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| ashu |
Posted
on 16-Jan-02 06:30 AM
The price of freedom
Libertarianism is pro sweatshops, anti compulsory education, and gung ho for free, unfettered markets. You may find it has merits as a political system. Just don't expect it to help you score points with that cute bohemian painter
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http://www.nationalpost.com/search/story.html?f=/stories/20020112/1107772.html&qs=Lamey
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| NK |
Posted
on 16-Jan-02 09:39 AM
Ashu, If I am not mistaken you declared yourself to be libertarian here in this Board, didn't you? Now you see why you are not still not married? : )
Note to Ashu: This is a joke, nothing but a joke. If Ashu or anybody makes this statement as an insult to any concened or not-concerned party she/e/they need to go to see a neuro surgeon immediatedly without any further delay.
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| Voodoo Nut |
Posted
on 16-Jan-02 09:41 AM
Ha NK you sound paranoid like someone's gonna jump out at you from the bushes!
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| NK |
Posted
on 16-Jan-02 09:46 AM
voodoo nut, voodoo nut
who are you?
jump from the tree
that is hiding you.
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| joie de vivre |
Posted
on 16-Jan-02 09:51 AM
Isn't it a pity that we have to have disclaimers after everything we say lest it be taken the wrong way. I’ve never understood why people take things so personally. Disclaimer such as the one NK’s more or less forced to use (if she wants to avoid conflict) takes away any witty cynicism and sarcasm. What a pity.
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| NK |
Posted
on 16-Jan-02 10:09 AM
It is indeed a pity my dear JDV. comic like me cannot be funny anymore. It is the sad truth. Sad sad sad. :)
[I was just about to put a disclaimer but then I told myself, "stop it, you pathetic, fool. you will make jdv cry!" and I don't want you to cry, my dear jdv.]
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| ashu |
Posted
on 16-Jan-02 10:56 AM
Hey NK,
Yes.
I did mention my being persuaded by libertarian thoughts.
Truth be told, I find it very difficult to argue with libertarians.
They just seem to have better, stronger and more convincing
arguments re: many of today's social and political issues.
In the SCN days of yore, the one person I took my hat off was a
libertarian Nepali from Ohio -- Ramesh Sharma, now living in Nepal and
a very good friend -- who always tore my relatively liberal arguments
to utter shreds.
And Ramesh -- a former Nepali Marxist turned American-style libertarian
-- tore apart my arguments such a way that I was in complete awe of him.
Nobody, you see, had ROUTINELY tore apart my arguments on the
Internet in ways that were so damn good!! It was an unnerving
experience, debating with Ramesh, but I learnt a lot from him, and, from
there on, I swore that I would read everything I could find on libertarianism . . .
and find a way to tear it apart.
But alas, the more I read, from Harvard philosopher Robert Nozick's "Anarchy, State and Utopia" to many issues of Reason Magazine, the more
pulled in -- on a purel intellectual level -- I was by libertarian thoughts . . .
Maybe in a few years (and after reading more stuff like that on Argentina's
recent financial collapse) I will develop stronger arguments against
libertarianism . . . but for now I confess that -- except for that
pro-sweatshop part -- I am attracted to libertarianism as a political
philosophy. In Nepal, living under Emergency and with this common view
of the government as a paternalistic entity, I have NOT yet found a practical
way to reconcile libertarianism with what we have here . . . so the search gos
on.
I had a lot of fun reading that article and thought that others too might get a
kick out of it. After all, we all need to laugh at ourselves. But don't worry too
much about me: Without going into too much detail, let's just say that it's
quite possible to lead a fasinating, romantic life in Kathmandu :-)
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| ashu |
Posted
on 16-Jan-02 11:01 AM
Hey NK,
Yes.
I did mention my being persuaded by libertarian thoughts.
Truth be told, I find it very difficult to argue with libertarians.
They just seem to have better, stronger and more convincing
arguments re: many of today's social and political issues.
In the SCN days of yore, the one person I took my hat off was a
libertarian Nepali from Ohio -- Ramesh Sharma, now living in Nepal and
a very good friend -- who always tore my relatively liberal arguments
to utter shreds.
And Ramesh -- a former Nepali Marxist turned American-style libertarian
-- tore apart my arguments such a way that I was in complete awe of him.
Nobody, you see, had ROUTINELY tore apart my arguments on the
Internet in ways that were so damn good!! It was an unnerving
experience, debating with Ramesh, but I learnt a lot from him, and, from
there on, I swore that I would read everything I could find on libertarianism . . .
and find a way to tear it apart.
But alas, the more I read, from Harvard philosopher Robert Nozick's "Anarchy, State and Utopia" to many issues of Reason Magazine, the more
pulled in -- on a purel intellectual level -- I was by libertarian thoughts . . .
Maybe in a few years (and after reading more stuff like that on Argentina's
recent financial collapse) I will develop stronger arguments against
libertarianism . . . but for now I confess that -- except for that
pro-sweatshop part -- I am attracted to libertarianism as a political
philosophy. In Nepal, living under Emergency and with this common view
of the government as a paternalistic entity, I have NOT yet found a practical
way to reconcile libertarianism with what we have here . . . so the search gos
on.
I had a lot of fun reading that article and thought that others too might get a
kick out of it. After all, we all need to laugh at ourselves. But don't worry too
much about me: Without going into too much detail, let's just say that I have found it quite possible to lead a fasinating, romantic life in Kathmandu :-) The
way this city has changed in the last 5 years in terms of being 'relationship-friendly' is pleasantly amazing.
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| ashu |
Posted
on 18-Jan-02 12:51 AM
Hey NK,
Guess what?
Now even Noam Chomsky describes "his own world view as belonging to "the Left libertarian tradition" which he traces back to Adam Smith."
Surprising, isn't it?
I tell you, you debate with libertarians, and the only outcome is that you lose with nothing left to say.
Never mind about the practical relevance of their ideas, but libertarians seem to have the smartest, most logically consistent and intellectually sound arguments
on almost all of today's social and political issues.
Read more about this:
http://www.nationalpost.com/home/story.html?f=/stories/20011203/816581.html
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| NK |
Posted
on 18-Jan-02 11:06 AM
I must say, it is indeed surprising Noam [my ol' buddy, you know we are on the first name basis ]declaring that!
The link is my reading assingment for the weekend, now that my weekend plan is canceled.
Smartest logic? Fine! But can one live with that? If not then is it just talk the talk? I still cannot fathom living under the libertarians view. As far as I am concerned they seem to be saying, "anything goes."
I will get back on this topic later.
ps glad to hear that kathmanu is very "relationshi friendly." Damn! it looks like i missed the boat.
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| Autoss |
Posted
on 18-Jan-02 12:57 PM
Ashu !
Just look in the mirror and tell me why anyone intheir right mind would want to go out with you. And your social skill regarding the opposite sex ?? You have a long way to go my friend. The moment they see those hairy palms, you tell me.
Just wanted to make a distinction that its not because of your ideological differences that women are repeled by you. There are other pphysical and social characterestics involved as well.
Let me clarify swooning a female is not a political debate. Please do not go on debating why she should be with you. Its all in that hand, once you etend it to be shaked.. all political agenda's out the window and in comes Mr Hairy Palms... Now that where the problem is.... Dude ya need a shave and a wash...go on now.
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| NK |
Posted
on 18-Jan-02 01:54 PM
Autoss (i know i know this is not your real name), you are really angry at Ashu, aren't you? sometimes i wonder why do you have this much anger at this person, who I might add, is not that bad of a person at all. It is festerning and boiling under the surface and yes, time to time it boils over here in the board.
You may know that ashu and i have our differences: he on the extreme righ of the School of Adam Smith and I from the Left (not extreme though). He just goes to so much right I look like I am a Leftie guerilla. Anyway, as I was saying he and I differ and we go on. But, sadly, it seems you are unable to go on. Without delving too much into why, I suggest let's be done with it. Ashu has mentioned in one of his postings that HE IS COMING TO TOWN. What do you say? Should we arrange for a duel? Not with a gun though. We are civilized people so we carn arrange for swords. Whoever is able to touch his opponent’s neck with the tip of his sword he wins. If you lose you stop talking about Hairy Palm, and if he loses he will stop whatever he is continuing to do to you (even after post Boston days) and apologize for past desecration.
What do you say? You know this kind of ‘boiling over’ takes the fun away.... so?
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| Autoss |
Posted
on 18-Jan-02 02:06 PM
Hey Lady Stay Out Of it. Would much appreciate if you'd just mind you own. Thanks. Someone has to keep the SELF PROCLAIMED KNOW ET ALL SUPREME BEING on check.
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| joie de vivre |
Posted
on 18-Jan-02 02:09 PM
>Hey Lady Stay Out Of it. Would much
>appreciate if you'd just mind you own.
>Thanks. Someone has to keep the SELF
>PROCLAIMED KNOW ET ALL SUPREME BEING on
>check.
and Autoss thinks he's the 'chosen one'? hmmm, wonder what he has others don't have.
yeah, yeah, I know, stay out of it!
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| Assutoss |
Posted
on 18-Jan-02 02:21 PM
Joi the what ? are you blind ? Did you read that somewhere ? I don't know which planet you're from making your own interpretation. Are you suffering from dyslexia ? Or maybe your subliminal voice is saying WHO THE HELL IS THAT AUTOSS / MAN THAT's MA JOB / AH! AM THA CHOSEN ONE. WHO IS THIS COPYCAT AUTOSS ? If you want that tittle just say so dude. We'll have that tittle knighted to to by the president of G from tha B to tha N to tha C.
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| who me? (Not me) |
Posted
on 18-Jan-02 06:31 PM
Autoss,
It appears you are not interested making amends. You are the kind of guy/gal who could be only satisfied when the other party is bleeding and dead.
You are a fool!
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| ashu |
Posted
on 19-Jan-02 04:29 AM
Hey NK,
Yes.
My politics does seem to lean more toward the right than yours.
But I don't think it's right of the 'center', so to speak!
And, please, I wouldn't think of myself as a right-winger :-)
After all, I did once work for a Democrat's campaign up in New
Hampshire, you see!!
If anything, I would call myself a market-friendly person who sees DEFINITE
regulatory role for the government in our economic life . . . something in
the mold of what New York Times columnist and Princeton professor Paul
Krugman writes about. INTUITIVELY, that's more like my kind of economics and politics.
That said., I do remain intellectually fascinated by libertarian arguments, but,
in the back of my mind, I am always thinking that there must be some catch
behind their stunningly unassailable logic. I just have NOT figured out for myself in a convincing way what that catch is, and, like I said, my search goes on
through readings, debates, discussions and even Web postings!!
oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal
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| _BP |
Posted
on 19-Jan-02 04:44 AM
I really don't think you can define yourself yo be in a certain political category...it biases you to believe something held by that party in general. Sometimes right, and sometimes wrong...eh, I mean left :).
And this weirdo guy who signs on as Asstoss, what the hell are you trying to prove? I am joining my other colleagues here on this forum to say, shut up and write some decent stuff or just stay away. Don't abuse this system.
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