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on 24-Jan-02 07:27 PM
what is going happen to bhedifarm and chinedada ko khet? Do you guys really think, one day there will be a airport? and what is happening with clean phewa project? One more, who are the top ten richest person in POKHARA?
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HahooGuru Posted on 01-24-02 8:30 PM Reply | Notify Me
that Chhinedanda Int'l Airport, Pokhara
(It should not be otherway round, Pokhara Int'l Airport, Chhinedanda)
[I wish its not named as Paras International Airport or
Gyanendra International Airport, or Prachanda Int'l airport ]
1. It was planned in 2018saal, most of us
in this were not borned.
2. Germans once surveyed
and fixed the boundary of Airport in paper.
3. In 2032 - onward they paid Muabaza. At the start, they
paid Rs. 3,000 per ropani, then, 4,000 then 10,000
and I don't now. There are some who refused receive
any Muabaza. Like Narita is 300m shorter tha standard length of
Int'l Airport [2,500m) (Japan) Then, Chhindanda Int'l Airport, Pokahra
may pass through same problem, if Nepal really has democracy
and freedom to choose. I don't think. This can be seen from
the Tin-kune land acquisition scandal.
4. The Aviation Dept. / Tourism dept. tried to give it on
rent to Balloon ... Nan toka .. Companies. Once upon
a time, a few guys from Airport ...related Dept. came
to Chhinedanda (Faat= khet) and starting dismantling
Ali Kanla as if the guys were mad. Silly attempt. Then,
many peoples raised money and paid Ghus to the Govt.
Officers asking to stop the Madness.
5. Political landless peoples "I am also landless, though"
tried to invade the airport land. Locals fought. Succeeded
to keep them out.
6. A large sum of money is spent around end of Ashad by bringing
Bull-dozer, just a face save work to finish the budget. A relative
of mine is officer in the govt. office, he is angry with another
relative of mine, who is opposing his activites. I am Kawai-so
(..me confused..: I once said to him that That airport is
rubbish idea, better cancel it and turn to Agricultural Univ.,
".....". no answer). So, these two parties don't like to talk
on the subject when face to face, but, both heading their
face to more rugged road. Well, who will win? I am against
the construction of airport, and I have to participate
in rallies against the relative, and will surely earn new enemy,
as long as he don't retired.
My logics: a. the airport has high productivity of Rice and
good for three season production as time comes. So,
the total loss of food is not comparable with the income it
will have from siwtiching from old airport to new one.
Rather move it to Lumbini, and let better tourist bus
run in Prithvi high way, its jsut 200km and if
good vehicles run Pokhara can be reached in 3 -4 hours.
In Airport we having 1hr waiting time, 1hr for ticket
purchasing time, so bus can fullfill the main demands.
There can be 100s of flights if managed well the local
old airport.
b. geologically: landing big air plane, means its like hamming
a stone millions of times and breaking. the land in Pokhara
Seti wari, is very strong conglomerated but, if you use
hammer -impact- in long run like 100s of years later
it will show cracks and this airport will turn the area much useless.
So, its not good for big airplanes. Lumbini Int'l Airport
should be promoted, its a worth project.
c. Visibility: If KTM has cloud, Pokhara also had cloud,
if KTM has fogg, Pokhara also has fogg. So, same weather
situation because its just 100km away from KTM
if you measure straight distance. Its just 4th peak
if you look at mountains you cross. The widh of pokhara
valleyis about 3KM between (Kannani dada to sammi
ko dada), its like passing through tunnels. Large planes
can not make their head way until another plane
lands or takes off completely. There are no sufficient
imaginary surfaces that you need in airport construction.
Kathmandu valley is quite wide and RNAC Pilots can
take off and take a round, but, there is no space either side of
Pokhara to make a round if wheels don't open for large
planes, like Lauda sized planes. There was no
home work, and when it was planned we did not
have such big planes that we have now.
7. Its a political issue. Its rivals are Lumbini and KTM itself
as Diabolic bhai said.
8. If it turns out to be Int'l airport, KTM will be center of
illegal biz. peoples hub. specially, ISI of Pak. will have
easy access and they will love it to land all militants
to pass to India. Because away from capital means
less security, and more prone to hijacking. So, many
major airlines will divert their plane to India for better
security.
9. Our Mps will be divided, to cancel and bring the
projects so that some contractors can get job and
pay in election.
10. Local peoples who are involved in krishi in
that area will loss jobs, so, will be turned to
landless or forgotten peoples living behind airport.
From all those reasons, this is useless Airport plan.
Needs to be cancelled as early as possible and
Bhedi farm should have a big Agricultural Univ.
and a reseraach center whose agricultural land
for reserach is the land acquised for airport, and
local peoples can be good source of labour.
HahooGuru
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Diabolic
ID: 5466581 Posted on 01-24-02 8:52 PM Reply | Notify Me
hahoo Dai- well said about the International Project, although your views are completely baised, some of the points you made are very true.
tintaareji: Top Ten Richest People in Pokhara according to my Radar (I could easily miss few of them, so please make corrections). The numericals don't have value:
1. Jaya Sitaram. Surya Bahadur Khatri Chetri.
2. Hari Pande.
3. Goshali
4. Mahendra(?) Karki: Amar Bdr Karkiko chora
5. The Bastolas (they own a lot of land)
6. Nirmal Gurung
7. Uttam Pun
8. Binod Sherchan (Laxmi Paaurotiko Sahuji)
9. Panchkanya Group-- but lately heard that he was almost broke and was unable to pay 3 rupiyaa byaaj to numorous loans he had taken from private parties. Mero aafnai mancheko pani 15 laakh rupiya jhwai vayo.
10. Khoplange (I don't know his name, tara I heard he is a real makkhi chus and has over 200 ropani jagga inside PKR UMNP)
11. The Dwa's: aren't they the ones who own Binda-Baasini Cinema Hall?
Now, there are numerous nawa-dhanadyas which I haven't had chance to "wral kadhne" at their wealth. I could have easily missed some of the old ones too. I hope Hahoo Dai or others from PKR can input.
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HahooGuru Posted on 01-25-02 12:00 AM Reply | Notify Me
diabolic bhai,
Why my previous posting looks biased:
1. A project that started before I was borned,
seems never going complete before I die.
2. Because of 1: Whats the point in losing
the valuable land. Now its 4,00,000 per ropani.
We got only Rs. 3,000 per ropani. We could not
buy another same area even near begnash taal
at the time.
3. Just by paying the Muabza, this project made
many peoples jadaya, homeless, and juwade.
How many now really have worthful equivalnet
replacement.
4. We lost our community. Many went to muglan.
5. We could have better water supply lines,
roads, Telephone if this project was
not disturbing our existing roads.
6. The section crossed by the so called mega
prroject in Pokhara, would not have been there,
we could walk all the way night. Now, its a place
where smackist stay and wait for some one to
pass and snatch all belongings. Several time
passerby were killed and threatened. Even my
relatives were caught in broad day light.
7. The cut one very big (very very big ) tree at the
center of Kudhahar faat. That was not less than 300
years old. Shame on these peoples, cut such old tree
and burn lime to make chuna.
8. The corruptions: they ask for money in every
khet ropne time, the govt. officers at Aviationi Dept.
otherwise threaten to use dozer.
9. They play politics because of this project.
10. Brain drain problem created by the project,
can not be simply neglected.
BTW, Diabolic bhai you had the same list that
I thought of putting it.
I heard there is one guy in kudahar who is agent
in sending peoples to Arab, because he has good
relation with Peoples in Arabian Emb. because of
being .... has earned a lot. Some one who was
trying to go to Arab for making money a long time
back was talking to me, in Pokhareli gaule Bhasa,
"Murdar le kya kamaye chha". "Tara ke garnu
smack chahi khub chahine rahichha". "Tyo ta smack
le nai khattam huncha" .
"Smack = Brown sugar".
Bastola Bros., Mandar Krishna, the Buddha Super
Maraket ko shahu ji, ................. Palikhe
Brothers, Dambar Bahadur Karki, who could be
must rich man if he could have saved the
land both side of Prithvi Highway west of
Amar singh chowk. I think he still has "too
many hath of mohada".
New rich are emerging, and they are in line.
Another local community that was devasted by
Megha project was the Koiralas who had
house on the land where you have today the
Nurse campus/training center east of
Gandaki Hospital. I feel so sorry the way
our rulers run Bull-dozer.
HahooGuru
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Diabolic
ID: 5466581 Posted on 01-25-02 1:14 AM Reply | Notify Me
haahoo Dai:
The reason I am saying you are baised is all your points are NEGATIVE. There are some positive sides to this project as well. That's all I meant.
Nirmal Gurung: I don't know if he takes smack, but he is the one who is sending people to Arab. He knows this guy named Dr. Moosa (he is a multi-millionaire) in Arab. He's got a big house in Arghau. He was also building a hospital there, but don't know what happened.
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Diabolic
ID: 5466581 Posted on 01-25-02 2:37 AM Reply | Notify Me
yes I missed- Mandar Krishna (Krishna Acharya), I heard him and both Phanindra Man left Rara Noodles. Phanindra Man had another Noodles company but did not do well. His group also sold their Soap Factory to Entepe (Khanal group of Ktm).
Others I missed: Siva-Shankar Buscuit wala, Pradhanharu, Ananda Raj Mulmi, BBC Radioko sauji, Parajuliharu, then there is this Regmi (can't recall his first name) but they make Furniture. Then there was this guy who owned a large Travel Agency in Kathmandu. They were also the ones who owned the Cement Factory in Majjuwa Khaireni (later sold to Panchakanya).
I am sure there are more Gurungs and Thakalis that I can't name, aafu "bahun chari" pariyo.
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HahooGuru Posted on 01-25-02 5:57 AM Reply | Notify Me
mandar Krishna and his colleagues both were kicked out of Gandaki
Noodles Pvt. Ltd. As you can guess, in Nepal, when some one becomes
CEO in a company they behave as if a great boss of all the board of
directors. So, others especially Sita Ram rallied and kicked out
these two pioneers of Rara Chow Chow. When I was a kid I remember
Krishna ji used to come to my Uncle's house and had plan of
buying the Machine from Japan and making Rara Chow Chow from
scratch. Krishna ji (in Pokhara peoples know him Daa-se Krishna,
now Mandar Krishna). Finally, rara hit the store. They bought
whole project in Rs. 30lakh (time) at that time, when Krishna
ji left the Rara he got crores for just his few lakh shares. Thats
called biz. peoples. Fanidra was the owner of Gandaki noodles
(classicle noodle, little different from modern spaghetti), and
in an interview when interviewer asked why the trade mark
has Hatti ko sudh? Fanindra replied when you try to eat
chow chow your nose looks like long nagbeli like hatti ko
sudh. Thats why they had Gandaki Noodles Factory with
Hatti ko sudh as logo.
For those who are from Pokhara, if you want to have your
own original spiced Rara chow chow, you can get the
scrumbled chow chow from factory or near by factory
in a very cheap price and can have chow chow party.
If you are travelling to Pokhara, you can get such
packs in cheap price and have own original Hahoo
Chow chow. I like it very much, though, an aunt of mine
who have share in this factory, offers always the
same chow chow as Khaja. Rara chow chow ko
quality aajkal ghatyo ya aba ta Rara khada khada
bho pugyo "Kaki" bhanna pani painna, khaye khau
nakhaye ghicha. Tyo ta yaso ni, sittai payera po,
kinna parya bhe ta feri daat bata pasian chuhinthyo ni.
Any way, Rara is a great thing that came out of
Pokhara and we (Pokhareli peoples) should be proud of it.
When I was student in India, I was surprised to find
the Rara in a local khudra shop.
Recently, Maggie is struggling to replace Rara from
Nepali Market, but, addicted Nepalis don't like
Nestle's Maggie. Once upon a time, Nestle even
played a game, while selling the Baby Milk No. 1
(i.e. baby milk power for just borned babies), they,
asked the retailers to buy Maggie if they want to
sell Nestle Baby Milk No. 1, still Maggie flopped.
Nestle offered a huge sum, the way Red Hat
(Linux distributor) is offered huge sum, to buy
the Rara Brand name. Its a tactics thats going
on. Lets see how long Rara will remain pride of
Pokhareli peoples.
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Lets move to next topic.
The Airport and my -ve attitude on this project.
Diabolic bhai, this airport has no +ve imact on
Pokhara's bhabisya, except a few lo"o"ttory to
some contractors and govt. officers. No thing
for Pokhareli peoples. We don't need it, we
better change this site to Agricultural university,
that can provide better jobs and invite more
educated peoples. We can make Pokhara a
Science City of Nepal. We already have several
colleges, and a "desh bhari famous" good school
the Gandaki Boarding School, lets tap the best
students and turn Pokhara, Science city of Nepal.
I am sure with the emerge of Pokhara Univ. and
if we can use Bhedi farm and the Proposed Airport
site into another agricultural and
live stock reserach center, we can even start
of changing its Name, Pokhara Science City,
The Science City of Nepal. Well, when I got
Ph.D. seven years back, I was (from my
knowledge and survey) the first to get
this degree, but, I wish turning Pokhara UMNP
into Pokhara Science City, our kids in Pokhara
can dream of being Dr. in their own home town
and we can surely have better jobs and
2digit K rupees jobs. We will not have brain
drain problem. But, in present, Pokhara
I have difficulty of finding peoples to think
of having educational institution, but,
most peoples are thinking of being millionnaire
over the night. With the emergence of
Manipal College, and Pokhara Univ., Forestry
Institute, Engineering college, ....
we can hope to change Pokhara into
real Pokhara Science City. We need to have
educated Political Leaders, and combine the
Lekhnath and current Pokhara NP into
Science City of Pokhara. We have to start
building mental prepared ness using Internet.
Well, some will say my dream being Bullshit,
but, I am confident we can start peoples talking
this topic in Mahenra Pool.
HahooGuru
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HahooGuru Posted on 01-25-02 6:07 AM Reply | Notify Me
i was (from my knowledge and survey) the first to get
this degree, but....
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I was the first among local peoples "borned in that part of
town" in East south corner
i.e. south of Prithvi Highway and East of Seti River.
Which is almost 1/4of Pokhara City . I wonder whether
there is 2nd one. So, I have a big responsibility
to rally peoples in that area. Afno ad. afaile garnu
pareko ma dukh lagcha. Tara appeal pani ta garnu
paryo ni, why am I shouting here.
HahooGuru.
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on 25-Jan-02 01:30 PM
Dear Haahooji!
Just to let you know, Krishna Acharya whom I am related to was not kicked out from RARA, rather we left on our belief that Noodles business was getting saturated and there was little more money to be made. The last few years have proven that we have been right. There are over 15 Noodles factories in Nepal. The USD has gone up and every raw material needed, the prices have gone up, transportation costs have gone up, Dealers require more credit facility and yet the price of Noodles has been stagnant at Rs. 9 for 4-5 years now. Its not my intention to change the flow of this topic, but thought you would like to know what happened.
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on 30-Jan-02 08:07 PM
GPji alias Hahooguruji
Good luck in your dream to make Pokhara a city of Academic excellence. Especially the nearby agricultural stations can be used as off-station research centers for the Agricultural University. Where is it going to be? A whim started to establish a Agricultural University out of Rampur Campus. Though there are still debate about the place : Tikapur (Kailali) or Rampur (Chitwan). Netaharuko kamaune thaun yehan pani chha hai.
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on 31-Jan-02 12:36 AM
Taat ji
The coin has two side and we have to hear the story of both
sides. Whether you believe it or not, there is a very big
bargain going on to buy the name "Rara". Whatever you
call the "Rara" is the center of Nepali Chow Chow industry
and Pioneer of Rara Mr. Krishna (Mandar Krishna ji) just
don't leave the company he established, don't leave the
experience he earned, just don't leave the name he
earned. His rival former good friend of KA, The Sitaram
(Surya Bahadur KC) won the game inside the
board of directors and Krishan ji left. Its something like
Uttam Pun (Hamro Uttam-dai in Pokhara, hai diabolic bhai)
pressured his staff from Bank job, because situation
arised to do so. So, lets not elongate this thread, because
we both have limited knowledge on what happened inside
the meetings. You got information from probably another
BOD, and I got also from another BOD. Lets close the
topic here that Krishan ji left as you said, like Uttam dai
bank staff le Rajinama diyera arko job place ma gayo.
HahooGuru
FYI: Some members of our own family also used to be
long time Biz. partner of Sitaram/Krishna ji/ . . . . ..
Being a Jaisi Bahun, and Krishna ji being Upadhe Bahun,
we have no direct or mama-phupaju tira ko saino. But,
I know him very well, and I do respect him as a good
and successful enterprenuer from Pokhara.
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on 31-Jan-02 01:35 AM
Haahoo Dai Namasker!
I don't know the Soap Opera that went on at BOD meetings of Gandaki Noodles. Bazaarma halla chahi chalya ho. KA sir (I worked for him for one year) ko sidebata maile dherai kura suneko chaina. Whatever the case, I was also very impressed by him. I worked under him at Sagarmatha Patrika. He was very proffessional tara Politiksle garda he left. I have heard he is doing quite well with other ventures, some Business complex in New Road, Kathmandu, Medicare Hospital, import/export etc. etc.. If Taatji is who I think he is, I am sure he knows the far more details.
I think I know who Taatji is, although I am not sure he knows me. Kathmandu hurkekaale Pokhrelilai tyati chindainan kya, Taatji- nothing against you, I am speaking of generally.
Taatji bhulchuk vayema agrim maaf.
Sitaram KC, KA sir, Hari Pande, Uttam Pun etc. are pokharaka hasti nai hun, mannai parcha.
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on 31-Jan-02 07:01 AM
Diabolic Bhai,
You are right, whatever Sita Ram, Uttam Pun, KA may be in
their rival's face, they are quite helpful to general Pokhareli Peoples
and I am sure they will do something for you if you are in
trouble and need someone to get the things done, and I mean
"the things" which govt. peoples had to do without any
trouble if these employees were for the people, getting salary
by the peoples TAX. As we know in Nepal, our govt.
employees do samething if there is influence, and if you
don't have any effective influence, they will say "yo mildaina",
and when you are in trouble with such "yo mildaina", SR, UP & KA
can surely help you to make it "has hazoor, hazoor le bhane pachi
je pani milcha". Its because they pay other kind of TAX regularly.
Nepali govt. employees have learned the
worst thing from Indians thats what Indians learned from British.
Afoo bhanda mathika lai YES SIR, TALAKA lai ORDER GAR,
hune kura pani hunna bhanna saknu nai hamro govt. employee
haruko pride ho and thats their happiness. Thats how they
make money. If you know a govt. employee personally,
and you can never believe or in position to accept that he
is so bad to others whom he don't know personally. Afno manche
ko matra kaam garne chalan, and nachineko manche ko chahi
ki Paisa chahine, ki influence chahine, is Newest Nepali
govt. Employee's culture. Thats why close relatives see
and feel their relatives in govt. doing fine and good people.
Now, what we need in Pokhara is the network of Janne Sunne
Bujhne Manche and help peoples in trouble for small small thing
for which the govt. employees, especially not from Pokhara/Kaski
create jhijo halchan for thins which they could do it without any
hurdle. This happens in Adalat, in Maalpot and Banks, and
other district offices. In KTM its not so easy when the peoples
from villages look sidha-sadha and govt. employee smell money,
they just create jhijo and pull the trigger "loop holes in law"
asking money. Well, if you have a local employee in any
govt. office in Pokhara, they are more kind because they
are approachable via other means like Politicians, but, when
someone comes out of District, he smells only money and
uses the gun "loopholes in law" asking money for anything
he do. Being these cunning govt. employee the regualr
customer of the Pokhareli gang of 4, they listen to them.
AS we have seen its very difficult to find substantial number
of Pokhareli educated peoples: the list of honest and
respectables will drop much below, so these four will remain
center of Pokhareli Power, whether someone like or dislike.
Well, there are some more, but, they are suffering from
HaatMukh jorne samasya, so not many will entertain your
request for help, free of charge. If the situation of the 2nd
hill town of Nepal is like this, what could be the situation in
other districts.
HahooGuru
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