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| Horizon |
Posted
on 23-Jan-02 02:25 PM
Here is a well thought and well written article that I could relate to in some ways. I am sure most of us can relate to it in one way or the other.
http://www.nepalnews.com.np/ntimes/issue77/comment_2.htm
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| gaunle |
Posted
on 23-Jan-02 04:11 PM
Yes, this is a well thought article. I'm sure other guys wouldn't mind adding more points to it. There are more reasons why we stuck in the west. To me, it's not to accumulate wealth, status, or renown... I'm too scared to start over from zero. Zero meaning -- i don't have anything or anyone strong that could support or lift me up if anything goes wrong (health, job, situation, and more). I spent good 8 years in the US for studies and real word experiences. I don't know how many more years I have to struggle to be in fair shape financially. I'm not scared to struggle, but it's hard when you don't see a starting point back home. About education and work experience, the more I learn the more I feel like I know nothing. I feel like I'm a dumb IT guy. May be I don't have a clear vision. Please share if you guys have one...
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| dariwal |
Posted
on 23-Jan-02 04:27 PM
wow,
that was a well-thought really experienced piece.I am a senior CIS student and i feel the same as you do gaunle. But hey, tell you what, just do some research about the job oppertunities in nepal. You'll be surprised to know how many jobs are out there. It is certain that i'm going back home after i finish my school but again i'm scared too because i feel like i know nothing and again there is the high-hopes of the community back from from a U.S returned student/personel. But certainly that article was a great piece.
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| voice |
Posted
on 23-Jan-02 06:00 PM
it is certainly a big issue for all of those who are living abroad. i ve seen people who ve returned back to nepal and becoming"hawa chhekuwa". that means he or she has nothing to do but gather folks or old friends and talk about his abroad experience.i m not being a pessmistic about returning back to our homeland but i m afraid that if all my hard-work that i ve done to get better future goes in vain.that is definately frustrating for everybody.i just came back from nepal, and i didn't see any kind of optimism on those who have finished their study.every where u go for work u gotta know somebody in order to get job.nepotism and favoritism are still alive.rich is getting richer and poors are struggling to survive.so it definately dissapointing everywhere.but....we should return to our homeland oneday.
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| U2 |
Posted
on 23-Jan-02 08:59 PM
One question to all:
At what point would you be willing to go back to KTM? Two things, how much of saving would be good enough for you to leave US, and at what salary scale, if offered in KTM, would be fine for you to go back to KTM?
Say, you have nothing there, no home (not your dad's), no job and need to start from zero. Would you go back to KTM, if you have 20 lakhs in saving now (just enough to build a small house) and you are offered a job in KTM, of Rs 30,000 (or 50,000)? Let's hear the minimum financial requirement for people to consider going back? (Forget for the moment the job satisfaction, life quality, etc. for now).
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| Diabolic |
Posted
on 23-Jan-02 09:09 PM
I would certainly go back if I can make 200,000 Nepali Rupees per month all together. I mean job might be not be the only source of income. Come to think of it, I would settle for half that amount. But one needs to realize that with wife and kids, money vanishes into thin air.
I am not married, I am just thinking ahead.
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| dodhare |
Posted
on 24-Jan-02 09:59 AM
I would go back if I have had 20 lakhs in saving and Rs. 50K+ per month job offer. With that, I believe, I could manage to create additional resources of income. Without that, its hard to sacrifice the things you've earned (good credit, degree, work experiences, etc.) doing hard work for years. No matter where you live you have to take care of your business first. If u are not stable, you couldn't even think doing good to your country/people.
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| HahooGuru |
Posted
on 24-Jan-02 11:25 AM
Dodhare,
Rs. 20 Lakhs , what will you do that if you think its a handsome
money? You can hardly buy half ropani outside Ring road,
and you can not even make a single flat. So, First Rs. 20lakh
is not going to push you anywhere to have your own home.
If you have your parents home in KTM, you can start a good
biz and save Ghar Bhada. If you have good biz plan, then,
Rs. 20 lakh will not be necessary, may be Rs. 5 lakh is
enough to start. In doing biz in Nepal, do not think of
doing one man biz. you can not earn more than Rs. 10,000
monthly salary. The certificate alone does not sale, unless
you have bhansoon or influence. May be you can get
idea from JDV whether UN jobs are free and fair, because
he had worked there. No where in Nepal , not even
in your own parents company you will get Rs. 50K starting
your landing on TIA. Well, there are some lucky "=CUNNING"
peoples who use influence and get US $ 1000 per day
(TKP). ICIMOD to UN all the Int'l org. they publish wanted
notice with criterias in such a way that the predefined
person is to be selected, and they will put you in
"BAIKALPIK" to let the world get fooled that their
screening is clean. Rs. 50K means you must be
productive and I doubt such productive personaility
will return in Nepal at the age of 20s or 30s.
Paye anta napaye lakhan thapa ko janta, and
peoples will stamp you with this Proverb. Nasakera
ayeko, unless you have genuine reason to return.
some peoples might have old parents, ghar ko
samasya le pharkan chan, well, they can get 50K monthly
in long run after showing their capacity. If you are field
engineer, especially, Civil Engineer or other technical
person, who don't mind to stay in remote area, now
Maobadi area, will surely deserve 50K / m salary.
Bro, do not dream if you are not trying to find an
excuse. Well, if you have Rs. 20lakhs you can earn
more than Rs. 50 /m if you invest it on right plan.
In Nepal, peoples even ask for loan at 36% annual
interest, and you can even make 7,20000 per anum
just by lending it to some biz. ITs all because of
the bad banking system in Nepal, otherwise who
would like to pay 36% byaz. ..... Instead of getting
depression in Nepal, I would suggest you not to
dream of earning Rs. 50k, but, just 5k at the beginning
and dream earning 50k in a couple of years through
your own biz plan. In a developing country, like Nepal,
unless you have some very genuine speciality, why
should some one pay you Rs. 50K. If you are special,
no one else has that speciality, then, you might even
get more. Don't be emotional and it should not drive you.
When I was student in India, some civil and electrical
engineers were found outside Hospital. (Newspaper reported).
They were selling blood to make their living. God Bless
Nepal does not pass through this situation, and I am afraid
with current speed of technical colleges, where everyone
is rushing to issue certificate, not the education. Think of
your rivals, now 3000 annual intake in technical subjects.
Will they get 5K job? Well, in Japan they can get
3K job: kitanai, kiken and kichui (=3D : dirty, dangerous
and difficult). So, instead of going to return for 5K
job I would suggest you confine on 3D job.
"You" does not mean Dodhare, but, all the youngs
who dream of earning 50K in Nepali by showing
FoReN certificate. Well, if you have 50K dollar
cash, and you can create jobs in Nepal and get
your handsome salary via Bonus.
Good luck. Say No to Dual citizenship. Those who
can not pay 20dollar visa fee, better not think
of going to Nepal. WE don't need another burden.
HahooGuru.
HahooGuru
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| krishna |
Posted
on 24-Jan-02 02:31 PM
>One question to all:
>
>At what point would you be willing to go
>back to KTM?
>Let's hear the minimum financial requirement for people
>to consider going back? (Forget for the
>moment the job satisfaction, life quality,
>etc. for now).
A pack of 10-Roop Kooks and a fifth of seto ela, and jwaie-sahib will reconsider...;)
Note to Sasu-ji: Thanks, but sacks o' chuira ain't gonna cut it!
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 24-Jan-02 03:24 PM
Krishna: you ungrateful jwaiin! as they say, jwaiin agulto le chwaiin! you telling me that all that ghun-infested chiura sent by your your sasu aint's luring you back anytime soon!? shame on you!
And the rest of you! Where did YOU grow up? Planet Mars?? 50G, 2 lacks! my god!! Do you know that the average Nepali makes $200 a year?! What do your folks make? Were they like filthy rich and you jet setted as a child and spent money on Chanel and gucci? If so, where did they get the money?
And before you go making digs at me, I spent 3 years in Nepal before comign back this last time to the states. I was not makign 50gs. It was more like 10... and after taxes and provident fund deductible, it was like 8!
Yes,nto havign to pay rent, buy a car or think about kids helped. But you would be surprised how rich life is in Nepal without a whole lot of money!
I don't know what you need to have saved up and how much you'd need to make. That will be wholly up to how you expect to live.
Money is an excuse!! The point some of you raised about the fear of starting from scratch in Nepal... not measuring up to expectations, not having a clear vision of what you want or what you would do in Nepal... those are probably the real things to consider.
If you are a drone... you will do better here than in Nepal. Meaning the economic and social rewards are better here. Here you can earn money and have an independent respectable life even if you are a drone. You will most likely not be judged terribly for being a suit and you can lead a circumscribed but comfortable life, without social judgement or obligation.
In Nepal, a drone, a US returned one especially, will find that without a strong family and priviledged status, in Nepal your options are limited. You'll have to kiss butt and most likely lose respect and intergrity or simply be poor.
If you have vision, grit, a well established family, a good inheritance, or you simply don't care if life is a struggle, then Nepal is good all the way. Being a big fish in a small pond!! that's what life is about!
But there is struggle everywhere, folks! In America, you expect to struggle financially and not be judged too badly. In Nepal, especailly as a US returned person, if you are poor not only will you have to contend with your poverty, but also the judgement of narrow minded people.
Anyhow....................
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| Diabolic |
Posted
on 24-Jan-02 03:50 PM
Why I need 2 lacs ok, 100,000 Neplai Rupees, I am not talking about dollars here ah right. 1 lac is a little mroe than a 1 grand US. Here is the breakdown:
1. Rent: A decent place with 2 bedroom, a dining etc. will cost: Rs. 10,000 per month.
2. Telephone Bill: Rs. 1500
3. Electricity: Rs. 500 (might be more if I have AC/Heater/Gyser) hooked up.
4. Internet: Rs. 2000
5. Telephone: Rs. 2000
6. 2 Kids @ Budhanilkantha: Rs. 15000
7. Monthly Payment on a motorcycle: Rs. 2000
8. Eating Out Every Weekend at a Good Place: $8000 (2000 per week)
9. Montly Savings for Emergency: Rs 5000
10. Petrol and Other Traveling Expenses: Rs 1000
11. Naani (kids) harulai luga-fato ra aru farmaais: Rs. 1000
12. Baa-Aaama ani relatives harulai present (you know the festivals) etc.: Rs 2000
13. Logne Swasnilaai Luga-Fato, condoms, sangini (joke): Rs. 5000
14. Gharko Grocery Ityaadi: Rs. 12000.
15. Ek Kaam Garni Kt/Kta: Rs. 2000.
Add this up: Rs. 69,000 monthly expenses to live liberally.
The remaining Rs. 31,000 I can put it in a future "Home" fund. I would save Rs. 372,000 per year. I t will take me another 12 years to build a house on a peice of land I inherit from my folks.
Now tell me is Rs. 100,000 per month a lot?? Uh-huh! It ain't that much.
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| sunakhari |
Posted
on 24-Jan-02 04:03 PM
Aba Nepal ma pani American standards ma basyo bhaney kaha ni teiti ley pani pugdaina hajur..
Just face it - we can't ever ever do it! live there!!
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| Diabolic |
Posted
on 24-Jan-02 04:10 PM
Sunakharji:
I am gonna find a way to make that 100,000 by hook or crook and live there in Nepal. There is only one life to live, I can't take my chances living here forever.
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| Narad_Muni |
Posted
on 24-Jan-02 10:52 PM
For a well educated (with at least a MS degree from UK/USA/Canada) persons in Nepal average salary is about 40 - 60,000 per month in most of the INGOs. Forget about NGOs who can offer at most 20-25,000. Don't think about how poor civil servants with 9,000 per month will survive. My breakdown is as follows. I wish Nepal would be able to pay me that much amount with a MS degree at hand.
1. Rent: Two bedroom, one kitchen, one dining room: 4,000 per month.
2. Telephone Bill: Rs. 2,000 (NTC will suck my last drop of blood)
3. Electricity: Rs. 500 (NEA will also chew my bones)
4. Internet: Rs. 1,500 (I need it to earn more)
5. 2 Kids' education: Rs. 8,000
7. Monthly Payment on a motorcycle: Rs. 2,000
8. Eating Out Every Weekend at a Good Place: Rs. 2,000 (500 per week)
9. Montly Savings for Emergency: Rs 2,000
10. Petrol and Other Traveling Expenses: Rs 1,000
11. Naani (kids) harulai luga-fato ra aru farmaais: Rs. 1,000
12. Baa-Aaama ani relatives harulai present etc.: Rs 2,000
13. Logne Swasnilaai Luga-Fato: Rs. 2,000 (sangini free ma paunchha)
14. Gharko Grocery Ityaadi: Rs. 3,000.
15. Ek Kaam Garni Kt/Kta: Say no to this. If both husband and wife is working add the salary of both and pay 2,000 from joint account.
Add this up: Rs. 31,000 monthly expenses to live liberally. Give me another 21 thousands, net of tax to save me. I will be happy with Rs. 240,000 per year saved in my account that will make me able t build my own ideal home in next five years. Understand?
For a poor civil servant with a MS degree and living in rented house in Kathmandu having no link with the Mafia types:
1. Rent: Two bedrooms + 1,500 per month.
2. Telephone Bill: Rs. 250 (why waste money?)
3. Electricity: Rs.150
4. Internet: Rs. 150 (Damn why it is needed at home?)
5. 2 Kids' education: Rs. 1,000
7. Monthly Travel Expenses: Rs. 250
8. Eating Out Every Weekend at a Good Place: $600 (150 per week)
9. Montly Savings for Emergency: Rs 500
10. Petrol and Other Traveling Expenses: (damn bike)
11. Naani (kids) harulai luga-fato ra aru farmaais: Rs. 350
12. Baa-Aaama ani relatives harulai present etc.: Rs 350 (fruits matrai ho)
13. Logne Swasnilaai Luga-Fato: Rs. 500 (sangini free ma paunchha)
14. Gharko Grocery Ityaadi: Rs. 2,000.
15. Ek Kaam Garni Kt/Kta: Ha ha ha... aaphui kasko gharma tuition padhayera gujara garnu parla jasto chha. Katako kam garne keta/keti?
Add this up: Rs. 7,600 monthly expenses to live economically. What will their dream be?
Desh pharkana man chha bhane pharka, yeti paye janchhu, uti paye janchhu bhanera chhahi dukha ma pareka sathi haru lai hansi naudau.
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