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| Rock |
Posted
on 14-Feb-02 08:31 AM
A detailed book tracing the origin of Kunwar-Rana families in Nepal has been recently published by Panchayan Publication Limited. After the Shah families, Kunwar-Rana are the most high profile families in the country with many from the family assuming high positions especially during their 104-year-long oligarchy rule. The present Rana and Kunwar are said to be off-shoots of same ancestor. The book traces Fakat Singh of Chittaurgarh, India who came to western Nepal during the 13th century as the common ancestor of Kunwar-Rana. Jung Bahadur Kunwar was the first to get the honorary title of Rana. The book describes not only the historic Rana personalities but also mentions those who have made outstanding contributions to different sectors of the society. Persons from Rana family have made a number of records not only during their absolute rule but also after the establishment of democracy in 1950. Mohan Shumsher Rana became the first Prime Minister of the democratic Nepal. Likewise, Bharat Shumsher Rana became the first main opposition leader, Himalaya Shumsher the first governor of Nepal Rastra Bank, Subarna Shumsher the first Deputy Prime Minister and Vice Chancellor of Tribhuwan University and so on. With the objective of documenting their family tree, they recently published the book titled "Kunwar Ranajiharuko Brihat Banshawali" (the comprehensive family tree of Kunwar Rana) at Babar Mahal Revisited. According to the publishers, the book, which also includes description of noted Rana personalities, is not history but could be useful to any scholar or students interested in history of Nepal.
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| Pidit |
Posted
on 14-Feb-02 09:19 PM
Who cares. They are the one who destroyed Nepal.
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| antijaatist |
Posted
on 15-Feb-02 11:46 AM
ya who cares about .. f.u.c.k off u ranas shahs kanwars country eaters..
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| jungrana |
Posted
on 15-Feb-02 07:52 PM
Antijaatist watch your language otherwise i'll getch u. ass.hole.
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| diva Shah |
Posted
on 16-Feb-02 09:24 PM
I haven't dont anything bad to you. Its wrong to generalize people.
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| YoYo |
Posted
on 16-Feb-02 10:35 PM
Yes Diva Shahji, it is wrong to generalize people. You said you have not done anything bad. Therefore it is not good that you get the blame for something bad done by others. That's what happens when you generalize certain group/class/cast/ etc. But by the same logic, it is also wrong to generalize Shah/Rana as immune to criticism just because you Diva Shah or any other Shah/Rana have not done anything bad. If you had applied the standard you are demanding to the case you are defending you would not be doing the later. Gotcha !
YoYo
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| magar |
Posted
on 16-Feb-02 11:07 PM
That's total crap yo. Ranas were originally Magars. Tell me, why do so many Ranas look like magars, and not like bauns, if you are related to Indian Rajputs???? Try tracing your magar ancestry, rather than your "Indian" ancestry, which probably doesn't even exist.
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| harikhatri |
Posted
on 17-Feb-02 01:19 AM
what r u talking about we got three magar servants at home.
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| harikhatri |
Posted
on 17-Feb-02 01:22 AM
Of course u Indian blood, ranas and kunwars who give u dammn...go to hell
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| magar |
Posted
on 17-Feb-02 08:59 AM
Khatris are half magars and half bauns. Keep a baun servant, u idiot.
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| hari khatri |
Posted
on 17-Feb-02 09:52 AM
sorry, I did say wrong.
I have no servants at home, I wrote this in my insane mentality. I am going crazy these days. Sorry guys, I ahve to take some medication. I should not have said such nasty statements.
My apology
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| To YO YO |
Posted
on 17-Feb-02 06:11 PM
With all due respect to your "common sense" idea, i believe you should read the comments again on ranas and shahs AGAIN. The disrespectful fool Antijaatist said that rana's and shah's were country eaters. NOTICE THE S; that in the english language means that the comment goes out to ALL Ranas and Shahs. Therefore Miss Diva Shah's reply is very legitimate and logical. Perhaps you should consider the idea of thinking before speaking... especially when it comes to discriminating people.
To all those who discriminate against the Ranas: i dont say that the ranas were right and just in whatever they did. But you hypocrites need to acknowledge all the good that they did too! Bi t ch about them all you want in message boards on the net but the minute you get a chance to talk to a royalty or meet some hotshot rana figure you'l be out there like dogs leaping for a tossed bone.
Blame the state of the country on the Ranas if you want... but try and think what you would do 60 years ago with the same status. So please, save the bul lsh it and see if you can do better.
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| YoYo |
Posted
on 17-Feb-02 10:07 PM
>Bi t ch about them all you want in message boards on the net
>but the minute you get a chance to talk to a royalty or meet
>some hotshot rana figure you'l be out there like dogs leaping
>for a tossed bone.
Wow ! Great defense !
YoYo
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| jungrana |
Posted
on 18-Feb-02 04:53 AM
magar bro, go and look yourself in a mirror. there is no resemblance or ties between magar ranas and real Ranas, need proof then come and see me.
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| magar |
Posted
on 18-Feb-02 09:10 AM
Jung Rana ji, as we all know, the Royal family marries other Thakuris, usually Ranas and Kunwars. Tell me, why does our Royal family look like Magar? Prince Dipendra clearly looked Magar. Sorry, but it's true.
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| Diabolic |
Posted
on 18-Feb-02 09:36 AM
The Shah family tree actually points to the muslim rulers of Iran/Persia.
Are Ranas and Kunwars really Thakuris? Did they get upgraded due to JBR or are they Thakuri's for real?
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| ? |
Posted
on 18-Feb-02 09:55 AM
Deependra definitely looked like magar and so did king birendra and look at late Aishorwya. Ranas pretended they were different than what they actually were and started to marry the noble house from india. Thus some of them look like non-magars.
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| josh11 |
Posted
on 18-Feb-02 11:25 AM
it is well documented that both the Shahs and Rana (kunwar) came from the desert kingdoms that make up Rajasthan today. It was between 8 AD and 11 AD, when many Buddhists were fleeing India, that a group of Hindu Rajput warriors also left the country, and founded the principality of Gurkhas just outside the Kathmandu Valley. This band of Rajputs, who were descendants of the Mewar dynasty.
Rana(kunwar)s are descendent of mewar rajput,they have long history.
The Rajputs are a brave and a chivalrous race who were feudal kings in ancient India before the Mughals came. They were the first to resist the Mughal invaders and many wars were fought between the Rajputs and the Mughals. Though the Mughals captured the north of India they were unsuccessful in capturing central India where they faced tough opposition from the Rajput kings there.
Akbar wanted to control the whole of India and used a mix of tolerance, generosity, and force to over come the Rajput kings. One of the most gallant Rajput kings was Rana Pratap who did not want to give up his kingdom to the Mughals.
Rana Pratap was the Grandson of Raja Udai Singh (Udaipur is named after him), the king of Chittod.
Rana Pratap led the Rajputs against the army of Akbar to preserve the independence of Mewar. Rana Pratap not only had to face the mighty Mughals but also had to fight against other Rajput kings(Raja Todar Mal and Raja Man Singh ) who aligned with the Mughals.
In the Battle of Haldighati(1576) fought between Maharana Pratap and the Mughals; the Rajputs were not able to overcome the combined strength of the Mughals and the renegade Rajput princes who had played the role of traitors. Maharana Pratap was badly hurt in the battle and was saved by his wise horse Chetak, who took him in an unconscious state away from the battle scene.
Rana Pratap died in 1597 when his son Amar Singh took over the kingdom.
Although Maharana Pratap was not able to thwart the Muslims successfully, the saga of Rajput resistance to Muslim rule continued till the 17th century when the baton of the struggle for Indian Independence from Mughals was taken up by the upcoming power of the Marathas, who brought about an end to Muslim domination of India.
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| to Yo Yo |
Posted
on 18-Feb-02 05:18 PM
Glad you agree YoYo.. what happened, you leaping too? :)
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| rana-kuwar |
Posted
on 18-Feb-02 06:06 PM
joshi11 sounded like had don't big research on rana partap and clan study too. janga bahadur kuwar took control of Nepal. He heard about rana partap and become rana. don't if moist win the war puspa dahal will be some thing puspa setung. and after 100 yrs later, setung will start writing setung-dahal family tree and another joshi11 will talk about mao-setung and say maosetung was from han clan who fought emperial army and destroy it. My a s s rana-kuwar family tree. Who are they?? they are just nepali, if they are so proud of being rajput go to india and claim their fore-father's land, request indian government. when country is at civil was some freaks like to talks about where they came from.. I don't know may be they are inviting India to capture Nepal by instigating is maoist thing and want to be defacto rule again.. other wise stop bul s h i t about you being from india. Just say rana-kuwar as just another Nepali Last name.
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| rana-kunwar1 |
Posted
on 18-Feb-02 07:25 PM
Josh11 is just trying to show that Rana and magar has different ancestor.
i think guys are wasting time on nonsense topics. I don't think rana-kunwars are proud of their ancestor either. i am rana-kunwar but i am not prod of my ancestor and same time i don't think i feel anything more than any other last name either.
hope it is clear..
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| ? |
Posted
on 18-Feb-02 07:31 PM
Why do these ranas/shahs try to hide that they are in fact are magars. what is wrong being a magar? hypocrites. if you ask me they were not satisfied looting the country for 104 years, they had to rewrite the history legitimizing their ancestroy. It does not say much about magars as a clan, but says a lot about so call "rana-kunwar." How pathetic. As they say in hindi, " chullu mey pani bhar ke mar."
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| rana-kunwar1 |
Posted
on 18-Feb-02 07:42 PM
There is nothing wrong with being magar u stupid ? but it does not mean u have to accept false theory. Do u have any proof that they have same ancestor? Some of rana and shah r look like magar coz stupid ranas had laetai and baetai magarni and gurung ni Mrs. and everybody knows that...that's why some of them look like magar.
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| R.B. Rana |
Posted
on 18-Feb-02 07:42 PM
Hey, Ranas don't really look like Magars. It's a fact...... We are long headed,long nosed, and round eyed. Also, we are taller than Magars. I guess the confusion lies in the fact that there are two different types of Ranas, one of Magar origin, and the other of Thakuri/Rajput origin. Sorry, but these two are totally different ethnic groups. And in no way do the members of the Royal family look like Magars. Some people here need to go to an optometrist.
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| joie de vivre |
Posted
on 18-Feb-02 10:30 PM
who gives a *bleep* whether one's a Rana Magar or Thakuri Rana or for that matter a Rai, Newar, Chhetri, Bahun etc? We all bleed when cut. Nepalis need to think beyond the caste system.
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| curious |
Posted
on 18-Feb-02 11:19 PM
joie de vivre, very well said and i couldn't agree with you more.
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