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| jobhunter |
Posted
on 14-Feb-02 03:02 PM
coming from Nepal, how can one effectively compete with Americans in this tough job market and secure a good job and promotion?
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| cyberpal |
Posted
on 14-Feb-02 03:28 PM
such a broad topic. here're some of my observation
blue collar jobs - marry the teamster's boss's son or daughter else either forget it or go for the 3D jobs
white collar jobs-
-finance graduate from one of the name brand school then join the white boys club in your company
-International Organizations (IMF, WB etc) see finance and if not applicable lookup the word nepotism and see if you can leverage that.
- Hi-Tech -all foreigners welcome unless theyneed to apply for H-1 (companies area little reluctant to process H-1 these days.
- medicine - prepare to go out in the boonies to work
-arts , music etc. good luck paying your rent
hmm. running out of ideas and have to get back to work
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Posted
on 14-Feb-02 03:45 PM
why not? just be good at what you do. don't have to be super duper brain machine.
have a great attitude. speak well. you should be ok. don't laugh too much with all your teeth showing. wear deodarant. wash shocks in a regular interval.
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| da man |
Posted
on 14-Feb-02 05:48 PM
You got almost 0 chance to get a good job if u major in courses like Economics, Foreign Affairs, etc. The reason is due to the fact that Americans look for people who can speak English fluently, and that too without an accent. Also, one needs to have leadership qualities. We can't really compete with whites when it comes to leadership qualities. So, your best option would be to major in C. Sc, Bio-informatics, etc. These jobs don't require you to talk much... That's why Asians, in general, have been so successful...
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| !@0 |
Posted
on 14-Feb-02 05:51 PM
I am 100% sure that you can a job for Nepali cook in restaurants or Nepali Language in school. Good Luck
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| anepalikt |
Posted
on 14-Feb-02 08:29 PM
Do any of you guys have real jobs here in the US? Where are all these ideas coming from.... I am trying to figure out why I am having a difficult time figuring out if you are kidding or serious. Lot depends on your experience and your frame of reference, so I am kind am trying not to judge what you have said as simply being stupid, inexperienced, unambitious, cowardly, and displaying a real lack of self-worth.
Someone asked, "how can we compete with Americans in leadership qualities?" WHAT!? What are you talking about? Who told you that leadership is somehow soley an american quality?! What was your experience in Nepal to make you say such an absurd thing?!
The guy with only a dash to his name, # ID: 55075365 , is the only guy who said anything that made a little sense to me.
In my experience, America is a place where people can do well if they give into nepotism and brown-nosing. But more significantly, it is a great place to do well also if you simply work hard, are not totally socially retarded, have integrity and an education (no not necessarily abrand name education), take initiative and are accountable. That is a lot more than what you can say for many other places in the world, including our own homeland!
I guess if you start from the point of not having the confidence in your own ability to do a good job, if you only want to work in the States for your own ends and don't give a crap about the community where you live, if you don't want to take the opporunity this country provides of being able to survive and even thrive without being someone elses serf, or a hanger-on, but wpould rather resort to same old learned behaviours like nepotism, chakadi, psychophancy, then maybe what you all say will be the only ways to get a job in the States and do well.
I personally feel that it is a choice you make how you want to live your life. You can choose to make a lot of money by studying in a particular field, or getting into a particular profession, or simply putting your head down and being the silent majority. Or, you can live with integrity, with dignity and stewartship. If your definition of "success" is equal to the acquisition of wealth and "getting ahead in life" means at any cost, well, whatever.
But you can also live an honest, dignified life in this country and be "competetive" in the market! Regardless of your accent, your introversion, and your human faults.
Get out and see the world instead of cowering in your own little corner. I guess desperation can put a xing in the whole thing, but otherwise, like any country this country too is made up largely of the everyday, average persons. Here the overall wealth of the country alleviates people's individual family poverty... like the basic infrastructure, the accessibiliyt to services, recreational activites, communication and basic amenities. So unless you value money more than other stuff in life, one can lead a dignified life of quality without having to be rich.
anyhow...
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| cyberpal |
Posted
on 14-Feb-02 10:39 PM
Hey anepalikt
my listing was part humor part general observation which applies more to general crowd. Of course there are exceptions to the rule. Do you think the guy who posted the original question is exception rather than the rule. I think not.
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| mahesh |
Posted
on 15-Feb-02 01:58 AM
I agreed totally with da man about the hi-tech jobs. Basically asians are successfull only in jobs that require less verbal communication and more analytical skills. Basically working inside an office with little interface with outside world in verbal communication.
Thanks
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| sunakhari |
Posted
on 15-Feb-02 08:57 AM
I second anepalikt's voice.... ATTITUDE takes you a long way and so does your SELF-CONFIDENCE.
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Posted
on 15-Feb-02 10:27 AM
>The guy with only a dash to his name, # ID: 55075365 , is the only guy who
>said anything that made a little sense to me. ......
My dear ;) anepalikt don't assume anything. This "guy" is actually a gal :)
-the dash
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| MCR |
Posted
on 15-Feb-02 10:33 AM
Luck (right place and right time)
Skill (education, ability to adapt, ability to produce etc.)
Attitude (Can do attitude, not afraid to take risks, work effieciently and diligently)
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| jobhunter |
Posted
on 15-Feb-02 11:33 AM
It would be nice hear sincere response from everyone who has made it in this country and achieved success, who has genuine interest to succeed in America.
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| Nhuchche |
Posted
on 15-Feb-02 11:36 AM
Job hunter, what is success in america in your opinion??
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| the dash |
Posted
on 15-Feb-02 11:42 AM
job hunter,
what is "made it" in this country? who drives a mercedeez, or just your average Sita who has 30-60K/year job who has 2 kids to support. Or anybody who has a 9-5 job, pays the bill and is happy? What is "success" for you? Let's start from there, shall we?
just some observation: a lot of people seem to be suffering from some sort of complex like you see in some of the postings above. I know a few people who had great jobs with big resposiblitlies, who were project managers and all that, but working here for barely 30k. What is their response? Bill tirna pugekai cha! A lot of people seem to think only you have technical degree then foreigners can succeed. Dont' pigeonhole yourself, others will follow the suit! If you start stereotyping yourself then you have only yourslef to blame.
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| cyberpal |
Posted
on 15-Feb-02 02:25 PM
Also when people give advice like 'where there is will there is a way', 'have self-confidence and self respect' take it with a grain of salt as I'm sure you weren't looking for those cliches.
Never make the mistake of confusing reality with lack of self confidence.
I was reading an article the other day which mentioned that due to slump in IT industry 11,000 people in hydrabad applied for 30 posted job ads. Your self confidence isn't going to help you much in that kind of situation.
Reality, adaptability,integrity,right time, right place my friend is going to be the key to a successful career in these fast paced globalization.
Unfortunately we don't have a whole lot of control of the latter two.
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| reader |
Posted
on 15-Feb-02 04:06 PM
What are you guys? Lawyers? Why complicate yourself? Why focus on semantics rather than common sense.....and the general idea....why make things more complicated....... just a thought.......
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| the_dude |
Posted
on 15-Feb-02 06:52 PM
Your entry-lvl salary can be really high if you have graduated from a prestigious university. $100k+ entry-lvl salary in Engineering for students who have graduated from top schools like Caltech isn't unheard of.
But these days, landing a good job is a really really difficult task. I know of Harvard grads who are still looking for jobs, and they graduated last spring.
Also, if u don't have a greencard or US citizenship, your chances of getting a good job is ~0. If u look like an Arab, better go back to Nepal.
As I said before, it's HARD for non-whites to land a high-paying job if you majored in Economics, Foreign Affairs, etc. DON'T MAJOR IN THESE FIELDS! Even with a Masters degree, u'll probably end up in the end as a company clerk.
It's VERY SIMPLE. Major in courses like C.Sc, engineering and bio-informatics. You don't need to talk much, but u have to work a lot. Also, people majoring in these courses make awesome dinero.
Think about it. Why do majority of non-whites(especially Asians) major in one of the courses I mentioned above???? Don't listen to anepalikt, she's probably a janitor.
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| the_dude |
Posted
on 15-Feb-02 06:59 PM
Also, if you're a girl, you're gonna be paid low. If you're a minority, you're gonna be paid low/ If you're a minority+girl, then you're gonna be paid even lower. Keep this in mind....
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| Durcheruwa |
Posted
on 15-Feb-02 07:30 PM
When it comes to competing with Americans, we are certainly not in the same level field. If two candidates- one American and one non american such as people like us compete for a job and both of the candidates have same level of competency then definately his chance of getting hired is more than ours. I think we all know and realize that.
Given the tough job market, yes it is very hard to find a job which commensurates with our academic qualification. I know personally couple people who were laid off. Despite having couple years experiece under their belt, they haven't got any lead yet. At the same time, I also know a Nepali student( with F-1 status , not PR or Citizen) hired two months prior to his graduation. Yes his major was Engineering.
As we all know, in Nepal all best and bright students are encouraged to pursue degree in science so majority of students naturally pursue their degree either in Engineering or Computer Science once they come here. Also the prospect of getting job after the graduation with those major is high so that becomes an added incentive.
In my view, we as a student should not feel any thing less than Americans. Yes they have edge over us linguistically, culturally and legally. But that do not mean they are better or superior. Look at us people, how much risk we are willing to take? We came 10000 miles away from home to study. We make our own money to pay for tuition. We party yet we never diagress from our goal. No one is here to guide us, yet we find someway to lead ourself. Who is better? Us or them ? It will be naive if I say getting job is not that important. Yes it is important. And many Americans are out there who have not gotton job either so let us not dwell in corrosive thinking that are inferior.
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