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Why go back to Nepal?

   We always hear of desh pharka abhiyan an 25-Jan-02 Hari Om
     I am sorry that you and the people for w 25-Jan-02 krishna
       Hari Om or Harry 'Om whatever ur name is 25-Jan-02 voice
         well, in my view, where people live and 25-Jan-02 Durcheruwa
           Hi Hari OM ji and everyone, 90% of th 25-Jan-02 SMSainju
             Now, the biggest problem in Nepal regard 25-Jan-02 HahooGuru
               Let me put this whole thing in a differe 27-Jan-02 Harke
                 IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII yatro, hypothetical 27-Jan-02 Makardhoj
                   Fundamental question: Does working/li 28-Jan-02 ashu


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Hari Om Posted on 25-Jan-02 05:03 PM

We always hear of desh pharka abhiyan and such things. But I question these why??? Let's face it we cannot change anything in Nepal. We can't change the corruption that is rooted in Nepal. We can't change the way things are in Nepal.

Can someone show me how things might change in Nepal? Is there any hope left? Lot's of people living in Nepal have lost their hopes and are waiting to jump ship at any available opportunity if it ever comes to them. If this is the case, we would be stupid to consider going back to live in Nepal - hoping to make a difference.

Just be practical ok? You are not going to make ANY difference. Maybe a little bit, but not enough to change the way things are. Not enuff to give justice to the abused. Not enough to get rid of corruption.
krishna Posted on 25-Jan-02 05:24 PM

I am sorry that you and the people for whom you presume to speak feel that it is not possible for you to effect positive change back home. While it might very well prove fruitless for you to attempt changing the world around you, you can certainly change yourself. Your advice to "Be practical" is good; you should take it yourself. Each of us has lots of practical changes we can make in our own lives; I know you can lead by example, if you keep a positive and realistic attitude. And, believe it or not, others will begin to see you as a self-confident, "can-do" man. I know this from personal experience. You were smart enough to bring up a good topic--you can figure out the rest. Good luck!
voice Posted on 25-Jan-02 06:22 PM

Hari Om or Harry 'Om whatever ur name is,listen if u r not going back to ur country,good luck.and the reason u have mentioned really looks silly to me.hey u not going there to change the country.first change urself"aanfu bhalo ta jagat nai bhaloo".u mentioned that u r not going back to ur country because of the corruption. Ha ha ha dude i would call ya pathetic or wannabee or i don't know may be too much westernized or u must have come here winning Green Card lottery after so many years of low-post work at the govt. office(frustrated).dude open ur eyes no matter what u r here, u r just an alien, who is dreaming to be like an americans. and no way u gonna look like them.doesn't matter whether u dye ur hair into blonde or .."crow cannot be truned into crane by washing"u got it right?if not lemme know.hey dude do not take it personally but u gotta love ur country there is no place like home"janni janma bhumischa swarga dapi yathachite"means the place where u born is better than the heaven.one day we 'll eradicte it if we hold our together.unity is strength.so get ready a'right.i'll pick u up before i leave this country.we r already three of us here.
Durcheruwa Posted on 25-Jan-02 06:42 PM

well, in my view, where people live and what kind of life style to lead are totally personal discision. In this day and age, I don't think where you live matters most. What matters most is we shouldn't give hope for the betterment of our country Nepal. I know in Nepal, lot could be better but I am not going to ride on the bandwagon of cynicism. I know, that day will come when we all feel proud of our country. Whatever we are doing, whereever we are as a Nepali we should strive for success and do the best what we can. Either you are teacher teaching at remote village of Nepal, or hardworking guy at Saudi Arabia or finest researcher at NASA here in US, you all are contributing something good to Nepal. We should not finger point to eachother and say I am more patriotic than you are and so and so forth.
SMSainju Posted on 25-Jan-02 08:36 PM

Hi Hari OM ji and everyone,

90% of the nepalese living in the US, Australia, UK, ..... come from a family who have one form of corruption link or the other and I can guarantee you on that. Having said this, and knowing the fact that the corruption has plunged into our lives so profoundly, it sounds ludicrous for me to expect CHANGE for BETTER. Not that I am questioning your integrety or doubting your intellectual ability but had I known the way to CHANGE, I would have done it myself many years ago. What purplexes me even more is the fact that we forget to point finger to ourselves first before pointing it to others.

I don't expect you to change, nor do I expect the government to change. Nonetheless, I expect to change myself for better. Glen Frey said, "you can't change the world, but you can change yourself." It begins with you. You start and I will do the same. One follows and multiplies..... and believe me it won't take much to what you have now anticipated to see..


SMSainju
HahooGuru Posted on 25-Jan-02 10:52 PM

Now, the biggest problem in Nepal regarding corruption
is almost majority of the govt. officers take bribe and
criticize others taking it, as if they are clean. Most of
sons/daughters of elite govt. officers make lot of
fun on others having ghush, while they don't ask their
parents to take ghush. Some of such elite Nep. kids
are hanging here too.

My solution method:

1. I don't take ghush. Well, you might start saying that
"hey, don't have chance to get ghush so you are shouting
here of not taking ghush.". When I had offer to have
ghush and share with boss, when I was Khane Pani
Lalitpur Sakha ko Engineer, I did decline the offer and
my boss asked me to go to Pokhara to celebrate
New Years Day, when returned from Pokhara an Overseer
signed on my behalf "Engineer bida ma baseko le,
nimitta bhai ... pramadit garne".... Do you have such
guts. At least, I have not taken any ghush yet in
return any things done by me or requested others to
do the job on my recommendation. I can claim it.

2. If possible don't pay Ghus too, when some of the
things can be done by waiting some additional time,
e.g. Telephone line, GPO Box, jagga kin-bech, ....
Avoid taking things to Nepal that requires huge
amt. of money as custom clearance.

3. Some time, you want to get your things done as
early as possible because of some reasons like
there is no other way than paying ghus. Then,
I suggest you to pay: while you pay or going to
pay such ghush, its better you accompany someone
else too, so that he also witness how you are paying
it. Then, when you get your jobs done, let the world
know that you have paid Ghush and how much paid.
At least now you can used Sajha.com and let peoples
know that you have really paid. Since you had one
witness, there is reason to believe it. I do pay ghus
when I have no substitute, but, I clearly tell that
such and such person took ghus. There are many
places where you can not adopt the method pointed
in two. In this way, you can survive in Nepal and
also we can help in reducing the corruption.

Example: When I went to register a company
"Net Consultants Pvt. Ltd." several years when
NET word was not so important, the clerk asked
few rupees in return to speeding up the work,
I said I don't have money to pay you for speeding
up the work. Next time, I went there to register
another Company, and the guy ".... Pokharel"
in the registration Faat was asking Bholi and Bholi
and I did not pay him a koudi, because there were
many lekhan das "so called Lawyers", roaming
around him and suddenly I found a scene
he "The Pokharel" opened his Table drawer
and the lekhan dar suddenly put a bunch of
folded 100 rupees inside the drawer and closed
instantly. I am sure that is Ghus for speeding
up the work. "Oh, tyasari po khada rahechhan
ta Ghush". Thats why lingering our work, yo bhayen
u bhayen..... finally, I reached to the boss and
said "Ma kati din dhaune ho sir". Then, The Pokh was
angry with me for complaining his boss.

Yes, I paid Ghush in GPO office, because I did not
know the guy was asking it ghus, because he
gave me receipt, later I found it a real ghush.
I still have that receipt.

Once I went to pay Malpot on behalf of someone
else, the Malpot was 30paisa, and the Baidar
of Malpot asked me buy one Filter Churot
for him while he prepared the Rashid. If I remebered
correctly the guy was not from the same section
because the main guy was out and he was working
on others behalf and "euta churot lyaidiine bhe
ma gari diula ... ".

These day, I carry my Digital Camera and Voice
Recorder, and record all conversatoins. So, Police
to govt. peoples think that I am journalist.
Last Nov. I went to see off someone at TIA,
and when I was waiting outside, a person
entered inside TIA and the Police misbehaved
the guy. I was really disappointed with the
particular police. I took his photograph
using my digital camera, and he was asking kina
liyeko. I told him this is public place and you have
no control over me, and do you know you are
getting job from our tax. . . . . Then, he asked
me "Are you a journalist? ", I said no, and someone
came to rescue me voluntarily and said, "waha ko
manche bhitra janu huda liyeko photo ni, tapai
ko kina hunthyo........ " That police went inside and
was sitting in a chair reading newspaper. Unfotunately,
I lost my all photographs because the SmartMedia
crashed in my computer, a Sad story. I would surely
wanted to post it here.

So, lets do documentation of all corrupt officer
and their agents, we can change it. Since we don't
have power to punish these corrupts by sending them
in Jail, but, we can make a propaganda at least
let people know. Unfortuntely, everyone knows
Govinde, Khume, Bame took ghush, but, what happened
to them? Well, if you come up with solide proof of
paying ghus, then, we can surely make a noise and
awareness to people. We need to have public awareness.
This is only possible by letting peoples know that
such and such peoples take ghush, and such and
such methods can avoid such ghush.

Another method of Ghus taken in Banks:
You need money to go to HongKong to buy some
goods to sell in Nepali market. In HongKong there
are some agents who accumulate dollars from
Nepalis working around the world via Hundi.
Thus, if you can pay some money in Nepal
in return to getting dollars in HongKong, you
can buy huge amoutn of goods. So, how to get
such money instantly? Its how they do trick in
Ratriya Banijya Bank in New Road area and Bishal
Bazzar. In Friday, after all biz. close, the bank
manager, and khajanchi open the Shelf and
lend the amount of money required to the biz.
peoples, and the biz. peoples transfer it to
those whose money is collected in HongKong or
elsewhere, and in HongKong his agents start
buying goods. In Saturday, he returns to Nepal
with goods. On Sunday, he distributes to
local retailers and dealersl, and collects money.
In early Monday morning, the bank opens and
money is replaced secretly. Thus, Manager and
Khajanchi get the share, who losses?
Bank itself. Because of lot of red tapes, Bank
has difficult rules for those who want to have
money for 2-3 days like this bix. in example.
So, more rules mean more room for corruption.
and Bank can not give money in loan, but,
manager and khajanchi give it one loan. Thus,
Manager and khajanchi make durbar jasta
ghar, while Nepal Bank and Rastriya Banijya Bank
are in the verge of collapse.

How Private Banks operate?
Private Banks give loan to peoples and they have
floating account. But, there is a trick in making
money. They don't give loan directly to the
peoples, but, ask peoples to put some "Bandhki"
"achal property", thus, they ask some agents
to submit the valuation. Who are the agents?
The Bank Peoples own daju bhai or relative ko
Valuation company, and if you want to do valuation
from other company they will put lot of red tapes
or the Bank does not recognize them.. Thus, you
have to pay some % for valuation of your achal
sampati. And, the % share will be shared by
Bank 's top employees. If you don't know or
don't trust me, I can introduce someone who
had paid such money and know it very well
that its a real trick. The valuating company was
the Bank Onwers son's company.

HahooGuru
Harke Posted on 27-Jan-02 01:42 AM

Let me put this whole thing in a different way. YES I WOULD CERTAINLY RETURN TO NEPAL BUT i would really not care about this corruption shit goin on there. Yes few friends have pointed out a good thought of changing oneself and let multiplication occur. If that happens ..great I would love to see that. Even if that does not happen I dont give a shit.......With American education I will probabaly be in a handy position out there and will settle in Nepal comfortably.
One thing is for sure. This is not our land and it will take 3 generations to be yours mentally(u can make it legally though!) ie your grandson CAN say I am American without any problem-NOT YOU MY FREN!!
And... I am certainly not going to think about my grandson NOW.
Makardhoj Posted on 27-Jan-02 07:33 PM

IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII yatro,
hypothetical kura garchhas ketaharu!

Tan chor haru koi farkinnas Nepal.

Yatro jagir paunchhas tan chor harule tyahan?
ashu Posted on 28-Jan-02 11:10 AM

Fundamental question:

Does working/living in Nepal for some time or permanently FIT IN with
professional and personal goals that you have (loosely or rigorously)
set up/decided/planned for you and your family?

If the answer is no, then, be honest, accept that 'no'; and save yourself a lot
of grief, misery and frustrations, and stay where you are or go elsewhere.

After all, disillusioned, bitter and frustrated returnees, are the LAST THINGS
Nepal needs. And you need NOT feel guilty about not coming back. There ARE ways of contributing much to Nepal without always being physically within the
Mechi-Mahakali borders.

If the answer to the above question is yes, then, by all means, come back. You obviously see Nepal as a temporary or permanent means to achieve your own personal or professional goals, and that's just great.

In either case, appeal to your own honest self-interests, and accept the
outcome and learn to be happy with that outcome. With due respect to
Hinduism, you have, after all, ONLY ONE life to live, and yo should look for
ways to make the best of it.

If you don't know how to answer the question above, then, spend some time getting to know yourself better, getting to know your strengths and your weaknesses better, getting to know what makes you happy, productive and fulfilled and what doesn't.

In other words, know thyself FIRST -- as honestly as you can.

I love Nepal and all that, but take it from me that patriotism is way over-rated.
Be happy and productive and try make a difference in other people's lives
wherever you are -- whether in Nepal or outside of it.

Best wishes,

oohi
ashu
ktm,nepal