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How do they do "GHUS-khane-pachaune" in Nepal?

   Lets talk on Ghush Khanu, khwaune and Pa 25-Jan-02 HahooGuru
     Part II: Some Examples on Ghushyaharu ko 25-Jan-02 HahooGuru
       HahooGuru, your assessment of currption 26-Jan-02 Durcheruwa
         Before i came to US on 98'. I had to go 26-Jan-02 dariwal


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HahooGuru Posted on 25-Jan-02 11:13 PM

Lets talk on Ghush Khanu, khwaune and Pachaune.
Its time we talk on how to make them Vomit the
GHUSH.


Now, the biggest problem in Nepal regarding corruption
is almost all the govt. officers take bribe and
criticize others taking it, as if they are clean. Most of
sons/daughters of elite govt. officers make lot of
fun on others having ghush, while they don't ask their
parents to take ghush. Some of such elite Nep. kids
are hanging here too.

My solution method:

1. I don't take ghush. Well, you might start saying that
"hey, don't have chance to get ghush so you are shouting
here of not taking ghush.". When I had offer to have
ghush and share with boss, when I was Khane Pani
Lalitpur Sakha ko Engineer, I did decline the offer and
my boss asked me to go to Pokhara to celebrate
New Years Day, when returned from Pokhara an Overseer
signed on my behalf "Engineer bida ma baseko le,
nimitta bhai ... pramadit garne".... Do you have such
guts. At least, I have not taken any ghush yet in
return any things done by me or requested others to
do the job on my recommendation. I can claim it.

2. If possible don't pay Ghus too, when some of the
things can be done by waiting some additional time,
e.g. Telephone line, GPO Box, jagga kin-bech, ....
Avoid taking things to Nepal that requires huge
amt. of money as custom clearance.

3. Some time, you want to get your things done as
early as possible because of some reasons like
there is no other way than paying ghus. Then,
I suggest you to pay: while you pay or going to
pay such ghush, its better you accompany someone
else too, so that he also witness how you are paying
it. Then, when you get your jobs done, let the world
know that you have paid Ghush and how much paid.
At least now you can used Sajha.com and let peoples
know that you have really paid. Since you had one
witness, there is reason to believe it. I do pay ghus
when I have no substitute, but, I clearly tell that
such and such person took ghus. There are many
places where you can not adopt the method pointed
in two. In this way, you can survive in Nepal and
also we can help in reducing the corruption.

Example: When I went to register a company
"Net Consultants Pvt. Ltd." several years when
NET word was not so important, the clerk asked
few rupees in return to speeding up the work,
I said I don't have money to pay you for speeding
up the work. Next time, I went there to register
another Company, and the guy ".... Pokharel"
in the registration Faat was asking Bholi and Bholi
and I did not pay him a koudi, because there were
many lekhan das "so called Lawyers", roaming
around him and suddenly I found a scene
he "The Pokharel" opened his Table drawer
and the lekhan dar suddenly put a bunch of
folded 100 rupees inside the drawer and closed
instantly. I am sure that is Ghus for speeding
up the work. "Oh, tyasari po khada rahechhan
ta Ghush". Thats why lingering our work, yo bhayen
u bhayen..... finally, I reached to the boss and
said "Ma kati din dhaune ho sir". Then, The Pokh was
angry with me for complaining his boss.

Yes, I paid Ghush in GPO office, because I did not
know the guy was asking it ghus, because he
gave me receipt, later I found it a real ghush.
I still have that receipt.

Once I went to pay Malpot on behalf of someone
else, the Malpot was 30paisa, and the Baidar
of Malpot asked me buy one Filter Churot
for him while he prepared the Rashid. If I remebered
correctly the guy was not from the same section
because the main guy was out and he was working
on others behalf and "euta churot lyaidiine bhe
ma gari diula ... ".

These day, I carry my Digital Camera and Voice
Recorder, and record all conversatoins. So, Police
to govt. peoples think that I am journalist.
Last Nov. I went to see off someone at TIA,
and when I was waiting outside, a person
entered inside TIA and the Police misbehaved
the guy. I was really disappointed with the
particular police. I took his photograph
using my digital camera, and he was asking kina
liyeko. I told him this is public place and you have
no control over me, and do you know you are
getting job from our tax. . . . . Then, he asked
me "Are you a journalist? ", I said no, and someone
came to rescue me voluntarily and said, "waha ko
manche bhitra janu huda liyeko photo ni, tapai
ko kina hunthyo........ " That police went inside and
was sitting in a chair reading newspaper. Unfotunately,
I lost my all photographs because the SmartMedia
crashed in my computer, a Sad story. I would surely
wanted to post it here.

So, lets do documentation of all corrupt officer
and their agents, we can change it. Since we don't
have power to punish these corrupts by sending them
in Jail, but, we can make a propaganda at least
let people know. Unfortuntely, everyone knows
Govinde, Khume, Bame took ghush, but, what happened
to them? Well, if you come up with solide proof of
paying ghus, then, we can surely make a noise and
awareness to people. We need to have public awareness.
This is only possible by letting peoples know that
such and such peoples take ghush, and such and
such methods can avoid such ghush.

Ghus Khanu Bhachha ya Khwaunu Bhachha
bhane Kripaya Yaha "THAHA" Dinue Hola.

HahooGuru
HahooGuru Posted on 25-Jan-02 11:14 PM

Part II: Some Examples on Ghushyaharu ko

Another method of Ghus taken in Banks:
You need money to go to HongKong to buy some
goods to sell in Nepali market. In HongKong there
are some agents who accumulate dollars from
Nepalis working around the world via Hundi.
Thus, if you can pay some money in Nepal
in return to getting dollars in HongKong, you
can buy huge amoutn of goods. So, how to get
such money instantly? Its how they do trick in
Ratriya Banijya Bank in New Road area and Bishal
Bazzar. In Friday, after all biz. close, the bank
manager, and khajanchi open the Shelf and
lend the amount of money required to the biz.
peoples, and the biz. peoples transfer it to
those whose money is collected in HongKong or
elsewhere, and in HongKong his agents start
buying goods. In Saturday, he returns to Nepal
with goods. On Sunday, he distributes to
local retailers and dealersl, and collects money.
In early Monday morning, the bank opens and
money is replaced secretly. Thus, Manager and
Khajanchi get the share, who losses?
Bank itself. Because of lot of red tapes, Bank
has difficult rules for those who want to have
money for 2-3 days like this bix. in example.
So, more rules mean more room for corruption.
and Bank can not give money in loan, but,
manager and khajanchi give it one loan. Thus,
Manager and khajanchi make durbar jasta
ghar, while Nepal Bank and Rastriya Banijya Bank
are in the verge of collapse.

How Private Banks operate?
Private Banks give loan to peoples and they have
floating account. But, there is a trick in making
money. They don't give loan directly to the
peoples, but, ask peoples to put some "Bandhki"
"achal property", thus, they ask some agents
to submit the valuation. Who are the agents?
The Bank Peoples own daju bhai or relative ko
Valuation company, and if you want to do valuation
from other company they will put lot of red tapes
or the Bank does not recognize them.. Thus, you
have to pay some % for valuation of your achal
sampati. And, the % share will be shared by
Bank 's top employees. If you don't know or
don't trust me, I can introduce someone who
had paid such money and know it very well
that its a real trick. The valuating company was
the Bank Onwers son's company.

HahooGuru
Durcheruwa Posted on 26-Jan-02 11:08 AM

HahooGuru, your assessment of currption : How it's done and who does it is very good one. "Afno anga ma jumra nadhekne, arka ko anga ma vhaisi dekhne" attitude is common among every body. As a member of Nepali socieity, I take responsibility for it too. We as a society failed to associate bribery as disgraceful, filthy and shameful thing. As long as one builds big banglow, sends his/her daughter/son to expensive schools and eventually to America/Europe/India in self finance, buys pajero, we as society, are so quick to accord him/her how successsful he/she is. For example, " mero jwai ...ahile vansar ma hakim hunuhuncha .waha ko ramro cha.";" mero sathi DSP cha, mero chora ko license banaidyo"; and so on and so forth are the common statements we don't even hesistate to declare with pride. Bribery is institutionalized. The common thinking among us is ( except minuscule some) as long one makes money it doesn't matter how he or she makes it. Despite knowing salary of our fathers/mothers do not even cover the fraction of our school fees, we never bother to ask or think how does all this money come or may be we are too busy riding the latest motorcycle our father has bought on ours birthdays. We just don't know. But we know one thing we know how to act and think as if we are pontiffs of morality and quick on pointing others how others are marinated in ghush. Always the attitude is everybody bad except me or my father/ mother. You may think, I must be son of one of those fat cats and this writing is result of my guilt consciousness! Well I wish I were. My father, despite being government employee, how come he never managed to pay my tuition fee on time. And I was not even attending STX, BudaNilkantha or Lincoln. My school was public school. Given the Nepali society and it’s expectation and it’s moral view, my father is stupid stupid and stupid not to take ghush. What he has got doing that? Scorn from his friends and relatives. Certainly not gold medal. But well I will not let that happen to me. If I return to Nepal and get government job, and if all the norms and (moral) expectation of society remain unchanged, I will out-ghush any known ghusyaha. I will make sure my son get to ride thunderous Harley in the street of Kathmandu and I will make house bigger than Narayanhiti Rajdarbar. Btw, after that, I will think of investing some of the money on the good business plan you guys mentioned here in one of the thread.
dariwal Posted on 26-Jan-02 03:07 PM

Before i came to US on 98'. I had to go to malpot and transfer all the property to my mom and brother's name. But there was a mess about our one piece of land in kathmandu. anyway, I had to make sure that the land is in my father's name. All i asked to this guy in Chabel malpot was to look up the log book and tell me if my father's name was associated with that perticular land. He told me on my face " It'll cost Rs.300. I told him i don't have money to pay and plus that's not how much it cost to do that thing". He didn't do it and then unfortunatley, i had to ask someone who i knew to look it up and he did it for me.
The worst thing is when i went to submit some paper into a log which is kept for the information(not for people but for the malpot itself), the lady there asked me if i could get her "chiaa" after that. What she meant was some money. I said " hunccha didi, ma garihalchhu ni" then when she did it. i went to the cafteria and got a cup of tea and put it on her table and pretended that i didn't understand the real meaning and told her " la didi, tapai ko chia" and left. I still remember her face, she was pissed.