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| sparsha |
Posted
on 20-Dec-00 09:39 AM
The following news is taken from Kantipuronline:
Scores injured in Biratnagar clash
KOL Report
KATHMANDU, Dec. 20- At least 23 people, including students, police and bus service employees have been injured in clashes between students, bus workers and police in Biratnagar Wednesday afternoon. Four of the injured are reported to be in a serious condition with two sustaining bullet injuries from police firing.
According to reports, the clashes between students and bus-workers was spark-off by an incident yesterday in which a student was badly beaten-up by a bus conductor over bus fare dispute.
College students who had gone to the local Biratnagar bus park today to protest the action clashed with bus workers. Reports said at least one student was seriously injured when they were attacked with sharp objects. The students were demanding action against those who had assaulted the student.
The students also clashed with police who came to defuse the situation. Police fired live ammunition and tear gas into the agitated group of students to bring the situation under control. At least two students are reported to have received bullet wounds and are reported to be in a serious condition.
Police said the students had vandalized and smashed 13 buses, three trucks and three police vans during the clashes. They also said two policemen were injured.
Meanwhile, students' unions have accused the police of using excessive force while dealing with the situation and that they acted only against students and not bus workers. They have charged that the police acted unfairly. (rk)
I also read in a paper that people in Biratnagar are patroling their area by themselves because of repeated looting and other "santi surakshya" problem. The effectiveness of police force is nonexistent. Police usually, as in hindi cinema, arrive after the incident. Here in the above mentioned case, police were on time to fire bullets on students who were probably unarmed to show the strength of police force the very strength which has terrorized the maoists! isn't it?
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 20-Dec-00 02:24 PM
Hi Sparsha:
I think police are deviod of good education, education about
their responsibility and the expectation that society has from
them.The police force has been reduced to the kind of 'militia'
force by now,where police has nexus with local businessmen (not
all) or mafia:the reason why police always reach crime scene late
and other places JIT.(Just in time)
Police force never had the strength. The strength based on
physical or martial overpower is not considered strength.I had
read a comment in Kantipur some years ago,the writer said he was
in Sajha Bus,where there are some young men talking obscenity,
insulting women riders and not paying the fare.He later found that
those young men were just returning Assistant Sub Inspectors from
Bharatpur Police Training Camp.
And,further, the police in Biratnagar is pretty much notorious
these days.News say that the police chief there, Mr Kedar Timsina,
is engaged in smuggling himself.I think a few of journalists
who wrote about his involvement in smuggling were caught and
manhandled in custody.
It is pretty much like that these days,Sparsha.Not without any
reason police kidnaps just released defendants outside of the
supreme court, or argue with supreme court justice about not
releasing a defendant demanded by the supreme court to be
'immediately released'.
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| sparsha |
Posted
on 20-Dec-00 03:31 PM
>Hi Sparsha:
>
> I think police are deviod of good
>education, education about
>their responsibility and the expectation
>that society has from
>them.
Now, whose responsibility is that?
The police force has been reduced to
>the kind of 'militia'
>force by now,where police has nexus with
>local businessmen (not
>all) or mafia:the reason why police always
>reach crime scene late
>and other places JIT.(Just in time)
what I think is, if opponent is easy to tackle, police are on time. if not they come late to avoid clash, if they come at all.
> Police force never had the strength. The
>strength based on
>physical or martial overpower is not
>considered strength.
So, what is strength then in your opinion? and how is it derived if it can be?
I had
>read a comment in Kantipur some years ago,
>the writer said he was
>in Sajha Bus,where there are some young men
>talking obscenity,
>insulting women riders and not paying the
>fare.He later found that
>those young men were just returning
>Assistant Sub Inspectors from
>Bharatpur Police Training Camp.
I have no doubt on the comment above. But who is responsible?
> And,further, the police in Biratnagar is
>pretty much notorious
>these days.News say that the police chief
>there, Mr Kedar Timsina,
>is engaged in smuggling himself.I think a
>few of journalists
>who wrote about his involvement in smuggling
>were caught and
>manhandled in custody.
May be you are right.
It is pretty much like that these days,
>Sparsha.Not without any
>reason police kidnaps just released
>defendants outside of the
>supreme court, or argue with supreme court
>justice about not
>releasing a defendant demanded by the
>supreme court to be
>'immediately released'.
Who is to blame, Biswo?
PM, Home/Defence minister proudly say in their speeches that the santi surakshya is not good. it needs to be improved. Now, who is supposed to do that?
the general public is so busy maintaining their daily life somehow, they have no time to think. I remember a story told to us by a teacher in nepal a jug (12 years) ago...it was like this..
Devi Prasad (formor Haryana CM, who also became DPM of India later) while gaving a speech during an election campaign(his of course)mentioned "the" reason why the poeple (mostly farmers) should vote him. he said the fasal were bad this year because people (previous winner(s))took power(electricity) out of water and that powerless water irrigation caused all the bad fasal. he went furthur and said if you elect me to the post I will provide you the powerful water (no electricity taken)for irrigartion and you will see the difference. the gathering clapped from their heart.
well, I did not hear that "bhasan" so have no clue about the authenticity. but i guess that is not just a joke. As I mentioned above when PM, Home/Defence ministers say santi surakshya is bad people clap. for what?
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 21-Dec-00 12:02 AM
Hi Sparsha:
>>Now, whose responsibility is that?
>>I have no doubt on the comment above. But who is responsible?
>>Who is to blame, Biswo?
I think the responsibility is primarily of top brass inside the
police organization.I never had chance to look into the
functioning of police acadamies,but they may not be enforcing the
concept of rule of law,and respect for human right.When training
the police force,it should be made clear that police would
implement zero tolerance(or semi zero tolerance) towards the
perpetrators inside the organizations.What do you feel?
And,I feel the way we think about human right in Nepal is little
bit strange.We think we are doing this to show the world,to show
the West.But ,hey,it is not that, it is a matter of civility,
a display of civility towards fellow Nepalese is our own matter.
it is we who live in our society.
>>PM, Home/Defence minister proudly say in their speeches that the santi surakshya is not good. it
needs to be improved. Now, who is supposed to do that?
I think it is really crazy that they say such a thing openly
and proudly.That clearly demonstrates that the country is not
functioning.In democracy,if the government is not doing well,
the chance should go to the opponent.I think local level election
is coming.But based on the progovernment posture of Nepalese
people,it is very difficult to say that the oppositions will
gain substantially.
>> Devi Prasad (formor Haryana CM, who also became DPM of India later) while gaving a speech during an
election campaign(his of course)mentioned "the" reason why the poeple (mostly farmers) should vote
him...............
Devi Prasad? I think you are talking about the Jaat leader Devi
Lal who became DPM when Chandra Sekhar was PM of India.By the
way,his speech (that you wrote down) was really funny.
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| mabi |
Posted
on 25-Dec-00 05:29 PM
>Hi Sparsha:
>
> I think police are deviod of good
>education, education about
>their responsibility and the expectation
>that society has from
>them.The police force has been reduced to
>the kind of 'militia'
>force by now,where police has nexus with
>local businessmen (not
>all) or mafia:the reason why police always
>reach crime scene late
>and other places JIT.(Just in time)
>
> Police force never had the strength. The
>strength based on
>physical or martial overpower is not
>considered strength.I had
>read a comment in Kantipur some years ago,
>the writer said he was
>in Sajha Bus,where there are some young men
>talking obscenity,
>insulting women riders and not paying the
>fare.He later found that
>those young men were just returning
>Assistant Sub Inspectors from
>Bharatpur Police Training Camp.
>
> And,further, the police in Biratnagar is
>pretty much notorious
>these days.News say that the police chief
>there, Mr Kedar Timsina,
>is engaged in smuggling himself.I think a
>few of journalists
>who wrote about his involvement in smuggling
>were caught and
>manhandled in custody.
>
> It is pretty much like that these days,
>Sparsha.Not without any
>reason police kidnaps just released
>defendants outside of the
>supreme court, or argue with supreme court
>justice about not
>releasing a defendant demanded by the
>supreme court to be
>'immediately released'.
I just watched a Hindi Movie call "Ghaat" with Tabbu, Manoj Balraj, OmPuri and etc. A sterio typed story of revenge.
Om Puri interestingly defined good and bad police.
The good Police:
P=
O= Obedience
L= Loyality
I= Intelligence
C= Courage
E= Efficincy
The Bad Police:
P= Power
O= Order
L= Lies
I= Inefficiency
C= Corruption
E= Encounter
Mabi
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| Biswo |
Posted
on 25-Dec-00 08:09 PM
Hi Mabi:
Just a question:
I am not a great Hindi movie fan, but I am surprised to find
that whenever I bring some movies home to watch with Indian
friends,I can't see faces clearly because none of the Hindi movies
I have ever brought are formatted to fit in TV.It is really
very painful for eyes,(getting kind of painful vergance lock) and
when I complained one day, the shopkeeper said because the
cassettes were all bootleg,it's going to be like that.
Is it same story out there in Boston too? I just guessed may be
big city like Boston at least have a store that sells genuine
cassettes.
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| mabi |
Posted
on 25-Dec-00 09:25 PM
>I just watched a Hindi Movie call "Ghaat"
>with Tabbu, Manoj Balraj, OmPuri and etc. A
>sterio typed story of revenge.
>Om Puri interestingly defined good and bad
>police.
>The good Police:
>P=
>O= Obedience
>L= Loyality
>I= Intelligence
>C= Courage
>E= Efficincy
Forgot to write that P = was for politeness.
Mabi
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