else,
Life in Nepal -- far from being scary -- can be quite enjoyable -- full of opportunities for personal and professional growth, and full of fun, hardwork, simple and solid friendships, laughter and all that.
I guess a lot depends on how you approach the usual setbacks,
obstacles, hassels and all that that's, on the balance, more
common in Nepal.
My impression is that people who do better on systems that are already built up and up and running (like those in the US) generally find Nepal a difficult and frustrating, scary place.
But those people who don't mind putting up with inconveniences/obstacles/hassels and so on -- while working on private sector development or education or adventure tourism or whatever -- seem to find
find plenty of expected and unexpected challenges -- even gallows humor -- that keeps them engaged and energized in Nepal.
So, next time you are in Kathmandu, Sally, allow me the pleasure of
showing you some of the good, positive and optimistic things that are
happening here.
Bungy-jumping can be a lot of fun; but life in Nepal need not be mirror the kind of the free-fall such jumping implies.
oohi
"loved being in the US; loving being in Nepal -- but greatly missing a decent bookstore with great coffee."
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| sally |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 10:37 AM
Hey Ashu,
You made the logical fallacy of assuming that I was equating bungy-jumping with falling off a cliff, which would have made it a negative comparison. Wasn't part of the point of your bungy-jumping article to show that it's NOT like falling off a cliff, and it's NOT necessarily insane?
On the similarities between bungy jumping and life in Nepal (especially returning to Nepal when you have other choices):
Both require a leap of faith.
"Good psychology certainly helps."
A lot of people will call you insane. (But a truly insane person wouldn't be very successful at it!)
To do either one, you have to enjoy the feeling of a "dive into the yawn of nature." As in, there aren't as many protections from an already-in-place system (as you mentioned). As in, it's currently December, and I bet that you're sitting at your computer with a space heater somewhere by your feet ... and that the daily greeting wasn't namaste but "kasto jardo chha" ... whereas here in the US the concern is whether we're OVERdressed for our overheated offices. Personally I adjust pretty easily to the space heater lifestyle, but to be in Nepal, as I expect you'd agree, a person has to not mind--or even like--being closer to nature, even in its less comfortable aspects!!!
They're both a bit dangerous. But they're not as dangerous as a lot of people would think.
They're both expensive. I bet that you, Ashu, could be making a whole lot more money in the US than in Nepal! So to live in Nepal when there are other choices, a person has to not mind the comparative loss of income. Same with bungy jumping. The price has to be worth it to the person who's doing it, right?
If your equipment is good, and you're pretty well balanced, and have the right attitude, it may LOOK like a freefall and even FEEL like a freefall ... but it really isn't. I understand that it can even be quite exhilerating!
You know, I'll probably be back in Nepal someday, and when I am, I'm sure I'll miss Chocolate Raspberry coffee and really good pizza. (You left that one out! Fire and Ice is fine in its way, but it's not exactly spinach and feta on a deep dish whole wheat crust.) But in the US, I miss chia breaks, and good momos and achars, and neighbors and friends dropping by to visit without feeling a need to make an appointment weeks in advance on their palm pilots. Perhaps most important, I miss the feeling that, in Nepal, one person can--in spite of all the boulders that threaten to get in the way as you "leap"--make a small but real difference, and do very interesting work in a very interesting place on this planet.
But I still say it's like bungy jumping. It takes a certain type of person to do either bungy-jumping or returning to Nepal. I notice, Ashu, that you've done both :-)
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| dariwal |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 10:59 AM
Ashu(dai),
Great to hear your experience. I'd love to see more of those.
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| sunakhari |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 01:14 PM
"My impression is that people who do better on systems that are already built up and up and running (like those in the US) generally find Nepal a difficult and frustrating, scary place. "
Ashu, I know of plenty of people who do very well in organized systems and are doing fantastically in Nepal as well. There are expats who have been living in Nepal for years and years even though they've come to back to their country and gone back.
I guess they must enjoy the real-life bungee jumping!
And I wouldn't want to insinuate that our "system" is disorganized and isn't up and running!! Its just the way our system is. Its different!!
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| sunakhari |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 01:18 PM
Sorry missed a chain of thought - happens when one's being a kaam chor!!
"There are expats who have been living in Nepal for years and years even though they've come to back to their country and gone back. "
Please read as:
There are expats who've been living in Nepal for years on end and although they've gone back to their respective countries, they've chosen to go back to Nepal again.
Cheers (matwali that I am, its instictive to think of booze - if anybody has ever wondered why I always said that)
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 03:17 PM
Dear Sally:
May be some people earn more money in Nepal than they are in USA.
I think the charm of USA is not only money, but a lot of other things like education
institutes, health facility, cosmopolitan environment and security (well, kind of).
A lot of those who are in USA do their grocery themselves, washes their clothes,
and drive themselves. To get a driver here, you need to be Bill Gates(kind of). The
situation in Nepal is different(I am not proud of that, though). Most of these
people who are in USA probably can afford to keep housemaid, helper, and
chauffeur back in Nepal even if they end up being a small time businessman, or
university professor, or bureaucrat.
These things are debatable. But still for most of the people that is true. So I find
it difficult to agree wholeheartedly with 'comparative loss of income' statement.
However, I enjoyed reading your posting again after a long time. Your postings
are always informed and stimulating.
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| Cyberpal |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 03:28 PM
This happened to a person I know:
This person goes to one of the best schools in USA. Aspires to land reputed jobs in places like Wall St etc. etc. For one reason or other (and there could be plenty of reasons) is unable to get any job and due to visa status and all that has to return back to Nepal. Now the person is somehow by own volition came back to Nepal to work in Nepal.
Don't you have to take this person's ethics with a grain of salt??
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| cyberpal |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 04:14 PM
I meant sincerity with a grain of salt.
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| sally |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 05:08 PM
Well, it always helps to take EVERYTHING with a grain of salt, don't you think? And you know, everyone has a million reasons for what they do in life. I wouldn't presume to judge someone's sincerity unless I really, really, really knew the circumstances and person incredibly well.
Anyway, Biswo (sharp as always!), let me just add that I meant “comparative loss of income” as a relative statement. For some people it’s more of a loss, for some less. It’s also a bit of a “six of this, half a dozen of the other” situation. When I lived in Nepal, I could afford a nanny but not a car. Here I can have a car, but not a nanny.
And sometimes, really, having help in Nepal is pretty much the same as living here WITHOUT any help! Did I spend more time grocery shopping in KTM because I did it briefly every day at the local pasals, or do I spend more time grocery shopping here, because I make big trips of an hour or more once or twice a week to Safeway? In Nepal, the housekeeper swept and washed the floors daily. Here, I do it, but I don’t have to do it daily cuz there’s not as much dust. See what I mean? It sort of balances out. I’m not sure that having a servant necessarily translates to a life of luxury. (Especially for Nepali women, cuz even in a lot of rich families, the daughters-in-law end up doing a lot of work regardless of their education.)
But if you’re going to talk about income loss: In the US, a highly educated, professional-level Nepali would probably end up having a bigger house (with central heating/air conditioning/nice yard/maybe a pool), two cars, lots more money to spend on the kids’ college tuition some day, etc etc. That may not be the ultimate, deciding factor for everyone. But I think there is, in fact, a comparative loss of income for most people–which, realistically, is part (not all) of why folks who have a genuine choice don’t often go from the rich country to the poorer, in spite of the servants and drivers.
I definitely agree, though, that the cost-benefit analysis isn’t all economic!!! An IT professional might simply find that it’s more interesting to work in the US and make cutting-edge advances. Whereas someone in the development sector, wildlife biology, agricultural economics, or whatever might find Nepal more interesting. Especially if they're not cutting off other options for the future by making that choice.
Lots of things factor into the choices people make. Including personality, flexibility, what values you place on what things in life, family circumstances, personal goals, etc. Which is part of the salt that makes things interesting ....
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| sally |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 05:08 PM
Well, it always helps to take EVERYTHING with a grain of salt, don't you think? And you know, everyone has a million reasons for what they do in life. I wouldn't presume to judge someone's sincerity unless I really, really, really knew the circumstances and person incredibly well.
Anyway, Biswo (sharp as always!), let me just add that I meant “comparative loss of income” as a relative statement. For some people it’s more of a loss, for some less. It’s also a bit of a “six of this, half a dozen of the other” situation. When I lived in Nepal, I could afford a nanny but not a car. Here I can have a car, but not a nanny.
And sometimes, really, having help in Nepal is pretty much the same as living here WITHOUT any help! Did I spend more time grocery shopping in KTM because I did it briefly every day at the local pasals, or do I spend more time grocery shopping here, because I make big trips of an hour or more once or twice a week to Safeway? In Nepal, the housekeeper swept and washed the floors daily. Here, I do it, but I don’t have to do it daily cuz there’s not as much dust. See what I mean? It sort of balances out. I’m not sure that having a servant necessarily translates to a life of luxury. (Especially for Nepali women, cuz even in a lot of rich families, the daughters-in-law end up doing a lot of work regardless of their education.)
But if you’re going to talk about income loss: In the US, a highly educated, professional-level Nepali would probably end up having a bigger house (with central heating/air conditioning/nice yard/maybe a pool), two cars, lots more money to spend on the kids’ college tuition some day, etc etc. That may not be the ultimate, deciding factor for everyone. But I think there is, in fact, a comparative loss of income for most people–which, realistically, is part (not all) of why folks who have a genuine choice don’t often go from the rich country to the poorer, in spite of the servants and drivers.
I definitely agree, though, that the cost-benefit analysis isn’t all economic!!! An IT professional might simply find that it’s more interesting to work in the US and make cutting-edge advances. Whereas someone in the development sector, wildlife biology, agricultural economics, or whatever might find Nepal more interesting. Especially if they're not cutting off other options for the future by making that choice.
Lots of things factor into the choices people make. Including personality, flexibility, what values you place on what things in life, family circumstances, personal goals, etc. Which is part of the salt that makes things interesting ....
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| sally |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 05:09 PM
Sorry! I just found out how people end up accidentally double-posting.
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| cyberpal |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 07:42 PM
sally
I understand that bottom line is "whatever floats your boat". What I wanted to point out was that there are those types as well who end up in boats not of their choosing but then turns the table around to act as if that was what they had been looking for all along. Not just that, they go out of their way to rub it in your nose.
Those are the ones I despise and call wolf in sheeps's skin that you have to be aware of!
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| TO Cyberpal |
Posted
on 14-Dec-01 01:19 AM
This happened to a person i know very well.
Graduated from one of the best schools in the USA. Got a Damn good Job offer from a big Wall Street firm but decided to go back to nepal and work just for personal satisfaction.
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| Huri |
Posted
on 14-Dec-01 03:37 AM
MONEY is not everything. A person after finishing his education in USA with flying colors can go back to Nepal just because he is in search of his roots or wants to be in a place where he belongs. His love and respect for his parents can drive him back to his homeland. Or he might even find better relationships of various kinds in his country. So it all boils down to what a person values the most. For someone whose first priority is money, USA is fine, but for someone who has other priorities why not Nepal?
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| ashu |
Posted
on 14-Dec-01 06:43 AM
Sally,
Really enjoyed reading your posting.
Cyberpal,
Good job, man!
Is that what you say these days to others about your enemy?
Man, you are funny.
Damn funny.
A liar -- just like that discredited RNAC staffer!!
But the truth is: Unlike you, cyberpal, I -- Ashutosh Tiwari -- can VERIFY all
your allegations against your unnamed enemy by placing a simple call to the US Embassy in Kathmandu. And unlike you, my dear friend, there is no need for
me to hide my identity and lie about other Nepalis in public.
And such truth, truth and truth gives me a lot of confidence to stand behind
ALL of my postings. I know this makes you so pissed off that there is NOT much you can do but spread lies about others :-)
Finally, since San has made it easier to post JPEG files here, should I give you the shock of your life by posting a digital snap of your step mom here? I can do that, you see. And unlike you, I wouldn't be lying to people.
After all, as the cherished words of Rajesh Babu Shrestha -- a former handpicked GBNC president -- once went: "Ashu, you have friends everywhere!"
That I do, and more.
(My apologies if this makes little sense to others!)
Have a great week-end, everyone. Please comment on that Emergency Watch posting.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| cyberpal |
Posted
on 14-Dec-01 10:32 AM
Ashu
you totally lost me there. What are you talking about??
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| cyberpal |
Posted
on 14-Dec-01 11:14 AM
Ashu,
I realized that you mistook me for one of your enimies. Why? I was just participating in a thread talking about working here vs in Nepal and my observation of someone I know. The viciousness of your reply is indeed weird and scary. Take it easy bro.
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| joie de vivre |
Posted
on 14-Dec-01 11:23 AM
A bit of imagined slight on Ashu's part. Talk about being paranoid :)
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| joie de vivre |
Posted
on 14-Dec-01 11:25 AM
What the hell am I doing sticking my nose into other people's business??? Slap on the hand for you, joie!!
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| ? |
Posted
on 14-Dec-01 11:40 AM
ashu
Great to hear from u on ur reply to cyberpal. I dont have to say anything on that. My point is- thanx for denouncing the electronic jatbhat and chhuwachhut u once created in one of the threads
>As a visitor here, I have DECIDED that from now on, I -- as a fan of gbnc.org ko Kurakani section >-- will only be responding to messages/comments/arguments/counter-arguments/better thoughts >and on from REGISTERED USERS only.
I am not writing to you as a person, for me u represent an energetic educated brain mass who is trying to feel nepal in the real sense. So i was kinda shocked when u wrote that. If this is the mentalilty of a modern era nepali, then i dont wonder why jaatbhaat was introduced to nepal centuries ago.
I am glad that u realized its more important to respond to ideas and not consider who is behind the thought. In an open forum like this intellectual intercourse could be 100% satisfactory regardless of the status of the partenr's registration status.
it was great to know that we even have bungy jumping in Nepal....thanx
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| Paakhe |
Posted
on 14-Dec-01 11:54 AM
> Finally, since San has made it easier to post JPEG files here, should I give you
> the shock of your life by posting a digital snap of your step mom here? I can do
> that, you see. And unlike you, I wouldn't be lying to people.
Why this outburst?
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| joie de vivre |
Posted
on 14-Dec-01 01:05 PM
>> Finally, since San has made it easier to
>post JPEG files here, should I give you
>> the shock of your life by posting a
>digital snap of your step mom here? I can do
>
>> that, you see. And unlike you, I wouldn't
>be lying to people.
>
Ouch! Isn't that hitting below the belt, Ashu?
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| cyberpal |
Posted
on 14-Dec-01 02:24 PM
>> Finally, since San has made it easier to
>>post JPEG files here, should I give you
>> the shock of your life by posting a
>>digital snap of your step mom here? I can
>do
>>
>> that, you see. And unlike you, I wouldn't
>>be lying to people.
>>
>
>
>Ouch! Isn't that hitting below the belt,
>Ashu?
Looks like I missed out a lot in that reply. And you guys are talking about making users register so that they can't post filth :)
Hmm... looks like we should also have a pooling on what constitues filth no?
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| sunakhari |
Posted
on 14-Dec-01 02:25 PM
That was just an example of a RESPONSIBLE, CREDIBLE registered poster.
Hence rests my case.
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| whats happening |
Posted
on 14-Dec-01 04:52 PM
cyberpal wrote
This happened to a person I know:
This person goes to one of the best schools in USA. Aspires to land reputed jobs in places like Wall St etc. etc. For one reason or other (and there could be plenty of reasons) is unable to get any job and due to visa status and all that has to return back to Nepal. Now the person is somehow by own volition came back to Nepal to work in Nepal.
Don't you have to take this person's ethics with a grain of salt??
then all of certain ashu showed up
Cyberpal,
Good job, man!
Is that what you say these days to others about your enemy?
Man, you are funny.
Damn funny.
A liar -- just like that discredited RNAC staffer!!
>But the truth is: Unlike you, cyberpal, I -- Ashutosh Tiwari -- can VERIFY all
>your allegations against your unnamed enemy by placing a simple call to the US Embassy in >Kathmandu. And unlike you, my dear friend, there is no need for
>me to hide my identity and lie about other Nepalis in public.
I am just curious is it a mere coincidence or Chor ko khutta kaatchhu bhanda thutta taneko?
PS. any one who dont know" Chor ko khutta kaatchhu bhanda thutta taneko? ", please let me know
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| whats happening |
Posted
on 14-Dec-01 04:54 PM
correction
read all of the sudden ashu.....instead of all of the certain
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| ashu |
Posted
on 16-Dec-01 05:24 AM
Hi all,
It's really fun to see some of my own words being used against my own point.
This is really great.
As a visitor here, I am all for that kind of stuff because keeping one another HONEST is one PUBLIC benefit one can use for being a registered participant in
an OPEN Kurakani like this.
And I have always pushed for openness, honesty and credibility and all that
here -- at times even in smarmy earnestness.
That is to say, if one makes a mistake in public, then one can simply and openly and without-any-excuse CORRECT oneself by saying: Hey, in addition to what I wrote earlier, I fully reserve the right to choose who I respond to.
It's that simple.
Hey, where's the harm in correcting oneself?
**********
That said, I fully stand by what I wrote in my response to cyberpal. Though the unregistered user cyberpal did ask all to take his statement with a grain of salt, I was basically asking him: "Why write something potentially negative about unnamed Nepalis in Nepal and then chicken out by requesting others to take
your allegations with a grain of salt? Why this lack of confidence in your own allegations?"
I mean, why not say what's on your mind outright, whatever that is, and see whether verifiable EVIDENCE and REASON support that.
And so, having nothing -- nothing and nothing at all to fear, I offered cyberpal
to place a call to the US Embassy in Kathmandu to check out the TRUTH of his innuendos, whoever they are targeted against. After all, it's easy spread lies about Nepalis in Nepal.
I don't like to spread lies about other Nepalis. I don't like other Nepalis when they go around spreading lies and half-truths about other Nepalis. In fact, over the years, I have lost much personal respect for otherwise very accomplished Nepalis who have betrayed personal and professional confidences, and have become disloyal to their trusted friends, colleagues and relatives.
That said, I sincerely apologize to cyberpal if s/he did not get my "stepmom" reference.
Bungy-jumping, indeed.
oohi
"proud to be NOT spreading lies and half-truths about other Nepalis, whether they are friends or enemies"
ashu
ktm,nepal
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on 17-Dec-01 01:01 PM
>That said, I fully stand by what I wrote in
>my response to cyberpal. Though the
>unregistered user cyberpal did ask all to
>take his statement with a grain of salt, I
>was basically asking him: "Why write
>something potentially negative about unnamed
>Nepalis in Nepal and then chicken out by
>requesting others to take
>your allegations with a grain of salt? Why
>this lack of confidence in your own
>allegations?"
>
All I said was if people preach something don't take it at face value. Dig a little deeper and find out how sincere and honest the person's motive is.
Dude, you seem to have taken it personally and assumed that your enemy was again trying to destroy you and responsed with a black mail that you would post his or her's step mom's photo on this site if they don't back off.
You also accuse me of writing potentially negative about unnamed Nepalis in Nepal. What a load of bulls cr..
Look, you may not like what I write but don't preach on what I can and what I cannot write. If things that people write on this board seems to have some parallel with your life. That's your problem and you have to deal with your demons yourself. Not us. Amen.
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