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| Chakra |
Posted
on 10-Feb-02 05:03 PM
Survey.
A. Do you beleive in divine being residing within you?
a. He is within me I don't need to search.
or
b. He is within me and I need discipline or
or way to find him.
B. Do you beleive in divine being residing outside of us?
C. I am too young to think about stuff like that.
D. I don't care.
-Chakrapath.com
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| fren |
Posted
on 10-Feb-02 06:07 PM
I thinit's "b" for me.
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| Brown |
Posted
on 11-Feb-02 04:12 PM
It is also "b" for me.
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| confused |
Posted
on 11-Feb-02 04:24 PM
Is this supposed to be a pol ?
or is this chotkari ma bayan gara ?
Need more clarification, can I buy a vowel for the answer >?
ala ho ekbaar. regardless of place and time
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| confused |
Posted
on 11-Feb-02 04:38 PM
Is this supposed to be a pol ?
or is this chotkari ma bayan gara ?
Need more clarification, can I buy a vowel for the answer >?
ala ho ekbaar. regardless of place and time
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 11-Feb-02 04:44 PM
fren and Brown,
If you feel need to search it, I seriously doubt if you really believe in the divine being. If you believe it is there, why would you need to search ?
So actually you are not believing yet, you are rather hoping it might be there, you are hoping you might find it.
So, all Believers ! At the end of the day, your belief is basically a short-circuit of logical thinking.
Nevertheless, good luck in your search.
Nepe
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| Chakra |
Posted
on 11-Feb-02 09:16 PM
Confused,
It is a survey of public opinion, you can call it a poll.
Cyberspace is free to express your opinion, but Nepe you are out of line and perhaps it may not mean a thing until I add another statement.
E. I do not beleive in God.
And perhaps it may not mean anything, unless you apply yourself to what is being asked in this survey.
Nepe wrote "If you feel need to search it, I seriously doubt if you really believe in the divine being. If you believe it is there, why would you need to search ?"
Nepe let me give you an example. If a young man beleives in knowledge, he must search for a teacher or school and put himself through some sort of discipline before he acquires it. Another example, everyone has a muscle in his or her body, why do he or she has to excercise to develop them. If you beleive in knowledge and not searching for it you are fooling yourself.
Another example, "all men are created equal" , why do some men or women Greater than the rest?
Nepe wrote "So actually you are not believing yet, you are rather hoping it might be there, you are hoping you might find it"
Let me give you another example; a young man beleives that there is knowledge because he has seen knowledgeable men. He beleives in knowledge, he has not acquired it yet, so he searching for it and studying with some discipline, whether science, art, business, religion etc.
"All innate ideas exists. God is an innate idea that exist in anybody from any culture, society and a nation, therefore God exists within us" - Rene Decartes.
This is for Fren and Brown: By using pure innate intuition God exist within us and that's how I figure you know about him.
I am not going to rule out everyone, who has other views. That's why I layed out this easy time saving survey above.
It is easy to tell someone something, but it is hard to apply yourself to it.
Please feel free to express what category do you fall into. Nepe you too.
Cheers.
From http://www.chakrapath.com -
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 12-Feb-02 10:58 AM
Chakra wrote-
>Cyberspace is free to express your opinion, but Nepe
>you are out of line and perhaps it may not mean a thing
>until I add another statement.
>E. I do not beleive in God.
>And perhaps it may not mean anything, unless you
>apply yourself to what is being asked in this survey.
I might be out of YOUR line, but I am not out of line. Thanks for adding that optional statement, but if you really want to get me, you will have to give me more. When it comes to bait of faith, I am damn difficult to be fished out.
For instance, I believe that man created God, not that God created man. I will rather put it this way, man created God and forced him to create man.
>>Nepe wrote "If you feel need to search it, I seriously
>>doubt if you really believe in the divine being. If you
>>believe it is there, why would you need to search ?"
>Nepe let me give you an example. If a young man
>beleives in knowledge, he must search for a teacher
>or school and put himself through some sort of
>discipline before he acquires it. Another example,
>everyone has a muscle in his or her body, why do
>he or she has to excercise to develop them. If you
>beleive in knowledge and not searching for it you
>are fooling yourself.
Obviously you are refusing to get my point. God is not a knowledge, He is a presence. God in the form of a knowledge is denial of what God stands for. Probably you are not going to get this. Oh God, save me from your followers (Biswo’s poignant quote)
>Another example, "all men are created equal" ,
>why do some men or women Greater than the
>rest?
Where did you get this crap from ? (not that I don’t know who said this, but just questioning the context). Men are not created equal. Compare the weight, look, fingerprint and DNA sequence of new born children. All are different to each other. Only clones would be equal. But God does not do cloning. Only man has started to do it. (I don’t know why ethicists call human cloning as playing God when the truth is that God has never done that ? – Nepe)
>"All innate ideas exists. God is an innate idea
>that exist in anybody from any culture, society
>and a nation, therefore God exists within us" –
>Rene Decartes.
Who is this Decartes ? Nobody is going to get a ‘free pass’ in sajha.com. We have just launched a Jihad against ‘free pass’ system in Literature and have apparently own a victorious treaty (Thanks to Ashu). There is no reason why this treaty should not extend to Religion or any –gion, -ism, -sophy and –logy for that matter.
All right, now to someone’s idea of God as an innate idea existing in everyone. Here again Decartes sees God as an idea, not as an objective entity.
>This is for Fren and Brown: By using pure innate
>intuition God exist within us and that's how I figure
>you know about him.
Come on Chakra, don’t stretch Decartes that far. He did not say God himself exists within us. He said the idea of God exists within us. The idea of God and the God himself are not the same thing. That’s what I was earlier referring to as a ‘short-circuit of logical thinking’.
>It is easy to tell someone something, but it is
>hard to apply yourself to it.
In the same spirit: It is easy to apply yourself to IT, but it is hard not to wonder if it was right or wrong.
>Please feel free to express what category do you fall into. Nepe you too.
Nepe
(who has not figured out his category yet)
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| Chakra |
Posted
on 12-Feb-02 09:27 PM
Nepe, you don't know who is Decartes? and term "All men are created equal"?
"All men are created equal" -Thomas Jefferson, American constitute. "All men are created equal" Not in terms of size but in terms of equality; common people, king, nobel class etc.
Decartes is a well known Philosopher.
You are taking my survery literally and I don't know where you come up with cloning etc. Surely, I could disect and clean your writing, but I do not want to waste my time for something aimless. However, I enjoyed your reply and it was positive for my project.
Feel free to identify, which category you fall in.
Cheers
Chakra
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