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| nepali |
Posted
on 21-Dec-01 08:52 PM
All the educated are moving out of the country> emmigrating...
What is the outlook of Nepal in the year 2015?
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| GP |
Posted
on 21-Dec-01 09:13 PM
Your question is noteworthy. But, my understanding is that
its perputuel matter. I mean we will producing next generation
ready to replace those who left the country. No one should
be worry of having draught of brains in Nepal. Its not brain
drain problem, its management problem. We had corrupt
panchayat leaders, they were gone, we got new set
of corrupt leaders. Similarly, the old brains will drain and new
brain will emerge. It will continue as long as we produce
kids. Its natural process. Lets not stop them.
These comments are for fun. Life is full of fun, humor
, pain and rumors. I wish I were a bird, then, the
brain drain would never existed in dictionary.
GP
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| anepalikta |
Posted
on 21-Dec-01 10:04 PM
mr. gp
we are pretty serious about those issues...we talk about those not just for fun.....
poverty is not fun, destitute is not fun, government red tape is not fun. we dont want to wait another 50 years to bring some basic changes in the country. we can bring radical changes within few years....possible only if people take it seriously. Life is not just fun...its also "giving back to the community, giving back to your country", it not to expect from the future generation, its what u can do for the future generation to come.
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| nepal |
Posted
on 21-Dec-01 11:04 PM
you are as equally responsible as anybody else for what happens to nepal. if you think it has to start from somewhere other than yourself, it'll never happen. period.
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| ashu |
Posted
on 21-Dec-01 11:47 PM
I agree with GP.
At present, the percentage of Nepalis under the age of 40 in Nepal stands at around almost 80 per cent. That's a big percentage. In this regard, ours is a YOUNG country. An a YOUNG country can afford to dream, have optimism,
have energy, elore this and that . . . . Sure, there are lots of khattam people here (starting with our netas and so on) but there are also compelling reasons to be patiently optimistic about Nepal as a whole.
Nepalis who are living/working abroad should come back to Nepal for their own reasons (eg. family reasons, professional reasons and so on) and NOT -- N-O-T for some vague, abstract and totally impractical "desh-bikas garne" reasons.
To cite anecdotal examples, many of my friends who came back for some lofty "desh-bikas-garne" reasons are today a miserable lot, whining and complaning about this and that. But those friends who came back or ended up staying back here for their own personal or professonal reasons end to be the happiest, more productive and so on. (My observations!)
I really believe that wherever you are in Nepal or the US, how you frame
issues (whether positively or negatively) in your mind makes a great deal
of dfference in the outcomes.
Finally, I disagree with Siwalk when, in another thread, he says that it doesn't appear that returned Nepalis have been able to "lift Nepal up", whatver that means. I look forward to picking up that thread and discussing with him next week.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| SIWALIK |
Posted
on 24-Dec-01 04:49 PM
Ashu: you stated: "To cite anecdotal examples, many of my friends who came back for some lofty "desh-bikas-garne" reasons are today a miserable lot, whining and complaning about this and that. But those friends who came back or ended up staying back here for their own personal or professonal reasons end to be the happiest, more productive and so on."
Two questions:
1. Could it be possible that the ones who returned for "desh-bikas-garne" reasons didnot have an organized effort to be successful? Or are they doomed to be failures whenever they have this motivation?
2. Could it be possible that these happy and productive people got blended into a corrupt system and their personal pleasure came at a greater public cost?
Just curious--Why do you consider motivation to develop Nepalese society as "some vague, abstract and totally impractical "desh-bikas garne" reasons."
Hope you will enlighten me.
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| SP |
Posted
on 24-Dec-01 06:33 PM
I have always said it and will repeat here. The first one in line to return should be the ones who used some sort of schoralship for their study through HMG or some sort of recommendation from the Planning Commission. I understand there are quite a few individuals who went to study (medicine, engineering, etc.) to Bangladesh and other countries under the Plan and having completed their study, came to the US for further study and never went back to serve the country you singed on to serve at the time of taking up the scholarship. Keep your conscience clear. I often hear from the doctors who do not want to go to villages saying that there are no proper facilities out in the villages for them to practice. Well, I can't say one did not know the conditions of our villages when accepting to study medicine using a scholarship fund facilitated by an HMG channel. On the other hand, if you came on your own, it is upto you to do your patriotic duty. Moreover, if you did take the foreign currency to study abroad through a Nepali bank with recommendation from the Planning Commssion (Manpower), then it is time to pay back in some form.
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| SM Sainju |
Posted
on 25-Dec-01 01:16 AM
I think the issue is as profound as it it genuine. I asked this very same question to our brother DIXIT of Himal Magazine about 2 years ago when he was
visiting DC. What happens in 15 years from now can be answered by todays' political and economic structures. And I think we don't need to second guess what will happen. May it be myriad times we have failed to do our jobs right, we can still turn things around for all of our good with right frame of mind for our own prosperity as ashu mentions.
One thing that we must understand is we have to preserve our democracy and
not practice it at the very moment. If we can understand the seriousness and efficacy of this, it won't take much to turn things around....
SM Sainju
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| GP |
Posted
on 25-Dec-01 02:05 AM
Deadlock to Nepal's progress will always be corruptions
everywhere and anywhere. If Nepal can introduce the
like in many countries where if you have collected so much
of money or land or any form of property, without any
tax declared income, than, its corruption or illegal money
and that can be nationalized. Its the rule everywhere in
the world, except in Nepal. In Nepal, if govt. can not find
where you did not pay the tax, then, whatever you have
earned or grabbed or hide(d?) your income, you are legally
clean. Thats why Govind Raj Joshi for whose Durgam
transfer as head master from a school in Tanahu is now
Swollen Up like a fat cat. How poor was he, I know him
since than, but, now how much he has swollen up? What
did he do, except the NC Politics? Did he have any other
legal business? No way. Thats just an example.
Khum Bahadur in other corner is doing the same way.
So, if our system gets better, we need to prove our
money is legal, not the other way round govt. has
to prove our money as illegal, we will surely have
better move towards 2015 or 2025. But, today,
khume controls the Cabinet 's pendulum.
Why Girija is shouting for next govt.? making hues
and cries over multiparty govt.
Here is the scenario. My observation.
Khume's all supporters, I will call them, fat cats,
are now in Sher's cabinet. Girija need them to
switch to his camp to fail Deoba and make his
own cabinet. When all Khume's supporters
are enjoying the emergency time looting
of national property, Khume will never join
the girija camp under current situation, as long
as Emergency continues. Under such circumstances,
Girija is talking about joint party govt. including
AMALE.
Girija will not mind Sher B. Deuba to be PM of this
joint party govt. at the beginning. Then, what happens?
If Girija's concept goes OK, and he could fool Sher B. Deoba,
make him Pm for some time, Girija can easily bring a situation
where Sher B. Thapa will be forced to replace Khume's
peoples by AMALE + NDP peoples. Then, the cats in Khume's
group will be hungry for money, because of the loss of
ministry position, they, will immediately join Girija camp, and
Girija will start saying "Oh! no, this joint govt. has failed
and NC has majority and we should immediately make only
NC's govt. ......" Thus, once the wild card in NC (khume
group) will switch to Girija, Sher B. Deoba will be asked to
step down ... and Girja will be head of the cabinet.
Though, my forecast of scneario is too synthetic, but,
the basic skeleton of Girija's plan will have almost this
kind of chal baji. Nepal should find ways to get rid of
such silly and corrupt leaders. I don't forsee this
will happen in few years.
GP
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 25-Dec-01 02:05 PM
For those making baby cry over corruption in the country, here is a comforter from the government:
Government to take action against tax defaulters !!!
Read full report here:
http://www.nepalnews.com.np/contents/englishdaily/trn/2001/dec/dec25/index.htm#6
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| Gandhi |
Posted
on 25-Dec-01 02:32 PM
GPji, Whatever you synthesized seems feasible from Girija's POV.
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| villageVoice |
Posted
on 25-Dec-01 05:34 PM
We can go on and on about what ails Nepal and Nepalis.
But the bottomline is: it will change ONLY where there's pressure from WITHIN for change. Nepalis, both living in Nepal and outside, are responsible to bring about the much needed changes. Sure, we are khattam and all that, but what are WE, in our own little ways, doing to change that?
Let's own up some resposbility.
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 25-Dec-01 07:35 PM
I think we should bear responsibility for Nepal's misery in one of the following possible ways:
1. We have blended in the corrupt system and are benefiting from it (Siwalik's bold question, above)- applicable to those happy intellectuals.
2. We have limited ourselves in resenting the misery but failed to identify the source and the remedy. - applicable to those worried intellectuals.
3. We resent the misery but seek the solution from the part of the system that itself promotes the misery. - applicable to the disillusioned intellectuals.
4. We know the remedy but we have gone too far- applicable to rebellion intellectuals.
N.B. There is no grey zone as such, you make one as per your convenience
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| GP |
Posted
on 25-Dec-01 07:46 PM
Nepe wrote:
There is no gray zone as such, you make one as per your convenience.
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Gray zone do exists when you have no sufficient data or
idea or ways. Gray zone exists when things are not digital
but, analogous. Gray zone does not exist only to those who
have guns at their hand, and say "Kill or Die". Gray zone
exists when there are too many roads to destinations.
For common peoples Gray zone offers the freedom of choices
and opportunity. Correct me if wherever I am wrong.
GP
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| Trailokya Aryal |
Posted
on 25-Dec-01 10:35 PM
hetterika dai/didi haroo,
there's one word answer to nepal's furture, and it is "ANDHAKAAR" (and we all know this). BTW, "ANDHAKAAR" means DARK.
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