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| NK |
Posted
on 12-Dec-01 12:59 PM
Hey! What is going on? I see Sally coming back and vigorous discussion about reds and non reds. And, Alas (!) no topic saying, "Will this board survive without mighty NK?" I DEMAND an explanation. Fast!
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| sunakhari |
Posted
on 12-Dec-01 01:04 PM
hey hey!!
velcom back, join the world of reds and red tape
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 12-Dec-01 01:47 PM
I want my own thread too..............................
validate me, puleeas
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| sunakhari |
Posted
on 12-Dec-01 01:57 PM
Here I annoint thee :------
----------------->>>>>
anepalikt
Now you have joined the ranks of the bir nepali women who want to have a say in the ummmmm registered threads! I hold you to your email address that you have so gullibly provided me (NOT). The credibility and responsibility you have expressed by following the easy steps of registering is incredible and you shall be written in gold in my book of CREDIBLE AND RESPONSIBLE posters.
AMEN
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 12-Dec-01 02:30 PM
I am not sure if this thread is "just" for women (if so, then forgive this "tresspasser") but wanted to respond to NK.
YES, NK this site can't survive without you. How could it?
I am remembering a scene from Mahabharat...
Draupadi is mad becasue she thinks Pandavs are not giving due response to her "revenge" drive...she goes "Do I not hold any importance in this world?
You are like a drop in the ocean. You sure are important. If every single drop is taken out of the ocean then there will be no ocean but a drop is not the ocean in itself....Arjun(?) responds.
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| _BP |
Posted
on 12-Dec-01 05:24 PM
And, who is NK again...?
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| Sangey |
Posted
on 12-Dec-01 05:44 PM
Pinky CootieHead
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| _BP |
Posted
on 12-Dec-01 06:19 PM
That's a pretty tough one.
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| NK |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 10:18 AM
hey, hey sangey, watch it!
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| NK |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 11:05 AM
Sparsha,
if indeed Arjun said such a thing, which I doubt, but for the sake of argument if it is true, then he needs to be punished, severly. Did Draupadi said that after the "chir haran?" What kind of man (husband) was he if he gave that full-of-himself kind of answer? Draupadi wanted to restore her dignity, wouldn't you? And look who is giving this holier than thou non-answer, answer? Arjun. The most arrogant of all the padavs. Didnot he have to take the fall when all of them were on their way to heaven and the reason being was he was too arrogant?
And let's come to the love. Didn't draupadi love him the most? Shouldnt' he have reciprocated if he were receiving her dooeye eyed love all along upto that point? Or was he there just to recieve not to give?
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 02:04 PM
NK,
Why I put a question mark after Arjun is to indicate, "I am not 100% sure if the one who responded to Draupadi was in fact Arjun". I have to watch the tape (yes, tape because the scene I was referring to was from that Mahabharat TV serial). to be sure who was that responder. But I still think it was Arjun. And the scene takes place in a jungle where they are in "Banbas" after losing everything to Duryodhan (so, it was, of course, after "Chir Haran").
I guess, Draupadi loved Arjun the most. I can't answer for Arjun on "Or was he there just to recieve not to give?" I, however, think it was Draupadi who constantly provoked the fire of revenge inside Pandavas. It was her who laughed at Duryodhan and spelled, "Andha ko chhoro Anda" and also it was her who refused to accept Karna's bid in targeting the fish at the Krisna's silent advice.
I am here neither to discredit nor undervalue nor degrade Draupadi but my point is she was no less arrogant than Arjun. What do you think was she humble and forgiving?
Finally, my original posting was not in a serious sense. Did you take seriously, NK?
My god, open up your "smily faces box" and gently put four or five here for you from me..please.
I myself could few smily faces here, but I like yours...they are better looking...
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 02:09 PM
Couple of correction,
please read "Andha ko chhoro Anda" as "Andha ko chhoro Andha" because I don't think she was saying Anda to Duryodhan.
And also, I meant to write I myself could put few smily faces here, but I like yours...they are better looking...
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| NK |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 02:16 PM
the trouble of not puting smiley faces.
Sparsh, although I do think Arjun's rebuff (and i think it was)was unwarranted, I do know that your answer to my non-serious question was just that - a non-serious answer. You know something? I must have used up all my smiley faces. The vault was empty when I went to get it. And the trouble is I put my other smiley faces in a foreign bank. Yes, you guessed it. In Argentina! And look what is happening to that country. All my smiley faces are gone. Poof!
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 02:39 PM
sure, NK. I got it. You don't have any smily faces left for me. Understandable! but her are few for you..
: -) ( - : :-)) (( -:
here are few more
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys/1.gif
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys/c.gif
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys/f.gif
and one more
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys/4.gif
Now let Arjun and Draupadi go. will ya?
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 03:00 PM
NK and Sparshaji:
Liked your Mahabharata Shashtrartha. Btw, Draupadi was always important!
Without her, Mahabharata wouldn't be fought.
Strong ladies are the real makers of history.
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| NK |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 03:03 PM
Hear, Hear. (applause)
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| sunakhari |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 03:18 PM
I just Love men who worship women :P
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 03:28 PM
Biswo ji,
Shastrartha is not my domain (Actually, I don't know where my domain is). I am reading writings of Bertrand Russell these days. I read some of them some ten years ago and just recently I found more and I am wasting/utilizing whatever my spare time on his writings. I beleive he is a very powerful writer, powerful in a sense that he makes his point accross forcefully with minimum words possible (only my observation). I am a big fan of his writings, even though I don't agree on everything he writes.
I never had any doubt on "Strong ladies are the real makers of history."
Yep! Draupadi was a "chaine" (needed) lady, you got it Biswo ji. But I still stand with my observation....she was no less arrogant than Duryodhan or Arjun...she wasn't a kind and forgiving lady.. but srtong? she definately was. As I mentioned earlier here, she was a chaine lady...
here is something on chaine..
...there was this guruji whose theko was to say "chaine" after every few words...his touunge would revolt if no "chaine" was spoken after every few words...students were quite aware of that...and one fine day realizing the importance of Ramayan morals among high school kids guruji goes...abaaa Sita chaine....
Kaslai chaine? guruji lai ki malai? a curious student interupts before chaine guruji completes his sentence.
So, of course, Draupadi chaine...
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 03:41 PM
:-) :-)
Draupadi was definitely an arrogant lady. But may be we are saying she is
arrogant because she refused to yield to the dominance of men.
She was harrassed by Kauravas. She definitely had right to seek revenge. She
was also sad that her husbands ( 5, my dear!) were doing nothing, despite their
vaunted gallantry, but looking impotently at her when she was being denuded
in the Sabha of the mighty kingdom of Hastinapur.
Imagine being a lady, even now, who was made the target of such harrassment.
She would definitely react violently.
-------
But, yea, Draupadi reacted too much when ridiculing the extracarefulness of
Duryodhan when he was walking across the hall of the palace of Indraprastha.
I am also amazed how they could let a single Duryodhan ( the prince of very
strong principality of Hastinapur) come unescorted in the palace of another
principality.This makes me suspicious of veracity of the whole story sometimes.
I don't doubt that Mahabharatha was written by somebody sympathetic to the
winners(pandavas) of the war. But he still fails to denigrate Kauravas sufficiently.
They still appear as a good people, people of honour and affable to their subjects.
My small observation only.
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| sunakhari |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 03:46 PM
The morale:
there is a good and bad side to everything, just depends which side you want to see.
This is my idea of judging people.
"But may be we are saying she is
arrogant because she refused to yield to the dominance of men. "
That being said - BISWO - u rock! I have met men who respect women and awe me but you are something else. Hope your mother/sisters are proud of you and your views on women status which (obviously) are favorable!
And Sparsha: who said being strong had ANYTHING to do with kind and forgiving?
Not in my dictionary.
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| NK |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 03:53 PM
Biswo says:
I don't doubt that Mahabharatha was written by somebody sympathetic to the
winners(pandavas) of the war. But he still fails to denigrate Kauravas sufficiently.
They still appear as a good people, people of honour and affable to their subjects.
My small observation only.
******
History is always written by the victors, my dear. Just look around you. I think nobody is evil through and through, well maybe Hitler, and nobody is good through and through. There is always some variance.
Also I think they make too much out of Draupadi's laugh. my obeservation? Even DRaupadi had not laughed so hard at that villian the writer would have found something else to justify (in kaurav's eyes) her 'chir haran.'
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| NK |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 03:55 PM
And I agree with Sunakhari.
We are forming a fan club. Biswo's fan club. Interested anybody out there?
Sparsha: Thankyou for all that smileys. i smiled when i saw them.:) what are u reading from Russel?
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 04:07 PM
NK and Sunakhariji:
Now you are kidding. You know I am against Fan Club idea. :-) But I thank you
guys for your kind words.
My idea is this: women consists of half sky (from Mao, right?). So, they need to
be respected, and treated as equal. Those who treated women as livestock could
not make legacy their progeny could be proud of. Most of those were just plain
villains.
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 04:30 PM
NK, I just read, "why I am not a christian" and also "psychology". I also read his last essay or "1967".
"...And Sparsha: who said being strong had ANYTHING to do with kind and forgiving?
Not in my dictionary. .."
Take it easy, Ms Sunakhari.
Here is what I wrote, "she was no less arrogant than Duryodhan or Arjun...she wasn't a kind and forgiving lady.. but srtong? she definately was." I fully recognize the difference between being kind/forgiving and strong.
I again stand with what I wrote..
Don't direct your question at me for something that I didn't say or write. I careless what is in your dictionary.
Weren't you the one who writes something like bas jati aglo hunchha uti jhukchha?
I mostly, not completely, agree with Biswoji, "Draupadi was definitely an arrogant lady. But may be we are saying she is arrogant because she refused to yield to the dominance of men."
Why mostly not completely? will write later. Also, I would like to comment on "I don't doubt that Mahabharatha was written by somebody sympathetic to the
winners(pandavas) of the war." But right now, I gotta go.
:-)
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| sunakhari |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 05:18 PM
Sparsh:
Please read carefully before you start attacking a la typical male ego types.
If you need to be explained then I will do so. I said what has strength got to do with being kind and forgiving. A man can be strong and ruthless at the same time hoina?
My dictionary: please read that as in my thought process/my idea lest you think I am some sapreyko baas. Far from it, I don't claim to be institutionally sapreko at all and could give a flying ummmmm squirrel about being one either! I leave that to others. Myself? I am pudko.:). I have been deemed the person with the least eikh. I take that comment positively. LOL
My "baas...." quote comes from the fact that people keep on going on and on and on about themselves. That last part hardly describes me!
May God grant you the wisdom to see beyond your nose.
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| joie de vivre |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 06:41 PM
"May God grant you the wisdom to see beyond your nose".
Priceless :)
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| cyberpal |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 06:55 PM
ouch! getting a little snappy here are we !
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 07:21 PM
Sunakhari,
" Sparsha, Please read carefully before you start attacking a la typical male ego types."
I did read carefully. What is it that I didn't get? and what is a typical male ego? and what is a typical female ego? what where this ego thing came from? please make me clear. What made you mention "male ego"? what word/sentence provoked such comment?
"If you need to be explained then I will do so. I said what has strength got to do with being kind and forgiving. A man can be strong and ruthless at the same time hoina? "
Ho. Bibad tyas ma bhaye jasto lagdaina. A man/woman can be strong and merciful/ruthless at the same time, hoina ta? Ani yasma K ko bibad ta? I guess, I am not smart enough for your comment.
I clearly wrote, "I fully recognize the difference between being kind/forgiving and strong." I was mentioning two characteristics (out of many others) that I noticed in Draupadi. One, she was strong (I agreed with Biswo ji) and the other is she was not kind/forgiving.
Neither I said/wrote that she should have been kind/forgiving nor said she should have been/done this or that. Am I not free to state what I felt or do I need a permission(s) from other people to say/write what I think?
Again, it's a different topic to argue on whether forgiving/kind and strongness are or should be complementary or independent to each other. I don't want to get into that, now.
I just don't worship any woman just because she is a woman (same thing is true for man, too). I firmly beleive, respect is something earned not given. If that makes me egoistic male, so be it. I would rather stay away from Biswoji's club. But, I seriously doubt Biswoji is a defender of any woman.
Finally, Sunakhari, I take your writings seriously and will continue to do so. If I agree on everything you have to say or vice versa then where is the kurakani? ho ho bhandai tauko matrai hallai rahera ta k kurakani hola ra?
Hope to learn more from your writings.
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 07:25 PM
JDV,
if your comment is directed at me then would you please write more on that, so I can respond?
thanks.
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| joie de vivre |
Posted
on 13-Dec-01 10:20 PM
sparsha
Take what I said at face value, no hidden inuendos there. I merely thought Sunakhari's blessing was humorous. If you feel the need to respond, be my guest.
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 14-Dec-01 09:28 AM
I got it, JDV. I saw you copied and pasted what Sunakhari wrote and added priceless with a smile.
"May God grant you the wisdom to see beyond your nose." I wish the same for Sunakhari
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| NK |
Posted
on 14-Dec-01 09:31 AM
Why are y'all arguing for nothing????? Jdv, go to work! Sparsh go to y our Russel, and sunakhari - quote more quotable quotes! :)
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 14-Dec-01 09:48 AM
OK, NK, I am out of here and on my way to Russell.
:-)
this smily face is for all (certainly includes sunakhari and jdv).
good day!
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| sunakhari |
Posted
on 14-Dec-01 09:50 AM
Sparsha, thank you so much, not everybody wishes something for someone else. But like I always say - save your wishes for something concrete.
:)
Aba k bhanney, anantha bhanyo bhaney I take your writings seriously, tesailey sparsha sanga aba ekdum serious subjects barey matrai kura garula. Lest he think I'm the court jester.
NK:
quotable quote?
malai ta testo hawako serious serious haru audaina taipani euta just for you:
"Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with your ingenuity".
George S. Patton
A simply wonderful one for the Micromanagers, here and everywhere.
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 14-Dec-01 09:59 AM
Gai sakya thiyen pheri sunakhariko nice words le firta lyayo. Khas kehi hoina tara..k kura spasta garna man lagyo bhane bichar ko vinnata ta bhai halchha ni...
"...tesailey sparsha sanga aba ekdum serious subjects barey matrai kura garula. Lest he think I'm the court jester. "
tyasto seriously ta kehi lina pardaina, sunakhari...
"Finally, Sunakhari, I take your writings seriously and will continue to do so. If I agree on everything you have to say or vice versa then where is the kurakani? ho ho bhandai tauko matrai hallai rahera ta k kurakani hola ra?
Hope to learn more from your writings. " <---- from my previous posting and here again I firmly stick to what I wrote.
concrete or abstract...don't know but again wish you a good day.
Ok...ok....NK..don't write to get out of here...I am going...going...gone!
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 26-Feb-02 06:54 AM
Without NK,
this site will look like finger amputed human. NK, you are
my most favored lady whom I want to meet one day
personally, just want to have face to face chat. Its all because
both of us are Sajha.com's most wanted
"Wild Weired Worth Posting" shareholders.
Keep it up.
hGxP
P.S. I missed this thread for long time and when browsed
tonight, found your interesting subject line. I remember
the day when it appeared here, I was in Tokyo entertaining
my relatives who came visit Japan. You know they went
to USA after a few days, they said, they wrote recently
one email after returning to Nepal, Safaness in Japan
is no where around the world. Like Safaness in Japan,
the short-sweet postings by can never be found in others
postings. Well, I am on the other side, always write
long, boring, and Jhooor postings, top of all, self centered.
So, I have a lot things to learn from your, 3-S,
short-sweet-smiles :) :) :) .
PPs:(I wish you don't sue me in court for sexual harassement
based this very last line in the above paragraph). Have fun.
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| Sangey |
Posted
on 26-Feb-02 09:57 AM
I don't think she can sue you, Hahoo, in Japan for sexual harassment. I have seen how salary men treat office ladies (OL's) in the offices there. You can't even compare. They are nowhere near Talibaan, or for that matter, middle-east in general, and the women have full and equal rights, but Japanese social pressure and norms are quite overwhelming. But then, who are we to complain, Nepal does not rate high in the way we treat women.
About safaness in Japan, yes I agree. I have been to many places, but I have yet to see any other country that is so obsessed with cleanliness as Japanese are. Once, I was flabergasted to see a middle-aged man cleaning a sidewalk painstakingly with a gardenhose and toothbrush in Marunouchi. Toothbrush, man, toothbrush - how obsessive can you get?
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| Puru123 |
Posted
on 26-Feb-02 10:40 AM
I think Singapore can beat Japan for cleanliness:-)
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| NK |
Posted
on 26-Feb-02 11:19 AM
My dear HahooGuru,
Now, if I say good things about your postings, peole might be suspicisious. You know, you scratch my back and I will scratch yours. Suffice to say your postings are quite not only entertaining but useful. Yes they are rather long ( sometimes, ok many times) but that is just us. I cann not write long ones even if I try to.
About being safa. I have also heard that their cleanliness has become a big problem for the medical field. You know human needs bacteria. We have coexisted with them for a long long time. Too much cleanliness breeds stronger bacteria, as we all know and just keep up with them we have to keep on stronger and stronger antibiotic an so forth. Do you know Asthma is one disease which seems to be borne out of over cleanliness? I know there are other factors too, but sceintists are astounded when they saw the relationhip between asthma and developed world....
{anyway thank you for your kind words. if you happen to come by this way drop a few lines beforehand. Who knows I might still be here... }
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| SuspiciousBhai |
Posted
on 26-Feb-02 01:19 PM
I am kind of suspicious. Why is Hahooguru reviving this old thread? Definitely not
just to scratch the back of others.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 26-Feb-02 05:49 PM
Puru123-ji
Singapore can not beat Japan in cleanliness. Singapore can beat
Japan only on Greenaries within city itself. The "Green" is the
most important thing I found missing in Japanese metro. cities.
Well, like Central Park in NY, Japs. have copied that idea of
Central Park, but, its not comparable with 2.5miles long
0.5 mile wide Central Park in NY, with millions of trees.
If you were in Singapore in sections where Indians reside
(Seragoon street) and old chinese streets, you can surely
feel, you are not in Singapore, but, in inner China or
India it self. The other reason Japan is clean is not because
of strict rules, but, the education and volunteerily support
from public. In whole 10years of my stay, I never found
sweepers walking around any streets, its people they
clean roads infront of them, and only garbage collection
dump trucks come and pick up things that are put in
transparent plastic bag. Anything, left out has to be
recollected by someone, and there are some nice
OKu-san (housewives) who complete this job, or some
retired old people make the final finish. In some cities,
you have to even write your name and address in the
garbage to avoid strange bags, because of increasing
crimes i.e. the body parts of killed peoples were
disposed by putting them in pieces in garbage bags....
I was in Singapore at least 4 times, and I have seen it,
I admire Singapore for its cleanliness, and greenaries, but,
it still lags behind Japan. Will this cleanliness survive, if
the FINE rule are disposed off.
Well, one good thing I heard that there are some Nepalis
who returned from Japan, have started cleaning their
chowks using the Jap. concept and some of them are
very successful. When I return to Nepal in future, I
will surely initiate the things I learned here, and I will
at least expect to last long (till my death) it around my home.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 26-Feb-02 05:54 PM
SuspiBhai,
The world is made of colors at least applicable to human beings.
If Ram could not avoid criticisms, and suspicion, who am I to
get all postings +ve replies. Well, you are free to consume
it the way you like, and but, I am confident with myself and
my intentions, that has no twisted meaning or aims. I am
straight, and no chhouka-panja-chhakka.
Its hard to be optimistic, +ve and ambitious. I am happy
with my style, Bro.
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| Sangey |
Posted
on 26-Feb-02 06:02 PM
Guru, your friends over there might not appreciate your referring to them as Japs.
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| NK |
Posted
on 27-Feb-02 11:54 AM
Suspicious Bhai,
Suspicion could be the beginning of an end. Have you forgotten 'Othello?'
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