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| OpinionLeader |
Posted
on 11-Feb-02 08:08 PM
What are the Ethics that we need to develop to make our Nepali
society a Civilized Society of Nepalis. Please add your comments.
For me, the recently I detected some bad behaviors of Nepali
who use un-ethical behavior as instrument of their status symbols:
1. In public places: like in Bus, Meeting, in theatures, they use
their mobile telephone and start talking loud, without due
consideration of other peoples. For them, having mobile
phone is status symbol. But, when I look it from Japanese
society's ethics, it is the most un-ethical behavior in Japan.
Its in fact, not a sign of members of civilized society, in any
case.
2. Drunken Driving. In Nepal, govt. officers drive their motorbike
after they drink alcohol exceeding the limit. One 2nd class officer
was telling that the traffic police should excuse govt. officers
for drunken driving, because they are govt. officers and they
don't money for taxi ride. (Poor fellow).
3. By passing the que: We so called educated peoples try to bypass
the que whenever its possible, but, try to make hue and cry when
we get failed to do so. When I was in Pokhara Airport about 2 years
back and tryin to check after waiting there for half an hour,
then, one hindi speaking biz. looking person came and checked in
before me and others. Then, came another westerner, he was
seating on the bench nearby. I asked him to line up in the que,
he said he was already in que, as his representative i.e. bag
was on que. The westerner replied to my question :" I am
not adopted to Nepalese culture" and he added "whether
I am also a Nepali". I had NO WORDs for his accusations. I feel
ashamed that he stamped "Bypassing que is a Nepali culture".
Your XP
OpinionLeader
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| jira |
Posted
on 12-Feb-02 07:58 AM
some more to add on to this behavior
1 - Men are not excluded but nepali women are prone to show off especially in the case of wearing jewelleries. The heavier it weighs, the better will it be. This typical behavior of nepali women is sporadic even in US . I mean the nepali women living in US. Thank god!! nepali girls/women who are in US school are lees/no vulnerable to this. Have you guys noticed this?
2 - We enjoy talking politics despite sound knowledge on current topics. I found 90% like to engage their time choosing their ministers from here because it looks witty. This typical behavior mostly applies to those who are not in school.
3 - About 35% of nepali indirectly try to reveal how rich they are back home. 90% of this 35 are women. 80% out of the rest 10% men are above age 40.
4 - about 95% ( of what?) of modern houses can be seen in nepali's website under this topic..My family/When i went to vaccation/ My garnny in her room/ BA -AMA in their bedroom...interesting thing to ponder......................!!!
5 - about 80 percent nepali living in US rely on masu-bhat at night. Nothing to comment...just a fact
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| A Matter of Convenience |
Posted
on 12-Feb-02 08:16 AM
>3 - About 35% of nepali indirectly try to
>reveal how rich they are back home. 90% of
>this 35 are women. 80% out of the rest 10%
>men are above age 40.
Very convenient, then, to keep the remainder (ie; men below age 40) to a tiny "20% of 10%" category!
Perhaps you belong to it. :-)
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| joie de vivre |
Posted
on 12-Feb-02 08:37 AM
what does what 'jira' have to say have to do with 'ethics'??
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| NK |
Posted
on 12-Feb-02 09:41 AM
If you look at it really really closely, then nothing JDV. I think jira's posting belongs to GP's pakhey nepali. But, hey this is is free for all, who says the consecutive postings have to be relevant to the original posting of that thread. Let's just throw our opinions, shall we? Let's not try to be, as Wise Biswo puts it, "... puritan, Talibanistic demand" of some ideal/idea that you may have had about what is relevant and what is not; what is to your liking and what is not......... somebody, stop me before I burst into some rebellious slogan........
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| mugget |
Posted
on 12-Feb-02 12:07 PM
I am married to a Nepali man and live here in the USA. Once we went to a conference at the Fulbari resort. My husband is not from a rich family and was quite impressed with the hotel, as was I, to be honest. Unfortunately, we were not so impressed with the hoity-toity Nepalese staying there. We were sitting in a quiet garden area. A Nepali man came in and continued to talk, almost shouting, into his cellphone for a long time. Finally, I gently went up to him and asked if he could be a bit quieter. He was all the time looking at us, like, "oh, look at me, see, I'm a big honcho with my cell phone". Well, when he got off the phone, he had the gall to say to my husband, "What, you think you are so important person since you have a foreign wife?" (he said this in Nepali). It was so hurtful and mean. This is not the first time my husband has been treated this way. Having spent years living in Nepal, I have found some of the richest people there to be some of the rudest and snobbiest. I prefer the village boys like my husband (who, by the way, is working on his doctorate here now and has a good job-and he is still the polite village boy he always was).
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| anon |
Posted
on 12-Feb-02 12:23 PM
Mugget, You are SO correct. I have observed this sort of behavior when I am with my own companion. Put some extra rupees in a Nepalis pocket and suddenly you are not considered worthy by them. This is unfortunate. In the American society, a person with money seldom behaves this way. When will some Nepalis learn to be civil?
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| herda herdai |
Posted
on 12-Feb-02 12:31 PM
"Unfortunately, we were not so impressed with the hoity-toity Nepalese staying there. "
That is something Nepalese are proud to display of.
"Well, when he got off the phone, he had the gall to say to my husband, "What, you think you are so important person since you have a foreign wife?" (he said this in Nepali). It was so hurtful and mean. "
He must be jealous to your husband.
"I have found some of the richest people there to be some of the rudest and snobbiest. "
That's the way the Nepalese are. That call it "jasko shakti usko bhakti" i.e. mighty has the power.
I feel sorry for you. Nepalese still have long way to go to be civilized.
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| nobody |
Posted
on 12-Feb-02 01:50 PM
source of jira's stats?
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 12-Feb-02 02:43 PM
Source of jira's stats ?
It is from the book of Birbal. Akbar once announced a reward for those who can tell the exact numbers of leaves on a tree nearby. Nobody could tell. But Birabal said, " I know, it is exactly two lakh fifty-three thousand seven hundred and twelve." The rest is history, so to say.
Nepe
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| koko |
Posted
on 12-Feb-02 04:19 PM
Kukur ko puchar... jaattti sojhai pani bango ko bangai
Its obvious from the different leaders and political parties. Regardless of who comes to power, they are all dirty. It almost makes me feel like its a hopeless case. Every senior citizen in Nepal tells me not to come back. It seems thats the general consensus in Nepal.
All that democracy, free press, anticorruption people died for in 1990 is down the drain. We are even in a worse situation than before. I seriously feel that it will only be the next generation that will be able bring about the change. The old farts are still running the country sitting on their ass sipping Tea doing nothing. With all crap going on about the commies is not helping the country either.
The thing that puzzles me the most is that world that proven that Communism does not work. Look at Russia, China, or N Korea. Why are these idiots trying to bring in a system known to have failed everywhere else. If they really take power we are going to be isolated like like N Korea is now. All Support(financial, educational, political) from foreign countries will go down the drain. Is this what they want ? With Globalization we will be isolated in a corner with no communication with the outside world.
Education they is the key to everything. But we have no provisions for higher education. Just look at the amount of money Nepali people are investing in education in other countries. Only if we had our edu. system all that much needed foreign currency would have floated at the homeland. we have plenty of elementry, primary, and high schools. But very few colleges and universities. Thats another field we need to work on.
Economy of Nepal is in total shambles. Thanks to political unstability our policies change from day to day like the weather. How do you do business if today policy is not good tomorrow.
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| anepalikt1 |
Posted
on 12-Feb-02 07:44 PM
I think "ethics" is too big a word for lot of what the original poster and others here who have had to say. Lot of what you all describe tp me sounds like plain and simple rude and unseemly behavious.
Yes, I agree that this is problamatic when you consider how it mixes with the well established but deeply troubling biases of our culture. Nepal is a place where wealth, status, caste, regional affiinity, language, position are what get you noticed, what enable you to thrive or at least not be totally ground up in the mass poverty, annonimity and complete subjugation to all those above you. The rudeness, inconsiderate behaviour, the desire to show off this or that (cell phone, wealth, vacations etc. etc.) is also a sign simply of people playing by rules they ned to to survice. And they are significant and maybe (maybe) even worthy of being called the "ethics necessary for a civilized society," because it speaks to a larger problem of our culture
The real deepseated "evils" of our society, which in my opinion are the issues worthy of mention and in need of attention, such as the whole issue of inequality between men and women as evident in our laws and policiies, the various other issues such as caste, ethnicity and region which regularly translate into whether you are empowered or disenfranchised, the issue of rampant corruption, or the massive diaspora of youth to other countries. Who cares if some ass is rude to you at the airport(besides the fact that the poster was totally perpetuating a steroetype of the unlikable southerner in his little anecdote) ? Who cares! What were you doig? Why did you not stop the jerk and complain to the loafers behind the desk?!! What was your complicity in this situation? Your reaction to the situation would not have been more than thinking, "that dhoti has bribed the deskhelp" or maybe it is more like, "i won't say anythign to the deskhelp because if I cause a hulla, they will treat me crappily and I might get delayed or my ticket cancelled."
You became conscious when the bideshi made you feel all self righetos about how you are different because you were not doing the tuypical "Nepali" thing (didn't you say the guy was indian?hmmm) of cutting in line, but rather being civil in askind about him! Well, maybe you were askign him in the first place simply to proove to yourself and that bideshi (foreigner, in your word, (white, I read)) who being white and foren woudl be less uncivil!
Anyhow, I heard a lot of poo pooing and saw people makign sweeping generalization about the entire culture in their poste! Yes, the way things are done in Nepal often really sucks! It is hard to be uncorrupt and sometime just plan stupid! After waiting 2months to get my marriage registered at the jilla karyalaya because we did not grease any palms or use afno manche ko source force, I know that some battles are not worth the fight. But sometimes, in some cases if you do not abide by the rules of the system, you get crushed. Try being that journalist who shot at hope because he questioned the way things were. I am not saying he should not have done what he did, but what I am sayign is that going outside the circle has consequences that are often painful and impossible to survie.
But before goign around pointing fingers at everyone else, think about what your role is in i. In perpetuating a way of doing things that is inherently undesirable.
The system is based on the whole idea of scarcity. The resources to go aroudn are short, so to take care of you and yours you have to push shove shout and beat down the competetitors.
Do you think about what you do when you are in Nepal? What you don't (question the person cutting in line, asking the deskhelp to stop that, being honest that you are also part of it).
Do you not play the game as set up here in the states??be honest now. I do. The game is just nastier in Nepal. If you are born without, you suffer, so you try as hard as you can to show how you got it! Because who don't got it got it real
tough, folks. That's that.
Don't just point fingers and then wallow in self-hate, be willing to be without if you want to change stuff!
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| Nepe |
Posted
on 13-Feb-02 11:00 AM
I applaud everything Anepalikt1 has to say. This is one of those rare honest, bold and eye-opening postings I keep looking for in this forum.
Sure we all play by the rules of survival. There is nothing inherently wrong with it. The trick is to understand that the rules of survival can be bettered, that they can be optimized so as to minimize the conflict of individual or class interests.
When we talk about our role in solving an identified problem, you have to, often, though not always, make a choice between whether you are a part of the problem or a part of the solution. It is not just an ethical or moral issue, it is a resource management issue too. Then comes identifying and rooting out what breeds the problem, not just trimming offshoots.
Anepalikt1 has exposed these tough questions we usually overlook for our individual convenience.
It’s time we start doing our medical check up.
Nepe
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